F1RWRS -- 2014 Season

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 09 Nov 2011, 23:13

Aerond wrote:
EDIT: Just found your detailed accounts; 440 credits at the end of 2013 season + 425 from chassis and engine sale / 2 = 430, which are added to MRT´s 180 credits at the end of 2013 season + 290 in prizes (Tv money + 90) = 900

Horizon bought the engine from MRT, not from the manufacturer for an extra 50 credits over the list price. Therefore isn't the resale value 150, not 125, or am I missing something here?

EDIT: Yes, I am trying to bend the rules to breaking point for that extra advantage, because I can. :lol:

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 09 Nov 2011, 23:24

Wizzie wrote:
Aerond wrote:
EDIT: Just found your detailed accounts; 440 credits at the end of 2013 season + 425 from chassis and engine sale / 2 = 430, which are added to MRT´s 180 credits at the end of 2013 season + 290 in prizes (Tv money + 90) = 900

Horizon bought the engine from MRT, not from the manufacturer for an extra 50 credits over the list price. Therefore isn't the resale value 150, not 125, or am I missing something here?

EDIT: Yes, I am trying to bend the rules to breaking point for that extra advantage, because I can.

That would be arguable if Horizon and MRT owners were different people, but since it´s you fighting for a miserable couple of credits, it is not. :lol:

EDIT: Keep it up like this and you may gain those credits through the ROTY award 8-)

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 09 Nov 2011, 23:27

Damnit. You've foiled my brilliant plan. :lol:

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 09 Nov 2011, 23:28

Aerond wrote:EDIT: Keep it up like this and you may gain those credits through the ROTY award

Eh? Something so cheap will get him Reject Of The Year, whereas Tropico Grand Prix DNPQing every race despite so much hype regarding me owning it won't? That hurts, man. :lol:

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 09 Nov 2011, 23:29

Klon wrote:
Aerond wrote:EDIT: Keep it up like this and you may gain those credits through the ROTY award

Eh? Something so cheap will get him Reject Of The Year, whereas Tropico Grand Prix DNPQing every race despite so much hype regarding me owning it won't? That hurts, man.

I meant a ROTY nomination

But it´s you who vote in the end

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 09 Nov 2011, 23:31

Aerond wrote:
Klon wrote:
Aerond wrote:EDIT: Keep it up like this and you may gain those credits through the ROTY award

Eh? Something so cheap will get him Reject Of The Year, whereas Tropico Grand Prix DNPQing every race despite so much hype regarding me owning it won't? That hurts, man.

I meant a ROTY nomination But it´s you who vote in the end

Daniel Melrose: Annoying people since 2004

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 09 Nov 2011, 23:34

Wizzie wrote:
Aerond wrote:I meant a ROTY nomination But it´s you who vote in the end

Daniel Melrose: Amusing people since 2004

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 10 Nov 2011, 00:00

Okay then, Jones Racing reveals it's hand.

Firstly I'm going to apologise to JeremyMcLean, because sorry bro, but I'm gonna have to sneak that Minardi M197 from under your nose.

So here's how things should stack up if I've worked them out correctly.

Jones Racing starts off with 595 credits.

I sell the Zakspeed 891 chassis back, which at half price gives me an additional 112.5 credits (but we'll call it 112).

That gives me a total of 707 credits and a Ford HBD VI engine.

With those 707 credits I purchase the Minardi M197 chassis for 600 credits, leaving me with 107 left over to redistribute later in the year.

So to confirm:
Chassis: Minardi M197//3000//5//9//770//600
Engine: Ford HBD VI//680//4000//750//600
And 107 credits change

Bueno?

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 10 Nov 2011, 00:13

AndreaModa wrote: but I'm gonna have to sneak that Minardi M197 from under your nose.

The Fox is not pleased...

Anyways,

So regarding the news from Jones Racing the sale of the Brabham BT60B is now off, but the engine, the Ford HB IV is now on sale for 550 credits. I will haggle but not very much. And this time, I'm not telling anyone what I intend to buy!!

EDIT - It's all right, I've got another good plan...

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 10 Nov 2011, 00:22

I do apologise, I initially wanted the Jordan 191, but I couldn't manage it whilst keeping my engine, the Minardi M197 was the next best, sorry.

