RIP Manor Racing (2010-2017)

[Captain Hammer]

What kind of backing does Haryanto have? Don't see how he can compete with Chilton's endless stream of money from Bank of Rich Daddy unless his financers have some serious clout.

Most of his sponsorship comes from Pertamina, which is owned by the Indonesian government and is the world's largest producer and exporter of liquefied natural gas.

Your move, Chilton.

[TomWazzleshaw]

What kind of backing does Haryanto have? Don't see how he can compete with Chilton's endless stream of money from Bank of Rich Daddy unless his financers have some serious clout.

Most of his sponsorship comes from Pertamina, which is owned by the Indonesian government and is the world's largest producer and exporter of liquefied natural gas.

Your move, Chilton.

Daddy Chilton is the Vice President of the largest insurance firm in the world.

Your move, Rio.

[FMecha]

What kind of backing does Haryanto have? Don't see how he can compete with Chilton's endless stream of money from Bank of Rich Daddy unless his financers have some serious clout.

Most of his sponsorship comes from Pertamina, which is owned by the Indonesian government and is the world's largest producer and exporter of liquefied natural gas.

Your move, Chilton.

Daddy Chilton is the Vice President of the largest insurance firm in the world whose company is/was a sponsor of Manchester United.

Your move, Rio.

Fixed.
(The answer is Aon)

[pasta_maldonado]

Most of his sponsorship comes from Pertamina, which is owned by the Indonesian government and is the world's largest producer and exporter of liquefied natural gas.

Your move, Chilton.

Daddy Chilton is the Vice President of the largest insurance firm in the world who sponsored Shitebag United
Your move, Rio.

Fixed.
(The answer is Aon)

Fixed again

[Klon]

Oh, HWNSNBMfakkendammit! You have a football thread, keep those feces there.

[DemocalypseNow]

Oh, HWNSNBMfakkendammit! You have a football thread, keep those feces there.

[AdrianSutil]

Oh, HWNSNBMfakkendammit! You have a football thread, keep those feces there.

I'd like to punch him in the face.

[Ataxia]

Oh, HWNSNBMfakkendammit! You have a football thread, keep those feces there.

I'd like to punch him in the face.

Looking at his face, someone beat you to it.

[Captain Hammer]

What kind of backing does Haryanto have? Don't see how he can compete with Chilton's endless stream of money from Bank of Rich Daddy unless his financers have some serious clout.

Most of his sponsorship comes from Pertamina, which is owned by the Indonesian government and is the world's largest producer and exporter of liquefied natural gas.

Your move, Chilton.

Daddy Chilton is the Vice President of the largest insurance firm in the world.

Your move, Rio.

Pertamina is still larger than said insurance firm.

[DemocalypseNow]

Most of his sponsorship comes from Pertamina, which is owned by the Indonesian government and is the world's largest producer and exporter of liquefied natural gas.

Your move, Chilton.

Daddy Chilton is the Vice President of the largest insurance firm in the world.

Your move, Rio.

Pertamina is still larger than said insurance firm.

AON annual revenue: $1 billion
Pertamina annual revenue: $61.5 billion

Not much contest tbh.

[Captain Hammer]

And it's not like Daddy Chilton has the sole say over where the money that the company earns will go. It's all well and good for him to want to get his son a drive in Formula 1, but he'd have to convince the board of directors to back the sponsorship package. On the other hand, Rio Haryanto has no such problems - all his sponsors are owned or part-owned by the Indonesian government, so it's clear they want to promote Indonesia to the world.

[RonDenisDeletraz]

Chilton is faster, but Haryanto has more money. I'm not sure who I would rather.

[Captain Hammer]

Chilton for now. He has the advantage of having done an extra season in GP2. I think Haryanto has the potential to cut it in Formula 1, but he doesn't have enough experience yet, so promoting him now would be a mistake.

[Ataxia]

Chilton for now. He has the advantage of having done an extra season in GP2. I think Haryanto has the potential to cut it in Formula 1, but he doesn't have enough experience yet, so promoting him now would be a mistake.

Agreed. And Chevrolet are taking over Aon's sponsorship of Man Utd after next season, so they'll probably have room to help Chilton get into F1.

[Captain Hammer]

Of course, that assumes there is a vacancy in the team. Marussia are said to be very happy with Pic, and while Timo Glock isn't happy with him, he'll stay at the team if it's the only drive available.

[inchworm]

Could Glock be on his way given his recent form and outbursts?

[RonDenisDeletraz]

Could Glock be on his way given his recent form and outbursts?

