Unpopular F1 opinions

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 15 Nov 2011, 00:43

And I've already said why both he and Massa have the years - and what they are going to do with the helmets. I think that is a good cause.

Really, I do agree with you, but not 100%

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 15 Nov 2011, 12:15

I actually agree about tributes (apart from one-offs) but I liked the fact that Damon Hill's helmet design was the same as Graham's and stuff like that. At least Damon Hill never had 1962 and 1968 on his helmet though. ;-)

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 15 Nov 2011, 12:21

James1978 wrote:I actually agree about tributes (apart from one-offs) but I liked the fact that Damon Hill's helmet design was the same as Graham's and stuff like that. At least Damon Hill never had 1962 and 1968 on his helmet though.

I think it's nice that the Hill family continue to maintain their helmet design, now in it's third generation in the form of Josh Hill. I'm fine with things like these, but I agree that the Bruno Senna thing isn't really my sort of thing.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 16 Nov 2011, 08:35

Bruno Senna has done an OK job considering the circumstances
The mid 2000's Sauber was one of the best liveries in F1.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 16 Nov 2011, 09:58

eurobrun wrote:Bruno Senna has done an OK job considering the circumstances

I agree. After the podium in the early flyaways, even Petrov is now struggling to score points so why should we expect Senna to do significantly better, particularly when he has so so many fewer races this year.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 16 Nov 2011, 11:18

eurobrun wrote:Bruno Senna has done an OK job considering the circumstances.

Vitaly Petrov has done a super job considering that Renault has basically been a bunch of headless chickens this year...

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 16 Nov 2011, 11:25

dr-baker wrote:
eurobrun wrote:Bruno Senna has done an OK job considering the circumstances

I agree. After the podium in the early flyaways, even Petrov is now struggling to score points so why should we expect Senna to do significantly better, particularly when he has so so many fewer races this year.

Just out of curiosity, I went to see Lotus Renault results this year and, surprise, surprise, the massive slump in form they went through happened after ditching Heidfeld. This suggests that Lotus Renault were less slightly boring with Heidfeld there. It also suggests that both Senna and Petrov are clueless development and set-up wise. And that leads me to my unpopular opinion, that I may change any time in the future mind you, that Petrov is overrated.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 16 Nov 2011, 11:28

DanielPT wrote:
dr-baker wrote:
eurobrun wrote:Bruno Senna has done an OK job considering the circumstances

I agree. After the podium in the early flyaways, even Petrov is now struggling to score points so why should we expect Senna to do significantly better, particularly when he has so so many fewer races this year.

Just out of curiosity, I went to see Lotus Renault results this year and, surprise, surprise, the massive slump in form they went through happened after ditching Heidfeld. This suggests that Lotus Renault were less slightly boring with Heidfeld there. It also suggests that both Senna and Petrov are clueless development and set-up wise. And that leads me to my unpopular opinion, that I may change any time in the future mind you, that Petrov is overrated.

Remember, they've lost a lot of key staff since the beginning of the year...

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 16 Nov 2011, 11:41

Cynon wrote:
DanielPT wrote:
dr-baker wrote:I agree. After the podium in the early flyaways, even Petrov is now struggling to score points so why should we expect Senna to do significantly better, particularly when he has so so many fewer races this year.

Just out of curiosity, I went to see Lotus Renault results this year and, surprise, surprise, the massive slump in form they went through happened after ditching Heidfeld. This suggests that Lotus Renault were less slightly boring with Heidfeld there. It also suggests that both Senna and Petrov are clueless development and set-up wise. And that leads me to my unpopular opinion, that I may change any time in the future mind you, that Petrov is overrated.

Remember, they've lost a lot of key staff since the beginning of the year...

Nevertheless it is the driver who controls the set-up. The Lotus Renault might be very hard to set-up correctly, something that Heidfeld was, perhaps, doing with some success...

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 16 Nov 2011, 12:23

The really scary thing about Renault is that if we'd still been on the 2003 - 09 points system, their last point would have been scored by Heidfeld for 8th at Silverstone!

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 16 Nov 2011, 12:52

James1978 wrote:The really scary thing about Renault is that if we'd still been on the 2003 - 09 points system, their last point would have been scored by Heidfeld for 8th at Silverstone!

And using the 1990s' 10-6-4-3-2-1 system, Renault's last point would have been Canada with Petrov's 5th place...

