ROTR China 2012

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] · Post by **Sunshine_Baby_[IT]** » 15 Apr 2012, 15:57

Schumacher's pitstop.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 15 Apr 2012, 16:01

It has to be Schumacher's pitstop... causing Michael to be the ONLY retirement of the race!
Also Räikkönen's strategy, seems like Lotus is not kind on tires... and then, Sauber only scored one single point.

Post by **Ataxia** » 15 Apr 2012, 16:06

F1 Rejects Because a) the site wouldn't work this morning, and b) we jinxed Kobayashi.
Wheelguns Forced the Merc mechanic to look like he was conducting an orchestra.
Jarno Trulli Even though he's not there any more, there was a Trulli train the length of Michael Winner's bill at a restaurant.

Shadaza · Post by **Shadaza** » 15 Apr 2012, 16:11

Schumacher's pit stop. Genuinely felt sorry for Michael Schumacher for once, would of been interesting to see where he would of ended up.
Massa ney sayers. He actually drove a very good race and had he been a little luckier would have scored a good haul of points, the Sky commentators kept nagging him for holding up cars but he was ahead of them on merit, had Vettel or Webber needed to pit again (like it looked like they would of had to at one stage) they would of been behind him, yet the commentators missed this. (Sure it's a rant but I needed a 2nd nomination somewhere.)

Honourable mention F1 Rejects Forum for being virus ridden.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 15 Apr 2012, 16:13

1st // F1Rejects.com // A pathetic showing by the website today, incredibly slow and crash-prone, really living up to its name.
2nd // Jean Todt // He has been practising how to dodge tricky questions from a very badly written guidebook.

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 15 Apr 2012, 16:42

1. F1rejects forum. I always look forward to race day, especially discussing the race as it's actually going on. From 7am till now I've been trying to log in every half hour or so. Once I managed it, before posting quickly and being cut off. Of all the times this forum had to crash, it happened during a race

2. Schumacher's pitstop. As soon as he pulled away I knew a wheel wasn't fastened correctly. I doubt he wouldve won, but he might have sneaked a podium. Merc mechanic gets eight weeks in "ze cooler".

F1 Adam · Post by **F1 Adam** » 15 Apr 2012, 17:05

Kimi's strategy for me, that really was a horrendous lap or two. Special mention for Eddie Jordan trying to blame Raikkonen rather than the tyres.

I was particularly happy to see Massa in the lead for 3/4s of a lap!

Post by **mario** » 15 Apr 2012, 17:44

Schumacher's botched pit stop takes the award for me - the chief mechanics haste in sending Schumacher out cost them dearly, as I suspect that Schumacher might well have been able to get his car onto the podium as well. It could well have been a 1-2 for Mercedes in the circumstances, which would have put them into 3rd in the WCC - the team might come to rue those lost points at the end of the season...

Enforcer, though, makes a good point about Sauber - we were all talking about Kobayashi's chances, only for him to fall back to 10th place and play a minor role in the evolution of the race, whilst Perez also lost ground and ended up failing to score any points at all. Neither driver could really get their strategies to work, even though Sauber tried covering its rivals by stopping Kamui three times and Perez twice - before the squabbling between Perez and Kobayashi very nearly cost Sauber the one point it got for 10th.

As for Kimi, it looks like the team were trying to be a bit too clever for its own good by switching Kimi from what looked like a planned three stop to a two stop strategy. That said, whilst it may have been asking a lot for Kimi to manage his tyres for 28 laps, Grosjean managed to keep his tyres together for 24 laps and still kept pumping in 1m41's right up to, and including, the very last lap, so you have to wonder whether Kimi's driving style played its part (the commentators did note that he was spinning his rear tyres in the slower corners, and the current tyres do tend to overheat and break down more rapidly if you spin them up too much).

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 15 Apr 2012, 17:46

1 The wheel gun guy on Micheal's pit stop...

appart from that it was a good race...

