2012 Monaco Grand Prix discussion

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 24 May 2012, 21:40

Didn't someone say Monaco's like riding a bicycle through your front room?

If so, who?

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 24 May 2012, 21:46

Raj from the Big Bang Theory of course!

Sorry, I mean Nelson Piquet!

Post by **Nuppiz** » 24 May 2012, 21:59

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Shadaza wrote:
Gehard Berger wrote:They ask me what it is like to drive in Monaco and the first thing I say is "Oh shite, it's really tough."

Yet another reason why Gerhard Berger is awesome.

Speaking of which, you have a typing error in both the quote and your new signature.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 24 May 2012, 22:15

Pamphlet wrote:
fjackdaw wrote:I've been bemoaning the more modern helmet designs for some time - that they either change so often that the don't mean anything (Vettel), or they're so detailed and fiddly that they become 'generic racing helmet'. I've always felt that a driver's helmet is his heraldry, and a nice clean, bold design is what they should be aiming for. The 80s-2000s were great for that, but the last few years the new ones have started looking fairly similar. The Toro Rosso and Marussia drivers seem to be much of a muchness in particular.

I still think the whole "helmet describes the driver" thing is massively blown out of proportion. And the new helmets look much cooler than the ones in the previous eras.

I agree with fjackdaw and thus disagree with Pamphlet. One driver, one (max. two) helmet designs per career, that is distinctive from a distance.

QuickYoda41 · Post by **QuickYoda41** » 24 May 2012, 22:36

It's natural that the helmets are more detailed now (technology is improving) and thus a well-designed helmet nowadays looks better than an old one. Although well-looking isn't the most objective property. :lol:

But the helmet is a symbol, and as you wouldn't want to see cars changing their livery race after race, Vettel's dynamic helmet-design is also quite irritating - at least for me.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 24 May 2012, 22:49

QuickYoda41 wrote:Although well-looking isn't the most objective property.

Some of this season's cars prove this.

The Sauber for example looks horrible this year, and yet it's performing well.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 25 May 2012, 00:12

redbulljack14 wrote:
QuickYoda41 wrote:Although well-looking isn't the most objective property.

Some of this season's cars prove this.

The Sauber for example looks horrible this year, and yet it's performing well.

So why is Ferrari's car doing so poorly?

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 25 May 2012, 01:09

JeremyMcClean wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:
QuickYoda41 wrote:Although well-looking isn't the most objective property.

Some of this season's cars prove this.

The Sauber for example looks horrible this year, and yet it's performing well.

So why is Ferrari's car doing so poorly?

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 25 May 2012, 02:37

McLaren thinks Group Bahar are the team to beat at Monaco

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 25 May 2012, 04:20

The tribute helmets make me wonder: Schumacher should have reverted to his old helmet design (circa '91-99 I think), either for or from yhis race.

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 25 May 2012, 04:22

Or perhaps Schumacher should have worn a David Coulthard helmet this weekend, finally repaying the "tribute" !

Whatever happened to the supposedly "aerodynamic" helmet design first sported by Schumacher and later copied by most other people, anyway? They seem to have gone back to being round again these days.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 25 May 2012, 07:04

redbulljack14 wrote:Didn't someone say Monaco's like riding a bicycle through your front room?
If so, who?

As AndreaModa quite rightly said it was Nelson Piquet Snr. But I always thought to myself, you know what, I reckon my front room is one hell of a lot smaller than Mr Piquets is/was. I reckon hes got some sort of mansion somewhere and with that in mind Im sure his front room is mahoosive.

In which case riding a bicycle round your front room is a piece of piss, and so is driving round Monaco!

jackanderton · Post by **jackanderton** » 25 May 2012, 09:09

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18201521

A bomb disposal expert has undertaken a controlled explosion of a suspect package in the paddock at the Monaco Grand Prix circuit.

My first thought was wondering what Eddie Jordan's been sticking down his trousers.

Post by **mario** » 25 May 2012, 09:38

jackanderton wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18201521

A bomb disposal expert has undertaken a controlled explosion of a suspect package in the paddock at the Monaco Grand Prix circuit.

My first thought was wondering what Eddie Jordan's been sticking down his trousers.

His oversized wallet, no doubt...

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 25 May 2012, 09:53

Well, Piquet is the only driver who has three or more WDC and no Monaco win. Maybe that explains the quote.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 25 May 2012, 09:59

Bleu wrote:Well, Piquet is the only driver who has three or more WDC and no Monaco win. Maybe that explains the quote.

It is definitely possible, I can't really remember him doing well at Monaco. (That statement is mainly based off old results and Youtube videos.)

madmark1974 · Post by **madmark1974** » 25 May 2012, 10:18

eurobrun wrote:
Bleu wrote:Well, Piquet is the only driver who has three or more WDC and no Monaco win. Maybe that explains the quote.

