The 2012 British Grand Prix Discussion Thread

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 06 Jul 2012, 23:27

What I don't understand is why they avoid using wet tyres, when we all know that the SC will be deployed and/or the race will be red flagged as soon as the track is too wet for intermediates. :roll:

I hate when it's raining hard and they refuse to pit for the proper, wet tyres just to avoid a pitstop, then everyone starts aquaplanning and the race is stopped because "it's dangerous". Of course it is, but only because people are choosing not to run the correct tyres! As they stop the race very soon, they give an incentive to stay out on intermediate tyres instead of switching to wets, so that the next time less and less people pit, and so on. The only time they got it right in recent years was the 2008 British GP, when the rain started to fall harder but the SC stayed in: Barrichello took advantage of the conditions to switch to wet tyres and score a podium in a crap Honda.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 07 Jul 2012, 00:57

kostas22 wrote:
AdrianSutil wrote:
eurobrun wrote:I agree, I actually quite like the team now.

GO GROSJEAN!

What?! He's turning!

I think the Grosjean avatar I made him wear has finally got to him.

No, look at my original post on the other page :roll:

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 07 Jul 2012, 00:57

Ferrim wrote:I hate when it's raining hard and they refuse to pit for the proper, wet tyres just to avoid a pitstop, then everyone starts aquaplanning and the race is stopped because "it's dangerous". Of course it is, but only because people are choosing not to run the correct tyres! As they stop the race very soon, they give an incentive to stay out on intermediate tyres instead of switching to wets, so that the next time less and less people pit, and so on. The only time they got it right in recent years was the 2008 British GP, when the rain started to fall harder but the SC stayed in: Barrichello took advantage of the conditions to switch to wet tyres and score a podium in a crap Honda.

Then again, one has to remember that the Bridgestone intermediate had the widest operating window known to man as it could be used from a virtually dry track all the way to a virtual monsoon and everything in between. The Pirelli inter on the other hand has a much smaller operating window in which it can be used.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 07 Jul 2012, 01:06

eurobrun wrote:
kostas22 wrote:I think the Grosjean avatar I made him wear has finally got to him.

No, look at my original post on the other page

What, the one where you said 'GO GROSJEAN'?

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 07 Jul 2012, 01:09

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
eurobrun wrote:
kostas22 wrote:I think the Grosjean avatar I made him wear has finally got to him.

No, look at my original post on the other page

What, the one where you said 'GO GROSJEAN'?

No, the post on page 1

Gerudo Dragon · Post by **Gerudo Dragon** » 07 Jul 2012, 02:02

JESUS CHRIST KOVALEINEN IN 7TH?!

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 07 Jul 2012, 07:59

East Londoner wrote:Sadly knowing what this country is like, I wonder how long it will be until some numpties blame the Silverstone organisers for the torrential weather?

Jackpot

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 07 Jul 2012, 09:01

Quick question: Why are Williams in the pit garages closest to Pit Exit? Shouldn't that be where Marussia are?

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 07 Jul 2012, 09:05

Wizzie wrote:Quick question: Why are Williams in the pit garages closest to Pit Exit? Shouldn't that be where Marussia are?

AIUI, because of the design of the pitlane the "big teams" (Red Bull, McLaren, Ferrari) can not be seen from the grandstands when they are at the ends. So they've been put in the middle and the other, "irrelevant" teams have been forced to the ends.

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 07 Jul 2012, 09:23

Charles Pic car failure, RED FLAG

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 07 Jul 2012, 09:23

Red Flag. Pic's broken down just before Becketts.

Was actually doing a fantastic job as he was fastest out of all the new teams before that happened

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 07 Jul 2012, 09:30

Lotus are doing yet more powersteering work on their car. That may sound boring, except it's NOT on Kimi's car for once :lol:

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 07 Jul 2012, 09:33

That puddle smack bang in the middle of Chapel is one of the dodgiest things I've ever seen. How that hasn't ended with the mother and father of all big shunts yet is beyond me

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 07 Jul 2012, 09:36

Hang on, what's going on? It's supposed to be raining cats and dogs, no? Are we still in for rain during qualifying?

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 07 Jul 2012, 09:40

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:Hang on, what's going on? It's supposed to be raining cats and dogs, no? Are we still in for rain during qualifying?

There's still showers in the area and the clouds when looking out on the exit of Copse look really bad but, in all honesty, it's anyone's guess.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 07 Jul 2012, 09:52

Horrible 30 seconds for Sauber. Kobayashi spins at Club and Perez rips off a front wing

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 07 Jul 2012, 09:52

Did someone just accidentally lean on a "self-destruct" button in the Sauber pits...?