(and myself for sleeping in and missing qually yesterday...)

Pamphlet · Post by **Pamphlet** » 15 Apr 2012, 17:47

mario wrote:Schumacher's botched pit stop takes the award for me - the chief mechanics haste in sending Schumacher out cost them dearly, as I suspect that Schumacher might well have been able to get his car onto the podium as well. It could well have been a 1-2 for Mercedes in the circumstances, which would have put them into 3rd in the WCC - the team might come to rue those lost points at the end of the season...

Enforcer, though, makes a good point about Sauber - we were all talking about Kobayashi's chances, only for him to fall back to 10th place and play a minor role in the evolution of the race, whilst Perez also lost ground and ended up failing to score any points at all. Neither driver could really get their strategies to work, even though Sauber tried covering its rivals by stopping Kamui three times and Perez twice - before the squabbling between Perez and Kobayashi very nearly cost Sauber the one point it got for 10th.

As for Kimi, it looks like the team were trying to be a bit too clever for its own good by switching Kimi from what looked like a planned three stop to a two stop strategy. That said, whilst it may have been asking a lot for Kimi to manage his tyres for 28 laps, Grosjean managed to keep his tyres together for 24 laps and still kept pumping in 1m41's right up to, and including, the very last lap, so you have to wonder whether Kimi's driving style played its part (the commentators did note that he was spinning his rear tyres in the slower corners, and the current tyres do tend to overheat and break down more rapidly if you spin them up too much).

As a note, it's been confirmed by multiple sources - Kimi, Boullier, other people at Lotus etc - that the plan was for a 2-stop strategy. Kimi pitted early, had problems with Massa and the marbles sealed the deal.

Although this brings up the question of how the team expected him to survive for 28 laps with used mediums...

Post by **Nuppiz** » 15 Apr 2012, 17:59

Räikkönen's strategy, and the current tyres that lose just about all of the grip very suddenly

Honourable mention to whoever botched Schumi's pitstop.

Minardi Man · Post by **Minardi Man** » 15 Apr 2012, 18:41

1) Pitstops, both Schumachers and Buttons.

2) Whoever told Raikonen to stay out.

Honourary mention to BBC anouncing a completely wrong constructors leaderboard at the end of the race, looked like it was just an old one to be fair (Red Bull on 100 odd points :lol:

) but still, that's rejectfull enough in my books.

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 15 Apr 2012, 19:17

Definitely has to be whoever released Schumacher from his stop without the right-front wheel man signalling he was clear.

Pedestrian · Post by **Pedestrian** » 15 Apr 2012, 19:18

Kimi Raikkonen for providing the most graphic exemple of what it means for tyres to 'go off a cliff' I have ever seen.

Honourable mentions for Kobayashi and Schumacher (courtesy of his pit crew) for wasting good starting positions.
And McLaren once again managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 15 Apr 2012, 19:18

Räikkönen's strategist.

Yannick · Post by **Yannick** » 15 Apr 2012, 19:19

Well, having missed the planned interruption of my motorsport fandom retirement due to necessary sleep in the morning hours of today, I may have missed a good race but I'm happy I have not missed an epic one.

As ROTR awards go, if there is only one retirement for the whole race, and especially if it's a good race which this one surely was, the prestigious prize of this site has often been awarded by default to an entity with a connection to that retirement.

So this time, it's the Mercedes pit crew for certain. They took out what used to be Takuma Sato's ride a few years ago completely by themselves. That's sad for Schumacher especially since Rosberg might be able to challenge for the championship later this year, now that he has established himself as the #1 driver within the team.

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 15 Apr 2012, 19:43

tristan1117 wrote:I nominate Force India because they have really dropped into anonymity with STR and Massa at the tail end of the midfield. Not where they wanted to be.

