F1RWRS -- 2014 Season

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 03 Aug 2012, 17:20

That is without bonuses, right Aerond?

Meanwhile: TROPICO! Y U NO UPGRADE UR CAR? :lol:

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 03 Aug 2012, 20:07

Has ROTY been decided yet?

(Plus, I'll be away from this Sunday until Friday, so I hope I will not miss any opportunities in the meantime...)

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 03 Aug 2012, 20:54

dr-baker wrote:Has ROTY been decided yet?

(Plus, I'll be away from this Sunday until Friday, so I hope I will not miss any opportunities in the meantime...)

Didn't Nathanael Spencer win that award?

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 03 Aug 2012, 20:55

JeremyMcClean wrote:
dr-baker wrote:Has ROTY been decided yet?

(Plus, I'll be away from this Sunday until Friday, so I hope I will not miss any opportunities in the meantime...)

Didn't Nathanael Spencer win that award?

Damn. How did Jack Christopherson do in that?

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 03 Aug 2012, 20:58

dr-baker wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:
dr-baker wrote:Has ROTY been decided yet?

(Plus, I'll be away from this Sunday until Friday, so I hope I will not miss any opportunities in the meantime...)

Didn't Nathanael Spencer win that award?

Damn. How did Jack Christopherson do in that?

Well, if you take this post from Aerond, which I'm assuming is the official nominations for ROTY, then Christopherson fails to make the podium.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 03 Aug 2012, 22:43

Something tells me that Dofasco are in a whole world of trouble for 2015.

FMecha wrote:That is without bonuses, right Aerond?

Meanwhile: TROPICO! Y U NO UPGRADE UR CAR?

That is correct. And who in their right mind would spend money trying to fix that shitbox of a car? :lol:

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 03 Aug 2012, 23:40

How does the prize money work? I know the bottom teams get the most and the top teams less, so we should pick up a handful of much-needed credits, but is there a final decision yet?

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 03 Aug 2012, 23:55

AdrianSutil wrote:How does the prize money work? I know the bottom teams get the most and the top teams less, so we should pick up a handful of much-needed credits, but is there a final decision yet?

Not exactly; teams earn credits by scoring points, winning races and for final classification, pole positions and fastest laps are useful, as well as ROTR and ROTY awards. Then there´s TV Money which guarantees a minimum income for every team, with the slower teams earning more than top teams to equalise things a bit.
Last but not least, PreQ teams earn a bit more as well through PreQ cup.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 04 Aug 2012, 00:03

Wizzie wrote:Something tells me that Dofasco are in a whole world of trouble for 2015.

I've known this since halfway through last season :lol:

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 04 Aug 2012, 00:04

Aerond wrote:
AdrianSutil wrote:How does the prize money work? I know the bottom teams get the most and the top teams less, so we should pick up a handful of much-needed credits, but is there a final decision yet?

Not exactly; teams earn credits by scoring points, winning races and for final classification, pole positions and fastest laps are useful, as well as ROTR and ROTY awards. Then there´s TV Money which guarantees a minimum income for every team, with the slower teams earning more than top teams to equalise things a bit.
Last but not least, PreQ teams earn a bit more as well through PreQ cup.

Speaking of prize money, I've completely forgotten what the new amounts for signing F2RWRS drivers was as I haven't updated it on the regulations page in a while. Could you please clarify what it is?

And we are using the new Pre-Q prize structure, correct?

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 04 Aug 2012, 01:17

Aerond wrote:Not the 2015 calendar draft; but this is the accountings after Japanese GP (Penalties for exceeding the driver limit to Trueba Alitalia and Mitie accounted):

DNGineering: 60
Gillet: 0
HRT: 80
Jones: 5
Arrowtech: 0
Sunshine: 0
ARC: 160
GRM: 30
Prospec: 240
Foxdale: 25
Kamaha: 0
MRT: 0
Phoenix: 160
Trueba Alitalia: 230
Tropico: 560
Dofasco: 0
Mitie: 210
Acuri: 160
Shonan: 260
Mecha: 55

Is this before end of season prize money is given out? Or after?

