The Hackneyed Debate - Reloaded

[fondmetal-fond]

I propose, against all common sense, to resurrect this: Senna or Schumacher

Plagiarizing the rating methods and criteria intorduced by Klon, See "F1 Reject Driver Ratings" on this same forum, please rate both on the following:

Raw Pace
Strategic Ability
"Can the driver make strategies work? Is he able to add and take speed out of his driving when needed? Can he win championships and hang on to leads?" (Quoting Klon)
Personal Reliability
"Can he keep the car on the track and bring it home? Can he add constant finishes or not? And how good is he as a team player?"
Entertainment Value
"Ever so important in this day and age. If a driver raises emotions, good or bad, here are the points for it. Is his driving style and his interviews entertaining or not?"
Personal Sympathy
This criterion was used by Klon, so it stays here. Given the two contenders, this is perhaps a foregone conclusion - or is it ? (Any virulent Alain Prost fans willing to play devil's advocate?) Anyway, rants go here - in concise form.

Another added criterion, extremely vague:
Determination
Drive to win over a season and a race

The reason behind my making this thread is that I only really started watching formula 1 around 1998 - 1999, and I saw Schumacher (in competitive machinery mostly) closely. All I have seen of Senna are his "classic" races, e.g. Estoril, Monaco, Donnington, Suzuka etc. I haven't followed Senna over a season, much less his career, so I don't have a good idea of what sort of a driver he was.

[shinji]

I don't know why people keep bringing this up - it's Ide, end of.

[fondmetal-fond]

I don't know why people keep bringing this up - it's Ide, end of.

True. But, what about the man in the black car, the one, the only: Eric van der Poele-position?

[CarlosFerreira]

Ayrton and Schumy were not fun. How about Damon Hill vs Jenson Button?

[WeirdKerr]

when a saw the title of this thread my first thoughts were of the infamous incident that "Launched" a certain German drivers career

[Klon]

Don't wanna be nitpicky, but why don't we just wait the few months (or years ) before we get to Senna in my thread to have the perfect comparison. ^^

[fondmetal-fond]

Don't wanna be nitpicky, but why don't we just wait the few months (or years ) before we get to Senna in my thread to have the perfect comparison. ^^

Motion Carried! From the 2004 season back to the '92 season!!
I joined this site just a few days ago, and was wondering: are Olivier Grouillard and Eric van der Poele thought of highly here?
I've watched their clips from that era - but that's just because (as my name suggests) I am obsessed with the Fondmetal car
This next question should reveal my ignorance: What did they do after fondmetal folded?

[shinji]

Don't wanna be nitpicky, but why don't we just wait the few months (or years ) before we get to Senna in my thread to have the perfect comparison. ^^

Motion Carried! From the 2004 season back to the '92 season!!
I joined this site just a few days ago, and was wondering: are Olivier Grouillard and Eric van der Poele thought of highly here?
I've watched their clips from that era - but that's just because (as my name suggests) I am obsessed with the Fondmetal car
This next question should reveal my ignorance: What did they do after fondmetal folded?

http://www.f1rejects.com/drivers/grouillard/biography.html#after


http://www.f1rejects.com/drivers/vandepoele/biography.html#after

van de Poele is much loved as he contacted Jamie and Enoch (unless I'm mistaken), Grouillard less so.

[fondmetal-fond]

van de Poele is much loved as he contacted Jamie and Enoch (unless I'm mistaken), Grouillard less so.

That's good! I just saw his biography on this site. Its good to know he got to race a lot after 1992. I always had this lingering, slightly guilty, feeling that Fondmetal's folding destroyed many promising careers Good to know that Eric at least did well after that!!
(Tarquini is a Maserati test driver now, I believe. I wonder if he's driven their uber 50's GP car)

[Phoenix]

Don't wanna be nitpicky, but why don't we just wait the few months (or years ) before we get to Senna in my thread to have the perfect comparison. ^^

Motion Carried! From the 2004 season back to the '92 season!!
I joined this site just a few days ago, and was wondering: are Olivier Grouillard and Eric van der Poele thought of highly here?
I've watched their clips from that era - but that's just because (as my name suggests) I am obsessed with the Fondmetal car
This next question should reveal my ignorance: What did they do after fondmetal folded?

Fondmetal the enterprise carried on with the alloy wheels business. Eric van de Poele never drove in F1 again, and Tarquini only returned (if I'm not mistaken) in 1995 replacing Ukyo Katayama in Tyrrell for one race.

[midgrid]

Fondmetal sponsored Tyrrell in 1995, whilst the Forti FG01 chassis was in several ways developed from the Fondmetal GR02. Gabriele Rumi was then involved in the buy-out of Minardi in 1997. He effectively owned the team from 1998 to 2000, but had to sell the team to Paul Stoddart in 2001 as he had been diagnosed with terminal cancer, which killed him later that year.

[shinji]

Fondmetal sponsored Tyrrell in 1995, whilst the Forti FG01 chassis was in several ways developed from the Fondmetal GR02. Gabriele Rumi was then involved in the buy-out of Minardi in 1997. He effectively owned the team from 1998 to 2000, but had to sell the team to Paul Stoddart in 2001 as he had been diagnosed with terminal cancer, which killed him later that year.

Didn't know that. Sad.