What Tracks Will Get the Boot?

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 22 Apr 2011, 19:08

MaxZero wrote:Never found the races in Turkey that fun to watch, turn 8 on-board is fun the first few times and there were a few Hamilton moves when he did 3 stops over everyone else's two that i can remember but other than that (and Fisi's hattrick of turn 1 brain farts) the venue has been very un-remarkable in my view

I wouldn't miss it

Don't forget Piquet's rather unexpected pass on Lewis Hamilton 2 years ago.

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 16 May 2011, 11:42

Albert Park to keep the Aussie GP. I knew the Victorians would see sense! Eventually...

Yannick · Post by **Yannick** » 20 Jul 2011, 21:23

Did anybody realize how prophetic the header "First ones against the wall when the revolution comes" from the track board in the original posting has been in case of the Bahrain GP?

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 22 Jul 2011, 18:37

Yannick wrote:Did anybody realize how prophetic the header "First ones against the wall when the revolution comes" from the track board in the original posting has been in case of the Bahrain GP?

There's been posts about that earlier in this thread.

On topic, I would like the Australian GP to move to Calder Park. They have an oval!

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 22 Jul 2011, 19:55

Waris wrote:On topic, I would like the Australian GP to move to Calder Park. They have an oval!

On that basis, move the British GP to Rockingham and the German GP to EuroSpeedway Lausitz?

And the US GP to Martinsville?

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 22 Jul 2011, 23:43

F1 needs ovals, period

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 23 Jul 2011, 01:36

oh yes, the belgian GP at the Warneton Speedway!

Post by **Londoner** » 23 Jul 2011, 09:00

Isn't there a similar story like this every year? :roll:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-22/melb-grand-prix-cost-revealed/2805908

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 23 Jul 2011, 09:10

East Londoner wrote:Isn't there a similar story like this every year?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-22/melb-grand-prix-cost-revealed/2805908

I don't think NSW would really want the race - because the government doesn't even want the V8 Supercars racing at a street circuit in Sydney. Unless they'll go to Bathurst...

TomPryce · Post by **TomPryce** » 29 Jul 2011, 08:44

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93442
Turkey dropped? What a waste

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 29 Jul 2011, 08:54

TomPryce wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93442
Turkey dropped? What a waste

A shame really. Istanbul is a brilliant track except there's no money to go with it

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 29 Jul 2011, 10:09

I really liked Turkey. It was the best, by far, of the Tilkedromes... Shame that only the boring stuff stays in the calendar.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 29 Jul 2011, 12:30

If we go with Tilkedrome, it could be worse: they could drop China. That wouldn't be neat.

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 29 Jul 2011, 15:04

So now that it no longer hosts F1, how long before Istanbul Park goes out of business?

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 30 Jul 2011, 03:13

F1000X wrote:So now that it no longer hosts F1, how long before Istanbul Park goes out of business?

Probably a year at most unless some other events like DTM, WTCC or GT1 come in a fill the void.

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 30 Jul 2011, 03:15

Wizzie wrote:
F1000X wrote:So now that it no longer hosts F1, how long before Istanbul Park goes out of business?

Probably a year at most unless some other events like DTM, WTCC or GT1 come in a fill the void.

I think the V8s were looking at Istanbul...

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 30 Jul 2011, 05:34

If only Turkey had oil money...

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 30 Jul 2011, 12:37

But it is already a Tilkedrome in the middle east Soooo.... If they start digging and find some oil money, they would probably just build a new one somewhere else with butt loads of hairpins...

RainierSassetti · Post by **RainierSassetti** » 03 Aug 2011, 02:17

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:F1 needs ovals, period

I endorse this message. Even non-champ I'd like. There is much talent in oval racing, so why not go there F1, as it is the pinnacle of motorsport. Tarmac closed-course motorsport is not just road/street courses. Just sayin'..

