F1RWRS -- 2014 Season

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 21 Nov 2011, 16:23

MinardiFan95 wrote:Here's my attempt at the Prospec livery, based on the livery that Warren Hughes posted earlier + some of the original Prospec sponsors from TOCA3. Hopefully this works without the colours becoming something else entirely like last season's livery.

http://www.mediafire.com/?5ey5iqr99g4m4hn

I approve of this. Thank you

(And yes we do have sponsors after all!)

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 21 Nov 2011, 23:17

I have a question; how do you want me to handle the weather??

a) Put whatever it comes to my mind; based on my criteria (for example, I´d never race a Mexican GP or the race at Long Beach as wet races, and other places would get more chances of getting wet races, but with no more than 5-6 wet races during a season)

b) Put the real weather as I run the races. Example: If we´re going to race Adelaide, I would use current weather for PreQ (dry), forecast in a few hours for Q1 (dry), forecast for tomorrow for Q2, forecast for the day after tomorrow for the race.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 21 Nov 2011, 23:27

Aerond wrote:I have a question; how do you want me to handle the weather??

a) Put whatever it comes to my mind; based on my criteria (for example, I´d never race a Mexican GP or the race at Long Beach as wet races, and other places would get more chances of getting wet races, but with no more than 5-6 wet races during a season)

b) Put the real weather as I run the races. Example: If we´re going to race Adelaide, I would use current weather for PreQ (dry), forecast in a few hours for Q1 (dry), forecast for tomorrow for Q2, forecast for the day after tomorrow for the race.

What forecast are you using? There are chances of showers in Adelaide today :lol:

Either way I choose option B

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 21 Nov 2011, 23:29

I for my part choose Option A - Option B just has too many inherent problems ... namely snow races when we are in Europe, since you will most likely simulate these in December-January. And while there have been some development as far as snowy tracks in GP2 goes, it's still not that thrilling.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 21 Nov 2011, 23:37

Klon wrote:I for my part choose Option A - Option B just has too many inherent problems ... namely snow races when we are in Europe, since you will most likely simulate these in December-January. And while there have been some development as far as snowy tracks in GP2 goes, it's still not that thrilling.

Well, if it was snowy I would put wet races, of course, but anyway, I see the same problem with European races being them all but Cyprus wet.

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 22 Nov 2011, 00:15

Option B would be interesting. With the European winter just around the corner, I predict most European races are going to be wet. I'd use the iPhone app for weather updates, it's pretty accurate and you can find any place in the world with it

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 22 Nov 2011, 00:25

PRE-SEASON TESTING #3. Yeongam

Organised as a mid stop between Europe and Australia for the European-based teams, the last official pre-season test has left a few surprises along the way, althogh not at the very top, where MRT keeps on topping the time sheets with dry weather, with the DGNgineering cars reasonably close. This week we´ve seen the rise of the HRT´s, a few signs of recovery by Foxdale and a troubled test session for both Sunshine drivers. Along the new teams, only the Acuri drivers seem to be on pace with the midfield, the rest will have serious trouble getting into qualifying, at least while MRT are topping the top 2 positions in PreQ.

