Autosport driver rankings of 2009

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 13 Nov 2009, 20:34

After each race, Autosport gives each driver a ranking out of 10, which I collated this year (except Germany - forgot to add the data before recycling the magazine...). Listed them below in order of average per race. The Most interesting point? The two drivers who competed in the fewest number of races (2 races each - Kobayashi and Badoer) are 1st and last in the table...

Driver AUS MAL CHN BRN ESP MON TUR GBR HUN EUR BEL ITA SGP JAP BRA UAE Total Ave./race
Kamui Kobayashi 9 8 17 8.5
Jenson Button 9 9 8 10 8 10 10 6 8 6 5 9 8 7 8 8 129 8.1
Lewis Hamilton 9 9 6 9 7 4 6 6 10 9 6 7 10 9 9 9 125 7.8
Mark Webber 6 9 9 7 8 7 8 9 8 6 7 7 6 7 10 9 123 7.7
Sebastian Vettel 8 7 10 7 7 2 6 10 6 8 8 8 7 10 8 10 122 7.6
Fernando Alonso 9 8 6 9 9 7 6 5 9 9 8 10 9 6 6 5 121 7.6
Felipe Massa 7 6 8 7 9 7 7 8 n/a 59 7.4
Nico Rosberg 6 8 6 7 7 7 8 8 9 9 9 5 7 8 7 5 116 7.25
Rubens Barrichello 8 7 6 7 7 8 2 9 5 10 8 10 7 7 6 7 114 7.1
Timo Glock 8 8 8 7 5 6 7 5 9 6 6 7 10 n/a 92 7.1
Kimi Raikkonen 6 7 4 9 4 8 5 6 8 9 9 8 7 8 8 6 112 7
Nick Heidfeld 5 8 5 2 8 5 5 6 6 5 8 8 7 8 5 9 100 6.25
Robert Kubica 8 7 4 2 5 2 8 4 6 8 9 6 8 6 10 6 99 6.2
Jamie Alguersuari 7 6 6 5 7 7 6 5 49 6.1
Jarno Trulli 8 9 5 7 5 3 8 7 7 4 5 6 1 10 5 6 96 6
Sebastian Buemi 8 6 8 5 6 2 6 4 4 5 5 6 8 6 8 8 95 5.9
Sebastien Bourdais 7 7 5 7 4 7 5 5 47 5.9
Vintantonio Liuzzi 10 4 5 5 5 29 5.8
Adrian Sutil 7 7 8 5 3 5 7 4 3 7 5 9 4 7 7 4 92 5.75
Heikki Kovalainen 6 5 8 5 4 5 6 5 6 6 8 5 5 4 4 6 88 5.5
Giancarlo Fisichella 5 5 2 8 5 8 5 9 6 6 10 5 2 3 4 3 86 5.4
Kazuki Nakajima 4 4 2 4 4 4 8 6 6 4 3 8 5 4 7 4 77 4.8
Nelson Piquet 3 4 1 8 6 5 5 7 4 43 4.8
Romain Grosjean 8 3 6 5 4 4 3 33 4.7
Luca Badoer 0.5 1 1.5 0.75

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 13 Nov 2009, 23:08

What I find interesting about that is that Webber is ahead of Vettel in the standings

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 13 Nov 2009, 23:31

Cowboyashi 4 ever!

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 14 Nov 2009, 01:08

nice, kobayashi in first position!

Also, alonso ratings are little overrated.

tristan1117 · Post by **tristan1117** » 14 Nov 2009, 01:13

I wish these Autosport rankings decided the championship. KOBAYASHI FTW!

Henrique · Post by **Henrique** » 14 Nov 2009, 02:28

On the Formula 1 website poll:
"Which Formula One newcomer impressed you most in 2009?"
Jaime Alguersuari - 24.15%
Romain Grosjean - 18.51%
Kamui Kobayashi - 57.34%

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 14 Nov 2009, 02:59

I'd put Webber ahead of Vettel because Vettel made more silly mistakes than Webber, most of Webber's pitfalls were not of his own doing, but were either racing incidents or mechanical failures. I'd even put Webber ahead of Hamilton, honestly...

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 14 Nov 2009, 17:53

Well, regardless of how well we think they did over a season, Autosport give a rating out of 10 after each race for that race alone (the "anti-reject award") and it is just interesting how the ratings average out over the season. Taking Kamui out of it temporaily, I am surprised nobody has yet suggested a British bias to the results...

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 14 Nov 2009, 22:08

Henrique wrote:On the Formula 1 website poll:
"Which Formula One newcomer impressed you most in 2009?"
Jaime Alguersuari - 24.15%
Romain Grosjean - 18.51%
Kamui Kobayashi - 57.34%

As if they missed out Buemi, him and Cowboy-ashi are the only rookies who did anything good. I agree with Eddie Jordan when he said Grosjean is worse than Piquet.

Collieafc · Post by **Collieafc** » 16 Nov 2009, 16:19

dr-baker wrote:Well, regardless of how well we think they did over a season, Autosport give a rating out of 10 after each race for that race alone (the "anti-reject award") and it is just interesting how the ratings average out over the season. Taking Kamui out of it temporaily, I am surprised nobody has yet suggested a British bias to the results...

