Reject (or not) track design.

Backmarker · Post by **Backmarker** » 20 Apr 2012, 00:10

An impossible Grand Prix of Guernsey - far too many narrow roads. But it would be great to see the cars thunder up Val de Terres like they do in the hillclimb. Then again, maybe they should go downhill? And in the old days they would have gone past a big sign with my surname on - don't think it's there any more though.

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5417329

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 20 Apr 2012, 09:07

Had I posted this yet? I'm far from the first to come up with it, I'm sure, but nevertheless.

tzerof1 · Post by **tzerof1** » 05 May 2012, 23:57

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5445627

Here is a track that I designed that goes around some of the streets in Portage, Wisconsin where I live. The track boasts many straights and a fair amount of elevation change over the course of a lap that is 6.466 km so there should be a few more overtaking opportunities here than at say, Valencia. :lol:

The start/finish line is the point you see some of the way up McFarlane Road. Also, where the track crosses over, that is intended to be straight. If this design were to be a real circuit there would be a bridge there.

Enjoy

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 13 May 2012, 14:55

here comes a whole bunch of my ideas. get ready.....

AND IT'S GO GO GO!!!
palm beach, FL

Sand Diego, CA airport

Chicago's O'Hare Airport

redesign of Baltimore GP circuit

Chicago Soldier Field/Observatory

Houston, TX Reliant Park

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 13 May 2012, 15:00

Second from bottom one reminds me of Surfers Paradise

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 13 May 2012, 15:29

The top one looks similar to my Pensacola GP.

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4234609

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 13 May 2012, 15:45

Run the O'Hare Airport course backwards!

That hairpin. :]

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 14 May 2012, 07:44

nome66 wrote:here comes a whole bunch of my ideas. get ready.....

AND IT'S GO GO GO!!!
palm beach, FL

Sand Diego, CA airport

Chicago's O'Hare Airport

redesign of Baltimore GP circuit

Chicago Soldier Field/Observatory

Houston, TX Reliant Park

Some of those are really good and would be interesting to see a race on.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 14 May 2012, 10:49

nome66 wrote:AND IT'S GO GO GO!!!
palm beach, FL

My first thought on seeing this:

Coincidence?

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 14 May 2012, 23:19

not at all. i saw the resemblance to Long Beach as soon as i got to drawing up turn 4. i actually wanted to design a better track than what the IMSA Camel GT series used in palm beach over east next to the basketball arena.

the meat of the track was a parkinglot. the highest speed reached was 120mph. avg was 97
but anyways, i've always loved street circuits with a curved front stretch. it promotes slipstream passing like on an oval, and you don't need to rely on just the first corner for position.
BTW:: if you haven't guessed already, the paddocks for Houston and Chicago(soldier field) are in the stadiums, ergo the close proximity of the pit lanes

WaffleCat · Post by **WaffleCat** » 15 May 2012, 11:30

http://gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5301091

Dunsfold....F1 style.

Also,that track got me thinking.Why not we have a competition in track designing?Each week one person gives a theme of a track(e.g,airfield circuit,modify circuit to meet F1 criteria etc.) and you post your entries here.The 'winner'(maybe by poll or by selection from '"theme setter") will then get to choose the next theme.How does that sound?

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 15 May 2012, 11:35

Sounds cool, I'd be up for that!

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 15 May 2012, 11:41

I've already got an entry for the aerodrome circuit: http://gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5301091

EDIT: Shite, copied the wrong link :oops:

EDIT EDIT: There we go: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5461594

Davidellias · Post by **Davidellias** » 15 May 2012, 16:57

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=5462110

Based on the only part of Milwaukee that isn't designed to look like a waffle iron.

Post by **tommykl** » 16 May 2012, 14:11

My bid for the airfield/port challenge: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5463569

WaffleCat · Post by **WaffleCat** » 16 May 2012, 14:30

Alright,since tommykl and Wizzie have already posted links,I might as well start the competition now...

F1 Rejects Track Design Competition

For our first event,I will challenge you all on a type of track seen on some circuits around the globe.Like Silverstone,Thruxton,Croft or even Anderstorp,Cleveland and Edmenton,the first challenge is to design a circuit around any type of airfield.It could be a major airport,a former RAF site and even a few current ones,it is all open to you.The only real limitation is that only runways,taxiways and/or perimeter roads can be used.Any type of program can be used,be it Gmap Pedometer,Paint etc.Please post either a direct link to a website or a picture.