1. Phillippe Nicolas (MRT) -- 1.51.654
2. Mark Dagnall (DGNgineering) -- 1.52.613
3. Nathanael Spencer (MRT) -- 1.52.736
4. Nathan Scott (DGNgineering) -- 1.52.976
5. Rhys Davies (HRT) -- 1.53.732
6. Ashley Watkinson (HRT) -- 1.53.978
7. Sammy Jones (Jones) -- 1.54.333
8. Barri Mori (Kamaha) -- 1.54.608
9. Jack Christopherson (Foxdale) -- 1.54.901
10. Aurelian Moll (Gillet) -- 1.54.942
11. Thomas de Bock (Gillet) -- 1.55.093
12. Douglas Mann (Foxdale) -- 1.55.137
13. Ron Mignolet (Acuri) -- 1.55.286
14. Phoenix McAllister (Phoenix) -- 1.55.457
15. Frank Zimmer (GRM) -- 1.55.491
16. Shinobu Katayama (Sunshine) -- 1.55.526
17. Gary Cameron (Prospec) -- 1.55.535
18. Daniel Melrose (Jones) -- 1.55.770
19. Daniel Martins (Arrowtech) -- 1.55.935
20. Kay Lon (Sunshine) -- 1.56.013
21. Jesus Plaza (ARC) -- 1.56.090
22. Mirko Bosevic (Arrowtech) -- 1.56.207
23. Colin Pratchett (ARC) -- 1.56.364
24. Poppy Whitechapel (GRM) -- 1.56.493
25. The Stig (Phoenix) -- 1.56.530
26. Nicolas Steele (Kamaha) -- 1.56.613
27. Andrea Acuri (Acuri) -- 1.57.092
28. Dave Simpson (Prospec) -- 1.57.529
29. Saeed Al Faisal (Mecha) -- 1.57.849
30. Giovanni Roda (Trueba) -- 1.57.895
31. Fredo Mestolio (Trueba) -- 1.58.325
32. Matthias Valsattis (Mitie) -- 1.58.450
33. James Davies (Mecha) -- 1.59.210
34. Alexey Pchelintsev (Mitie) -- 1.59.245
35. Tomislaw Tajner (Dofasco) -- 1.59.567
36. Hagane Shizuka (Shonan) -- 1.59.688
37. Francois Albertini (Shonan) -- 1.59.883
38. Yu Hiang Hao (Dofasco) -- 1.59.899
39. Darren Older Jr (Tropico) -- 2.01.369
40. Miko Fakkinen (Tropico) -- 2.01.646

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 22 Nov 2011, 00:37

Daniel Melrose wrote:I hated driving this track in 2010 and I still hate it now. Strangely, I just couldn't get the car to work at all over the course of the two days. Thankfully, neither this track or the Valencia street circuit are on the calendar so I shouldn't have too many problems with tracks that I don't like.

Onto MRT and it's business as usual again. Phillippe, like we suggested last time out, has reached that new level in his driving where he can simply do no wrong and as a result he's getting the most out of the car. Nathaniel, whilst still doing a good job, could easily find another second in the car as he has vastly more experience than Phillippe.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 22 Nov 2011, 01:30

Sammy Jones wrote:Very happy with 7th overall, especially as all Mori can see is my lovely rear end! And Christ Almighty what is McAllister doing up there in 14th?! I might actually see him out on track this year if he can stop eating and start driving like that all season! As for Daniel, whilst he dislikes the circuit, we were both able to complete some very good runs and now have more than enough data to go into the first race with, hopefully the schedule we've conducted will play into our hands once things get down to business! Let's get this season underway!

Jack O Melley · Post by **Jack O Melley** » 22 Nov 2011, 04:02

Giovanni Roda wrote:Well, we're slowly sliding back to the positions we were used to last year...

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 22 Nov 2011, 07:12

We suck, we suck, we suck, and hey, we suck!

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 22 Nov 2011, 14:25

Pippa Mann, Foxdale Auto Racing Team boss wrote:Well, 9th from Mr Christopherson is a bit better than 32nd last time out. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come (an upwards trajectory...) but there is still room (and budget, I believe) for further improvement...

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 22 Nov 2011, 15:27

Any extra opinions on the weather thing?

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 22 Nov 2011, 15:35

Aerond wrote:Along the new teams, only the Acuri drivers seem to be on pace with the midfield, the rest will have serious trouble getting into qualifying, at least while MRT are topping the top 2 positions in PreQ.

Thanks for unwittingly reminding me - I was to propose a new style of prequalifying. I would say we now have two changes of the pre-qualifying teams, one after five and the second one after six (after the eleventh race); that way we can reduce the odds of a team dominating pre-qualifying and ruining the point of it.

Meanwhile a random press camera caught Lon saying:

Kay Lon wrote:This situation seems awfully familiar...

When talked to it about that, he just responded:

Kay Lon wrote:I have no idea what you are talking about. No, I really don't, I have never said such a thing. Now, let's concentrate on the most important thing: this test says nothing about our ability. We do not race on this track at all, so it doesn't matter how we fared here. The car and the team are still looking good.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 22 Nov 2011, 15:36

Aerond wrote:Any extra opinions on the weather thing?

Just use option A since we simulate a year long season and doing B we would end up with too much wet races when we simulate a season in the winter and too much dry races when in the Summer.

Pointrox · Post by **Pointrox** » 22 Nov 2011, 15:41

Hagane Shizuka wrote:We suck, we suck, we suck, and hey, we suck!

