2012 Bahrain Grand Prix Discussion Thread
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BTW does Mark Webber know that he is allowed to finish a race in a position different from 4th?
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Ferrim wrote:BTW does Mark Webber know that he is allowed to finish a race in a position different from 4th?
I don't think so!
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I won't begrudge Vettel this win. He had to fight for it. Not nearly as much as Kimi did for his result but Vettel never really left the rest for dead and it wasn't certain until around lap 51.
Not a boring race at all, and above par for Bahrain. Probably the last one as well.
Not a boring race at all, and above par for Bahrain. Probably the last one as well.
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Over Easter, I discovered that my dad can get Sky Sports F1 because of suscribing to an HD package. So last week, I watched China on BBC and Bahrain on Sky. The BBC better overall, but watching Sky during the race itself was just like watching last year's BBC coverage (I am equally used to David Croft as to Brundle thanks to his free practice commentaries). Not a bad race, the best that track has produced. But let's not go back there - the on-track action may have been a flash in the pan, unlike the year-long-plus protests there.
And pre-race, and during the race, I had an inkling protestors may interefere with the podium ceremony, just as some may be relaxing that the race got away "scot-free." Thank God that did not happen.
And pre-race, and during the race, I had an inkling protestors may interefere with the podium ceremony, just as some may be relaxing that the race got away "scot-free." Thank God that did not happen.
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Ferrim wrote:BTW does Mark Webber know that he is allowed to finish a race in a position different from 4th?
Maybe he saw how Hamilton was trying to win the championship with just 3rds, and thought he'd give it a go with 4ths!
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I've never been a particular fan of Kimi Raikkonen, but I was willing him on during the second half of that race. I hope Red Bull aren't going to be back on winning form at all the remaining races...
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So after four races we have four different drivers and four different constructors winning a Grand Prix. That is mighty. And Renault might take a win with Raikkonen later on in the season (Spa anyone).. or maybe already in Barcelona since Kimi usually does well on that circuit.
Edit) - Does anyone else share the same feeling as I do that Kimi should have chosen the harder compound for his last stint as those tyres seemed to be working better..?
Edit) - Does anyone else share the same feeling as I do that Kimi should have chosen the harder compound for his last stint as those tyres seemed to be working better..?
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8 different drivers on the podium out of a possible 12 podium positions as well, compared to 7 drivers out of 76 positions in the entirety of last year.
Better than 'Tour in a suit case' Takagi.
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Has anything happened with the post-race investigations? Even it was no action taken then surely that would be announced?
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James1978 wrote:Has anything happened with the post-race investigations? Even it was no action taken then surely that would be announced?
Nothing for Rosberg v. Hamilton, still waiting on Rosberg v. Alonso but unlikely to be different.
E: nothing for Rosberg v. Alonso either.
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James Allen on twitter:
No penalty for Rosberg
..That's on the Hamilton move. Stewards felt Rosberg was enough ahead of Hamilton. Alonso one was more extreme. Awaiting that decision
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Buried at the end of this Autosport article:
Domenicali also paid tribute to a Ferrari engineer, Matteo Vignali, who died over the weekend: "Honestly, what happened on the track today is only of secondary importance for us."
"We are very sad to learn of the death of Matteo Vignali, a young man who worked in the gearbox department, who suffered a heart attack," he said. "He lost his life at just thirty two years of age, something that leaves us in a state of dismay."
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GwilymJJames wrote:James1978 wrote:Has anything happened with the post-race investigations? Even it was no action taken then surely that would be announced?
Nothing for Rosberg v. Hamilton, still waiting on Rosberg v. Alonso but unlikely to be different.
E: nothing for Rosberg v. Alonso either.
That is correct - the stewards have concluded that in both instances Rosberg started moving towards the edge of the track before the trailing driver moved to try to pass him, although they have said that if Hamilton had been partially alongside Rosberg at the point he made his move, Rosberg might have then received a penalty.
This is the wording of the ruling from the FIA for Hamilton (they used almost exactly the same text for the Rosberg-Alonso incident) to explain their line of thought.
In relation to the incident involving Car 8 Nico Rosberg and Car 4 Lewis Hamilton the Stewards, having heard from both drivers and team representatives Messrs R Meadows and S Michael, and having examined the video and telemetry evidence, unanimously decide to take no further action.
In accordance with Article 16.1 (last paragraph) the matter was investigated after the Race.
Reasons
1. The driver of Car 8 commenced his move to the right after the exit from T3 and moved to the right in a constant and continuous straight line manner, not making any sudden movements (as evidenced by telemetry and video evidence) and;
2. At the time he commenced his move, Car 4 was behind him and no part of his car was alongside Car 8 and;
3. The driver of Car 8 made the move to the right prior to the driver of Car 4 making the same move and;
4. For more than half of the distance travelled by Car 8 in moving in a straight line towards the right hand edge of the track, Car 4 remained behind Car 8 and;
5. Because the delta speed between the two cars was quite significant it was difficult for Car 8 to detect the exact position of Car 4 in relation to his own car;
6. Had a significant portion of Car 4 been alongside that of Car 8 whilst Car 4 still remained within the confines of the track, then the actions of Car 8 may not have been considered legitimate.
In the case of Alonso, Point 6 read "No part of Car 5 was alongside that of Car 8.", but otherwise the reasoning was exactly the same.
On another note, does anybody know why Vettel was asked to stop his car at the end of the pit lane the moment he crossed the line? I can understand why Rosberg did that, given that he had a damaged exhaust, but there was nothing evidently wrong with Vettel's car - unless he was slightly marginal on fuel and the team were unsure he'd have enough fuel left for a post race sample to be taken?
