James1978 wrote:I'd have remembered Taki Inoue for Damon Hill blaming him for causing him to run into the back of Schumacher at Monza.
(Which is more than I can remember Kazuki Nakajima for)!!!
Didnt he have an annoying tooth ache as well which made him slow.
Probably, having had them in the past they dont tickle, but you go to dentist and they fix it in about half hr, with you being about $500aud lighter
Miserable Thierry (Boutsen) staggers round mostly on ten cylinders (out of 12) with no clutch, low oil pressure, bad brakes and no grip to finish tenth, 3 laps down...
(Murray Walkers review of Boutsen's Brazil 1991 race).
Some of the people on this thread should try reading the Teams and Driver profiles on this site, especially seeing as that's what the site is there to do; inform/entertain.
Can't believe no one said Bernie Ecclestone? As an F1 driver he was pretty damn forgettable.
Montany is unforgetable as the FIA made Super Best Friends ru him in France before punting him.
Pizzonia is memorable for complaining that Jaggggg never gave him equal equipment, and for Jagggg never denying it....
Wurz was toobig to fit in a Macca a few years back IIRC....
To me sports guys in F1 are forgettable Pirro, McNish, but most certainly Papis. I remember first seeing Papis driving a factory Cadillac in Speed World Challenge, finding out he was in F1, and thinking "Really? When? What Happened?"
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Me either Jolyn, maybe that's why we're both out, eh?
Wallio wrote: To me sports guys in F1 are forgettable Pirro, McNish, but most certainly Papis. I remember first seeing Papis driving a factory Cadillac in Speed World Challenge, finding out he was in F1, and thinking "Really? When? What Happened?"
My thoughts exactly when I discovered Vic Elford and Giacomo Agostini were F1 drivers too.
Wallio wrote:Can't believe no one said Bernie Ecclestone? As an F1 driver he was pretty damn forgettable.
Montany is unforgetable as the FIA made Super Best Friends ru him in France before punting him.
Pizzonia is memorable for complaining that Jaggggg never gave him equal equipment, and for Jagggg never denying it....
Wurz was toobig to fit in a Macca a few years back IIRC....
To me sports guys in F1 are forgettable Pirro, McNish, but most certainly Papis. I remember first seeing Papis driving a factory Cadillac in Speed World Challenge, finding out he was in F1, and thinking "Really? When? What Happened?"
Papis is memorable to me because when I first got into Formula 1 in 1995, I was amazed that there was a Papis and a Panis, and a Brundle and a Blundell.
Wallio wrote:Can't believe no one said Bernie Ecclestone? As an F1 driver he was pretty damn forgettable.
Montany is unforgetable as the FIA made Super Best Friends ru him in France before punting him.
Pizzonia is memorable for complaining that Jaggggg never gave him equal equipment, and for Jagggg never denying it....
Wurz was toobig to fit in a Macca a few years back IIRC....
To me sports guys in F1 are forgettable Pirro, McNish, but most certainly Papis. I remember first seeing Papis driving a factory Cadillac in Speed World Challenge, finding out he was in F1, and thinking "Really? When? What Happened?"
Papis is memorable to me because when I first got into Formula 1 in 1995, I was amazed that there was a Papis and a Panis, and a Brundle and a Blundell.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned Allen Berg, I know there is an interview with him on the main site, however that does say he "had an unmemorable F1 stint with Osella." Surely that's got to make him a eligible for this thread?
Coming January 2019 a new F1 book revisiting 1994.
fjackdaw wrote:Papis is memorable to me because when I first got into Formula 1 in 1995, I was amazed that there was a Papis and a Panis, and a Brundle and a Blundell.
When Marky and Marty were team-mates in 1993 they referred to themselves as The Brundell Brothers. Oh, how we laughed....
Well at least they knew people weren't going to identify them seriously and were a bit proactive about it, I'll give them that.
