Things you DON'T miss about F1

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 25 Jul 2011, 12:53

Thought of this thread as a response to the "Things you miss...." thread, I suspect this one will be shorter but what things in F1 which used to happen but don't anymore , were people happy to see the back of?

I'll start the ball rolling with:

Races decided on aggregate times after a stoppage - they were really confusing to follow just watching the cars on the road. The 1994 Japanese GP is seen as some sort of classic but really it was just Hill v Schumacher running time trials. And Mansell's pass on Alesi on the last lap was meaningless.

Even safety cars are better than that!

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 25 Jul 2011, 13:26

I really do not miss single-lap qualifying. OK, so you got to see each car's lap and the small teams got some air time, but there were no tactics involved: would you go out again and use up another set of tyres or not? Would the pole sitter reduce the pole time even further or were they so confident that they wouldn't bother? etc.

f1-gast · Post by **f1-gast** » 25 Jul 2011, 13:43

Williams F1 team

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 25 Jul 2011, 13:52

f1-gast wrote:Williams F1 team

On another note: Schumacher's 5 years of F1 domination.

Post by **Londoner** » 25 Jul 2011, 13:54

Race fuel qualifying and the stupid, dangerous rule of banning tyre changes in 2005.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 25 Jul 2011, 14:24

Refuelling. Bridgestone tyres. Toyota F1 effort. Lots of big manufacturers. Try and error method to tweak qualifying. Bahrain GP. Max Mosley. Avoidable political shenanigans... Oh wait...

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 25 Jul 2011, 14:52

I will never miss the "fuel burn phase" of the current qualifying system before it was removed. Or, as Martin Brundle called it, "collecting Tiger Tokens".

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 25 Jul 2011, 17:45

James Allen.
Jonathan Legard.
Jonathan Palmer.

The 2005 tyre rule.

From 1992-1999 I didnt miss a US Grand Prix.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 25 Jul 2011, 18:19

ADx_Wales wrote:James Allen.
Jonathan Legard.
Jonathan Palmer.

From 1992-1999 I didnt miss a US Grand Prix.

I agree with the commentators.

And you ARE missing the US GP from 2008 to date?

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 25 Jul 2011, 21:31

Grooved dry tires. I always thought they made the F1 car look out of place from the race track.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 25 Jul 2011, 21:49

I don't miss the US GP full stop.

(I'm too young to remember Watkins Glen and Long Beach - I didn't like Detroit and Phoenix, and was very underwhelmed by Indianapolis too, even without the 2005 fiasco).

Porrima · Post by **Porrima** » 25 Jul 2011, 21:57

Bernie Ecclestone.

I already prematurely don't miss him from the moment he leaves the business to ascend to infernal planes.

Of course, it might be possible he will become some sort of an immortal robot and rule for ever.

Debaser · Post by **Debaser** » 25 Jul 2011, 22:57

Those side-wings that were around for a while in 1997/98 and which popped up again at Monaco in 2001. They were Ann Widdecombe ugly and I remember Alesi in Argentina 98 having his little side-wing destroyed by an airline in the pitlane. Unsafe and about as aesthetically pleasing as seeing your Nan naked. Arrows and Jordan tried to bring them back at Monaco in 2001 - they used them in practice and then the FIA thankfully banned them. Sense from the FIA at a time when it was often lacking.

I also don't miss traction control and launch control. They really did make things too easy for the driver and starts became a farce with drivers stalling and the same cars getting good and bad starts every race. That, grooved tyres and Ferrari domination made the early 2000's often fairly grim to watch.

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 26 Jul 2011, 00:12

Grooved tyres I never liked. Just made the cars look worse.