Francois Albertini wrote:I agree.
Never thought about that, but Shonan's livery is painted in colours of Monaco flag...

Nevermind.
I just hope our deal with Folgers will result in a brand new coffee machine in our motorhome - I'm fed up with this watery crap.

Pointrox · Post by **Pointrox** » 22 Nov 2011, 15:43

Mirko Bosevic wrote:I've been racing powerboats while on retirement so I'm not really used to dry surfaces.
But it was a good day.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 22 Nov 2011, 15:45

DanielPT wrote:
Aerond wrote:Any extra opinions on the weather thing?

Just use option A since we simulate a year long season and doing B we would end up with too much wet races when we simulate a season in the winter and too much dry races when in the Summer.

I agree with that, we don't want the season being a washout!

Also I like Klon's prequalifying idea, because now we'll just have what we had last year with CJR in the first half and Foxdale in the second, now with MRT who are going to clear it easily. Whilst I wouldn't want results to be all over the place and not have any consistency, it's perhaps not that fair for those more recent teams that all the established teams dominate proceedings, plus it's not much fun for those respective members! I think the two changes rather than one would be a great idea.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 22 Nov 2011, 16:30

AndreaModa wrote:
DanielPT wrote:
Aerond wrote:Any extra opinions on the weather thing?

Just use option A since we simulate a year long season and doing B we would end up with too much wet races when we simulate a season in the winter and too much dry races when in the Summer.

I agree with that, we don't want the season being a washout!

Also I like Klon's prequalifying idea, because now we'll just have what we had last year with CJR in the first half and Foxdale in the second, now with MRT who are going to clear it easily. Whilst I wouldn't want results to be all over the place and not have any consistency, it's perhaps not that fair for those more recent teams that all the established teams dominate proceedings, plus it's not much fun for those respective members! I think the two changes rather than one would be a great idea.

I don´t know what to think about that, we could end with the same last year situation as well if any of the top teams fail to finish in the first few races.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 22 Nov 2011, 17:27

Aerond wrote:I don´t know what to think about that, we could end with the same last year situation as well if any of the top teams fail to finish in the first few races.

Well, that is true. That is always a risk if there is a selection of participants for PQ - the only way to avoid that would be to have everyone participate in PQ. But with a second filter of said participants, the risk of having a too powerful team ruining PQ is reduced.

Post by **tommykl** » 22 Nov 2011, 18:35

For PreQ, why not change it every four races and, instead of just taking the lowest ranked teams, take out the two or three teams that made it through the most and then put the worst teams that weren't in PreQ back in?

Also, here is a corrected livery for Gillet.

I fixed the numbers.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 22 Nov 2011, 19:19

based on what? Qualifying pace?? It doesn´t make sense to me, because it would penalise those teams which deserved to stay through making it to the end of the races and points finishes.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 22 Nov 2011, 20:02

Aerond wrote:based on what? Qualifying pace?? It doesn´t make sense to me, because it would penalise those teams which deserved to stay through making it to the end of the races and points finishes.

Absolutely, I don't think you could do it that way, better to either keep it as it is or increase the changes to two per season rather than one at the moment.

SuperAguri · Post by **SuperAguri** » 22 Nov 2011, 20:24

This is a Radical thought, why not instead make the top teams prequalify and let the slowest teams straight into qualifying. This is F1 Rejects and not F1 Super Top Team after all :mrgreen:

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 22 Nov 2011, 20:31

SuperAguri wrote:This is a Radical thought, why not instead make the top teams prequalify and let the slowest teams straight into qualifying. This is F1 Rejects and not F1 Super Top Team after all

That would be the greatest thing ever but there'ld be a riot if it were to ever happen :lol:

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 22 Nov 2011, 20:37

Wizzie wrote:
SuperAguri wrote:This is a Radical thought, why not instead make the top teams prequalify and let the slowest teams straight into qualifying. This is F1 Rejects and not F1 Super Top Team after all

That would be the greatest thing ever but there'ld be a riot if it were to ever happen

Well then, let's start a riot...

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 22 Nov 2011, 21:43

Klon wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
SuperAguri wrote:This is a Radical thought, why not instead make the top teams prequalify and let the slowest teams straight into qualifying. This is F1 Rejects and not F1 Super Top Team after all

That would be the greatest thing ever but there'ld be a riot if it were to ever happen

Well then, let's start a riot...

