Heidfeld will be replaced by Senna... ?

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 25 Aug 2011, 13:53

DanielPT wrote:He must beware though, since his brother might be coming into town to get things straight!
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2011/08/25/michael-schumacher-to-test-dtm/

He would get slapped so badly if he were to race in DTM, it would make his current F1 effort look like HWNSNBM himself came down from the heavens. :lol:

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 26 Aug 2011, 00:12

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news ... 82517.html

For those who don't understand German: Heidfeld plans on suing Renault. You'd think they've learnt their lesson after the story of Andy Soucek.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 26 Aug 2011, 06:36

Klon wrote:http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/2011/08/Heidfeld_gegen_Renault_Treffen_vor_Gericht_11082517.html

For those who don't understand German: Heidfeld plans on suing Renault. You'd think they've learnt their lesson after the story of Andy Soucek.

Oh dear. But surely, even if he gets back the seat, surely Group Bahar won't be too kind towards his car setup. I'm thinking slightly above Perry McCarthy level...

Post by **Londoner** » 26 Aug 2011, 10:14

That'll be a 'slightly boring' court case, wouldn't it. 8-)

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DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 26 Aug 2011, 10:40

Klon wrote:http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/2011/08/Heidfeld_gegen_Renault_Treffen_vor_Gericht_11082517.html

For those who don't understand German: Heidfeld plans on suing Renault. You'd think they've learnt their lesson after the story of Andy Soucek.

Nick Heidfeld is pissed off!!!

Expecting all hell to break lose!

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 26 Aug 2011, 10:47

Klon wrote:http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/2011/08/Heidfeld_gegen_Renault_Treffen_vor_Gericht_11082517.html

For those who don't understand German: Heidfeld plans on suing Renault. You'd think they've learnt their lesson after the story of Andy Soucek.

But Soucek didn't sue Renault ...

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 26 Aug 2011, 10:51

Well, good job Bruno. What I expected would happen, happened...

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 26 Aug 2011, 12:02

Yes... not entirely unexpected, was it?

Bruno Senna is setting himself a realistic target for his debut with Renault at the Belgian Grand Prix. "If I can be near (team-mate Vitaly) Petrov, that would be a good reference."

I've got a target for you, Bruno: unrejectification. How hard can it be? Your famous uncle managed it in a Toleman.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 26 Aug 2011, 12:11

F1 debut: 2010 Brazilian Grand Prix
What.

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 26 Aug 2011, 12:28

Shizuka wrote:F1 debut: 2010 Brazilian Grand Prix
What.

The important words here are (debut) "with Renault"

Ignore that! I've just see the "side-bar"....

Post by **mario** » 26 Aug 2011, 12:31

DanielPT wrote:
Klon wrote:http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/2011/08/Heidfeld_gegen_Renault_Treffen_vor_Gericht_11082517.html

For those who don't understand German: Heidfeld plans on suing Renault. You'd think they've learnt their lesson after the story of Andy Soucek.

Nick Heidfeld is pissed off!!!

Expecting all hell to break lose!

To be fair, it seems that he doesn't bear any grudge against Bruno Senna, but more against the senior management of the team, who his legal advisors are accusing of breach of contract. Here's what he had to say to the Radio Five live team:

German driver Nick Heidfeld, dropped for this race by Renault, tells BBC 5 live: "I cannot be very specific as something is pending. It's disappointing not to be here as a race driver but that is the situation at the moment and I have to live with that. If we would not be confident that we have a case here, we wouldn't follow it up and yes, I believe this is the situation. I have a good feeling inside the team. People like me. I've worked with the team for over a year and always enjoyed working with them."

However, according to the English speaking press at least, his lawyers are less amicable - and seem fairly confident that Heidfeld will be back in the cockpit by Singapore
"I am disappointed that the team is allowed to let another driver take Nick's seat for the next weekends," said Theuerzeit. "However, I certainly am confident that we will be able to enforce a fair solution for Nick in the further proceedings.

"We all hope that Nick will be back in the cockpit in Singapore."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93947

dinizintheoven wrote:Yes... not entirely unexpected, was it?

Bruno Senna is setting himself a realistic target for his debut with Renault at the Belgian Grand Prix. "If I can be near (team-mate Vitaly) Petrov, that would be a good reference."

I've got a target for you, Bruno: unrejectification. How hard can it be? Your famous uncle managed it in a Toleman.

If he is to do that, he'll need to get a hurry on, it seems - if Heidfeld is successful, it looks like Bruno might only have two attempts (here and in Monza) if he manages to reclaim his seat.