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"When I was still racing, I never once thought 'Oh, I can't damage the car here'." - Jolyn Palmer
Me either Jolyn, maybe that's why we're both out, eh?
"One day Bruno told me that he had heard the engine momentarily making a strange sound; his suspicion was that all the cylinders had been operating." --Nigel Roebuck
Ah yes, one of the greatest "non-F1, F1" vids ever. The poor reporter "oh no way, no way! We're off!" And he committed the ultimate sin in a rollerover, grabbing the roof. Lucky he didn't suffer some broken fingers/hands.
Love Pizzis laughing afterward, thats cool. Nice to see a human F1 driver once in a while.
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"When I was still racing, I never once thought 'Oh, I can't damage the car here'." - Jolyn Palmer
Me either Jolyn, maybe that's why we're both out, eh?
Ah yes, one of the greatest "non-F1, F1" vids ever. The poor reporter "oh no way, no way! We're off!" And he committed the ultimate sin in a rollerover, grabbing the roof. Lucky he didn't suffer some broken fingers/hands.
Love Pizzis laughing afterward, thats cool. Nice to see a human F1 driver once in a while.
I know that journalist is from Autocar, a sister publication to Autosport. Chris Goodwin, I believe... And he asks the F1 driver if he's OK, not the other way round...
watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
dinizintheoven wrote:GOOD CHRISTIANS do not go to jail. EVERYONE ON FORMULA ONE REJECTS should be in jail.
Is this the same Chris Goodwin that I'm 90-odd% sure was a BTCC driver in the early 1990s?
James Allen, on his favourite F1 engine of all time: "...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
dinizintheoven wrote:Is this the same Chris Goodwin that I'm 90-odd% sure was a BTCC driver in the early 1990s?
I reckon they are two different people, just as Michael Caine, the GB Porsche Carrera Cup winner/driver, did not appear in The Italian Job...
watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
dinizintheoven wrote:GOOD CHRISTIANS do not go to jail. EVERYONE ON FORMULA ONE REJECTS should be in jail.
Wallio wrote: To me sports guys in F1 are forgettable Pirro, McNish, but most certainly Papis. I remember first seeing Papis driving a factory Cadillac in Speed World Challenge, finding out he was in F1, and thinking "Really? When? What Happened?"
My thoughts exactly when I discovered Vic Elford and Giacomo Agostini were F1 drivers too.
Agostini was many things, but a Formula 1 driver he was not, unless tugging around the midfield of the Aurora championship for two very very long years in an ex works Williams with shed loads of Marlboro cash counts he made 'Gimax' look good. Vic's big love were those big banger sportscars, just like Brian Redman. With both of them you never got a sense they were interested in doing F1
Another forgettable guy was Ingo Hoffman, being number 2 in a one car team owned by your team mates brother sure didn't help
Wallio wrote: To me sports guys in F1 are forgettable Pirro, McNish, but most certainly Papis. I remember first seeing Papis driving a factory Cadillac in Speed World Challenge, finding out he was in F1, and thinking "Really? When? What Happened?"
My thoughts exactly when I discovered Vic Elford and Giacomo Agostini were F1 drivers too.
Agostini was many things, but a Formula 1 driver he was not, unless tugging around the midfield of the Aurora championship for two very very long years in an ex works Williams with shed loads of Marlboro cash counts he made 'Gimax' look good.
Agostini did take part in F1 races, even if they never had World Championship status, so a F1 driver he was.
Agostini did take part in F1 races, even if they never had World Championship status, so a F1 driver he was.
Yup, just like no one can say Desire Wilson isn't an F1 winner.
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"When I was still racing, I never once thought 'Oh, I can't damage the car here'." - Jolyn Palmer
Me either Jolyn, maybe that's why we're both out, eh?
f1-gast wrote:Wasn't Noda the testdriver of Simtek in 1995 ?
He had to race in the second part of the championship instead than Jos Verstappen, if I'm not wrong. Before he raced for Larrousse (just for Japanese grand prix 1994, or anyway for a few races), but I really didn't remember him.
