Singapore GP Discussion

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 26 Sep 2009, 08:13

I suppose this thread should exist. To be honest , I've reached a point where I think the Grands Prix are the least interesting part of F1. Strange and kind of sad, but true.

Anyhoo, place all your thoughts on the 2009 Singapore GP in the box provided.

Yannick · Post by **Yannick** » 26 Sep 2009, 08:37

It will be a more interesting race than Valencia 2009, with the exception of the unexpected surprise appearance of Luca Badoer in that race.

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 26 Sep 2009, 08:55

I do like those Canon logos on the Brawn. Something wonderfully retro about them. As Anthony Davidson said yesterday "a proper F1 sponsor."

Jordan192 · Post by **Jordan192** » 26 Sep 2009, 09:37

Paul Hayes wrote:I do like those Canon logos on the Brawn. Something wonderfully retro about them. As Anthony Davidson said yesterday "a proper F1 sponsor."

Aye, though I think they've been quite badly applied in terms of location and shaping. Modern sidepods aren't really a flat surface, so you either have to do weird distortions a la Red Bull, or it doesn't fit particularly well.

On the other hand, I've probably just spent way too much doing liveries for Live for Speed and Forza 2...

Debaser · Post by **Debaser** » 26 Sep 2009, 09:42

I'm watching this hours after everyone else today as I'm recording qualifying then watching it later, which I guess gives me an insight into how Australian TV shows F1 hours after it happens (I'm seeing Tottenham Hotspur play and they're more dear to my heart than F1). Should be a good race, turn 10 over the kerb is treacherous and with how dusty the track is crashes and a safety car are more than possible.

ImissJORDAN · Post by **ImissJORDAN** » 26 Sep 2009, 10:31

Now wouldn't it be hilarious if Nando won? I think my avatar is highly suitable now that Flavio is a bona fide reject of the paddock.

I think the sport has been so overshadowed by controversy that we just need a really good race and a feelgood story to cover up the current (myriad) inadequacies of the sport. The last time we really needed one (after Spa last year) we got one in the form of the Italian Grand Prix.

Let us hope.

Jordan192 · Post by **Jordan192** » 26 Sep 2009, 11:58

The new ING-less Renaults would look awesome if they painted all those orange bits black...

Henrique · Post by **Henrique** » 26 Sep 2009, 12:31

Why was Fisichella so Badoer on Saturday practice? Is that car cursed?

eytl · Post by **eytl** » 26 Sep 2009, 12:51

Henrique wrote:Why was Fisichella so Badoer on Saturday practice? Is that car cursed?

Wow. I think you have just coined a phrase which should be mandatory F1 vocabulary - to describe something as being "so Badoer".

To join in the current trend, I say that phrase is "full of win". Or just "epic".

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 26 Sep 2009, 14:56

Q3 on now. Come on, Nico!

dragonsteincole · Post by **dragonsteincole** » 26 Sep 2009, 15:02

And Barrichello stuffed it into the wall!

eytl · Post by **eytl** » 26 Sep 2009, 15:27

dragonsteincole wrote:And Barrichello stuffed it into the wall!

To his benefit, too! (ie no-one else could beat him for 5th, so he is assured of starting 10th ahead of Button post-grid penalty)

Suspicious. Someone investigate. Three-quarters joking only.

Either that, or "epic fail".

Nin13 · Post by **Nin13** » 26 Sep 2009, 15:33

Yeah!! but will have to see what Brawn does. If damage is too much then Rubens will have to start from pitlane because they have to replace suspension plus some floor damage too.
Brawn will be hoping that RBR drivers are beaten by Rosberg and Hamilton, otherwise it looks good for RBR 1-2. :shock:

Anyonw with me Rosberg's 1st win......

Guy was almost 0.4s faster in Q2 so much so that Nakajima was left almost 0.8s slower.

Nin13 · Post by **Nin13** » 26 Sep 2009, 15:57

Every time Lewis has been on pole this year, Rubens has won. So I expect same tomorrow, watch out for Rubens charging from 10th on grid!!