Obvious fix...

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 22 Nov 2011, 21:56

I´ve come up with a formula I think everyone will like. Every race we take the best Prequalifier directly into Qualifying for the next meeting, and the worst Qualifier (by combined times, as usual) into PreQualifying for the next meeting. After 8 races (as it is now), we take the worst 9 teams (as it is now), into PreQ and we start the cycle again.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 22 Nov 2011, 22:08

Oh stop trying to complicate things. KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid... :roll:

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 22 Nov 2011, 22:18

dr-baker wrote:Oh stop trying to complicate things. KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid...

It´s not me who started this PreQ thing!

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 22 Nov 2011, 22:29

Don't listen to him, I like that idea.

Although thinking about it for a while leads to the realisation that it will make switching the teams after the eight race rather redundant since the good teams will by that time have left PQ behind them anyhow.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 22 Nov 2011, 22:42

I agree, Aerond that's a great idea, and I think the mid-season switch should still take place, as you're bound to get weird results sometimes and anomalies so the switch keeps things consistent.

Pointrox · Post by **Pointrox** » 22 Nov 2011, 22:52

dr-baker wrote:Oh stop trying to complicate things. KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid...

I second that.

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 22 Nov 2011, 22:57

I like Aerond's idea. Because that way we might actually have surprises in PQ.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 22 Nov 2011, 23:01

I also agree with the idea. It'll Save MRT having to do an extra session each weekend :lol:

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 22 Nov 2011, 23:22

I personally like the idea of redrawing prequalifying every 4 races based on race results

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 23 Nov 2011, 00:13

Ok, so... regarding weather: Option A - Whatever comes to mind, with a smart choice of wet sessions along the season based on geography and supposed time of the year. For PreQ, the carset will be Dry if the session is Dry, and Wet if the session is Humid or Wet. For the rest of the weekend, Carset will be dry if all of the sessions are Dry, or if one of the qualifying sessions and the race are dry, or if both qualifyings are Dry and race is Humid. For any other combination the carset will be Wet.

As for PreQ: The best PreQ team avoids PreQ for the next race; and the worst team in Qualifying will have to face PreQ for the next race. This rule will not apply after races 8 and 16. We´ll have the usual switch every 8 races.

I will race the Tasman GP tomorrow!!

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 23 Nov 2011, 00:37

F1RWRS 2014 - ROUND 1 - TASMAN GP - Adelaide

Weather forecast:

PreQ: Wet
Q1: Humid
Q2: Dry
Race: Dry

PRE-QUALIFYING
Drivers in bold qualified. In Italic skip Round 2 PreQ

1. Phillippe Nicolas (MRT) -- 1.20.446
2. Ron Mignolet (Acuri) -- 1.21.533 (+1.087)
3. Phoenix McAllister (Phoenix) -- 1.22.282 (+1.836)
4. Nathanael Spencer (MRT) -- 1.22.568 (+2.122)
5. The Stig (Phoenix) -- 1.23.429 (+2.983)
6. Giovanni Roda (Trueba) -- 1.24.112 (+3.666)
7. Saeed Al Faisal (Mecha) -- 1.24.556 (+4.110)
8. James Davies (Mecha) -- 1.24.828 (+4.382)
9. Andrea Acuri (Acuri) -- 1.24.829 (+4.383)
10. Hagane Shizuka (Shonan) -- 1.24.947 (+4.501)
11. Alexey Pchelintsev (Mitie) -- 1.25.148 (+4.702)
12. Matthias Valsattis (Mitie) -- 1.25.381 (+4.935)
13. Yu- Hiang Hao (Dofasco) -- 1.25.420 (+4.974)
14. Tomislaw Tajner (Dofasco) -- 1.25.901 (+5.455)
15. Fredo Mestolio (Trueba) -- 1.25.906 (+5.460)
16. Francois Albertini (Shonan) -- 1.26.025 (+5.579)
17. Miko Fakkinen (Tropico) -- 1.27.255 (+6.809)
18. Darren Older Jr (Tropico) -- 1.31.041 (+10.595)

QUALIFYING

Sunshine will have to face Pre-Qualifying in Bathurst instead of MRT as the worst team in Qualifying (Phoenix and Acuri did worse combined times, but they already are in Pre-Qualifying)

RACE

Nicolas managed to pass Spencer at the start, and Mark Dagnall passed Nathan Scott as well. Spencer was able to re-pass Nicolas at the end of the Brabham straight.