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 04 Aug 2012, 01:23

kostas22 wrote:
Aerond wrote:Not the 2015 calendar draft; but this is the accountings after Japanese GP (Penalties for exceeding the driver limit to Trueba Alitalia and Mitie accounted):

DNGineering: 60
Gillet: 0
HRT: 80
Jones: 5
Arrowtech: 0
Sunshine: 0
ARC: 160
GRM: 30
Prospec: 240
Foxdale: 25
Kamaha: 0
MRT: 0
Phoenix: 160
Trueba Alitalia: 230
Tropico: 560
Dofasco: 0
Mitie: 210
Acuri: 160
Shonan: 260
Mecha: 55

Is this before end of season prize money is given out? Or after?

That's before the prize money is given out.

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 04 Aug 2012, 10:14

Aerond wrote:
AdrianSutil wrote:How does the prize money work? I know the bottom teams get the most and the top teams less, so we should pick up a handful of much-needed credits, but is there a final decision yet?

Not exactly; teams earn credits by scoring points, winning races and for final classification, pole positions and fastest laps are useful, as well as ROTR and ROTY awards. Then there´s TV Money which guarantees a minimum income for every team, with the slower teams earning more than top teams to equalise things a bit.
Last but not least, PreQ teams earn a bit more as well through PreQ cup.

Yeah it's the TV money I was inquiring about. Thanks.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 04 Aug 2012, 10:40

JeremyMcClean wrote:Well, if you take this post from Aerond, which I'm assuming is the official nominations for ROTY, then Christopherson fails to make the podium.

I assumed that those were simply his nominations, rather than final classifications for ROTY? But Aerond is boss, so if it is final, then so be it.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 04 Aug 2012, 11:00

No, those were just my suggestions as to who should be ROTY. IMHO neither Shonan or Tropico or Mecha should be ROTY, why? Very simple, these teams did the best they could with the resources at their disposal; in fact Tropico jumped ahead and sure will jump again next season. Now I´ll take into account your nominations and will elaborate the Top 3 ROTY.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 04 Aug 2012, 11:02

Aerond wrote:No, those were just my suggestions as to who should be ROTY. IMHO neither Shonan or Tropico or Mecha should be ROTY, why? Very simple, these teams did the best they could with the resources at their disposal; in fact Tropico jumped ahead and sure will jump again next season. Now I´ll take into account your nominations and will elaborate the Top 3 ROTY.

I agree with your assessment on Tropico and Shonan. Mecha on the other hand have done everything in their power to be in contention with their second-half implosion :lol:

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 04 Aug 2012, 11:20

Wizzie wrote:
Aerond wrote:No, those were just my suggestions as to who should be ROTY. IMHO neither Shonan or Tropico or Mecha should be ROTY, why? Very simple, these teams did the best they could with the resources at their disposal; in fact Tropico jumped ahead and sure will jump again next season. Now I´ll take into account your nominations and will elaborate the Top 3 ROTY.

I agree with your assessment on Tropico and Shonan. Mecha on the other hand have done everything in their power to be in contention with their second-half implosion

IMHO Remindergate,the Al Faisal lawsuit, and sacking all senior personnel in conjunction with the poor performance IMHO gives them a solid Reject of the Year nomination

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 04 Aug 2012, 11:29

pasta_maldonado wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
Aerond wrote:No, those were just my suggestions as to who should be ROTY. IMHO neither Shonan or Tropico or Mecha should be ROTY, why? Very simple, these teams did the best they could with the resources at their disposal; in fact Tropico jumped ahead and sure will jump again next season. Now I´ll take into account your nominations and will elaborate the Top 3 ROTY.

I agree with your assessment on Tropico and Shonan. Mecha on the other hand have done everything in their power to be in contention with their second-half implosion

IMHO Remindergate,the Al Faisal lawsuit, and sacking all senior personnel in conjunction with the poor performance IMHO gives them a solid Reject of the Year nomination

But wouldn't that effectivrly be rewarding for all the controversey they created.

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 04 Aug 2012, 12:28

^Then put it in 3rd position - no reward for it IIRC.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 04 Aug 2012, 13:03

eurobrun wrote:But wouldn't that effectivrly be rewarding for all the controversey they created.

Exactly. And if we all think about it, it all wasn't that controversial was it? If we were awarding it based on that, Alitalia would walk away with it, maybe followed in second by Jones!