Andrea Moda · Post by **Andrea Moda** » 26 Jul 2011, 12:33

- Grooved tyres
- Traction control
- Bridge wings, elephant ears, bullwinkles and some of the other unsightly appendages that appeared on cars circa 2007-2008
- 'Option' spec Bridgestone tyres good for 300km of a Grand Prix - see Vettel, Monza 2010
- Qualifying on race fuel loads
- The USGP at Indianapolis
- Jonathan Legard
- Nelson Piquet Jr
- Flavio Briatore
- Scott Speed

madmark1974 · Post by **madmark1974** » 26 Jul 2011, 12:55

In addition to most of those already mentioned :

. Monotone interviews with Kimi Raikkonen, and, to a lesser extent, Mika Hakkinen.
. Ralf Schumacher
. Imola, Fuji, Bahrain (2010 track layout, and whole of 2011 race)
. Eddie Irvine's 'opinions'
. Catch fencing (showing my age now!)
. Bernie's pay-per-view F1 Channel on SKY

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 26 Jul 2011, 13:44

- Jenson Button leading the world championship
- Kimi Räikkönen
- 60 minute qualifying session
- A field mainly consisting of car manufacturers
- Insane budgets (yeah, they're nowhere near gone yet but I am a hopeless optimist...)

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 26 Jul 2011, 14:17

Mansell

Dan B · Post by **Dan B** » 26 Jul 2011, 16:15

- Late 2007/2008 spec cars. My GOD those things were ugly. They made the 1998 side wings look fashionable!
- Bahrain GP.
- Max Mosley
- Indianapolis GP
- Nelson Piquet Jr
- Grooved tires
- Bernie Ecclestone, once he leaves
- Bridgestone tires, especially the option tires that last the whole race distance
- Toyota F1 and BMW F1, though Mercedes is quickly filling their role

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 26 Jul 2011, 19:48

domination by a single driver and team.... umm hang on....
advert breaks which cause you to miss the only overtake all race.... or when you come back the safety car has been deployed.....

Barbazza · Post by **Barbazza** » 26 Jul 2011, 21:19

Zolder. An awful little circuit that always produced dull races usually surrounded by terrible events.

RAK · Post by **RAK** » 26 Jul 2011, 22:08

These are ones that I've been cognizant of the sport long enough to have had an opportunity to observe:

- Serious, career-ending injuries in the sport (I hope sincerely. I really do.)
- Electronic aids (most specifically, traction control and launch control)
- Schumacher's dominance between 2000 and 2004
- Grooved tyres
- High-revving V10 engines
- Any qualifying formula pre-dating this one
- Japanese manufacturer teams
- The 2005 tyre rules
- Mandatory Bridgestone tyres
- Jonathan Legard's commentary

These are ones from the past:
- Truly rejectful circuits (the likes of Nivelles-Baulers, Zolder, Phoenix, Caesar's Palace, Zeltweg and AVUS)
- Active suspension
- Williams' experiments with CVT
- Titanium skidblocks and the low-lying suspensions of the late 1980s and 1990s
- 1.5 litre naturally-aspirated engines (circa the early 1960s)
- The 1970s-era high airboxes
- Front-engined pre-war Grand Prix cars
- The high wings used in the early stages of the 1968 season

All in all, I'm pretty satisfied with Formula One as it is right now. Sure, it's not perfect, but then, what sport is?

whatisdeletrazdoing · Post by **whatisdeletrazdoing** » 27 Jul 2011, 01:50

MAGNY COURS!

The Mountain Man · Post by **The Mountain Man** » 27 Jul 2011, 12:38

Grooved tyres. Absolutely ridiculous on an F1, even more so when everybody can buy slicks for a trackday.
"Experimental" fuel mixtures. As a chemist I am glad we got rid of these things: they were really dangerous, especially when they were handed by untrained pit crew with no protective gear like we had in the '70s.

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 27 Jul 2011, 13:15

The old pitlane in Monaco. Narrow, full of annoying so-called 'celebrities' getting in the way and it was a pain in the arse to have to bring equipment and components from across the harbour.

