F1RWRS -- 2014 Season

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 26 Dec 2011, 22:37

AndreaModa wrote:
Warren Hughes wrote:This loophole needs to be closed whereby struggling teams can shut down, then the team owner can return with a new team and get 1000 credits straight off the bat. It isn't fair for those of us who try to keep teams going on a shoestring with no chance of ever being able to afford a chassis and engine that are actually competitive.

Agreed.

Are you boycotting me? I thought we were enemies no more :twisted:

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 26 Dec 2011, 22:50

Phoenix wrote:
AndreaModa wrote:
Warren Hughes wrote:This loophole needs to be closed whereby struggling teams can shut down, then the team owner can return with a new team and get 1000 credits straight off the bat. It isn't fair for those of us who try to keep teams going on a shoestring with no chance of ever being able to afford a chassis and engine that are actually competitive.

Agreed.

Are you boycotting me? I thought we were enemies no more

Oh no, it's nothing to do with that, it just sets a precedent that would make it very unfair, particularly for members like Warren Hughes and others who struggle on. Besides, it's better to have a series full of established names that carry history with them, even if they have lean periods, like Prospec at the moment. However with Aerond's corrections to the consistency of drivers which will come in for the next race, we should see drivers like Cameron, McAllister, Melrose, Jones, etc perform more akin to their histories as successful racing drivers, so you may not even have to close the team!

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 26 Dec 2011, 22:55

Warren Hughes wrote:This loophole needs to be closed whereby struggling teams can shut down, then the team owner can return with a new team and get 1000 credits straight off the bat. It isn't fair for those of us who try to keep teams going on a shoestring with no chance of ever being able to afford a chassis and engine that are actually competitive.

I fail to see the problem, honestly, because I would bet a lot on aerond reading Phoenix's "first dibs" on the 2016 entries as "first dibs after everybody who has not gotten an entry for 2015". Assuming that there are three users waiting for an entry and not getting one for 2015, you can safely assume that it will take some time before Phoenix's turn arrives since there won't be anywhere near as much change in the grid spaces from 2015 onwards with every user having only one team and 20 teams at most, which means we will see Aeroracing Engineering on the grid at the earliest in the 2020 season. :lol:

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 26 Dec 2011, 22:59

Revised press release regarding DGNgineering second seat

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 26 Dec 2011, 22:59

Klon wrote:
Warren Hughes wrote:This loophole needs to be closed whereby struggling teams can shut down, then the team owner can return with a new team and get 1000 credits straight off the bat. It isn't fair for those of us who try to keep teams going on a shoestring with no chance of ever being able to afford a chassis and engine that are actually competitive.

I fail to see the problem, honestly, because I would bet a lot on aerond reading Phoenix's "first dibs" on the 2016 entries as "first dibs after everybody who has not gotten an entry for 2015". Assuming that there are three users waiting for an entry and not getting one for 2015, you can safely assume that it will take some time before Phoenix's turn arrives since there won't be anywhere near as much change in the grid spaces from 2015 onwards with every user having only one team and 20 teams at most, which means we will see Aeroracing Engineering on the grid at the earliest in the 2020 season.

The thing is, that shouldn't happen on paper at least. Or, guess what, if forming a new team doesn't work, jack off, I'll rename it with this name and use a new color scheme :lol:

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 26 Dec 2011, 23:15

Phoenix wrote:
Klon wrote:
Warren Hughes wrote:This loophole needs to be closed whereby struggling teams can shut down, then the team owner can return with a new team and get 1000 credits straight off the bat. It isn't fair for those of us who try to keep teams going on a shoestring with no chance of ever being able to afford a chassis and engine that are actually competitive.

I fail to see the problem, honestly, because I would bet a lot on aerond reading Phoenix's "first dibs" on the 2016 entries as "first dibs after everybody who has not gotten an entry for 2015". Assuming that there are three users waiting for an entry and not getting one for 2015, you can safely assume that it will take some time before Phoenix's turn arrives since there won't be anywhere near as much change in the grid spaces from 2015 onwards with every user having only one team and 20 teams at most, which means we will see Aeroracing Engineering on the grid at the earliest in the 2020 season.