But the point is, those instances are all engineered by the members in control of the teams, so if Mecha won ROTY just for a few news articles he wrote, then everyone would be doing that. The trick with controversial incidents is to pick the most opportune moment, in line with surrounding events, and to not post them too frequently.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 04 Aug 2012, 13:33

AndreaModa wrote:
eurobrun wrote:But wouldn't that effectivrly be rewarding for all the controversey they created.

Exactly. And if we all think about it, it all wasn't that controversial was it? If we were awarding it based on that, Alitalia would walk away with it, maybe followed in second by Jones!

I have to disagree with you there - who is the Best In The World™ at creating controversy?

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 04 Aug 2012, 13:35

Klon wrote:
AndreaModa wrote:
eurobrun wrote:But wouldn't that effectivrly be rewarding for all the controversey they created.

Exactly. And if we all think about it, it all wasn't that controversial was it? If we were awarding it based on that, Alitalia would walk away with it, maybe followed in second by Jones!

I have to disagree with you there - who is the Best In The World™ at creating controversy?

Mr Lon himself :lol:

(But it was 2013

)

Speaking of which, TROPICO! Y U NO UPGRADE UR CAR? :twisted:

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 04 Aug 2012, 14:21

AndreaModa wrote:
eurobrun wrote:But wouldn't that effectivrly be rewarding for all the controversey they created.

Exactly. And if we all think about it, it all wasn't that controversial was it? If we were awarding it based on that, Alitalia would walk away with it, maybe followed in second by Jones!

I can haz ROTY money nao?

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 04 Aug 2012, 17:52

kostas22 wrote:
AndreaModa wrote:
eurobrun wrote:But wouldn't that effectivrly be rewarding for all the controversey they created.

Exactly. And if we all think about it, it all wasn't that controversial was it? If we were awarding it based on that, Alitalia would walk away with it, maybe followed in second by Jones!

I can haz ROTY money nao?

What? Jack Christopherson wasn't the runaway winner of the award?

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 04 Aug 2012, 19:53

So Shonan has 260, will get 10 from the PreQ cup (...for scoring nothing!), so that's 270 plus the TV money.
Should be enough for a chassis replacement.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 04 Aug 2012, 23:39

Shizuka wrote:So Shonan has 260, will get 10 from the PreQ cup (...for scoring nothing!), so that's 270 plus the TV money.
Should be enough for a chassis replacement.

It isn't 10 anymore. The system got changed two weeks ago and it's now 20. It's just that nobody's been bothered to add it to the regulations page yet. :lol:

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 05 Aug 2012, 00:03

dr-baker wrote:
kostas22 wrote:
AndreaModa wrote:Exactly. And if we all think about it, it all wasn't that controversial was it? If we were awarding it based on that, Alitalia would walk away with it, maybe followed in second by Jones!

I can haz ROTY money nao?

What? Jack Christopherson wasn't the runaway winner of the award?

That's because except for his fluke win in France, his teammate Douglas Mann wasn't that much better :lol:

SuperAguri · Post by **SuperAguri** » 05 Aug 2012, 01:33

Autosport wrote:Kamaha offer Jesus Plaza contract

Kamaha have offered out of work driver Jesus Plaza a contract as reserve driver for the Kamaha team, if he accepts then Kamaha will easily set the record of team with the most number of starts between the drivers without a race win. Amazingly this number will be more then all the other teams drivers combined.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 05 Aug 2012, 01:37

Autosport wrote:Kamaha offer Jesus Plaza contract

Kamaha have offered out of work driver Jesus Plaza a contract as reserve driver for the Kamaha team, if he accepts then Kamaha will easily set the record of team with the most number of starts between the drivers without a race win. Amazingly this number will be more then all the other teams drivers combined.

Why this kid doesn't have a race drive for 2015 yet muppets like Darren Older Jr do is a crime against humanity.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 05 Aug 2012, 02:00

Wizzie wrote:
Autosport wrote:Kamaha offer Jesus Plaza contract

Kamaha have offered out of work driver Jesus Plaza a contract as reserve driver for the Kamaha team, if he accepts then Kamaha will easily set the record of team with the most number of starts between the drivers without a race win. Amazingly this number will be more then all the other teams drivers combined.

Why this kid doesn't have a race drive for 2015 yet muppets like Darren Older Jr do is a crime against humanity.