I think this is more than likely.

[TomWazzleshaw]

Could Glock be on his way given his recent form and outbursts?

I think this is more than likely.

More than likely? It'll be a miracle if either party can tolerate the other for next year?

[mario]

Could Glock be on his way given his recent form and outbursts?

I think this is more than likely.

More than likely? It'll be a miracle if either party can tolerate the other for next year?

It doesn't look all that promising - we heard Glock making some pretty damning comments over the radio last year (even if he did sign a contract extension to 2014), coupled to something of a slump in form when compared to D'Ambrosio, and this row with Pic is unlikely to help things either. Add to that the frustration Glock must feel given that the team is no closer to the front than in its first year (in terms of relative pace), plus the fact that the team is still going through major changes in management for little benefit, and I can see why relations between Glock and the team are a little troubled, such that I wouldn't be surprised if either Glock or Marussia terminate that deal before it is up.
Glock must be ruing the day that he walked away from negotiations with Renault in 2010 - whilst, to be fair to him, the concerns at the time over the long term stability of that team was scaring quite a few people away, he must be wondering what might have happened if he had wound up there instead.

[DemocalypseNow]

Timo Glock to retire from F1 and become Breckin Meyer's stunt driving double?

[Faustus]

Chilton is faster, but Haryanto has more money. I'm not sure who I would rather.

Haryanto. According to my mate who is one of the race engineers at Carlin, he has more potential than Max. Plus he might turn out to be like Pedro Diniz, talented and loaded.

[Faustus]

It doesn't look all that promising - we heard Glock making some pretty damning comments over the radio last year (even if he did sign a contract extension to 2014), coupled to something of a slump in form when compared to D'Ambrosio, and this row with Pic is unlikely to help things either. Add to that the frustration Glock must feel given that the team is no closer to the front than in its first year (in terms of relative pace), plus the fact that the team is still going through major changes in management for little benefit, and I can see why relations between Glock and the team are a little troubled, such that I wouldn't be surprised if either Glock or Marussia terminate that deal before it is up.
Glock must be ruing the day that he walked away from negotiations with Renault in 2010 - whilst, to be fair to him, the concerns at the time over the long term stability of that team was scaring quite a few people away, he must be wondering what might have happened if he had wound up there instead.

I can't really see where Glock could go if he left Marussia, can you?

[Aerospeed]

It doesn't look all that promising - we heard Glock making some pretty damning comments over the radio last year (even if he did sign a contract extension to 2014), coupled to something of a slump in form when compared to D'Ambrosio, and this row with Pic is unlikely to help things either. Add to that the frustration Glock must feel given that the team is no closer to the front than in its first year (in terms of relative pace), plus the fact that the team is still going through major changes in management for little benefit, and I can see why relations between Glock and the team are a little troubled, such that I wouldn't be surprised if either Glock or Marussia terminate that deal before it is up.
Glock must be ruing the day that he walked away from negotiations with Renault in 2010 - whilst, to be fair to him, the concerns at the time over the long term stability of that team was scaring quite a few people away, he must be wondering what might have happened if he had wound up there instead.

I can't really see where Glock could go if he left Marussia, can you?

This may be my warped mind at work, but at Ferrari for the second half of the season?

[inchworm]

DTM beckons... But then who will Marussia pick up as their "experienced" driver? Massively unlikely, but "Massa in the Marussia at Massenet" makes a nice tongue twister!

[aliefbielefeld]

i'm as an Indonesian really really hope that Rio could make it to F1 because he's really talented i mean when you see half of his GP3 wins came in wet conditions, speechless
he's just need more time in GP2 but i must admit that he needs to be more mature in driving style, it kinda reminds me of Ayrton Senna. And some consistency because its pretty important nowadays

[girry]

I don't really think the extra season Chilton has is too big of an advantage anyway in F1 ... if I were in charge and had to decide between the two, would go for Haryanto.

Anyone know about Petrov's situation re Marussia, btw? Would seem logical to sneak him in for a Russian team (should Glock leave f1) but wasn't there something conflicting with Petrov's and Marussia's backing?

[mario]

It doesn't look all that promising - we heard Glock making some pretty damning comments over the radio last year (even if he did sign a contract extension to 2014), coupled to something of a slump in form when compared to D'Ambrosio, and this row with Pic is unlikely to help things either. Add to that the frustration Glock must feel given that the team is no closer to the front than in its first year (in terms of relative pace), plus the fact that the team is still going through major changes in management for little benefit, and I can see why relations between Glock and the team are a little troubled, such that I wouldn't be surprised if either Glock or Marussia terminate that deal before it is up.
Glock must be ruing the day that he walked away from negotiations with Renault in 2010 - whilst, to be fair to him, the concerns at the time over the long term stability of that team was scaring quite a few people away, he must be wondering what might have happened if he had wound up there instead.

