Your Reject of the Race - Spa!

QuickYoda41 · Post by **QuickYoda41** » 28 Aug 2011, 13:31

Bruno Iwontcallhimsenna fur ruining two excellent qualifying efforts

muttley · Post by **muttley** » 28 Aug 2011, 13:33

Bruno Senna pulls a Hamilton at the first corner to ruin his (and Alguersuari's) race.

Rubens Barrichello beaten by his team mate, and ramming into Kobayashi at the Bus Stop was quite pedestrian.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 28 Aug 2011, 13:33

Yeah, Senna's a very good call. That was a frustrating crash.

Hamilton also - he keeps getting into scrapes like this, whether it's fault or not I don't know, but he needs to be called out on it I think.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 28 Aug 2011, 13:34

1. Bruno Senna
You messed up not only yours, but Alguersuari's qualifying result. Better pull off a decent race in Monza, Bruno!

2. Sergio Perez
You messed up not only yours, but Buemi's race, forcing him to retire!

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 28 Aug 2011, 13:36

3rd place: Kamui Kobacrashi - all over the place, all race long.

2nd place: Vitaly Petrov's brakes - lasted forty-three of the forty-four laps, and cost him a potential seventh place.

1st place: Bruno Senna - hero to zero in six seconds.

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 28 Aug 2011, 13:44

So many options...

Lewis Hamilton - You twat.
Mark Webber - Yes, he finished second. But if he ever gets the car off the line even remotely well, I'm nominating him for IIDOTR straight away.
Toro Rosso - OK, so probably not entirely their fault, but since when has that mattered?
Sergio Perez - And to think he was running in the points for a while.
The BBC Coverage... again - Who's this "Sutil" guy who finished 7th?

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 28 Aug 2011, 13:48

Bruno Senna - Great qualifying but took out Alguersuari at the start and wasn't heard from ever since.
Kamui Kobayashi and/or Lewis Hamilton - I don't know who to blame in the incident, but just in case, I'll nominate both
Felipe Massa - Was up in podium spot but mysteriously got stuck behind Rosberg and wasn't heard from since

Post by **Londoner** » 28 Aug 2011, 13:49

Several candidates this time around
Senna for going full retard in the first corner, taking out Alguersuari, and then being completely anomonous
Kobayashi. His wing was broken, passed by all and sundry, nearly became the next victim of Ramilton.
Hamilton. Qualifying and not realising that Kamui was alongside at Les Combes.
BBC commentary team. Cringe-worthily amaturish at times. Many mistakes.

Dishonorable mentions to Toro Rosso, Barrichello and the two tyre compound rule.

Post by **tommykl** » 28 Aug 2011, 13:51

It just has to be Bruno Senna. He braked ridiculously late for the first corner to take out Alguersuari and never really showed much pace after his drive-through. Petrov demolished him.

As for the Hamilton-Kobayashi crash, I'd call it a racing incident. Kamui took the outside line, Lewis didn't expect him to be there, having used the DRS while already ahead, he didn't pay attention, followed his line and gave Kamui no space.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 28 Aug 2011, 14:12

Glock was also guilty of doing exactly the same as Senna though. Watch the start and see him fire down the inside into an ever closing gap.

But I agree with Senna, he simply wasn't up to the job really, found himself sandwiched between the Lotuses and Virgins for much of the middle of the race, and was well beaten by Petrov overall.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 28 Aug 2011, 14:20

The washing machine in my flat for blowing up pretty much as the race ended.

Bruno Senna - Rather amateurish lockup into the first corner, ended the Alguersaurus' chances of a good finish.
Sergio Perez - Another waste of a top 10 qualifying spot.

And at the risk of being assaulted by flaming papayas - Kamui Kobayashi - What did he think he was going to accomplish by getting alongside Hamilton there? You can't pass on the outside of Les Combes unless you're already ahead and a fair bit faster going into the corner.

Henrique · Post by **Henrique** » 28 Aug 2011, 14:20

I vote for Senna too.

Ben Gilbert · Post by **Ben Gilbert** » 28 Aug 2011, 14:37

I'd like to nominate Pastor Maldonado for his ridiculous antics on Saturday. Regardless of whether or not Hamilton was at fault for the collision at the chicane, which I don't think he was, you just don't slam into someone's front wheels. Thinking of what almost happened to Perry McCarthy when his steering failed, there could have been a very serious accident had the contact caused a similar fault later on in the lap.

But, like with Kimi in 2009, he put in a much better performance after his reject-worthy moment, so I can't really nominate him in total. Instead, I will nominate Pastor Maldonado's Temper.

And Bruno Senna, obviously.