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 03 Aug 2011, 03:07

Hey, maybe Jaque villenueve, Kimi Raikkonen, Piquet jr, Scott Speed, and JPM will pitch in!

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 03 Aug 2011, 09:21

nome66 wrote:Hey, maybe Jaque villenueve, Kimi Raikkonen, Piquet jr, Scott Speed, and JPM will pitch in!

Bah, nobody needs them anymore. Villeneuve is way past his prime, Raikkonen and Piquet Jr are (or at least in Nelsinho's case) racing in the Nationwide series, and not doing a fabulous job, while Speed couldn't qualify for Indy. Maybe JPM, just maybe, and that would be fantastic. But if F1 ever gets ovals, I want to see the IndyCar runners pitch in (I mean, NASCAR would be great, but fitness is a question). The issue here is costs. F1 rules nowadays makes it impossible to;

a) buy a chassis and stuff off the shelf
b) race only at certain events

These two are the major stumbling points if F1 ever wants to get the Americans (funny, IIRC, Sam Hornish is the last American Indy and IRL champion in 2006, while Jimmy Vasser was the last CART champion back in 1996).

If we do go ovals, the MIS is a must. That track needs open-wheel racing, period. I mean, chances are that the crowds will be worse than post-split levels, but who cares? Just stick the Hanford Device and we'll be on for wheel to wheel racing at every moment!

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 03 Aug 2011, 14:13

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:If we do go ovals, the MIS is a must. That track needs open-wheel racing, period. I mean, chances are that the crowds will be worse than post-split levels, but who cares? Just stick the Hanford Device and we'll be on for wheel to wheel racing at every moment!

Sounds good to me. Don't need too many ovals, but we need a few to make it worthwhile. My choices of ovals:

Martinsville
Indy
Rockingham, Northamptonshire, GB
Eurospeedway Lausitz

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 03 Aug 2011, 15:14

dr-baker wrote:
Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:If we do go ovals, the MIS is a must. That track needs open-wheel racing, period. I mean, chances are that the crowds will be worse than post-split levels, but who cares? Just stick the Hanford Device and we'll be on for wheel to wheel racing at every moment!

Sounds good to me. Don't need too many ovals, but we need a few to make it worthwhile. My choices of ovals:

Martinsville
Indy
Rockingham, Northamptonshire, GB
Eurospeedway Lausitz

Martinsville for USGP East.

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 03 Aug 2011, 18:46

300 laps at martinsville with F1 cars? No that won't happen, around 260-270 laps...

Yannick · Post by **Yannick** » 03 Aug 2011, 19:12

With Kurtkoy/Istambul Park out for 2012, will Sakhir/Bahrain return? If not, it's 2 Tilkedromes out the door already.

How likely is Bahrain 2012 without major bad press for the sponsors and F1 as a whole?

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 03 Aug 2011, 21:39

Yannick wrote:With Kurtkoy/Istambul Park out for 2012, will Sakhir/Bahrain return? If not, it's 2 Tilkedromes out the door already.

How likely is Bahrain 2012 without major bad press for the sponsors and F1 as a whole?

It's already on the calendar. It was originally supposed to be the opener, but Bernie wants it moved closer to the Abu Dhabi GP.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 03 Aug 2011, 22:12

Yannick wrote:With Kurtkoy/Istambul Park out for 2012, will Sakhir/Bahrain return? If not, it's 2 Tilkedromes out the door already.

How likely is Bahrain 2012 without major bad press for the sponsors and F1 as a whole?

Istanbul Park may be a Tilkedrome, but at least it's a good one, not all Tilkedromes are bad. Istanbul, Sepang, Shanghai and A1-Ring for a few.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 04 Aug 2011, 09:36

dr-baker wrote:
Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:If we do go ovals, the MIS is a must. That track needs open-wheel racing, period. I mean, chances are that the crowds will be worse than post-split levels, but who cares? Just stick the Hanford Device and we'll be on for wheel to wheel racing at every moment!

Sounds good to me.