SuperAguri · Post by **SuperAguri** » 10 Nov 2011, 01:24

Aerond : Do Kamaha credits already have the credits from the sale of FATs chassis and engine? As I think I should have over 650 credits?

Also the reliabitly points, although GP2edit does allow it to be between 0-32767, it does seem that it should be be between 0-16383, with any thing higher then 16384 resulting in weird results. Would you consider halfing the reliabilty points to reflect this (source : http://grandprix2.de/gp2forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=755 and se second post).

tristan1117 · Post by **tristan1117** » 10 Nov 2011, 01:31

Alright, American Racing Conglomerate will sell the Ford HB IV engine for 525 credits. This leaves them with 865 credits, which will be used to buy the Ford HBD VI engine for 600 credits. This leaves us with 265 credits, which will be used for next year.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 10 Nov 2011, 01:44

What, a team can sell it's engine for the price amount? (So let's say an engine costed 500 credits, if I sell that, I get 500 credits back)

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 10 Nov 2011, 01:46

Right. Hope I've got this right...

Option 1:

Chassis - Tyrrell 021 - 500 credits
Engine - Ford DFR V8 - 350 credits

Option 2:

Chassis - Zakspeed 861 - 550 credits
Engine - Judd CV - 300 credits

Chassis to be renamed MAR-001, Engine name kept the same.

Both options leave me with 150 credits which I will either use all on spee if we're crap in pre-qualifying.

SuperAguri · Post by **SuperAguri** » 10 Nov 2011, 02:17

Jeremy : No, Tristan did not read the rules, when you sell an engine (or chassis) back you only get Half the credits back unless you manage to flog it to another team then you can ask what you want for it.

Source : viewtopic.php?f=8&t=4549&p=117383&hilit=half#p117383

SuperAguri · Post by **SuperAguri** » 10 Nov 2011, 02:20

Barii Mori wrote:I am so happy that we manage to get out of the prequalifying mess, we love you Flying Fish, well... we love the lack of your team in F1. Once we get confirmation of our credits we shall be annoucing our new engine, sponsors as well as confirming our driver line up.

Shinji Zanmai wrote:We shall be annoucing our driver line up soon. We are probably going to keep our Chassis and Engine and pour money into making it work.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 10 Nov 2011, 02:29

Autosport wrote:Reyna-Sanchez to get Part-Time MRT drive

Spanish American driver Vidal Reyna-Sanchez will again feature in MRT's lineup for 2014. Renya-Sanchez is guaranteed a drive at this year's United States Grand Prix and may also race in the Mexican Grand Prix should the event remain on the calendar. It has also been confirmed that Dean O'Lauchlan or Mitchell Macklin may also be in line for a one-off drive in 2014 depending on the team's form in the upcoming season.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 10 Nov 2011, 03:30

SuperAguri wrote:Jeremy : No, Tristan did not read the rules, when you sell an engine (or chassis) back you only get Half the credits back unless you manage to flog it to another team then you can ask what you want for it.

Meh, I want to get rid of that engine! OK, with the 445 credits still left with ArrowTech, we will sell the Ford HB IV (value 525 credits) for the mandatory half price at 262.5 credits, with a total of 707.5 credits total. Then we'll buy the Peugeot A7 for 650 credits leaving us with 57.5 credits, which are to be spent at a later date.

ArrowTech will be keeping the Brabham BT60B unless we get a smashing deal for it. Please correct me if I've made any math errors.

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 10 Nov 2011, 05:05

Aerond, I direct you to this post.

That means:

HRT:
DALLARA F190 // 8000 // 5 // 4 // 740 // 400 (so I'm selling the Onyx)
PORSCHE V12 // 655 // 4000 // 690 // 500

GRM:
FOMET F1 // 9000 // 3 // 6 // 690 // 325
PORSCHE V12 // 655 // 4000 // 690 // 500

Both engines will be rebadged as HSV again.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 10 Nov 2011, 06:57

If I also have 1000 credits, I'd choose:
TYRRELL 021 - FORD HB I

Ilmor is less reliable and I'd build around reliability first, changed my mind.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 10 Nov 2011, 08:41

Also, for the record, I'd like to point out the Minardi M197 chassis will be rebadged as the Jones CJR-103.