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 28 Aug 2011, 14:40

tommykl wrote:It just has to be Bruno Senna. He braked ridiculously late for the first corner to take out Alguersuari and never really showed much pace after his drive-through. Petrov demolished him.

As for the Hamilton-Kobayashi crash, I'd call it a racing incident. Kamui took the outside line, Lewis didn't expect him to be there, having used the DRS while already ahead, he didn't pay attention, followed his line and gave Kamui no space.

Without trying to be picky, but I think you've contradicted yourself a bit. I'd blame Hamilton for that, Kobayashi wasn't really on the outside, and it was Hamilton who moved over.

Priceless · Post by **Priceless** » 28 Aug 2011, 15:05

I usually come with three nominations, so here we go... much as it saddens me, today the lineup is all-Brazilian:
3rd: Felipe Massa - I could sense he was going to be destroyed after Alonso passed him. Lost out against Rosberg too. He slipped further backwards in the middle of the race through no fault of his own though - he had a slow puncture in one of his Medium tires, prompting a second change.
2nd: Bruno Senna - rookie error at the first corner wasted both his and Alguersuari's excellent qualifying efforts, although he was just OK afterwards. To add insult to injury, Petrov's performance showed sorta like "what could have been"...
1st: Rubens Barrichello - just went nowhere, and finished a lowly, lapped 16th... while Maldonado scored, starting from 21th. This is wild speculation of course, but it just might be why, as has been said here in the forum (and in local TV here in Brazil), "he still doesn't have a contract". Anonymous performances like those don't earn people contracts. (Edit) Ah, and I forgot to mention that clumsy crash into the rear of Kobayashi's car.

Dishonorable mention goes to Sauber F1. Today was not their day. Pérez retired and Kobayashi had quite a messy race. On top of that, Force India's slowly reeling them in... as it stands now there's only three points between the two teams.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 28 Aug 2011, 16:44

Since it was awarded to "Mark Webber's strategy" in Spain, this time it should go to his starts. That probably cost him the win in all truth.

Otherwise I quite agree about Zippy Barrichello. :lol:

Vepe · Post by **Vepe** » 28 Aug 2011, 17:59

Maldonado for that ridiculous move in qualifying
Senna for that rookie mistake after great qualifying
and Hamilton for triggering Maldonados move in quali and blaming Koba for the accident in the race. Although he did appologize afterwards after reviewing the footage.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 28 Aug 2011, 18:07

the Masked Lapwing wrote:Toro Rosso - OK, so probably not entirely their fault, but since when has that mattered?

This. They are honourable mentions, but my award goes to Rubens Barrichello for finishing behind both Lotus cars.

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 28 Aug 2011, 18:11

Rubens; poor show.

RAK · Post by **RAK** » 28 Aug 2011, 18:12

Kamui Kobayashi. He was running in an out-of-position fourth place which could have earned points, but his crash against Hamilton meant he had to jump into the pits at an inopportune time, costing him any chance of scoring. Also ruined Hamilton's race, and I would have appreciated a bit of a contest from Hamilton for once.

Also, Bruno Senna. One might suggest that his seventh-place qualifying was out of place and more to do with climatic conditions, but Petrov scored points, while Senna didn't.

LionZoo · Post by **LionZoo** » 28 Aug 2011, 18:37

Lewis Hamilton for squeezing himself into Kobayashi and then having the balls to blame Kobayashi for the incident before viewing any footage of it. At least he manned up after watching the video and admitted it was his own fault. He really needs to stop getting himself into all kinds of trouble during race weekends.

whatisdeletrazdoing · Post by **whatisdeletrazdoing** » 28 Aug 2011, 18:39

LionZoo wrote:Lewis Hamilton for squeezing himself into Kobayashi and then having the balls to blame Kobayashi for the incident before viewing any footage of it. At least he manned up after watching the video and admitted it was his own fault. He really needs to stop getting himself into all kinds of trouble during race weekends.

100% Agreed!

Also: I'd like to nominate Bruno Senna for his amateurish first corner crash that wasted his superb qualifying position.

Barbazza · Post by **Barbazza** » 28 Aug 2011, 19:27

LionZoo wrote:Lewis Hamilton for squeezing himself into Kobayashi and then having the balls to blame Kobayashi for the incident before viewing any footage of it. At least he manned up after watching the video and admitted it was his own fault. He really needs to stop getting himself into all kinds of trouble during race weekends.

He did - really?! Blimey, if he's not careful the world will shift on its axis in shock and we'll all be getting hurricanes, not just the East Coast of the US (hope any of you over there are OK btw)

Anyway, I'm still going to do this -

1) Hamilton - Seriously, does he think he walks on water and doesn't have to look in his mirrors any more? No way was that Kobayashi's fault, though he was chancing it a bit putting his car there given Lewis's driving lately.