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I love the way it says "car 4" and "car 8" rather than the drivers' names.
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QuickYoda41 wrote:Podium after returning - didn't take too long for Raikkonen , especially comparing to a certain 7-times...
Frenchman on the podium - last one was Spa '98 (?)
was it that long since a frenchman got a podium?
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I'm having a laugh with the race comments in the Autosport Forums... everyone seems to be attacking the current formula, "tyres that don't allow drivers to push" and so on.
That's the same place where everyone complained about boring races and long lasting tyres before 2011.
That's the same place where everyone complained about boring races and long lasting tyres before 2011.
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So, Rosberg did a legal thing. How did Hamilton then do a legal thing by passing outside the track?
No, I agree with Alonso on this. The future will be interesting, everything is allowed.
This is really the only thing that has bothered me, when it comes to driving this weekend. The picture tells the story. May F1 be hit hard.
And now the GP2 people have to stay there for another week. Poor guys!
No, I agree with Alonso on this. The future will be interesting, everything is allowed.
This is really the only thing that has bothered me, when it comes to driving this weekend. The picture tells the story. May F1 be hit hard.
And now the GP2 people have to stay there for another week. Poor guys!
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Like I said in the RotR thread, I don't think this weekend was really a success for Bahrain. The media just highlighted the problems and instability in the country, and it wasn't just F1 media but mainstream media.
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Ed24 wrote:Like I said in the RotR thread, I don't think this weekend was really a success for Bahrain. The media just highlighted the problems and instability in the country, and it wasn't just F1 media but mainstream media.
At least we're all more aware of Bahrains problems now, perhaps thats a positive?
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CoopsII wrote:Ed24 wrote:Like I said in the RotR thread, I don't think this weekend was really a success for Bahrain. The media just highlighted the problems and instability in the country, and it wasn't just F1 media but mainstream media.
At least we're all more aware of Bahrains problems now, perhaps thats a positive?
To be honest, unless you've lived the past year in a cave, you'd have known about Bahrain's problems before the weekend. The motorsport media have just highlighted it as it's the Formula 1 race. As there was no signs of protesting during the race and especially the podium ceremony, plus loads of on track action throughout the race, the Bahrain GP was a bit of a success, politics aside.
Having said that, Mr Bernard Charles Ecclestone should be ashamed of himself for going there in the first place, and some comments and answers given to the media during the weekend were plain dumb. Example:
Q: Force India mechanics were targeted with smoke grenades and petrol bombs. Do you think Formula 1 should be here?
A: Well, that's got nothing to do with Formula 1 has it?
No Bernie, of course not But how would you have felt watching four Force India bodybags being taken to local hospital if things turned much worse...
He's a hypocrite, only interested in one thing... Money.
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AdrianSutil wrote:To be honest, unless you've lived the past year in a cave, you'd have known about Bahrain's problems before the weekend.
I think you'll find theres alot of cave dwellers out there.
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AdrianSutil wrote:To be honest, unless you've lived the past year in a cave, you'd have known about Bahrain's problems before the weekend. The motorsport media have just highlighted it as it's the Formula 1 race. As there was no signs of protesting during the race and especially the podium ceremony, plus loads of on track action throughout the race, the Bahrain GP was a bit of a success, politics aside.
Yes, but I think we as F1 fans have followed it more closely than many others. Of the general public, I'd say the awareness of the problems in Bahrain, even last year, would be very low, and maybe it is a little higher now.
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I'm pissed off at the stewards declaring Rosbergs antics legal and not reprimanding him. It's technically legal yeah, but both Hamilton and Alonso had every reason to belive they could attack there. When fighting for position it's important that both drivers give the other guy room (to avoid contact or crash, not neccesarily room to pass) regardless of how the rules are written down on paper. Block all you want, choose whatever line you wish and brake when it suits you, it's the guy behind who has to find a way around, just give enough room when he does go for it.
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Sublime_FA11C wrote:I'm pissed off at the stewards declaring Rosbergs antics legal and not reprimanding him. It's technically legal yeah, but both Hamilton and Alonso had every reason to belive they could attack there. When fighting for position it's important that both drivers give the other guy room (to avoid contact or crash, not neccesarily room to pass) regardless of how the rules are written down on paper. Block all you want, choose whatever line you wish and brake when it suits you, it's the guy behind who has to find a way around, just give enough room when he does go for it.
Like Massa defended from Hamilton. He left space and did not went for an aggressive chop. Hamilton then chose to go off track but it was an incident not even investigated by the stewards.
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if it was Hamilton that pushed Rosberg off the track.....
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WeirdKerr wrote:if it was Hamilton that pushed Rosberg off the track.....
Or worse still, the stewards are replaced by members of the Met Police.
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As Myrvold mentioned above, it makes no sense to give no penalty to Rosberg and no penalty to Hamilton. Either Rosberg pushed him off track or Hamilton passed outside the line. Maybe quietly and off camera someone tells Rosberg "Look, you got away with it, but don't do that again."
Indycar put Rahal on "probation" whatever that means for two months. That was for the brain-dead chop he gave to Andretti. To be fair that case was very obvious. -- http://www.indycar.com/en/News/2012/April/4-17-Rahal-placed-on-probation
Steward's decisions allways seem to end up in the extremes. Either lenient or draconian, never sensible.
Indycar put Rahal on "probation" whatever that means for two months. That was for the brain-dead chop he gave to Andretti. To be fair that case was very obvious. -- http://www.indycar.com/en/News/2012/April/4-17-Rahal-placed-on-probation
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