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 26 Aug 2011, 12:39

Well FP2 started more auspiciously; but he's slipping back at the moment.

1993DonningtonNo1 · Post by **1993DonningtonNo1** » 26 Aug 2011, 19:16

Cynon wrote:
1993DonningtonNo1 wrote:If anything, Heidfeld is the new Stefan Johansson, and FP1 at Hungary provided further proof of that..

Heidfeld hasn't killed one of his competitors in IndyCar being a careless twat. Yet.

I guess I meant to say the new pre-IndyCar Stefan Johansson.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 26 Aug 2011, 21:34

Captain Hammer wrote:
Klon wrote:http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/2011/08/Heidfeld_gegen_Renault_Treffen_vor_Gericht_11082517.html

For those who don't understand German: Heidfeld plans on suing Renault. You'd think they've learnt their lesson after the story of Andy Soucek.

But Soucek didn't sue Renault ...

No. He sued Coloni, which is far worse...

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 26 Aug 2011, 22:17

DanielPT wrote:
Klon wrote:http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/2011/08/Heidfeld_gegen_Renault_Treffen_vor_Gericht_11082517.html

For those who don't understand German: Heidfeld plans on suing Renault. You'd think they've learnt their lesson after the story of Andy Soucek.

Nick Heidfeld is pissed off!!!

Expecting all hell to break lose!

He must have been slightly bored. That, and he's probably looking for protection after his engine went blammo

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 27 Aug 2011, 02:50

Phoenix wrote:
Captain Hammer wrote:
Klon wrote:http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/2011/08/Heidfeld_gegen_Renault_Treffen_vor_Gericht_11082517.html

For those who don't understand German: Heidfeld plans on suing Renault. You'd think they've learnt their lesson after the story of Andy Soucek.

But Soucek didn't sue Renault ...

No. He sued Coloni, which is far worse...

That's kind of my point - why would Renault have "learned their lesson" after the Soucek episode when they had nothing to do with it? If anything, they were still caught up in the controversy following the Singapore scandal and were dealing with that rather than paying attention to the antics of a wannabe GP2 starlet.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 27 Aug 2011, 12:24

Captain Hammer wrote:That's kind of my point - why would Renault have "learned their lesson" after the Soucek episode when they had nothing to do with it? If anything, they were still caught up in the controversy following the Singapore scandal and were dealing with that rather than paying attention to the antics of a wannabe GP2 starlet.

The "they" was supposed to be the drivers. You don't sue your former team, no, you don't do that.

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 27 Aug 2011, 13:15

Pretty competent effort by Bruno in quali.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 27 Aug 2011, 19:05

has anyone actually pointed out the fact that Bruno is now driving for the same team his uncle drove for in 1984..... Toleman.....Benetton...... Renault

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 27 Aug 2011, 19:13

WeirdKerr wrote:has anyone actually pointed out the fact that Bruno is now driving for the same team his uncle drove for in 1984..... Toleman.....Benetton...... Renault

Yes.

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 27 Aug 2011, 22:05

eagleash wrote:
WeirdKerr wrote:has anyone actually pointed out the fact that Bruno is now driving for the same team his uncle drove for in 1984..... Toleman.....Benetton...... Renault

Yes.

Who?

noisebox · Post by **noisebox** » 27 Aug 2011, 22:09

WeirdKerr wrote:has anyone actually pointed out the fact that Bruno is now driving for the same team his uncle drove for in 1984..... Toleman.....Benetton...... Renault

There is also the symbolism of a black and gold (Lotus) Renault...

I'm delighted to see Bruno performing so well, the Senna name back at the sharp end of F1 is actually quite a poignent moment for me. I wish him well in the race tomorrow - 20 years ago another young hopeful lined up 7th at Spa...

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 27 Aug 2011, 22:12

noisebox wrote:I'm delighted to see Bruno performing so well, the Senna name back at the sharp end of F1 is actually quite a poignment moment for me. I wish him well in the race tomorrow - 20 years ago another young hopeful lined up 7th at Spa...

Just for that analogy I hope he finishes somewhere out of the points.

Post by **mario** » 27 Aug 2011, 22:32

Klon wrote:
noisebox wrote:I'm delighted to see Bruno performing so well, the Senna name back at the sharp end of F1 is actually quite a poignment moment for me. I wish him well in the race tomorrow - 20 years ago another young hopeful lined up 7th at Spa...

Just for that analogy I hope he finishes somewhere out of the points.

Well, if he was to follow in the footsteps of that historical figure, then that should mean that he'll retire on the opening lap with a self inflicted mechanical failure.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 27 Aug 2011, 22:51

mario wrote:Well, if he was to follow in the footsteps of that historical figure, then that should mean that he'll retire on the opening lap with a self inflicted mechanical failure.