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 26 Sep 2009, 16:13

I wasn't expecting that qualifying result. Button seems to be frustratingly poor again, but he'll be glad that Barrichello is having his problems as well. The Red Bulls may be up there for now, but I expect them to run light and I don't see them being up there enough at every remaining race.

Henrique · Post by **Henrique** » 26 Sep 2009, 16:30

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/09/26/fisichella-testing-would-help/

Fact :roll:

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 26 Sep 2009, 16:53

Nin13 wrote:Every time Lewis has been on pole this year, Rubens has won. So I expect same tomorrow, watch out for Rubens charging from 10th on grid!!

Absolutely, FTW!

Chewie · Post by **Chewie** » 26 Sep 2009, 17:35

Paul Hayes wrote:I do like those Canon logos on the Brawn. Something wonderfully retro about them. As Anthony Davidson said yesterday "a proper F1 sponsor."

It looks like a 'proper' race car now; not like a reject team that has found itself running at the front.

Brawn is hoovering up sponsors at the same rate that Renault is shedding them.

Whis · Post by **Whis** » 26 Sep 2009, 18:44

Henrique wrote:http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/09/26/fisichella-testing-would-help/

Fact

LOL

now that's Fisichella it's saying this is word.

when Badoer was saying the same it was an excuse! :lol:

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 26 Sep 2009, 19:02

The weights have been published. If Hamilton can keep it on the road and isn't jumped by Vettel on the start, he'll probably sail through to a relatively easy win. Rosberg on the frame for a second place. Dismal, dismal Kovalainen - again.

1. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 660.5
2. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 651.0
3. Rosberg Williams-Toyota 657.5
4. Webber Red Bull-Renault 654.5
5. Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes 655.5
6. Alonso Renault 658.0
7. Glock Toyota 660.5
8. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber 650.0
9. Kubica BMW-Sauber 664.0
10. Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 664.5
11. Nakajima Williams-Toyota 680.7
12. Button Brawn-Mercedes 683.0
13. Raikkonen Ferrari 680.5
14. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 678.0
15. Trulli Toyota 690.9
16. Sutil Force India-Mercedes 693.0
17. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 683.5
18. Fisichella Ferrari 678.5
19. Grosjean Renault 683.0
20. Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 656.0

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 26 Sep 2009, 19:04

Looks pretty clear that Rubens' crash has really helped Hamilton; given the weights, you would have expected Vettel and probably Rosberg, at least, to jump him if quali had ended in the 'normal' way.

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 26 Sep 2009, 19:10

No surprise to see Button so heavy, I think. Rosberg will be very happy to have more fuel on board than the Red Bulls, as will Hamilton of course. Barrichello seems very light for his grid position - I'm not sure that'll pay off for him tomorrow. But then again, with safety cars likely, who can tell?

Debaser · Post by **Debaser** » 26 Sep 2009, 19:51

Looking at Liuzzi's fuel load, will we see Sutil crash into the turn 17 wall? Will conspiracy theorists have to stand up again???

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 26 Sep 2009, 20:23

Paul Hayes wrote:No surprise to see Button so heavy, I think. Rosberg will be very happy to have more fuel on board than the Red Bulls, as will Hamilton of course. Barrichello seems very light for his grid position - I'm not sure that'll pay off for him tomorrow. But then again, with safety cars likely, who can tell?

Barrichello was P5. He got a 4 place grid penalty for changing his gearbox.

LukeB · Post by **LukeB** » 26 Sep 2009, 21:40

The best part of the weekend so far was during the pre-qualifiying dull-o-thon when they asked Christian Horner about strategy to which he responded that it's difficult because of the high chance of a saftey car and you don't know when it's likely to come out. My immediate reaction was why didn't he just go ask Renault?

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 26 Sep 2009, 22:57

CarlosFerreira wrote:
Paul Hayes wrote:No surprise to see Button so heavy, I think. Rosberg will be very happy to have more fuel on board than the Red Bulls, as will Hamilton of course. Barrichello seems very light for his grid position - I'm not sure that'll pay off for him tomorrow. But then again, with safety cars likely, who can tell?

Barrichello was P5. He got a 4 place grid penalty for changing his gearbox.