2) Perez - seemed to make a mess of a good grid position by having accidents which we mostly didn't see. Not a great race for Sauber all round really, given that Kamui could arguably have been a bit more circumspect (but then he won't be the Koba that we love I suppose!)

Do you know what, maybe it's inspired by the atmosphere of forgiveness surprisingly coming from Lewis or maybe it's the wine I've drunk but I'm going to let Senna off even though I wanted Nick to stay in the car. It was his first race back, and considering the accident and subsequent penalty he wasn't *that* far from the points.

golic_2004 · Post by **golic_2004** » 29 Aug 2011, 11:33

muttley wrote:Bruno Senna pulls a Hamilton at the first corner to ruin his (and Alguersuari's) race.

That or Mercedes with the wheel. Who knows where Schumi would have finished had he started in a much better position.
Or Lewis Hamilton for colliding with Kobayashi...and the fans who blamed Kobayashi for the incident.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 29 Aug 2011, 11:54

Rubens Barrichello was simply very poor out there...

nigellamansell · Post by **nigellamansell** » 29 Aug 2011, 14:54

DanielPT wrote:Rubens Barrichello was simply very poor out there...

TBH I don't why he's still bothering...much is made of his experience and ability to develop a car but I don't the hunger is there on race day anymore.

Ed24 · Post by **Ed24** » 29 Aug 2011, 15:07

Nominees:
Barrichello - Very poor race
Senna - No points for qualifying!
Maldonado - Escapes winning this award by scoring a point
Perez - Very clumsy in taking out Buemi, which ruined Seb's brilliant start
Red Bull and Vettel - I know they got a 1-2, but campaigning so vociferously about the tyres was shameful, considering it was due to their own setup, and Vettel having a tantrum with the Pirelli guy was embarrassing.
Ferrari strategy - Bizarre

Winner:
Hamilton - common denominator of both major Saturday and Sunday incidents. Was by no means completely at fault on Saturday, but played a role, and then brought back his arrogant driving on Sunday - just assuming that Kobayashi wouldn't be there. Also attempted to blame Kobayashi on TV.

fjackdaw · Post by **fjackdaw** » 29 Aug 2011, 15:29

A point also for Martin Whitmarsh for attempting to blame Kobayashi, even when directly being shown the video of the incident. Eddie Jordan is annoying, but fair play to giving him merry hell about it

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 29 Aug 2011, 17:30

I'd have to say Hamilton. After what Maldanado did to him, he should have known better not to do the same thing himself to Kobayashi.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 29 Aug 2011, 19:01

OK, my definitve nomination is for Bruno Senna and his clumsy start. He destroyed his own race, Alguersuari's race (and they both had widely surpassed expectations at qualifying), and nearly took out Alonso too by dint of ramming Alguersuari (who, ironically, said after qualifying he hoped neither Senna or Alguersuari would go balls out at the start). He's picked it up where he left it last year and has proven he's still a loose cannon.

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 29 Aug 2011, 21:03

Still a loose cannon? What have I missed now?

Yannick · Post by **Yannick** » 30 Aug 2011, 09:46

Well, this was a pretty good race. The Hamilton/Kobayashi collision was pointless but really, not enough to merit an award because Hamilton paid a severe price for it: his championship hopes for 2011 are over (at least he said so).

Both Toro Rossos were out so early so the team does not need any more bad press than they already have. Besides, they did a good job all weekend with both cars. What happened to Buemi exactly?

Bruno Senna's start crash seemed like a rookie error to say the least. GenII Capital Racing took a gamble and put him in the car. He outqualified his experienced teammate and then this. Kind of makes me want to hand the award to all people who are "slightly bored of Nick Heidfeld" but again, a rookie error is not enough for such an award.

Team Lotus might be another candidate for the early collision of both of their drivers, but that happened so far back it may have been caused by the other collision from further to the front of the grid.

Force 1ndia had quite a good race, too, with Sutil battling it out with eventual 5th placed Schumacher at one point. Sauber had a troubled day but they will get over it. HRT performed like HRT. I haven't seen much of Virgin Racing for the whole race, but neither of Williams, whose anonymity during this event gets them a nomination. But basically, if we're talking the anonymous teams, the common thread between them is Cosworth. And Cosworth have clearly shown that they are down on power and need to ask the FIA for permission to upgrade RIGHT NOW.

If the IndyCar race at Sonoma had not been such a snoozer (I literally fell asleep and didn't watch it until the end), the nomination for the award would go to Cosworth. But thus, I'd like to nominate the IndyCar Grand Prix of Sonoma 2011 for Reject Of the Race for the Belgian Grand Prix 2011 of Formula 1.