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 16 Nov 2011, 14:22

James1978 wrote:The really scary thing about Renault is that if we'd still been on the 2003 - 09 points system, their last point would have been scored by Heidfeld for 8th at Silverstone!

With the 03-09 points system, the last point Williams would have scored would have been last year.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 16 Nov 2011, 15:41

redbulljack14 wrote:
James1978 wrote:The really scary thing about Renault is that if we'd still been on the 2003 - 09 points system, their last point would have been scored by Heidfeld for 8th at Silverstone!

With the 03-09 points system, the last point Williams would have scored would have been last year.

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 17 Nov 2011, 00:37

redbulljack14 wrote:
James1978 wrote:The really scary thing about Renault is that if we'd still been on the 2003 - 09 points system, their last point would have been scored by Heidfeld for 8th at Silverstone!

With the 03-09 points system, the last point Williams would have scored would have been last year.

That is awful...

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 17 Nov 2011, 00:38

AdrianSutil wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:
James1978 wrote:The really scary thing about Renault is that if we'd still been on the 2003 - 09 points system, their last point would have been scored by Heidfeld for 8th at Silverstone!

With the 03-09 points system, the last point Williams would have scored would have been last year.

That is awful...

It also shows how terribly predictable and reliable the races and cars are getting.

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 17 Nov 2011, 05:20

redbulljack14 wrote:
James1978 wrote:The really scary thing about Renault is that if we'd still been on the 2003 - 09 points system, their last point would have been scored by Heidfeld for 8th at Silverstone!

With the 03-09 points system, the last point Williams would have scored would have been last year.

Toro Rosso's last points would have been in 2008. Imagine that - Ricciardo and Vergne would already have been sacked!

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 17 Nov 2011, 08:00

the Masked Lapwing wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:
James1978 wrote:Toro Rosso's last points would have been in 2008. Imagine that - Ricciardo and Vergne would already have been sacked!

That's if they used the pre-2003 points. Otherwise they wouldn't have scored any points in 2009.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 08 Dec 2011, 22:32

British F1 fans were awfully spoiled in recent years and parts of me like that Sky/BBC deal just because it will hopefully teach them some humility.

Kamui Kobayashi will never be as good as Takuma Sato was

Jules Bianchi has more than enough talent to become France's next F1 world champion.

Minardi Man · Post by **Minardi Man** » 08 Dec 2011, 23:36

Jacques Villeneuve was a deserving champion, and should have won more than one championship.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 09 Dec 2011, 00:42

Klon wrote:Jules Bianchi has more than enough talent to become France's next F1 world champion.

If he stopped crashing every second week I might actually subscribe to that

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 09 Dec 2011, 02:20

Wizzie wrote:
Klon wrote:Jules Bianchi has more than enough talent to become France's next F1 world champion.

If he stopped crashing every second week I might actually subscribe to that

I think his last season went that way because he lacked experience. I wouldn't be surprised if Bianchi wins GP2 in 2012.

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 10 Dec 2011, 01:24

Well, he won't. Ferrari is pushing to get him in a car. My mind says FI or HRT! Or of course instead of Kobayashi in Sauber, or sadly in Williams.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 10 Dec 2011, 06:19

Myrvold wrote:Well, he won't. Ferrari is pushing to get him in a car. My mind says FI or HRT! Or of course instead of Kobayashi in Sauber, or sadly in Williams.

Williams taking money from Ferrari to put a driver in one of their cars?

WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN...

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 10 Dec 2011, 22:14

Yup, I know

Times has changed.

Post by **mario** » 11 Dec 2011, 10:40

Cynon wrote:
Myrvold wrote:Well, he won't. Ferrari is pushing to get him in a car. My mind says FI or HRT! Or of course instead of Kobayashi in Sauber, or sadly in Williams.

Williams taking money from Ferrari to put a driver in one of their cars?

WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN...

I know that Williams have been struggling in recent years and are now resorting to pay drivers, but surely Frank would draw the line at that, wouldn't he? Besides, whilst Bianchi may have gone through Ferrari's Young Driver program, Ferrari have been showing a fair amount of interest in Perez (and went as far as offering Perez the chance to test one of their cars).
So, the other option is that Ferrari might instead aim to poach Perez from Sauber next year as a replacement for Massa (I can't see Massa staying at Ferrari beyond next year), whilst Bianchi spends 2012 in GP2 and then gets a seat at Sauber for 2013 as a replacement for Perez. In some ways it would make more sense for Ferrari to do that, and there is a precedent for Sauber being used by Ferrari as a training ground (Felipe Massa).