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 10 Nov 2011, 08:54

Shizuka wrote:If I also have 1000 credits, I'd choose:
TYRRELL 021 - FORD HB I

Ilmor is less reliable and I'd build around reliability first, changed my mind.

Sorry. Already taken dibs (look about 3 posts above).

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 10 Nov 2011, 09:11

Slots still available? I will join the new teams bid then:

CHASSIS: ZAKSPEED 861 (550) I was going to use 021 until AdrianSutil was using it.
ENGINE: FORD COSWORTH DFZ (350)

(OP said new teams get 1000 credits)

I will reveal the details later.

The Lukas · Post by **The Lukas** » 10 Nov 2011, 09:30

And here we go:
I am selling both Dallara chassis to HRT that move gives me 200 additional credits.
My a budget of 400 credits which allows me to purchase the following:
LOLA T93 // 11000 // 3 // 8 // 730 // 300
My budget after Purchaing Chassis of 100 Credits

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 10 Nov 2011, 09:41

The Lukas wrote:And here we go:
I am selling both Dallara chassis that move gives me 400 additional credits.
Both Tomislaw Tajner are pay-driver I will allow myself to already add their 20 credits.
My a budget of 600 credits which allows me to purchase the following:
MINARDI M187 // 14000 // 5 // 7 // 760 // 425
My budget after Purchaing Chassis of 175 Credits

That is wrong; Please read the rules. Chassises and engines are sold for HALF the price you bought them. You can´t add credits to drivers who haven´t raced and Klon already got a penalty for that.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 10 Nov 2011, 09:47

AndreaModa wrote:
So to confirm:
Chassis: Minardi M197//3000//5//9//770//600
Engine: Ford HBD VI//680//4000//750//600
And 107 credits change

Bueno?

Confirmed and correct.

SuperAguri wrote:Aerond : Do Kamaha credits already have the credits from the sale of FATs chassis and engine? As I think I should have over 650 credits?

Also the reliabitly points, although GP2edit does allow it to be between 0-32767, it does seem that it should be be between 0-16383, with any thing higher then 16384 resulting in weird results. Would you consider halfing the reliabilty points to reflect this (source : http://grandprix2.de/gp2forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=755 and se second post).

Don´t worry about this. As in the carset I´m using I reduce the reliability value to a 50% to meet Gp2 standards. I already had this in count. As for Kamaha credits, remember Kamaha would only get Half of the credits FAT would have after selling back the chassis and engine, and that they aren´t entitled to the 200 credits for TV Rights which are only available to teams which keep on, so in the end it wasn´t that many credits coming from FAT as their Prize money wasn´t very high.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 10 Nov 2011, 09:55

Aerond wrote: You can´t add credits to drivers who haven´t raced and Wizzie already got a penalty for that.

That was Klon. I was whining about something completely different

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 10 Nov 2011, 09:59

AdrianSutil wrote:Right. Hope I've got this right...

Option 1:

Chassis - Tyrrell 021 - 500 credits
Engine - Ford DFR V8 - 350 credits

Option 2:

Chassis - Zakspeed 861 - 550 credits
Engine - Judd CV - 300 credits

Chassis to be renamed MAR-001, Engine name kept the same.

Both options leave me with 150 credits which I will either use all on spee if we're crap in pre-qualifying.

Your option 1 is correct, so MAR is confirmed to run Tyrrell 021 - Ford DFR.

JeremyMcClean wrote:Meh, I want to get rid of that engine! OK, with the 445 credits still left with ArrowTech, we will sell the Ford HB IV (value 525 credits) for the mandatory half price at 262.5 credits, with a total of 707.5 credits total. Then we'll buy the Peugeot A7 for 650 credits leaving us with 57.5 credits, which are to be spent at a later date.

ArrowTech will be keeping the Brabham BT60B unless we get a smashing deal for it. Please correct me if I've made any math errors.

That is correct. Accounted

the Masked Lapwing wrote:Aerond, I direct you to this post.

That means:

HRT:
DALLARA F190 // 8000 // 5 // 4 // 740 // 400 (so I'm selling the Onyx)
PORSCHE V12 // 655 // 4000 // 690 // 500

GRM:
FOMET F1 // 9000 // 3 // 6 // 690 // 325
PORSCHE V12 // 655 // 4000 // 690 // 500

Both engines will be rebadged as HSV again.