Deadline is around 11 a.m-1 p.m GMT on 6th June

Voting for the "winner" will be held immediately after the deadline and will last about a week.Also,a separate award choice will be given to the Most Rejectful Track(MRT).

The "winner" gets to choose the next theme.

So,let the designing begin!

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 16 May 2012, 16:31

When you say perimeter roads, can that include the roads in and out of the airport? I have a cool idea for something!

Ferrarist · Post by **Ferrarist** » 16 May 2012, 19:45

I guess I'm the first entry. And here it comes: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5464250

An oval track on the Berlin Tegel Airport. I mean, just another race track would have been boring.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 16 May 2012, 23:10

My first attempt is also an airport oval, at just over 2 miles long:

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5464602

And a road-course version at the same airstrip:

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5464612

The pit lane and start-finish line would have to be on the main airstrip between the 1 and 2 mile marker points.

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 16 May 2012, 23:16

one entry for the contest, http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x246 ... GPGPGP.jpg
Baltimore Washington International Airport .... near my house

aaand one for the "why not?" file,

a slight redesign of the 1990-97 track layout, since the 98-04 layout was demolished

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 17 May 2012, 00:39

Okay so here's my slightly cheeky entry!

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5464698

The start line would be the main runway, with the lap running from left to right looking from above, the initial turn 1 right hander would be quick, with a gradual deceleration for the left handed turns 2 and 3, with acceleration gradually building through turn 4, where the track leaves the runway and joins onto the perimeter road. The long straight would and following tight right handed turn 5 would offer a good overtaking opportunity, before the track drops downhill and swings around to the left to enter the tunnel for the first time. The next long straight follows, before the cars emerge into daylight once again, to negotiate turns 8 and 9, two roughly identical 90 degree right handers that take the cars past the terminal buildings. From there it's back into the tunnel and a blast along another straight, before the uphill left hander turn 10. The fast chicane of 11 and 12 follows quickly after, and then it's another long straight, ended by turn 13, a tight left hander that would be another good overtaking spot. Another quick chicane brings the track back onto the runway, with another left hander at turn 16. The pit lane peels off to the right at turn 17, before the gradual curve of 18 brings the course back on to the main straight!

Utilising the entrance/exit tunnel to terminals 1, 2 and 3 the total length is almost 5.5 miles. It's a bit long, but pretty fast! I'd imagine average speeds would be pretty high, though the twistier parts either end of the tunnels would slow the cars down a bit. Quite an unusual shape too!

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 17 May 2012, 05:31

WaffleCat · Post by **WaffleCat** » 17 May 2012, 07:58

Wow,the tracks are coming faster than I thought,maybe even enough to shorten the deadline for future contests.

Also,a rule I forgot to mention,everybody only has to post one track.That means both dr-baker and especially Captain Hammer has to choose one of their tracks.

Also,AndreaModa,your entry is still being decided upon.Just in case,you may want to plan an alternative route while I think about it.

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 17 May 2012, 08:55

Wait, what's this about entries?

I've just gone through a phase of making airport circuits on another forum. I saw that AndreaModa made one, so I grabbed some of the ones I made on the other forum and re-posted them here. Didn't realise there was a contest going on.

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 17 May 2012, 09:48

Okay, here's my entry - the Berlin Schönefeld

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5464963

I wanted to make a circuit that would be good for GT and Le Mans racing first, rather than Formula 1. It took me a while to find the ideal airfield for this, but I eventually settled on the Berlin Schönefeld. I thought it was a good choice because while it is an international airport, it is smaller than the likes of Tegel. The circuit iself is run counter-clockwise.

The main straight is a kilometre long, with the start line about four hundred metres from the first corner, a long left-hander in the style of Parabolica. This open up into a series of fast left and right kinks before the second major braking point at turn five. There are a few surface changes here, from the concrete apron to old tarmac and the new runway as the cars turn right and head north.

Where the first half of the lap is all very fast and open, the second half requires precision in hitting the apexes. The circuit is still very wide at this point, so a lot of the corners are much faster than they appear. As they loop up around to the northern-most end of the circuit at turn eleven, the surface once again changes to giant slabs of cement, so the cars will be very sensitive to changes, particularly at high speed. This makes turn twelve critical, because drivers will be tempted to back off. Finally, the right-hand sweeper at turn thirteen feeds into the main straight, and is the fastest corner on the circuit.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 17 May 2012, 11:23

WaffleCat wrote:Also,a rule I forgot to mention,everybody only has to post one track.That means both dr-baker and especially Captain Hammer has to choose one of their tracks.