The thing is, that shouldn't happen on paper at least. Or, guess what, if forming a new team doesn't work, jack off, I'll rename it with this name and use a new color scheme

Well, Klon is right. First, Waiting list for 2016 will open when 2015 Pre-season testing is happening and assuming not everyone in the 2015 waiting list gets an entry, then that people will have priority. It´s very unfair for people who tries to run smaller teams to see things like this and I think you haven´t tried hard enough, given Phoenix state of form this year is better than in 2013, and PreQualifying isn´t as hard as last season, and the fact you´re currently using a pay driver which will keep credits coming in. Second, no way there´s going to be a transfer ammount of credits, it´s simply down to DanielPT whether if he wants to try to refloat your team or prefers a clean start. Of course, you can rewind and keep going with your team if you want to, after all, the entry is yours for now.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 26 Dec 2011, 23:24

OK. I guess I'm just way too competitive...

This is what I'll do:
-I will rename the team to Aeroracing Engineering for next year, but it will be basically the same team. I'll do likewise for my F2 and F3RWRS entries.
-The Stig will be replaced after this season (but please don't tell him) with either Tanner Jason or Niko Bellic, both of which will be, of course, pay drivers, since there's a long way to go with the package I will have to run for the foreseeable future.
-I'll relocate to Coventry and use the referred design team.
-I'll sport a new livery with Repsol and Dark Dog (basically the Seat Córdoba WRC livery :lol:

) since Red Bull and Camel are departing due to the lack of results.
-The new car will be renamed ARE-01. The F2 and F3RWRS chassis will be dubbed ARE-01/2 and ARE-01/3.
-Needless to say, McAllister will keep driving for the team.
-No one can buy the team. It's not for sale.
-Sammy Jones can go home with Colin Kolles.

Oh, a question. After which race The Stig will pay up and I'll be able to upgrade the chassis? And, how much power improvement can I still extract from the engine?

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 26 Dec 2011, 23:26

If I were you, I wouldn't promote either of your F2RWRS drivers for the foreseeable future because I'm about to make my announcement concerning the F2RWRS.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 26 Dec 2011, 23:33

DGNGINEERING TO EMPLOY BEN FLEET

In a short press release, DGNgineering has announced that pay-driver Ben Fleet will get on the 2nd car from Long Beach on. Nathan Scott departed from the team earlier this week as Chris Dagnall announced the team needed some money to invest on reliability. It´s unclear if Scott will continue under Dagnall´s management.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 26 Dec 2011, 23:40

Phoenix wrote:Sammy Jones can go home with Colin Kolles.

Oi! And I was really looking forward to the possibilities of having you as a teammate next year! Fireworks would have been an understatement! :lol:

I'll do a logo for you though if you want. Did you want the Repsol and Dark Dog logos in there too?

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 26 Dec 2011, 23:41

Wizzie wrote:If I were you, I wouldn't promote either of your F2RWRS drivers for the foreseeable future because I'm about to make my announcement concerning the F2RWRS.

Well, then stop stalling and hurry up...
Hey, AndreaModa, you could consider re-hiring Kay Lon, that would be interesting as well.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 26 Dec 2011, 23:47

AndreaModa wrote:
Phoenix wrote:Sammy Jones can go home with Colin Kolles.

Oi! And I was really looking forward to the possibilities of having you as a teammate next year! Fireworks would have been an understatement!

I'll do a logo for you though if you want. Did you want the Repsol and Dark Dog logos in there too?

No, only the name, thank you! And I was joking, McAllister doesn't want to be enemies with Jones anymore

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 27 Dec 2011, 00:04

Klon wrote:
Wizzie wrote:If I were you, I wouldn't promote either of your F2RWRS drivers for the foreseeable future because I'm about to make my announcement concerning the F2RWRS.

Well, then stop stalling and hurry up...
Hey, AndreaModa, you could consider re-hiring Kay Lon, that would be interesting as well.