It's a bit off-key, but hey, why not? ;-)

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 30 Aug 2011, 10:17

Honorary mention to Sauber for NOT bringing Kobayashi in after the accident with Hamilton caused the SC intervention. Kamui stayed out and completed one more full lap, behind the SC, before finally pitting -and rejoining 14th. Looking at the times he wouldn't have saved that many positions, maybe a couple, but why NOT to pit? His front wing was damaged and it probably wasn't helped by the collision (safety anyone?) and his tyres were completely shot after 13 laps. The SC gave him a free pitstop (see Vettel) from his artificially high race position and the only reasonable thing to do was to pit.

It probably costed him a couple of points at the end of the day.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 30 Aug 2011, 11:58

Yannick wrote:
Both Toro Rossos were out so early so the team does not need any more bad press than they already have. Besides, they did a good job all weekend with both cars. What happened to Buemi exactly?

Perez rammed him, breaking his rear wing support.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 30 Aug 2011, 12:01

Aerond wrote:
Yannick wrote:
Both Toro Rossos were out so early so the team does not need any more bad press than they already have. Besides, they did a good job all weekend with both cars. What happened to Buemi exactly?

Perez rammed him, breaking his rear wing support.

Which chose to let go completely through the middle of Eau Rouge. How he didn't end up traveling backwards into the wall at the exit is beyond me.

fjackdaw · Post by **fjackdaw** » 30 Aug 2011, 12:25

I think Bruno should be exempt because he had almost no dry running and no real time in the car before having to negotiate a crowded turn one at racing speed.

Post by **mario** » 30 Aug 2011, 12:56

Phoenix wrote:OK, my definitve nomination is for Bruno Senna and his clumsy start. He destroyed his own race, Alguersuari's race (and they both had widely surpassed expectations at qualifying), and nearly took out Alonso too by dint of ramming Alguersuari (who, ironically, said after qualifying he hoped neither Senna or Alguersuari would go balls out at the start). He's picked it up where he left it last year and has proven he's still a loose cannon.

On the dummy grid, Bruno's engineers had been instructing Bruno on how to manage his brake temperatures around the warm up lap so that they'd be in their optimum operating temperature range for the start.

Still, I'm really surprised that his suspension survived that impact, given that he struck Alguersuari quite forcefully, and that he didn't cause an even larger accident at the start - though, that said, there were some other drivers there who really should have done better too (I'm thinking of Glock, for example, who was also heading into that corner at far too high a speed and was also hit with a penalty). I'm also wondering what sort of strategy Bruno was on in the early stages - his pace was very poor to begin with (at one point he was caught and passed by both Trulli and Heikki, and I think that even the Virgin Racing duo and Liuzzi passed him (Ricciardo was already out by that point)), though he seemed to improve as the race went on.

Hamilton's race performance, though, has also to be right up there - whilst he admitted afterwards that he was at fault, it was just careless, as if he's mentally already resigned to Vettel winning by a landslide and has lost all interest. His mental state just seems to be out at the moment, because he is just getting entangled in too many incidents that he really doesn't need to be tangled up in.
At the moment, whilst Hamilton may be the driver who can get closest to Red Bull on Saturday, it's Button's ability to work his way through the pack that is paying dividends at the moment, to the point where you wonder if McLaren might even look at backing Button over Hamilton in the latter part of this season (which I doubt was something that many would have dared suggest when he joined McLaren).

Still, Sauber were also pretty anonymous, and in their case they were slightly lucky that Di Resta was off the pace thanks to Glock damaging the floor of his car - they're only three points ahead of Force India, and even before that collision between Kobayashi and Hamilton, it looked as if Kobayashi had no answer to Sutil. And as Yannick points out earlier, Sauber really are shooting themselves in the foot in terms of strategy, running the soft tyres well beyond the point where they should have pitted and generally being very slow to react, if they react at all, to what is happening around them.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 30 Aug 2011, 15:25

fjackdaw wrote:I think Bruno should be exempt because he had almost no dry running and no real time in the car before having to negotiate a crowded turn one at racing speed.

That's not an excuse. He already had a full season of F1 racing behind him and he should know how to negotiate a start. Well, at any rate, who cares? Wreaking havoc at a race start is very rejectful in itself and I'd have given the award to di Resta or Button if they would have done what Senna did.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 30 Aug 2011, 17:50

Bruno Senna and Timo Glock - Bulls in a China shop.

stupot94 · Post by **stupot94** » 31 Aug 2011, 12:29

Lewis. For not being aware of a driver who he must have known would have fought back. Unless he mistook him for Perez