I think I should have made it clear that I was talking about the Michigan International Speedway. Woops.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 04 Aug 2011, 10:54

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:
dr-baker wrote:
Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:If we do go ovals, the MIS is a must. That track needs open-wheel racing, period. I mean, chances are that the crowds will be worse than post-split levels, but who cares? Just stick the Hanford Device and we'll be on for wheel to wheel racing at every moment!

Sounds good to me.

I think I should have made it clear that I was talking about the Michigan International Speedway. Woops.

When I saw the letters MIS, I had to look it up, and deliberately linked to the less likely one... The one I would rather see...

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 09 Aug 2011, 13:22

And now Mexico wants to have a shot of throwing their hat in the ring:

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 10 Aug 2011, 01:02

let's all hope they don't puke another tilkedrome into an unsuspecting country with already good tracks.

Post by **mario** » 10 Aug 2011, 06:51

nome66 wrote:let's all hope they don't puke another tilkedrome into an unsuspecting country with already good tracks.

The talk at the moment is that an investment group (lead by Carlos Slim) are looking at bringing the race back to the Mexico City race track - it will need a fairly substantial refit to bring it up to modern standards.
Yes, there is talk that Tilke has been seen in the area - which I know might worry some - but the indication is that Tilke will only work on the replacement facilities, with the existing layout being retained. There is also talk that Apex Circuit Design have also been sending representatives to the circuit, so it looks like Tilke doesn't necessarily have this sewn up.

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 10 Aug 2011, 08:50

Ack. I've already got a good idea of what a Tilke-ified Mexico City track will look like in my head, and it's not a pretty sight. The hack job on the Peralta/Peraltada* is particularly horrific...

* 21 years and I still haven't had it confirmed which one of these names is correct, as they're both used all over the place. One minute it's one name, the next it's the other...

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 10 Aug 2011, 09:32

It's likely that Hermanos Rodriguez would be rebuilt. There's no run-off on the outside of the Perladelta, because it's a banked corner - and on the opposite side of it is a highway and a residential area. I'd say the pits could be torn down, moved further down the main straight, and the Perladelta rebuilt to run in front of the baseball stadium in the middle of the existing circuit, rather than around it. Like this. But a return to Hermanos Rodriguez is not the only option being considered. Like a street circuit in Guadaljara (Sergio Perez's hometown). Or my suggestion, the University of Mexico City.

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 10 Aug 2011, 10:37

JeremyMcClean wrote:And now Mexico wants to have a shot of throwing their hat in the ring:

Hopefully they won't reuse that awful Fundidora Park.

Frentzen127 · Post by **Frentzen127** » 10 Aug 2011, 14:19

Let's settle this then. No matter how the english speakers call it, as a Spanish speaker I can confirm with 100% certainty its called PERALTADA, mening 'banked', no other spelling or form makes sense. And taking that corner off the track is like taking Eau Rouge/Raidillion out of Spa, or the Beckett's complex out of Silverstone. It sucks the life right out of it.

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 10 Aug 2011, 17:21

i think they should keep the banked corner. f1 needs that kinda stuff.

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 11 Aug 2011, 00:28

nome66 wrote:i think they should keep the banked corner.

But they can't. If a car were to go over the upper lip of the corner, there's nothing to stop them from crashing down in the middle of a busy highway.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 11 Aug 2011, 00:47

Captain Hammer wrote:
nome66 wrote:i think they should keep the banked corner.

But they can't. If a car were to go over the upper lip of the corner, there's nothing to stop them from crashing down in the middle of a busy highway.

What about a safer barrier around the outside of that corner like at most ovals?

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 11 Aug 2011, 01:16

Wizzie wrote:
Captain Hammer wrote:
nome66 wrote:i think they should keep the banked corner.

But they can't. If a car were to go over the upper lip of the corner, there's nothing to stop them from crashing down in the middle of a busy highway.

What about a safer barrier around the outside of that corner like at most ovals?

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