You mean 5 place grid penalty!

hootie · Post by **hootie** » 27 Sep 2009, 03:05

hi everyone,

i'm from singapore (the track is about 10 mins away from my office actually)
i have to say that the atmosphere in the city is electric.
there is one spot outside the mcdonalds at raffles city (turn9)
where the track is literally just 20 metres away from you.
you cant see the cars from behind the 4m high walls
but the sound and vibration from the cars is unbelievable

just wanna say a few things about the weather
from the past week, and the past few days
looks like there will be no chance of rain

it was raining heavy at dawn earlier this week, but it didnt rain this morning
so looks like it will be another hot and humid evening here in singapore

hootie

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 27 Sep 2009, 04:08

CarlosFerreira wrote:
Paul Hayes wrote:No surprise to see Button so heavy, I think. Rosberg will be very happy to have more fuel on board than the Red Bulls, as will Hamilton of course. Barrichello seems very light for his grid position - I'm not sure that'll pay off for him tomorrow. But then again, with safety cars likely, who can tell?

Barrichello was P5. He got a 4 place grid penalty for changing his gearbox.

Yes, but he always knew that was going to happen, so I don't see how his fuel load makes all that much sense.

I quite fancy Rosberg for the win now, actually. He looked mighty in Q2, which is often the ultimate indicator of pace around a given track.

Many Blue Flags · Post by **Many Blue Flags** » 27 Sep 2009, 07:46

Maybe I shouldn't be saying this after last year, but that lap in Q2 of Alonso's where they showed the onboard shots was absolutely storming. Sad thing is it'd only get up to 5th.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 27 Sep 2009, 09:08

kostas22 wrote:
CarlosFerreira wrote:
Paul Hayes wrote:No surprise to see Button so heavy, I think. Rosberg will be very happy to have more fuel on board than the Red Bulls, as will Hamilton of course. Barrichello seems very light for his grid position - I'm not sure that'll pay off for him tomorrow. But then again, with safety cars likely, who can tell?

Barrichello was P5. He got a 4 place grid penalty for changing his gearbox.

You mean 5 place grid penalty!

Yeah, sure. Probably hit the wrong key or something. Thanks!

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 27 Sep 2009, 09:49

Ok... question of the round again. Who are the Ferraris most likely to wipe out at the start?

Personally I think STR, Button and Grosjean will be screwed over by the KERS-happy Scarlet Machines

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 27 Sep 2009, 09:52

Wizzie wrote:Ok... question of the round again. Who are the Ferraris most likely to wipe out at the start?
Personally I think STR, Button and Grosjean will be screwed over by the KERS-happy Scarlet Machines

I thought Gggrrrjjjnnn was now officially the man in charge of first lap antics. Sort of The New DC.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 27 Sep 2009, 09:59

Yeah but Grosjean is too far back to do much without KERS

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 27 Sep 2009, 12:11

I think it's time for a little nap

Libertango · Post by **Libertango** » 27 Sep 2009, 12:21

I agree Shinji. The race itself might very well be RotR...

hootie · Post by **hootie** » 27 Sep 2009, 13:05

poor hedfield

most races without a DNF

and this race of all races
hootie

Keirdre · Post by **Keirdre** » 27 Sep 2009, 13:14

Sutil or Algersauri for ROTR so far?

I'll go Sutil. Crap overtaking attempt, crap spin and he ended Heidfeld's Most Boring Record of Racing Finishes record.

hootie · Post by **hootie** » 27 Sep 2009, 13:19

wat happened to kimi?
he sure is taking a long long long time to over take kazuki nakajima

hootie

tristan1117 · Post by **tristan1117** » 27 Sep 2009, 13:33

Mark! What happened? Winning in Germany to crashing in Monza and Singapore!

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 27 Sep 2009, 14:09

Massively disappointed for Rosberg - I really thought he was going to do something today. Brawn did well all things considered, and the championship race is now down to three officially - I can't see Vettel clawing back enough points to bring himself into contention, though.

Impressive drive from Glock. He did well today. But on the whole, none of the drama for which I had been hoping.