Soon both MRT´s gained a few seconds which allowed them to keep the top positions. Zimmer managed to pass Bosevic for 6th in lap 4. In lap 5, everything was going normal but Spencer went too agressive over a kerb and spun, falling to 14th!!

In lap 9, Whitechapel confirmed an excellent beggining by climbing up to 9th. Kay Lon had to pit to fix a problem with the brakes.
Lap 10 situation:

Spencer quickly recovered and by lap 12 he was already 7th, passing Bosevic for 6th in lap 14, but the first error was costing him too much time and, trying to go that extra inch he went wide at turn 1 in lap 15 and had to let pass loads of cars to safely go back into track and falling to 20th!

The three stoppers started to pit on lap 19. Christopherson stopped on lap 21, and when he came out, he did too slowly and Nathan Scott spun at the first corner to avoid crashing with him, but keeping 3rd place.

One lap later, Plaza was the very first man to retire in 2014. Most of the guys went for two, with MRT commiting a childish mistake and making lose Nicolas 4 secs at the stop on lap 29 while the team finished with Spencer. Steele spun and Dagnall came into the pits too, exiting around 11.5 secs behind Nicolas.

On lap 31 Scott spun while approaching the first chicane with the tyres cold after his pitstop and, trying to recover, Whitechapel ran into the back of the DGN and both drivers retired inmediately. Frank Zimmer´s GRM failed a few seconds before the incident, so both GRM´s were out in a few seconds lapse.

Few moments later, Kay Lon lost control of the Sunshine and had to pit for a new Front Wing. On lap 33, while running 5th, Spencer suffered an engine failure and had to retire:

Lap 40:

Next few laps were a bit boring at the front, with an interesting fight back between the 8th and 13th taking place for a chance of snapping one point later. There were not many surprises in the 2nd round of stops, while Phoenix McAllister retired on lap 55 when he had a chance to score. Moll and Mori were next to retire.

Kamaha´s disgrace weren´t complete, as Steele also retired on lap 68 and turned a simple retirement into a bizarre and dangerous incident. He kept his car running after the hairpin at the end of the Brabham straight in the middle of the road instead of parking anywhere. De Bock and Christopherson spun and then Mark Dagnall spun too, hitting Christopherson in the process and retiring the ex-F1 driver from his debut. Dagnall and De Bock were lucky enough to continue!

Lap 70:

That was not all, in the last few laps Watkinson had to pit to fix a problem, as well as Mark Dagnall. Davies and Bosevic also retired, losing a very good chance to score...

All in all, it was a great win for Nicolas, who was never put in danger by Mark Dagnall, and a very entertaining race at the middle of the pack with Katayama making good her three stop strategy although she wasn´t fast at the beggining and Watkinson and De Bock saving points after the incidents they suffered.
On the negative side, Sammy Jones never looked into the fight, and Kay Lon´s race was simply disastrous.

FASTEST LAP: Nathanael Spencer (MRT) -- 1.13.009
ROTR: Nicolas Steele - His dangerous maneouver caused a multiple accident and could have been very dangerous.

STANDINGS - After 1 race -

DRIVERS

1. Phillippe Nicolas - 10 pts
2. Mark Dagnall - 6 pts
3. Daniel Melrose - 4 pts
4. Shinobu Katayama - 3 pts
5. Ashley Watkinson - 2 pts
6. Thomas de Bock - 1 pt

CONSTRUCTORS

1. MRT - 10 pts
2. DGNgineering - 6 pts
3. Jones - 4 pts
4. Sunshine - 3 pts
5. HRT - 2 pts
6. Gillet - 1 pt

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 23 Nov 2011, 00:46

Aw shite. I have absolutely no confidence that MRT will have any pace in the wet if Pre-Season testing is anything to go by?

And what's the difference between dry and humid?

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 23 Nov 2011, 00:48

Wizzie wrote:And what's the difference between dry and humid?

Drivers will have an excuse for their horrible performance. :lol:

Oh by the way, aerond, if you actually differ between Q1 and Q2, do you think we can get both times either?