I suspected that rule might come into play, but did not exist when I posted! So...

dr-baker wrote:My first attempt is also an airport oval, at just over 2 miles long:

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5464602

Just so there is not a monopoly on airport ovals! And the airstrip would be ideal for a pit-lane, and a start line for a starting grid if a bit more space was required for that.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 17 May 2012, 21:23

i give you: the one and only North Sea Trophy in Koksijde (although i don't know the original lay-out of that track, though that one would be a lot different than this)

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5466355

Probably need to remove some chicanes due to the rules. I actually don't fully understand the lay-out of the roads here. I'm not entirely sure which one of them belong to the airfield or not.

I never knew we even had such airfields in Belgium

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 18 May 2012, 01:10

This wrote:i give you: the one and only North Sea Trophy in Koksijde (although i don't know the original lay-out of that track, though that one would be a lot different than this)

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5466355

Probably need to remove some chicanes due to the rules. I actually don't fully understand the lay-out of the roads here. I'm not entirely sure which one of them belong to the airfield or not.

I never knew we even had such airfields in Belgium

Good course, but too many chicanes! Here's a better solution:

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5466603

Davidellias · Post by **Davidellias** » 18 May 2012, 13:44

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5467404

Here's one around Ostend

WaffleCat · Post by **WaffleCat** » 18 May 2012, 14:38

Okay,I think I over-estimated my deadline by quite a bit.As such,the new deadline will be 31st May,noon GMT

There will be a "vote" at the end of the deadline that will last for 5 days.To vote,simply type down the track number(e.g. Track 1) for your favourtie and the Most Rejectful Track as well(E.g Most Rejectful:Track 4).

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 18 May 2012, 16:37

Vienna Airport
Here's one around Vienna Airport. A good mix(in my opinion) of slow and fast corners to give a good driving and watching experience (hopefully)
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5467747

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 18 May 2012, 18:21

JeremyMcClean wrote:
This wrote:i give you: the one and only North Sea Trophy in Koksijde (although i don't know the original lay-out of that track, though that one would be a lot different than this)

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5466355

Probably need to remove some chicanes due to the rules. I actually don't fully understand the lay-out of the roads here. I'm not entirely sure which one of them belong to the airfield or not.

I never knew we even had such airfields in Belgium

Good course, but too many chicanes! Here's a better solution:

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5466603

i did that chicanes on purpose, you ruined it, it was meant to be a worse-than-valencia

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 18 May 2012, 20:17

This wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:
This wrote:i give you: the one and only North Sea Trophy in Koksijde (although i don't know the original lay-out of that track, though that one would be a lot different than this)

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5466355

Probably need to remove some chicanes due to the rules. I actually don't fully understand the lay-out of the roads here. I'm not entirely sure which one of them belong to the airfield or not.

I never knew we even had such airfields in Belgium

Good course, but too many chicanes! Here's a better solution:

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5466603

i did that chicanes on purpose, you ruined it, it was meant to be a worse-than-valencia

Whoops, sorry about that. I thought our goal was to make a fan-friendly course

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 18 May 2012, 21:24

now unrelated to the contest: who needs the ring or indy when you can have both: the Ford test-track in Lommel, Belgium http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5468307

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 18 May 2012, 21:34

Captain Hammer wrote:Okay, here's my entry - the Berlin Schönefeld

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5464963

I must admit I am very tempted to steal your idea and go to the ITR headquarters and propose it as a possible DTM race. :lol:

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 18 May 2012, 21:43

Birmingham Airport

I was going to alter the end of the circuit slightly, but decided against it.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 19 May 2012, 03:00

Is the name of the game designing the worst circuit?

Well here's an intentionally bad one:
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5468644

And to make myself feel better, a re-do with WAY less chicanes:
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5468650

The location: I picked a random city on a globe, turned out to be Lisbon, Portugal.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 24 May 2012, 09:51

When's the deadline for this contest? Because we seem to have hit a wall with new entries now.

WaffleCat · Post by **WaffleCat** » 24 May 2012, 10:41

dr-baker wrote:When's the deadline for this contest? Because we seem to have hit a wall with new entries now.

I mentioned earlier in the thread that the deadline is on 31st May,noon.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 24 May 2012, 13:32

WaffleCat wrote:
dr-baker wrote:When's the deadline for this contest? Because we seem to have hit a wall with new entries now.

I mentioned earlier in the thread that the deadline is on 31st May,noon.

I also thought there was mention of bringing the deadline forward...