I've stopped stalling so get over to the F2RWRS thread and make your judgement

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 27 Dec 2011, 00:04

dr-baker, in light of Wizzie's recent announcement concerning F2RWRS drivers, would you like Pippa Mann to drive for my team next season as a pay driver? :lol:

SuperAguri · Post by **SuperAguri** » 27 Dec 2011, 00:13

Barii Mori wrote:To say I am pleased is an understatement, two races, two hard won podiums, 5th in the constructors championship. I feel like we are biting at the heels of the top teams and I am sure me or Steele will get a win this year. All I want to say is the person who said that "It is marginal if Kamaha will score 15 points this season", well if we failed to score 15 points by the end of the season then I will eat my underpants after a long 2 hour race and if we do then I'll make you eat it.

Prince Falik wrote:[puff puff puff]What? The race is finished?[puff puff puff] I got here as soon as I can, just had breakfast with the presidents of Nigeria, South Africa and Botswana. It's tough being a successful businessman.[puff puff puff]. I will be at the next race and Martins and our second driver better be quaking in their boots.

Sunshine Management wrote:Sunshine Infiniti to sell team.
After another poor qualifying performance and race, Nissan have decided to sell the team off. However there are conditions to any would be buyer.

1 - Shinobu Katayama, unless signed by a team who score more points then Sunshine this year. Must have her 2015 contract honoured.
2 - The 2015 car must use the same Chassis and Engine as they are doing this year. (You'd be better off improving it anyway).
3 - The team must keep their UK base as well as not fire any of the workforce, although the team were purchased from Australian Minardi, Paul Stoddart set the team up in the UK where the European F3000 team were based, with an office in Melbourne, Australia (although this has now closed).
4 - The transfer must take place this season, both Shinobu Katayama and Kay Lon have contracts for this season. You may not sack either of them this season. Although you can negoiate with Kay Lon.

We have enjoyed racing and will continue until the team is sold.

Aerond wrote:DGNGINEERING TO REPLACE NATHAN SCOTT

Prince Saeed Al Faisal would like to be considered for this seat, he currently has the right licence and is fed up of driving a crap car that has no chance of getting out of prequalifying. He has quite a large cheque book too and is keen to drive for the team he wanted to drive for last season.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 27 Dec 2011, 00:21

Sunshine uses a turbo engine. Therefore condition 2 is null and void :lol:

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 27 Dec 2011, 00:25

Of Aerond allows it I would like to buy Sunshine Infiniti.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 27 Dec 2011, 00:27

eurobrun wrote:Of Aerond allows it I would like to buy Sunshine Infiniti.

DanielPT has preference.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 27 Dec 2011, 00:33

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 27 Dec 2011, 01:17

Autosport wrote:McKane interested in F1RWRS drive

2010 Formula One World Champion Nathan McKane is reportedly interested in joining the F1RWRS for the DGNineering team. McKane has reportedly told press in the United Kingdom that he'll consider joining the F1RWRS but only if he gets a race winning drive straight away. McKane was unavailable for comment.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 27 Dec 2011, 01:29

Wizzie wrote:
Autosport wrote:McKane interested in F1RWRS drive

2010 Formula One World Champion Nathan McKane is reportedly interested in joining the F1RWRS for the DGNineering team.

Do we really have to consider that one as canon? I mean, Melrose winning everything is ridiculous, but a world champion running a HRT ... really? :lol:

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 27 Dec 2011, 01:34

Klon wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
Autosport wrote:McKane interested in F1RWRS drive

2010 Formula One World Champion Nathan McKane is reportedly interested in joining the F1RWRS for the DGNineering team.

Do we really have to consider that one as canon? I mean, Melrose winning everything is ridiculous, but a world champion running a HRT ... really?

Once I win the 2010 championship for Mercedes, we can rub that statistic out of the record books.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 27 Dec 2011, 01:38

Wizzie wrote:Once I win the 2010 championship for Mercedes, we can rub that statistic out of the record books.

Driving F1RWRS and F1 at the same time is a no-go. Otherwise, I'd be claiming my shot at the 2013 F1 Crown.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 27 Dec 2011, 01:40

Klon wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Once I win the 2010 championship for Mercedes, we can rub that statistic out of the record books.

Driving F1RWRS and F1 at the same time is a no-go. Otherwise, I'd be claiming my shot at the 2013 F1 Crown.