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f1-gast wrote:Wasn't Noda the testdriver of Simtek in 1995 ?
He had to race in the second part of the championship instead than Jos Verstappen, if I'm not wrong. Before he raced for Larrousse (just for Japanese grand prix 1994, or anyway for a few races), but I really didn't remember him.
Wrong. He raced for Larrousse for the last two races of 1994 (that is, Japan and Australia), and he was supposed to replace Domenico Schiattarella for the second half of 1995, but Simtek went bankrupt before that could happen.
f1-gast wrote:Wasn't Noda the testdriver of Simtek in 1995 ?
He had to race in the second part of the championship instead than Jos Verstappen, if I'm not wrong. Before he raced for Larrousse (just for Japanese grand prix 1994, or anyway for a few races), but I really didn't remember him.
Wrong. He raced for Larrousse for the last two races of 1994 (that is, Japan and Australia), and he was supposed to replace Domenico Schiattarella for the second half of 1995, but Simtek went bankrupt before that could happen.
Thank you. This means that I didn't remember really nothing about Noda!
I'm Perry McCarthy and Taki Inoue's fan number 1 and I always will be.
I'm pretty sure its one of those mental reactions to hide trama though, as whenever his season is mentioned I always go "Oh yea, he WAS in F1, god that was HORRID!" So I think I just want to forget....
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Me either Jolyn, maybe that's why we're both out, eh?
Wallio wrote:You know at the risk of getting flamed:
Michael Andretti
I'm pretty sure its one of those mental reactions to hide trama though, as whenever his season is mentioned I always go "Oh yea, he WAS in F1, god that was HORRID!" So I think I just want to forget....
I think Michael Andretti fits in other category. The one which says: "Well known drivers whose career in F1 I want to forget".
Colin Kolles on F111, 2011 HRT challenger: The car doesn't look too bad; it looks like a modern F1 car.
Wallio wrote:You know at the risk of getting flamed:
Michael Andretti
I'm pretty sure its one of those mental reactions to hide trama though, as whenever his season is mentioned I always go "Oh yea, he WAS in F1, god that was HORRID!" So I think I just want to forget....
I think Michael Andretti fits in other category. The one which says: "Well known drivers whose career in F1 I want to forget".
Cristiano Da Matta would be another for that category...
Fetzie on Ferrari wrote:How does a driver hurtling around a race track while they're sous-viding in their overalls have a better understanding of the race than a team of strategy engineers in an air-conditioned room?l
Wizzie wrote:One Alex Zanardi could be another inclusion
Likewise Tiff Needell.
That's a good one there. All-red helmet he had wasn't it?
Anyway, another forgettable driver: Norberto Fontana. I've watched a few races from 1997 renectly to curb my deprivation and even the cameras don't find him. His only moment was holding up Villeneuve. A whole racing career and everyone remembers 5 seconds...
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ibsey wrote:I do love how in the 1980's we had such glamorously named drivers like, Geoff, Derek, Nigel, Brian (Henton) etc
I like that. And the non-GB drivers always had (and have) fantastically exotic and, well, race-drivery names like Fabrizzio, Giancarlo or Vittorio. But in their own country arent they just as run of the mill and ordinary? I mean, Alain, for example, thats just Alan isnt it?
At an F3 race years ago I overheard someone say "yeah, but you're never going to get into F1 with a name like Tim Spouge..." And you know what? They were right.
ibsey wrote:I think Michael Andretti fits in other category. The one which says: "Well known drivers whose career in F1 I want to forget".
Perhaps David Brabham would also fit into that category.