I can't really see where Glock could go if he left Marussia, can you?

At this rate, I would not be entirely surprised if Glock ended up leaving F1 altogether - with Marussia being so far off the pace, it means that he has been unable to capture the attention of other team leaders in the same way that, for example, Kovalainen has (his efforts in getting into Q2 and occasionally beating the established teams has done a lot to restore his reputation after his time at McLaren).

Whereas in 2010 he was being mentioned as a potential candidate for several teams (Renault, McLaren, Sauber etc.), nobody else seems interested in him now that Perez, Grosjean and, to a lesser extent, Di Resta, are taking all the headlines. With 82 races under his belt, he is something of a veteran - not to mention having made it onto the podium a few times with Toyota - yet nobody in a major team seems interested in him because most of their attention is focussed on the midfield pack (whereas Glock doesn't really have anybody that he can prove himself against given that the team is in something of a no mans land).

Experience is useful to a certain extent with a small team - it helped Rubens stay within the sport for a little while - but at the same time, the potential benefits in terms of lap time that an experienced driver could yield are likely to be outweighed by the benefits that would come from spending an additional $10 million a year on aero development, for example. If divisions between Glock and Marussia deepen, he could be shuffled out of his seat by a pay driver and see himself out of the sport altogether given that few seats would be available elsewhere - both Heidfeld and Rubens found that experience couldn't compete with sponsorship.

[Ataxia]

I don't really think the extra season Chilton has is too big of an advantage anyway in F1 ... if I were in charge and had to decide between the two, would go for Haryanto.

Anyone know about Petrov's situation re Marussia, btw? Would seem logical to sneak him in for a Russian team (should Glock leave f1) but wasn't there something conflicting with Petrov's and Marussia's backing?

I slightly disagree, because Chilton's been pretty handy in GP2. Carlin were poor last season, and now they're beginning to do well now they've got the Marussia assistance. Haryanto's got talent, no doubt about that, but he's not been in the points consistently this season. He could do with another year to further improve his craft.

Chilton would be a good call, no doubt his stock's risen a bit since bagging his 1st GP2 win at Hungary and should Glock choose/be forced to pursue racing elsewhere then he'd be a good bet.

I wouldn't imagine Petrov would leave Caterham, as he's in a team that is definitely threatening to take the fight to the arse-end of the midfield. Especially as Kovalainen's linked with Ferrari (to some degree), he might get the chance to leave the team should Heikki leave (probably with either vdG or Razia as a teammate). Which brings me to this:

FUN FACT - Razia's in his 4th season of GP2 yet he's still only 23...

[WeirdKerr]

Chilton is faster, but Haryanto has more money. I'm not sure who I would rather.

Haryanto. According to my mate who is one of the race engineers at Carlin, he has more potential than Max. Plus he might turn out to be like Pedro Diniz, talented and loaded.

First time ive seen loaded, Diniz and talented in the same sentence......

[TomWazzleshaw]

FUN FACT - Razia's in his 4th season of GP2 yet he's still only 23...

And herein lies the reason why Razia doesn't deserve an F1 drive next year. He and Valsecchi are only fighting for the title because they're the only two who have been in the series for more than about a year and a half

[DemocalypseNow]

FUN FACT - Razia's in his 4th season of GP2 yet he's still only 23...

And herein lies the reason why Razia doesn't deserve an F1 drive next year. He and Valsecchi are only fighting for the title because they're the only two who have been in the series for more than about a year and a half

That statement makes no sense whatsoever.

[Ataxia]

FUN FACT - Razia's in his 4th season of GP2 yet he's still only 23...

And herein lies the reason why Razia doesn't deserve an F1 drive next year. He and Valsecchi are only fighting for the title because they're the only two who have been in the series for more than about a year and a half

That statement makes no sense whatsoever.

I think Razia could do a good job in F1...plus, we've got drivers like Grosjean, Maldonado, Senna, Pic, Kobayashi, Petrov and Perez who have done multiple seasons in GP2 in F1, and they're all doing alright.

People that jump to F1 after one GP2 season don't always do well, for example it didn't work out amazingly for Nakajima and Speed...