That's why I did not say I don't want him to finish the race, because that would drive the symbolism right up the tree. Now a meaningless finish would be a lot more punishing.

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 28 Aug 2011, 03:37

Klon wrote:
noisebox wrote:I'm delighted to see Bruno performing so well, the Senna name back at the sharp end of F1 is actually quite a poignment moment for me. I wish him well in the race tomorrow - 20 years ago another young hopeful lined up 7th at Spa...

Just for that analogy I hope he finishes somewhere out of the points.

I find it more funny to see that for 25 years ago, Ayrton Senna drove for Toleman, and ended up on 7th in the race (before the DSQ of Tyrrel). And now, 25 years later, in the "same" team. Bruno qualifyes where Ayrton ended.

I know it's not the same track, but it was the Belgian GP!

ARgh, screw that. I clearly lack mathematical knowledge. It is 27 years ago Ayrton raced for Toleman...

solarcold · Post by **solarcold** » 28 Aug 2011, 06:41

Now that they have such a hugeload of racers, why wont they follow bull's example and make a Renault-Lotus second team, say, Lenault-Rotus? In this case, Either Senna, Grosjean, Petrov and Kubica could get a seat. Ah, no, it's not a solution. I forgot Heidfeld.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 28 Aug 2011, 13:42

Klon wrote:Just for that analogy I hope he finishes somewhere out of the points.

Ha, time for smug self-righteousness. :mrgreen:

Sauber010 · Post by **Sauber010** » 28 Aug 2011, 14:05

mario wrote:
Klon wrote:
noisebox wrote:I'm delighted to see Bruno performing so well, the Senna name back at the sharp end of F1 is actually quite a poignment moment for me. I wish him well in the race tomorrow - 20 years ago another young hopeful lined up 7th at Spa...

Just for that analogy I hope he finishes somewhere out of the points.

Well, if he was to follow in the footsteps of that historical figure, then that should mean that he'll retire on the opening lap with a self inflicted mechanical failure.

We just came incredibly close to Senna-fanboy euphoria.

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 28 Aug 2011, 14:16

The (enormous) difference between Schumacher and Senna B. is shown by this picture:

Yes, Schumacher also braked too late for La Source and blocked his tyres. But he managed to avoid screwing up anyone else's race. :mrgreen:

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 29 Aug 2011, 06:42

Is it just me or do the Tyrrells in the midfield have one of the strangest airbox designs in recent times?

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 29 Aug 2011, 08:45

Wizzie wrote:Is it just me or do the Tyrrells in the midfield have one of the strangest airbox designs in recent times?

If you mean the Brabhams, then yes... and no. Because, strange though it was, there were similar designs - Williams (1990) and Jordan (1997-98). I'd say it was the oval airbox combined with the bizarre rounded-and-pointy nose shape that made the BT60Y one of the oddest-looking cars of the era.

jpm · Post by **jpm** » 29 Aug 2011, 13:31

Autosport's Ed Straw recons that Romain Grosjean will be doing Friday practice for Renault from Singapore, pending Heidfeld's court case.

Post by **Londoner** » 02 Sep 2011, 17:42

Looks like we won't be seeing the man who slightly bores us again in 2011

And Senna will stay for the remainder of the season

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 02 Sep 2011, 18:14

East Londoner wrote:Looks like we won't be seeing the man who slightly bores us again in 2011

And Senna will stay for the remainder of the season

BBC also reporting this development.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula ... um=twitter

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 03 Sep 2011, 02:07

So he's got enough races to unrejectify himself now, although it'll be a tough order. He needs a reliable, clean race at Monza, get some decent mileage under him.

I can imagine there will be a big reception for him at Brazil!!

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 03 Sep 2011, 02:50

You'll love to see my face when he wins the Brazilian GP.

Not even that, you'd love to see my face when he scores his first point

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 03 Sep 2011, 06:14

Peter wrote:You'll love to see my face when he wins the Brazilian GP.

And I'll love to see your face when he doesn't.

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 03 Sep 2011, 06:27

Captain Hammer wrote:
Peter wrote:You'll love to see my face when he wins the Brazilian GP.

And I'll love to see your face when he doesn't.

You can count on it. I'd love to see your face when Petrov loses that seat and ends up in a Virgin for the rest of his career when Lotus needs more money that he can't deliver.

Kidding of course, wishing Vitaly all the best, and maybe he'll win the Russian GP in 2013.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 03 Sep 2011, 08:00

All I'm thinking now is, will he partake in enough races to take ADC's record