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 27 Jul 2011, 16:04

dr-baker wrote:
ADx_Wales wrote:James Allen.
Jonathan Legard.
Jonathan Palmer.

From 1992-1999 I didnt miss a US Grand Prix.

I agree with the commentators.

And you ARE missing the US GP from 2008 to date?

I'm not "not missing" the Indy GPs as much as im "not missing" the 92-99 lack of US GPs.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 27 Jul 2011, 16:24

ADx_Wales wrote:
dr-baker wrote:
ADx_Wales wrote:James Allen.
Jonathan Legard.
Jonathan Palmer.

From 1992-1999 I didnt miss a US Grand Prix.

I agree with the commentators.

And you ARE missing the US GP from 2008 to date?

I'm not "not missing" the Indy GPs as much as im "not missing" the 92-99 lack of US GPs.

So you kinda don't care/a bit indifferent about it now?

nigellamansell · Post by **nigellamansell** » 27 Jul 2011, 20:18

Monteiro celebrating like he'd won at the '05 US GP with the crowd baying for blood in the background

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 27 Jul 2011, 20:20

nigellamansell wrote:Pantano celebrating like he'd won at the '05 US GP (you do realise nigelmansell that I'm leaving that as it is )

Barichello celebrating like he'd lost at the '02 Austrian GP

nigellamansell · Post by **nigellamansell** » 27 Jul 2011, 20:22

Hehe! And I even got the driver's name wrong...I'm reject of the evening!

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 27 Jul 2011, 20:36

ADx_Wales wrote:
nigellamansell wrote:Pantano celebrating like he'd won at the '05 US GP (you do realise nigelmansell that I'm leaving that as it is )

Barichello celebrating like he'd lost at the '02 Austrian GP

And I normally spell Rubens's surname with 2 'r's!

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 27 Jul 2011, 21:37

I wont miss you correcting me

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 27 Jul 2011, 21:46

NASCAR-style safetycar pitstops, there is no room for them in F1 let alone the pitlane.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 28 Jul 2011, 09:09

ADx_Wales wrote:I wont miss you correcting me

I wasn't correcting you - I was just saying that I'm different with an alternative spelling! 8-)

whatisdeletrazdoing · Post by **whatisdeletrazdoing** » 29 Jul 2011, 00:58

1. The stupid white line that Bridgestone put in one of the grooves to indicate a soft tyre that would disappear in a matter of laps. I don't know why I didn't like it, I just didn't.

2. Those ugly carbon fibre wheel spat/cover things that were run for a few years up until 2010, especially when they were painted to look like the wheel rims that they were covering up.

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] · Post by **Sunshine_Baby_[IT]** » 02 Feb 2012, 21:55

I don't miss:
- Max Mosley
- qualifying system used until 2005 (I don't remember how many years was used)
- 2004 season
- Jacques Villeneuve
- Juan Pablo Montoya
- Yuji Ide
- Honda's 2008 livery

tristan1117 · Post by **tristan1117** » 02 Feb 2012, 22:07

I don't miss that idiotic decision by the tyre manufacturers to put a quarter size white mark to denote soft and hard tyres. I forget which season this was, but I'm sure it actually happened.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 02 Feb 2012, 22:15

James Allen not shutting up about Lewis Hamilton.

From the end of 2006 to the start of 2007, he went from being a Jenson Button fanboy to forgetting he even existed.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 02 Feb 2012, 22:16

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] wrote:I don't miss:
- Max Mosley This
- qualifying system used until 2005 (I don't remember how many years was used) Meh, don't really remember it well
- 2004 season Was better than 2002
- Jacques Villeneuve This
- Juan Pablo Montoya I guess
- Yuji Ide Is Awesome
- Honda's 2008 livery This

My responses in bold

James Allen
Johnathan Legard
Toyota
Stupid Aerodynamic aids

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 02 Feb 2012, 22:18

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] wrote:I don't miss:
- 2004 season

2004 was the year of HWNSNBM.