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 11 Dec 2011, 19:46

mario wrote:(I can't see Massa staying at Ferrari beyond next year)

I don't think anyone in the world does.

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 12 Dec 2011, 02:06

redbulljack14 wrote:
mario wrote:(I can't see Massa staying at Ferrari beyond next year)

I don't think anyone in the world does.

To be honest, I'm surprised he's there in 2012.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 12 Dec 2011, 12:14

redbulljack14 wrote:
mario wrote:(I can't see Massa staying at Ferrari beyond next year)

I don't think anyone in the world does.

That would be implying Massa himself doesn't see his stay at Ferrari going beyond next year. Which it might turn out to be true.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 12 Dec 2011, 14:49

DanielPT wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:
mario wrote:(I can't see Massa staying at Ferrari beyond next year)

I don't think anyone in the world does.

That would be implying Massa himself doesn't see his stay at Ferrari going beyond next year. Which it might turn out to be true.

If I was Massa, i'd be grateful to still have a Ferrari seat in 2012.

TheBigJ · Post by **TheBigJ** » 12 Dec 2011, 16:28

Barichello is a waste of space.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 12 Dec 2011, 17:15

TheBigJ wrote:Barichello is a waste of space.

If this thread is a contest, then we have a winner right here.

Anyway:

Phoenix street circuit was pretty good.

aliefbielefeld · Post by **aliefbielefeld** » 12 Dec 2011, 17:35

Newbie's first post here

unpopular f1 opinions:

David Coulthard undoubtedly one of the sexiest man alive
Ferrari is Green
Ferrari F2002 only scores single point
Sebastian Vettel is a cockhead
Minardi had won 7 World Constructor's Championship,a record that only beaten by Andrea Moda with 11 WCC
Mclaren is from Somalia

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 12 Dec 2011, 17:53

1. Welcome.
2. Let's not be rude about others, whether we are fans of them or not.
3. Some of yours are just fiction (not the same as unpopular) but would be very popular if true (Minardi and Andrea Moda... :roll:

).

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 12 Dec 2011, 18:55

aliefbielefeld wrote:David Coulthard undoubtedly one of the sexiest man alive

dr-baker wrote:1. Welcome.
2. Let's not be rude about others, whether we are fans of them or not.
3. Some of yours are just fiction (not the same as unpopular) but would be very popular if true (Minardi and Andrea Moda... ).

That quote, dr-baker, doesn't necessarily mean that aliefbielefeld is female, although one might say it is an understandable precipitation!

Post by **Londoner** » 12 Dec 2011, 19:04

aliefbielefeld wrote:Sebastian Vettel is a cockhead

Welcome to the forum, but I'd suggest you find a place to hide from the papayas being thrown by a certain Finnish member of the forum for that opinion...

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 12 Dec 2011, 19:19

TheBigJ wrote:Barrichello has been a waste of space since the millennium started.

Fixed.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 12 Dec 2011, 19:39

Cynon wrote:
TheBigJ wrote:Button has been a waste of space since the millennium started.

Fixed.

Even more so fixed

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 12 Dec 2011, 22:11

Klon wrote:
Cynon wrote:
TheBigJ wrote:Button has been a waste of space since the millennium started.

Fixed.

Even more so fixed

Now THAT is harsh my friend.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 12 Dec 2011, 22:30

DanielPT wrote:
aliefbielefeld wrote:David Coulthard undoubtedly one of the sexiest man alive

dr-baker wrote:1. Welcome.
2. Let's not be rude about others, whether we are fans of them or not.
3. Some of yours are just fiction (not the same as unpopular) but would be very popular if true (Minardi and Andrea Moda... ).

That quote, dr-baker, doesn't necessarily mean that aliefbielefeld is female, although one might say it is an understandable precipitation!

Since when did I suggest that aliefbielefeld was female? Might be a gay man for all we know!

Shadaza · Post by **Shadaza** » 12 Dec 2011, 22:32

Tony Fernandes is a clown and the biggest corporate leach in the F1 paddock.

1 lap qualifying was the best qualifying system they ever had.

Jules Bianchi is not the 2nd coming of Christ.

and.....Kobayashi is overated and Sauber have the weakest line up on the grid, (HRT pending)