It is definitely possible, I can't really remember him doing well at Monaco. (That statement is mainly based off old results and Youtube videos.)

Well, he was on pole position, led for 53 laps and then crashed out of the lead in 1981 ... So he WAS doing well then, at least for a while ...

And he also got fastest lap of the race and finished 2nd in 1983, as well as a 2nd in 1987. Not ~too~ bad, though apart from those results, pretty much no other success ..

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 25 May 2012, 11:51

Im now going to have a moment of quiet reflection for Olivier Panis' marvellous win 15 years ago. Join me, do. It wouldnt be out of place for you to hum the French national anthem with me if you want to, theres no pressure.

Thanks, I enjoyed that. Heres to you Olivier!

QuickYoda41 · Post by **QuickYoda41** » 25 May 2012, 11:55

I'm going with a more recent with from Monaco: a driver's from Espoo in a Lotus in Monaco, just an hour (or even less) ago... Something similar to come again, soon?

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 25 May 2012, 11:58

madmark1974 wrote:
eurobrun wrote:
Bleu wrote:Well, Piquet is the only driver who has three or more WDC and no Monaco win. Maybe that explains the quote.

It is definitely possible, I can't really remember him doing well at Monaco. (That statement is mainly based off old results and Youtube videos.)

Well, he was on pole position, led for 53 laps and then crashed out of the lead in 1981 ... So he WAS doing well then, at least for a while ...

And he also got fastest lap of the race and finished 2nd in 1983, as well as a 2nd in 1987. Not ~too~ bad, though apart from those results, pretty much no other success ..

Like having huge crashes like this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP56NpNxdn0

Post by **Nuppiz** » 25 May 2012, 12:25

AndreaModa wrote:Like having huge crashes like this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP56NpNxdn0

Gosh, look at the amount of Lewis fans in the comments!

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 25 May 2012, 13:41

Nuppiz wrote:
AndreaModa wrote:Like having huge crashes like this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP56NpNxdn0

Gosh, look at the amount of Lewis fans in the comments!

I know. I like Hamilton myself, but the level of Lewisteria on YouTube these days is shocking!!

Post by **Londoner** » 25 May 2012, 13:48

'WAH! THEY GAVE HAMILTON A PENALTY, NO-ONE IS ALOUD TO RACE EACH OTHER ANYMORE!'

And my family and friends wonder why I dislike Lewis Hamilton...

Back on-topic, Christian Horner has morphed into Captain Obvious with this prediction...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99844

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 25 May 2012, 14:03

East Londoner wrote:Back on-topic, Christian Horner has morphed into Captain Obvious with this prediction...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99844

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 25 May 2012, 14:10

Christian Horner is one of the most boring people within Formula1. He says the same stuff over and over again. 'Seb was unlucky' and 'Seb deserved it' etc.

Go home Christian Horner!!

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 25 May 2012, 14:25

It says a lot that the two most exciting things about Christian Horner are his foot-wobbling and that I had to explain to my mother that he's not Austrian. :lol:

Meh, sometimes competent people can be slightly boring. Get it?

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 25 May 2012, 14:48

AdrianSutil wrote:Christian Horner is one of the most boring people within Formula1. He says the same stuff over and over again. 'Seb was unlucky' and 'Seb deserved it' etc.
Go home Christian Horner!!

You missed out 'Mark has our full support'.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 25 May 2012, 14:51

CoopsII wrote:
AdrianSutil wrote:Christian Horner is one of the most boring people within Formula1. He says the same stuff over and over again. 'Seb was unlucky' and 'Seb deserved it' etc.
Go home Christian Horner!!

You missed out 'Mark has our full support'.

'But the crash between him and Vettel in Turkey 2010 was his fault despite not looking that way. I was confused at first but then I saw the light.'

Post by **mario** » 25 May 2012, 15:03

Nuppiz wrote:
AndreaModa wrote:Like having huge crashes like this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP56NpNxdn0

Gosh, look at the amount of Lewis fans in the comments!

Trust me, it never pays to read the comments on Youtube videos most of the time, for that way madness lies...

On a slight tangent to the race itself, there have been some discussions between Kimi and Boullier in the past few days after Kimi requested permission to compete in the WRC Rally of Finland, even though his contract is supposed to ban him from taking part in extreme sports outside of F1. Unsurprisingly, Boullier has point blank refused to make any exceptions for Kimi, pointing out that, after what happened to Kubica in the past, the team do not want to take the same risk twice. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99822

Pamphlet · Post by **Pamphlet** » 25 May 2012, 15:14

DanielPT wrote:
CoopsII wrote:
AdrianSutil wrote:Christian Horner is one of the most boring people within Formula1. He says the same stuff over and over again. 'Seb was unlucky' and 'Seb deserved it' etc.
Go home Christian Horner!!