2010 is the exception that proves the rule. I did sod all in the F1RWRS and even missed the last 3 races so I need an excuse to cover up my bad performance

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 27 Dec 2011, 01:43

Wizzie wrote:2010 is the exception that proves the rule. I did sod all in the F1RWRS and even missed the last 3 races so I need an excuse to cover up my bad performance

Well, I have a good excuse for your poor 2010 performance: Melrose blows! (nice headline - I will remember to use it later)
Even Kay Lon, just beginning his journey to becoming the Best In The World™ with a poorly developed Kahama car beat him.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 27 Dec 2011, 02:03

By the way, please take a look at this "TV Money" proposal I have for you. It would act as the equaliser money we were talking about before.

There would be a pot of 5500 credits in TV Money to give, with the last classified teams receiving more.

20th -- 400 cr.
19th -- 390 cr.
18th -- 380
17th -- 370
16th -- 360
15th -- 350
14th -- 340
13th -- 330
12th -- 320
11th -- 310
10th -- 300
9th -- 280
8th -- 260
7th -- 240
6th -- 220
5th -- 200
4th -- 180
3rd -- 150
2nd -- 120
Winner -- None.

If a team doesn´t continue (this is a team closing with a new team joining as a new entry, instead of taking over an entry), the money will be equally shared between all teams, including the winner. For example, if DGNgineering decides to close the team at the end of the season, and DGNgineering finishes 18th, then every other team would receive 380/19 = 20 extra credits each.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 27 Dec 2011, 02:14

Aerond wrote:
eurobrun wrote:Of Aerond allows it I would like to buy Sunshine Infiniti.

DanielPT has preference.

And if he turns it down, I'm next!

As the F1RWRS rules have noted, rule #2 is voided. Which means if I were to pick up their place the Nissan turbos from this year will run unbadged, and be replaced next season!

The UK base will be retained, however some staff there will be moved to Alitalia's larger facility in Parma, and the F2RWRS team will be moved to the UK with F1RWRS running from Parma from 2015.

We would also like clarification of Katayama's contract, with regards to clauses that would cause "termination" of her contract i.e. if she could be placed on rotation.

Of course, if DanielPT accepts, disregard this statement.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 27 Dec 2011, 02:24

I thought if the first person in the line then anyone could claim the entry.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 27 Dec 2011, 02:29

eurobrun wrote:I thought if the first person in the line then anyone could claim the entry.

No, there was a priority list - first come first served. Here it is -

1. DanielPT
2. Kostas22
3. MinardiFan95
4. Eurobrun
5. This

As you can see, there will be a little bit of waiting for your turn!

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 27 Dec 2011, 02:33

kostas22 wrote:
eurobrun wrote:I thought if the first person in the line then anyone could claim the entry.

No, there was a list on this thread somewhere, with 5 people. First was DanielPT, then me, and some other people behind who I can no longer remember. Perhaps you're in that queue somewhere - but if you're not, it means you're going to start from the back of the line as sixth pick. It was several pages ago now...

And it was all before the Formula 1 Rejects Teams Association started up the fire on the equivalency issue. (Yes, it's like FOTA, except it's not run by a bunch of prats and we actually get stuff done

)

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 27 Dec 2011, 02:51

Wizzie wrote:And it was all before the Formula 1 Rejects Teams Association started up the fire on the equivalency issue. (Yes, it's like FOTA, except it's not run by a bunch of prats and we actually get stuff done )

Rumours about the last meeting ending in a binging session where Bari Morii and Sammy Jones told each other how much they love each other are, despite the successes of the teams in certain issues, quite exaggerated. :lol:

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 27 Dec 2011, 02:57

Klon wrote:
Wizzie wrote:And it was all before the Formula 1 Rejects Teams Association started up the fire on the equivalency issue. (Yes, it's like FOTA, except it's not run by a bunch of prats and we actually get stuff done )

Rumours about the last meeting ending in a binging session where Bari Morii and Sammy Jones told each other how much they love each other are, despite the successes of the teams in certain issues, quite exaggerated.

So THAT's why I was in such a bad mood after the race. Must have had a massive hangover all weekend :lol:

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 27 Dec 2011, 03:01

kostas22 wrote:
eurobrun wrote:I thought if the first person in the line then anyone could claim the entry.