Force India are on their first performance decline in their existence. I think it's because of their driver lineup, or more specifically, the lack of Sutil. What they had in him was an excellent development driver and team leader. He deserves a lot of credit for why they went from the back to the front of the midfield in 2 years. It was a terrible decision to drop him.

fjackdaw · Post by **fjackdaw** » 15 Apr 2012, 19:50

Paul Hayes wrote:Definitely has to be whoever released Schumacher from his stop without the right-front wheel man signalling he was clear.

It seems to have been another traffic light flub, rather than human error.

Post by **mario** » 15 Apr 2012, 20:17

Peter wrote:
tristan1117 wrote:I nominate Force India because they have really dropped into anonymity with STR and Massa at the tail end of the midfield. Not where they wanted to be.

Force India are on their first performance decline in their existence. I think it's because of their driver lineup, or more specifically, the lack of Sutil. What they had in him was an excellent development driver and team leader. He deserves a lot of credit for why they went from the back to the front of the midfield in 2 years. It was a terrible decision to drop him.

That would be strange since one of the major criticisms of Sutil was that he wasn't actually a particularly good development driver - at the very least I don't recall the team praising his development skills during the time that he was there.
Now, I'll admit that I might be biased in this direction, but to my mind the problems at Force India are rooted in the technical decisions the team made about their car - Andrew Green, the Technical Director, did say that the exhausts were designed to be relatively aerodynamically neutral, which meant that the team was prepared to sacrifice some downforce in return for a car that behaved more consistently through the corners. It isn't that the car is necessarily bad, just that the team seem to have gone for a slightly conservative approach - perhaps being uncertain where exactly the FIA would draw the line on certain developments in the off season - that his hurting them right now.

Barbazza · Post by **Barbazza** » 15 Apr 2012, 20:29

Sauber for me - don't they usually get the strategies correct?!

Toro Rosso would be my runners up. Apparently they were in the race as Ben Edwards mentioned Vergne briefly getting a fastest lap, but can't say I really noticed.

Taki Inoue fanboy · Post by **Taki Inoue fanboy** » 15 Apr 2012, 20:56

I'm probably stating the obvious here, so:
Lotus for coming with the ridiculess idea that Raikkonen would achieve a high/podium position whilst using 3 sets of tyres throughout the entire race
Mercedes pit crew for using a system long proven to be flawed, which cost Schumachers race on a humiliating note
Sauber for being a mere shadow of their performance in Malaysia (then again, it did piss it down that week)

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 15 Apr 2012, 21:00

Toro Rosso - I barely remembered they were in the race. I saw more of Marussia.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 15 Apr 2012, 21:18

The entire pitlane.

Unnecessarily dangerous drag race between Raikkonen and Hamilton, Button and Schumacher's pit lane flubs...

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 15 Apr 2012, 21:25

Raikkonen and his stategist. If he just made an extra pitstop, it at least wouldn't be so embarassing.

Also strong candidate are Mercedes pit crew, but i guess it's too much to wish for both mercedes-cars fulfilling their potential...

and did i feel some overconfidence at Sauber? That's new!

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 15 Apr 2012, 21:27

Cynon wrote:The entire pitlane.

Unnecessarily dangerous drag race between Raikkonen and Hamilton, Button and Schumacher's pit lane flubs...

The pitlane drag race wasn't that bad. The pits themselves are wide enough to accommodate two cars. As soon as they got to the exit, Raikkonen lifted a little as he knew he'd lost the position. I've seen worse.

Priceless · Post by **Priceless** » 15 Apr 2012, 21:33

Time for the reject podium...
3rd: Toro Rosso - Toro who? Completely anonymous.
2nd: McLaren pit crew - These things happen, but that slight mistake came at a critical moment of the race, and took down Button's chance of attacking Rosberg for the win... and he had the car performance for that.
1st: Mercedes pit crew - Another pit stop error on the list. This one cost Michael Schumacher's race, which was promising up to that point, and on top of that it was the only DNF... that's why I put it on 1st place.