You missed out 'Mark has our full support'.

'But the crash between him and Vettel in Turkey 2010 was his fault despite not looking that way. I was confused at first but then I saw the light.'

The most hilarious part about that is that, regardless of whoever's fault it was (read: Vettel's), Vettel was STILL the one who lost out more. -25 points as opposed to -3.

People seem to cry foul about that incident to this very day, demanding justice, but it's already been dealt.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 25 May 2012, 15:17

mario wrote:On a slight tangent to the race itself, there have been some discussions between Kimi and Boullier in the past few days after Kimi requested permission to compete in the WRC Rally of Finland, even though his contract is supposed to ban him from taking part in extreme sports outside of F1. Unsurprisingly, Boullier has point blank refused to make any exceptions for Kimi, pointing out that, after what happened to Kubica in the past, the team do not want to take the same risk twice.

The burnt child dreads the fire, really. Although, knowing Räikkönen's complete and utter lack of anything resembling professionalism he is going to do it anyhow. :lol:

Pamphlet · Post by **Pamphlet** » 25 May 2012, 15:18

Klon wrote:
mario wrote:On a slight tangent to the race itself, there have been some discussions between Kimi and Boullier in the past few days after Kimi requested permission to compete in the WRC Rally of Finland, even though his contract is supposed to ban him from taking part in extreme sports outside of F1. Unsurprisingly, Boullier has point blank refused to make any exceptions for Kimi, pointing out that, after what happened to Kubica in the past, the team do not want to take the same risk twice.

The burnt child dreads the fire, really. Although, knowing Räikkönen's complete and utter lack of anything resembling professionalism he is going to do it anyhow.

"I didn't really ask..."

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 25 May 2012, 15:22

mario wrote:On a slight tangent to the race itself, there have been some discussions between Kimi and Boullier in the past few days after Kimi requested permission to compete in the WRC Rally of Finland, even though his contract is supposed to ban him from taking part in extreme sports outside of F1. Unsurprisingly, Boullier has point blank refused to make any exceptions for Kimi, pointing out that, after what happened to Kubica in the past, the team do not want to take the same risk twice. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99822

After Kubica, I was not sure what Kimi was thinking or what hopes did he had. It was quite obvious that Toleman would refuse Kimi's request so soon after last year's unfortunate incident...

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 25 May 2012, 18:54

AndreaModa wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP56NpNxdn0

...given that Riccardo Patrese was involved, why did the uploader have to cut it off before James Hunt's inevitable scathing comment?

Boomstick · Post by **Boomstick** » 26 May 2012, 07:33

The one time we have a Alfa Romeo F1 car on here, we see it getting punted off!

I'm still upset that that was the first race that the Alfa V8 ran with decent (Bosch Motronic) EFI :-/ what the hell were they thinking?!?

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 26 May 2012, 10:01

I have four words for you: What the bathplug, Pastor? :lol:

tkcom · Post by **tkcom** » 26 May 2012, 10:03

Epic brainfart by the Reverend. Hero to Zero.

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 26 May 2012, 10:04

The old reverend is back - crash to end the session and looked like he (deliberately? he's got previous...) crashed into Perez.

Shadaza · Post by **Shadaza** » 26 May 2012, 10:05

Wizzie wrote:I have four words for you: What the bathplug, Pastor?

Deliberately crashes into Perez then a lap later crashes in the most bizarre fashion, causing red flags and giving the Williams team 2 hours to fix it. Bizarre.

Grosjean for pole!

Post by **mario** » 26 May 2012, 10:10

Wizzie wrote:I have four words for you: What the bathplug, Pastor?

That was pretty weird, wasn't it? I've never seen somebody knock their front wing off on the inside of that corner before. He's done quite a bit of damage to his car, though - that'll have put a lot of load through the gearbox too, so that'll be a fairly sizeable repair job.

GwilymJJames wrote:The old reverend is back - crash to end the session and looked like he (deliberately? he's got previous...) crashed into Perez.

Was that definitely Maldonado who did that? I thought that it might have been Bruno Senna actually (it was kind of hard to see who exactly was in the cockpit there, although the commentators initially thought it might have been Bruno rather than Maldonado).
Speaking of him, Perez was having some fairly sizeable bad luck towards the end of the session - he was lucky not to run into the back of Hulkenberg after Hulkenberg backed off on the turn in to the Noghes corner (I would not be surprised if Hulkenberg is given a warning for that, because it was a very dangerous place to suddenly slow down with another car following close behind).