That wasn´t done during market time so HRT can´t have the Dallara chassis until Dofasco oficially sells it. Please wait until this is done correctly and then grab the Dallara.
GRM is keeping the car, then.

FMecha wrote:Slots still available? I will join the new teams bid then:

CHASSIS: ZAKSPEED 861 (550) I was going to use 021 until AdrianSutil was using it.
ENGINE: FORD COSWORTH DFZ (350)

(OP said new teams get 1000 credits)

I will reveal the details later.

Ok, but tell us the name of your team at least!!!

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 10 Nov 2011, 10:00

Wizzie wrote:
Aerond wrote: You can´t add credits to drivers who haven´t raced and Wizzie already got a penalty for that.

That was Klon. I was whining about something completely different

Klon, Wizzie, what´s the difference? :lol:

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 10 Nov 2011, 10:07

Oh come on, he just made it pretty clear he wanted rid of it - even if he was wrong...

*grumbling*

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 10 Nov 2011, 10:26

Aerond wrote:Klon, Wizzie, what´s the difference?

I don't win F1 championships on easy mode.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 10 Nov 2011, 10:55

Can I join in too as a team boss (the new teams bid, that is)?

Name of the team: Iberia Racing Team

Chassis: LOLA T93 (300)
Engine: JUDD GV10 (550) (I believe one is still available)

I will invest the rest of the credits on reliability (chassis) (about 150 credits if I am not mistaken).

Is this ok?

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 10 Nov 2011, 11:04

DanielPT wrote:Can I join in too as a team boss (the new teams bid, that is)?

Name of the team: Iberia Racing Team

Chassis: LOLA T93 (300)
Engine: JUDD GV10 (550) (I believe one is still available)

I will invest the rest of the credits on reliability (chassis) (about 150 credits if I am not mistaken).

Is this ok?

Sorry, but FMecha has already taken the vacant spot.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 10 Nov 2011, 11:08

Aerond wrote:
DanielPT wrote:Can I join in too as a team boss (the new teams bid, that is)?

Name of the team: Iberia Racing Team

Chassis: LOLA T93 (300)
Engine: JUDD GV10 (550) (I believe one is still available)

I will invest the rest of the credits on reliability (chassis) (about 150 credits if I am not mistaken).

Is this ok?

Sorry, but FMecha has already taken the vacant spot.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Ok, I will wait for next year then. Or for someone to sell his team that is...

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 10 Nov 2011, 11:13

OK, Team Phoenix keeps its chassis, but I want the remaining Hart 415T if possible. Thank you

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 10 Nov 2011, 11:49

Phoenix wrote:OK, Team Phoenix keeps its chassis, but I want the remaining Hart 415T if possible. Thank you

Afraid it is not. Phoenix has 400 Cr., if you sell your engine it would for 175, so you´d have 575 to spend on a new engine.

SuperAguri · Post by **SuperAguri** » 10 Nov 2011, 12:07

Hmmmm

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 10 Nov 2011, 12:41

AdrianSutil wrote:
Shizuka wrote:If I also have 1000 credits, I'd choose:
TYRRELL 021 - FORD HB I

Ilmor is less reliable and I'd build around reliability first, changed my mind.

Sorry. Already taken dibs (look about 3 posts above).

What exactly do I need to switch? The chassis?
edit: fk.

Lola T97 - FORD HB I then.

edit 2: typical bad luck - went to bed at 22:22 in my timezone, and when did Aerond publish the list? 22:25... :lol:

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 10 Nov 2011, 12:47

OK, then. This might be a foolhardy decision, but I want all of my credits spent on power upgrades for the engine.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 10 Nov 2011, 13:06

Shizuka wrote:
AdrianSutil wrote:
Shizuka wrote:If I also have 1000 credits, I'd choose:
TYRRELL 021 - FORD HB I

Ilmor is less reliable and I'd build around reliability first, changed my mind.

Sorry. Already taken dibs (look about 3 posts above).

What exactly do I need to switch? The chassis?
edit: fk.

Lola T97 - FORD HB I then.

edit 2: typical bad luck - went to bed at 22:22 in my timezone, and when did Aerond publish the list? 22:25...

This is for Shonan, right? (I thought Pointrox was Shonan´s owner, but I might be wrong, I´m not used to the new teams yet)