Dishonorable mention:
Sauber F1 - The car's good, but something there didn't quite work. Kobayashi had a terrible start and got stuck in the midfield, while Pérez was fighting something in the car as well as the opponents behind - he was locking the front wheels a lot.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 15 Apr 2012, 21:37

AdrianSutil wrote:
Cynon wrote:The entire pitlane.

Unnecessarily dangerous drag race between Raikkonen and Hamilton, Button and Schumacher's pit lane flubs...

The pitlane drag race wasn't that bad. The pits themselves are wide enough to accommodate two cars. As soon as they got to the exit, Raikkonen lifted a little as he knew he'd lost the position. I've seen worse.

I'd still say that was a little too dangerous especially since F1 doesn't have a pit wall like they do in the states.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 15 Apr 2012, 22:43

My nominations:

ONE HD - The muppets have outdone themselves. They now have an entire segment dedicated to AUSTRALIA'S Mark Webber
Sauber - Qualifying heros, race zeros
F1 Rejects - Jamie, please get a proper server for the website
Schumacher's and Button's pit crews - Ruined a potential three-way scrap for the win

But my ROTR is:

Toro Rosso - For a car that's supposedly upper-midfield, they did absolutely sod all for the entire weekend.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 15 Apr 2012, 23:10

Wizzie wrote:Toro Rosso - For a car that's supposedly upper-midfield, they did absolutely sod all for the entire weekend.

Good point there. I change my nomination from Ferrari to Toro Rosso.

Popi_Larrauri · Post by **Popi_Larrauri** » 15 Apr 2012, 23:27

No one in particular. Maybe some pit crew, making mistakes any other day would have been overlooked.

Indeed, it was a specacular race, considering there was no rain or whatsoever.

Maybe, there were to second chance of trajectory from Hamilton (defending from Vettel and Webber) and Perez (from Kobayashi) that weren't addressed by the stewards. Thus the Stewards.

Or wheelnuts... but again: Spectacular race, someone had to be last, someone had to under perform.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 15 Apr 2012, 23:55

F1Rejects.com

Honourable mention to Kimi's strategest

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 16 Apr 2012, 00:26

Minardi Man wrote:Honourary mention to BBC anouncing a completely wrong constructors leaderboard at the end of the race, looked like it was just an old one to be fair (Red Bull on 100 odd points ) but still, that's rejectfull enough in my books.

Yes! And then, even the second one where they got the top teams right, they still had Caterham in 10th, which is in fact Marussia at this moment in time!

Ed24 · Post by **Ed24** » 16 Apr 2012, 01:01

Toro Rosso for me; with all the various strategies, most drivers spent at least part of the race in the points, but they were extremely quiet on a track that they usually excel on. Hulkenberg could also be considered for the same reason. Anonymous.

Mercedes pitcrew a close 2nd for potentially robbing them of a famous 1-2.

(Save the One nominations for next week when they switch it back to Channel Ten and we lose HD broadcasting :roll:

)

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 16 Apr 2012, 06:25

I'm going to say Force India. We're three races into the season, and so far, they've done nothing.

Sponge · Post by **Sponge** » 16 Apr 2012, 08:25

Ed24 wrote:(Save the One nominations for next week when they switch it back to Channel Ten and we lose HD broadcasting )

wait... WHAT???!! is it still live??

Ross Prawn · Post by **Ross Prawn** » 16 Apr 2012, 08:38

Got to say that there were not many obviously rejectful performances.

But the Mercedes pit crew for spoiling our chance to see what Schumi could do in a decent car.

And likewise the Renault strategists for making Kimi look like a plonker.

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 16 Apr 2012, 08:46

Sponge wrote:
Ed24 wrote:(Save the One nominations for next week when they switch it back to Channel Ten and we lose HD broadcasting )

wait... WHAT???!! is it still live??