No, there was a list on this thread somewhere, with 5 people. First was DanielPT, then me, and some other people behind who I can no longer remember. Perhaps you're in that queue somewhere - but if you're not, it means you're going to start from the back of the line as sixth pick. It was several pages ago now...

I think i'm 4th om the list
What I (incorrectly) thought is that if the first person in line turned down buying an existing team then anyone could buy that team.

Also, I think that priority for teams shouls be goven to people who have never had a driver ot team in F1RWRS before

SuperAguri · Post by **SuperAguri** » 27 Dec 2011, 03:23

It would be funny if MinardiFan95 bought the team as it was his team I bought the first time around, plus Australian Minardi needs a come back.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 27 Dec 2011, 07:53

Aerond wrote:By the way, please take a look at this "TV Money" proposal I have for you. It would act as the equaliser money we were talking about before.

There would be a pot of 5500 credits in TV Money to give, with the last classified teams receiving more.

20th -- 400 cr.
19th -- 390 cr.
18th -- 380
17th -- 370
16th -- 360
15th -- 350
14th -- 340
13th -- 330
12th -- 320
11th -- 310
10th -- 300
9th -- 280
8th -- 260
7th -- 240
6th -- 220
5th -- 200
4th -- 180
3rd -- 150
2nd -- 120
Winner -- None.

If a team doesn´t continue (this is a team closing with a new team joining as a new entry, instead of taking over an entry), the money will be equally shared between all teams, including the winner. For example, if DGNgineering decides to close the team at the end of the season, and DGNgineering finishes 18th, then every other team would receive 380/19 = 20 extra credits each.

Sounds good, maybe I can nab the 20th place... :lol:

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 27 Dec 2011, 11:40

SuperAguri wrote:
Sunshine Management wrote:Sunshine Infiniti to sell team.
After another poor qualifying performance and race, Nissan have decided to sell the team off. However there are conditions to any would be buyer.

1 - Shinobu Katayama, unless signed by a team who score more points then Sunshine this year. Must have her 2015 contract honoured.
2 - The 2015 car must use the same Chassis and Engine as they are doing this year. (You'd be better off improving it anyway).
3 - The team must keep their UK base as well as not fire any of the workforce, although the team were purchased from Australian Minardi, Paul Stoddart set the team up in the UK where the European F3000 team were based, with an office in Melbourne, Australia (although this has now closed).
4 - The transfer must take place this season, both Shinobu Katayama and Kay Lon have contracts for this season. You may not sack either of them this season. Although you can negoiate with Kay Lon.

We have enjoyed racing and will continue until the team is sold.

I am interested in buying Sunshine. Although I would prefer the option to change Chassis if a better one comes available. In exchange, I promise to keep the name Sunshine in the team for at least 2015. I agree with all the rest of the conditions. What do you say? (Also, can you tell me all the upgrades you bought?)

Pointrox · Post by **Pointrox** » 27 Dec 2011, 11:56

Francois Albertini is also willing to buy the team.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 27 Dec 2011, 12:35

Phoenix wrote:dr-baker, in light of Wizzie's recent announcement concerning F2RWRS drivers, would you like Pippa Mann to drive for my team next season as a pay driver?

Considering Pippa Mann is already an F1RWRS champion, I think that that precludes her from being a pay driver. And I haven't decided on my driver line-up for next year yet (other than the fact that Douglas Mann will be in one seat). But if she does not drive for her own team, you may give her a seat.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 27 Dec 2011, 17:31

Klon wrote:
Wizzie wrote:And it was all before the Formula 1 Rejects Teams Association started up the fire on the equivalency issue. (Yes, it's like FOTA, except it's not run by a bunch of prats and we actually get stuff done )

Rumours about the last meeting ending in a binging session where Bari Morii and Sammy Jones told each other how much they love each other are, despite the successes of the teams in certain issues, quite exaggerated.

Sammy Jones wrote:I'd like to entirely blame Barii Mori for Castrol Jones Racing's pathetic performance at Mexico last weekend.

By the way, I like the TV money idea Aerond, looks like the simplest and best way really!

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 27 Dec 2011, 18:12

Yeah I'm happy with the TV money too.