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 07 Jul 2012, 09:53

Paul Hayes wrote:Did someone just accidentally lean on a "self-destruct" button in the Sauber pits...?

Maybe it was Massa in a last ditch attempt to save his Ferrari drive :lol:

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 07 Jul 2012, 09:54

Ooh, second car failure for Pic.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 07 Jul 2012, 09:55

GwilymJJames wrote:Ooh, second car failure for Pic.

Probably the same problem as last time (Which was, from memory a fuel pickup problem of some description

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 07 Jul 2012, 09:57

Apparently there's some very nasty clouds closing in from the Milton Keynes direction. Can anyone from that direction clarify that for us?

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 07 Jul 2012, 09:59

Surprise Vulcan flyover? Melrose approves. :lol:

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 07 Jul 2012, 10:02

Let's hope Button can carry his practice form through to the later stages of the weekend this time!

Mind you, looks like we could have a bit of "Jenson-Button-Wetter", as our German friends probably don't say, tomorrow.

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 07 Jul 2012, 10:04

Wizzie wrote:Apparently there's some very nasty clouds closing in from the Milton Keynes direction. Can anyone from that direction clarify that for us?

There are some clouds, but I've seen no rain.

Oh it's raining there.

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 07 Jul 2012, 10:23

Wizzie wrote:
Paul Hayes wrote:Did someone just accidentally lean on a "self-destruct" button in the Sauber pits...?

Maybe it was Massa in a last ditch attempt to save his Ferrari drive

Both Saubers looked very unstable to me, they can be happy to have finished the session with relatively minor damage.

It's raining at Silverstone right now, according to Ferrari's Twitter feed.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 07 Jul 2012, 11:25

A Force India feature on Sky WITHOUT talking to Di Resta? What in the name of all things holy has happened :lol:

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 07 Jul 2012, 11:27

Apparently Murray Walker's going to be a guest in the commentary box for the BBC during qualifying, which is rather nice!

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 07 Jul 2012, 11:29

pasta_maldonado wrote:A Force India feature on Sky WITHOUT talking to Di Resta? What in the name of all things holy has happened

If there's one thing I've always liked about the Sky coverage, it has to be all the segments on the history of F1 and the like.

Like the one with Moss and Brooks right now

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 07 Jul 2012, 11:33

Wizzie wrote:
pasta_maldonado wrote:A Force India feature on Sky WITHOUT talking to Di Resta? What in the name of all things holy has happened

If there's one thing I've always liked about the Sky coverage, it has to be all the segments on the history of F1 and the like.

Like the one with Moss and Brooks right now

It's a nice touch that hasn't been incorporated into coverage before

I wish the historic race re caps were a little longer, like th old BBC red button ones

WaffleCat · Post by **WaffleCat** » 07 Jul 2012, 11:38

Paul Hayes wrote:Apparently Murray Walker's going to be a guest in the commentary box for the BBC during qualifying, which is rather nice!

Murray Walker and Ben Edwards together?

My life's commentating dream team duo is complete.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 07 Jul 2012, 11:58

You know, if I was the strategist of a midfield team, I'd fill both my cars up and just have them circulating for the entire qualifying session and just change the tyres when necessary. That way, they'll at least be on track when the conditions are at their best. Then again, I'm not an F1 team strategist :lol:

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 07 Jul 2012, 11:59

Chandhok spotted at Force India, let's start a rumour.

Post by **Londoner** » 07 Jul 2012, 11:59

Blimey, they're all going out! This is gonna be mental.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 07 Jul 2012, 12:02

Kimi's got no KERS already

Post by **Londoner** » 07 Jul 2012, 12:02

Di Resta nearly derped into one of the Williams already.

Post by **Londoner** » 07 Jul 2012, 12:04

Kimi and Grosjean nearly into each other.

S951 · Post by **S951** » 07 Jul 2012, 12:12

come on hrt put some softs on take a risk

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 07 Jul 2012, 12:13

Rosberg in the drop zone with less than 10 minutes left

Post by **Londoner** » 07 Jul 2012, 12:13

This is going be a case of 'last man over the line'.

Kamui has apparenly gone on to drys. Foolhardy or a stroke of genius?

Post by **Londoner** » 07 Jul 2012, 12:15

Christ, what on earth is going on with Bunsen?