I have respect for David Brabham for how he helped keep Simtek together throughout their turbulent 1994 season. To see Ratzenburger killed at Imola then Montermini injured just two races later in Spain, this would be enough for some people to quit the team. Yet he continued on, continuing to have faith in the team, knowing how dangerous the sport was.
watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
dinizintheoven wrote:GOOD CHRISTIANS do not go to jail. EVERYONE ON FORMULA ONE REJECTS should be in jail.
dr-baker wrote:I have respect for David Brabham for how he helped keep Simtek together throughout their turbulent 1994 season. To see Ratzenburger killed at Imola then Montermini injured just two races later in Spain, this would be enough for some people to quit the team. Yet he continued on, continuing to have faith in the team, knowing how dangerous the sport was.
Don't get me wrong, I also have massive respect for David Brabham & I am a bit of a fan of his. Want proof, just see the post I wrote in the 'F1 rejects who should have been F1 greats' thread;
"I think David Brabham should also get a mention here, especially considering how successful he was in sportscars after F1. Just learnt in 1989, he took the F3 Championship title, and also won the Macau Grand Prix - beating Michael Schumacher in the process. Also in 1994, IMO he did a remarkable job for Simtek, bearing in mind that they were a new F1 team in 1994.
Not only did he race on the Sunday at Imola 1994 (after Ratzenberger tragic accident only a day earlier). But he also seemed to gel the team following Andrea Montermini crash in Spain. I think (from memory) he out-qualified Eric Bernard's Ligier, at one race in 1994."
I had simply stated David Brabham in my above post as a canidate for the category of ""Well known drivers whose career in F1 I want to forget". Just as I am sure David would rather forget about his awful experiences in F1 & be remember more for his success' in other categories. It certainly was not my intention to disrespect him in anyway.
Coming January 2019 a new F1 book revisiting 1994.
James1978 wrote:I love the fact there was someone called Horace (Gould) around in the 50s, what a great name!!!
I have an F1 reference book called The Guinness Complete Grand Prix Who's Who, by Steve Small, whose potted biography of Gould opens thus:
"In a period when fat Italians regularly occupied the cockpits of Formula 1 cars, to Horace Gould it seemed quite reasonable that a fat Bristolian should do the same."
"One day Bruno told me that he had heard the engine momentarily making a strange sound; his suspicion was that all the cylinders had been operating." --Nigel Roebuck
dr-baker wrote:I have respect for David Brabham for how he helped keep Simtek together throughout their turbulent 1994 season. To see Ratzenburger killed at Imola then Montermini injured just two races later in Spain, this would be enough for some people to quit the team. Yet he continued on, continuing to have faith in the team, knowing how dangerous the sport was.
Don't get me wrong, I also have massive respect for David Brabham & I am a bit of a fan of his. Want proof, just see the post I wrote in the 'F1 rejects who should have been F1 greats' thread;
"I think David Brabham should also get a mention here, especially considering how successful he was in sportscars after F1. Just learnt in 1989, he took the F3 Championship title, and also won the Macau Grand Prix - beating Michael Schumacher in the process. Also in 1994, IMO he did a remarkable job for Simtek, bearing in mind that they were a new F1 team in 1994.
Not only did he race on the Sunday at Imola 1994 (after Ratzenberger tragic accident only a day earlier). But he also seemed to gel the team following Andrea Montermini crash in Spain. I think (from memory) he out-qualified Eric Bernard's Ligier, at one race in 1994."
I had simply stated David Brabham in my above post as a canidate for the category of ""Well known drivers whose career in F1 I want to forget". Just as I am sure David would rather forget about his awful experiences in F1 & be remember more for his success' in other categories. It certainly was not my intention to disrespect him in anyway.
Yeah, I understand what you are saying, and I know no disrespect is meant by it. It is for those reasons that he may wish to forget that period, but I wish to remember him for it. Why? Simply because I am not sure I could have done what he did. I don't really have any heros or idols, but if I did, he would be one because of that. But I do see where you are coming from. It was an experience that not one of us whould want to go through, and if we did, we would want to put it past us and move on. Right?
watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
dinizintheoven wrote:GOOD CHRISTIANS do not go to jail. EVERYONE ON FORMULA ONE REJECTS should be in jail.
Ah, bathplug name clashes!