[TomWazzleshaw]

And herein lies the reason why Razia doesn't deserve an F1 drive next year. He and Valsecchi are only fighting for the title because they're the only two who have been in the series for more than about a year and a half

That statement makes no sense whatsoever.

I think Razia could do a good job in F1...plus, we've got drivers like Grosjean, Maldonado, Senna, Pic, Kobayashi, Petrov and Perez who have done multiple seasons in GP2 in F1, and they're all doing alright.

People that jump to F1 after one GP2 season don't always do well, for example it didn't work out amazingly for Nakajima and Speed...

Ah, but out of the ones you mentioned, only Maldonado and Petrov spent more than two years in GP2. And both of them were absolutely loaded with cash which played a major role in getting them F1 seats (although Petrov did turn out to be good once he ironed out all the errors in 2010). And since when did anyone rate Nakajima or Speed highly?

My point is if you spend more than two years in GP2, chances are your career is not going to go anywhere. And 90% of the time, there's a very good reason why.

[FMecha]

Ah, but out of the ones you mentioned, only Maldonado and Petrov spent more than two years in GP2. And both of them were absolutely loaded with cash which played a major role in getting them F1 seats (although Petrov did turn out to be good once he ironed out all the errors in 2010). And since when did anyone rate Nakajima or Speed highly?

My point is if you spend more than two years in GP2, chances are your career is not going to go anywhere. And 90% of the time, there's a very good reason why.

Then how about someone jumping from GP2 to sports cars, rather than F1? Is that even possible?

[Phoenix]

Ah, but out of the ones you mentioned, only Maldonado and Petrov spent more than two years in GP2. And both of them were absolutely loaded with cash which played a major role in getting them F1 seats (although Petrov did turn out to be good once he ironed out all the errors in 2010). And since when did anyone rate Nakajima or Speed highly?

My point is if you spend more than two years in GP2, chances are your career is not going to go anywhere. And 90% of the time, there's a very good reason why.

Then how about someone jumping from GP2 to sports cars, rather than F1? Is that even possible?

Bruno Senna, sort of, in 2009.

[mario]

Ah, but out of the ones you mentioned, only Maldonado and Petrov spent more than two years in GP2. And both of them were absolutely loaded with cash which played a major role in getting them F1 seats (although Petrov did turn out to be good once he ironed out all the errors in 2010). And since when did anyone rate Nakajima or Speed highly?

My point is if you spend more than two years in GP2, chances are your career is not going to go anywhere. And 90% of the time, there's a very good reason why.

Toyota still seem to think fairly highly of Nakajima given that they are continuing to employ him in the Le Mans series. In fact, they have gone to a fair amount of effort to keep Kazuki on the track, putting him through the Formula Nippon and Super GT championships before slotting him into their Endurance Racing team.

[RonDenisDeletraz]

Ah, but out of the ones you mentioned, only Maldonado and Petrov spent more than two years in GP2. And both of them were absolutely loaded with cash which played a major role in getting them F1 seats (although Petrov did turn out to be good once he ironed out all the errors in 2010). And since when did anyone rate Nakajima or Speed highly?

My point is if you spend more than two years in GP2, chances are your career is not going to go anywhere. And 90% of the time, there's a very good reason why.

Toyota still seem to think fairly highly of Nakajima given that they are continuing to employ him in the Le Mans series. In fact, they have gone to a fair amount of effort to keep Kazuki on the track, putting him through the Formula Nippon and Super GT championships before slotting him into their Endurance Racing team.

I have no idea what Toyota see in him.

[IceG]

I read this (awful as usual) article http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/79 ... No-regrets and all I hear is a "I'd prefer to drive anywhere else than Marussia - please call my agent" subtext.

[RonDenisDeletraz]

I read this (awful as usual) article http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/79 ... No-regrets and all I hear is a "I'd prefer to drive anywhere else than Marussia - please call my agent" subtext.

Timo Glock needs to try another form of motorsport or something like that, his F1 career isn't going anywhere and that's not about to change.

[pasta_maldonado]

I read this (awful as usual) article http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/79 ... No-regrets and all I hear is a "I'd prefer to drive anywhere else than Marussia - please call my agent" subtext.

Timo Glock needs to try another form of motorsport or something like that, his F1 career isn't going anywhere and that's not about to change.

Going to Marussia has killed his career. Let's face it. Who would want to sign Glock now? Realistically - No-one. He hasn't got youth on his side, his performances of late lead one to question the talent or motivation he has, and he didn't do anything extraordinary at Toyota anyway.