I would have tried to sign him for Autodynamics but I needed a pay driver.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 05 Aug 2012, 02:57

eurobrun wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
Autosport wrote:Kamaha offer Jesus Plaza contract

Kamaha have offered out of work driver Jesus Plaza a contract as reserve driver for the Kamaha team, if he accepts then Kamaha will easily set the record of team with the most number of starts between the drivers without a race win. Amazingly this number will be more then all the other teams drivers combined.

Why this kid doesn't have a race drive for 2015 yet muppets like Darren Older Jr do is a crime against humanity.

I would have tried to sign him for Autodynamics but I needed a pay driver.

Isn't Plaza a pay-driver?

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 05 Aug 2012, 03:05

JeremyMcClean wrote:
eurobrun wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Why this kid doesn't have a race drive for 2015 yet muppets like Darren Older Jr do is a crime against humanity.

I would have tried to sign him for Autodynamics but I needed a pay driver.

Isn't Plaza a pay-driver?

Surprisingly, no. Doesn't change the fact that he deserves a drive more than Spencer, D. Mann or Older Jr though :lol:

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 05 Aug 2012, 05:51

Wizzie wrote:It isn't 10 anymore. The system got changed two weeks ago and it's now 20. It's just that nobody's been bothered to add it to the regulations page yet.

Oh yeah, forgot about that. 280 plus TV money - has to be enough for a chassis.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 05 Aug 2012, 05:53

Shizuka wrote:
Wizzie wrote:It isn't 10 anymore. The system got changed two weeks ago and it's now 20. It's just that nobody's been bothered to add it to the regulations page yet.

Oh yeah, forgot about that. 280 plus TV money - has to be enough for a chassis.

280 + Either 390 or 400... That's enough to basically hit the reset button :lol:

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 05 Aug 2012, 06:50

Not bad.
I still wouldn't buy the Jordan 191 with that :lol:

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 05 Aug 2012, 07:02

Shizuka wrote:Not bad.
I still wouldn't buy the Jordan 191 with that

The Jordan 191's ridiculously overpriced. Then again, the price for half the components on the list have no correlation to their actual stats relative to everything else.

Seriously though, with that amount of money, not only can you get yourself a half-decent chassis but you can upgrade to the IV Spec Ford HB as well.

Speaking of Ford, I kinda like the fact that they supplied eight teams on the grid for 2014. Brings back the glory days of 80s and 90s F1 where virtually every privateer team had either a Ford, a Hart or a Judd engine. Man, we need more Hart and Judd engines just for the hell of it :lol:

Post by **tommykl** » 05 Aug 2012, 07:12

Wizzie wrote:
Shizuka wrote:Not bad.
I still wouldn't buy the Jordan 191 with that

The Jordan 191's ridiculously overpriced. Then again, the price for half the components on the list have no correlation to their actual stats relative to everything else.

Seriously though, with that amount of money, not only can you get yourself a half-decent chassis but you can upgrade to the IV Spec Ford HB as well.

Speaking of Ford, I kinda like the fact that they supplied eight teams on the grid for 2014. Brings back the glory days of 80s and 90s F1 where virtually every privateer team had either a Ford, a Hart or a Judd engine. Man, we need more Hart and Judd engines just for the hell of it

Hell, even I've got a Judd engine :lol:

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 05 Aug 2012, 09:28

Wizzie wrote:Seriously though, with that amount of money, not only can you get yourself a half-decent chassis but you can upgrade to the IV Spec Ford HB as well.

Actually, that's my plan to do for 2016 :lol:

But only a chassis swap first.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 05 Aug 2012, 09:53

AndreaModa wrote:Exactly. And if we all think about it, it all wasn't that controversial was it? If we were awarding it based on that, Alitalia would walk away with it, maybe followed in second by Jones

kostas22 wrote: I can haz ROTY money nao?

dr-baker wrote:
What? Jack Christopherson wasn't the runaway winner of the award?

Wizzie wrote:That's because except for his fluke win in France, his teammate Douglas Mann wasn't that much better

But his replacements proved to be much, much better in the same seat...

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 05 Aug 2012, 16:54

I'm still waiting for the engine list to come out to see what new engines are available, but I might sell my Ford to get the Ilmor.