Channel Ten are moving their Formula 1 coverage from One to Ten for all the European races this year, mostly because there are two Australians competing in 2012. There is no word on whether or not this includes Bahrain, but a quick look at the television guide for next week shows that most of Ten's programming for Sunday night is still To Be Advised. They're evidently waiting on a final word from Bahrain - they don't want to commit to the race, only to have it cancelled.

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 16 Apr 2012, 09:10

Taki Inoue fanboy wrote:I'm probably stating the obvious here, so:
Lotus for coming with the ridiculess idea that Raikkonen would achieve a high/podium position whilst using 3 sets of tyres throughout the entire race

But that's exactly what the race winner did

Some of you are being too harsh on Lotus' strategy. As the race was developing it was a logical decision. A gamble, but not unreasonable. Just for the record, Räikkönen pitted for the last time on lap 28; the final stops for other drivers who finished in the points were on lap 29 (Senna), lap 31 (Vettel), lap 32 (Grosjean) and lap 33 (Maldonado). No one has attacked Williams for Senna's strategy, on the contrary, some have proposed the team for IIDOTR.

Irrespectively of what was Lotus' original plan, I think they decided to stay until the end when they saw what happened to Massa. Massa was second after 40 laps, with Räikkönen just behind. His pace was pretty slow by this point, but no one managed to overtake him; we saw during the race that overtaking was quite harder than we have become used to. As he pitted, Massa went from 2nd to 14th, and he didn't make much progress with new tyres. Not only Massa, no one was making that much progress with new tyres, as shown by Button, Webber, Alonso or Kobayashi.

Therefore, what did you want Lotus to do? Drop a 2nd place for a place out of the points? In a day on which overtaking was so difficult even with fresh tyres? When other drivers were on similar strategies as well? (If you saw everyone 3-stopping, at least you could ask yourself if you are trying to be too smart).

In the end it didn't work, but I'm sure Kimi would have finished out of the points if he had pitted again, probably 11th.

Sublime_FA11C · Post by **Sublime_FA11C** » 16 Apr 2012, 11:14

Ferrim wrote:...what did you want Lotus to do? Drop a 2nd place for a place out of the points? In a day on which overtaking was so difficult even with fresh tyres? When other drivers were on similar strategies as well? (If you saw everyone 3-stopping, at least you could ask yourself if you are trying to be too smart).

In the end it didn't work, but I'm sure Kimi would have finished out of the points if he had pitted again, probably 11th.

A bit harsh but justified.

Vettel and Rosberg ended their race on shot tyres and lost time in the last few laps, Raikkonen's tyres were shot with more than 10 laps to go. Rosberg had time to spare only because Raikkonen help up the field. Had Button's pit gone to plan Rosberg's gap and fading tyres would not have been enough to seal the win.

Vettel lost positions in the end but still got a lot out of the strategy. In fact, of all the people trying a 2-stop strategy only Raikkonen and Perez got sod all out of it. No idea why it failed for Perez but in Kimi's case he simply had too many cars on his gearbox when his tyres started to fade and had no hope of holding them back for almost ten more laps. His race fell apart on lap 47 but he was visibly slower even before that.

Kimi's crew should have seen the inevitable coming and brought him in before/ it actually happened. In hindsight, the ideal was to pit around the same time Massa did, lap 40-42. Massa scored no points but Raikkonen was in a much better car and with fresh tyres rather than most worn out ones he could have done something.

If the argument is that either way there was no hope for points, the blame is still on the team for coming up with a crap strategy. Raikkonen's first stop was on lap 11 i belive, second and final stop was on lap 27.... with the race 56 laps long. The way they planned it seems to indicate that adding a third stop was considered a possibility. So why didn't they do it?

I wont blame them for crossing their fingers and praying Raikkonen drops as few places as possible. I blame them for the plan they put together. And moaning about marbles.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 16 Apr 2012, 11:17

In a race where we lacked any big rejectful moment, I say Toro Rosso. If this keeps going on STR, I imagine another 2 drivers going into the slaughterhouse. The only thing positive is that this can only do good things for The Saurus and Buemi reputations.