I noticed it too, but seeing as both mags are british and jingoism in the UK is worse than most places, it didnt surprise me. Look at Hamiltons score for example. 2nd half, fair enough as he was doing well (bar Belgium, where he got a 6 even though he was out by lap 1!) but the bias is clear to see by his 1st half...

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 16 Nov 2009, 19:34

Collieafc wrote:
dr-baker wrote:Well, regardless of how well we think they did over a season, Autosport give a rating out of 10 after each race for that race alone (the "anti-reject award") and it is just interesting how the ratings average out over the season. Taking Kamui out of it temporaily, I am surprised nobody has yet suggested a British bias to the results...

I noticed it too, but seeing as both mags are british and jingoism in the UK is worse than most places, it didnt surprise me. Look at Hamiltons score for example. 2nd half, fair enough as he was doing well (bar Belgium, where he got a 6 even though he was out by lap 1!) but the bias is clear to see by his 1st half...

A 9 in Australia, after lying the stewards and getting disqualified?

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 16 Nov 2009, 20:34

Collieafc wrote:I noticed it too, but seeing as both mags are british and jingoism in the UK is worse than most places, it didnt surprise me. Look at Hamiltons score for example. 2nd half, fair enough as he was doing well (bar Belgium, where he got a 6 even though he was out by lap 1!) but the bias is clear to see by his 1st half...

The crash in Belgium wasn't his fault at all, so it's impossible to give him a fair rating, so the only thing to do was just give him the average. 6 is average. I don't see anything wrong with that one. I would imagine that Australia was given before the lying scandal emerged, (remember, it wasn't until almost a week later), and 9 would have seemed reasonable at the time. But I agree that some of the other ratings from the first half are too high. 9 in Malaysia for doing nothing special, 7 in Spain when all he did was destroy his tyres, 6 in Turkey and Britain when he was comfortably outpaced by Kovalainen. I would be very interested to see what his Nurburgring rating was...

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 16 Nov 2009, 20:54

tc3j3r wrote:
Collieafc wrote:I noticed it too, but seeing as both mags are british and jingoism in the UK is worse than most places, it didnt surprise me. Look at Hamiltons score for example. 2nd half, fair enough as he was doing well (bar Belgium, where he got a 6 even though he was out by lap 1!) but the bias is clear to see by his 1st half...

The crash in Belgium wasn't his fault at all, so it's impossible to give him a fair rating, so the only thing to do was just give him the average. 6 is average. I don't see anything wrong with that one. I would imagine that Australia was given before the lying scandal emerged, (remember, it wasn't until almost a week later), and 9 would have seemed reasonable at the time. But I agree that some of the other ratings from the first half are too high. 9 in Malaysia for doing nothing special, 7 in Spain when all he did was destroy his tyres, 6 in Turkey and Britain when he was comfortably outpaced by Kovalainen. I would be very interested to see what his Nurburgring rating was...

I'd have given Button 3 for Spa, the only reason he was in a position to get hit by the rookies was due to his rubbish qualifying the day before...clearly biased.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 16 Nov 2009, 21:02

kostas22 wrote:
tc3j3r wrote:
Collieafc wrote:I noticed it too, but seeing as both mags are british and jingoism in the UK is worse than most places, it didnt surprise me. Look at Hamiltons score for example. 2nd half, fair enough as he was doing well (bar Belgium, where he got a 6 even though he was out by lap 1!) but the bias is clear to see by his 1st half...

The crash in Belgium wasn't his fault at all, so it's impossible to give him a fair rating, so the only thing to do was just give him the average. 6 is average. I don't see anything wrong with that one. I would imagine that Australia was given before the lying scandal emerged, (remember, it wasn't until almost a week later), and 9 would have seemed reasonable at the time. But I agree that some of the other ratings from the first half are too high. 9 in Malaysia for doing nothing special, 7 in Spain when all he did was destroy his tyres, 6 in Turkey and Britain when he was comfortably outpaced by Kovalainen. I would be very interested to see what his Nurburgring rating was...

I'd have given Button 3 for Spa, the only reason he was in a position to get hit by the rookies was due to his rubbish qualifying the day before...clearly biased.

Though to be fair, you're not exactly unbiased yourself. Admittedly, qualifying hasn't really been Jenson's strong suit over the second half of the season, but qualifying isn't the final race order now, is it?

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 16 Nov 2009, 21:42

Being fair, I'd give Jense a 4 because, being eliminated on the first corner, he didn't have nothing to redeem himself of his mediocre qualifying effort.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 17 Nov 2009, 09:46

Phoenix wrote:
Collieafc wrote:
dr-baker wrote:Well, regardless of how well we think they did over a season, Autosport give a rating out of 10 after each race for that race alone (the "anti-reject award") and it is just interesting how the ratings average out over the season. Taking Kamui out of it temporaily, I am surprised nobody has yet suggested a British bias to the results...

I noticed it too, but seeing as both mags are british and jingoism in the UK is worse than most places, it didnt surprise me. Look at Hamiltons score for example. 2nd half, fair enough as he was doing well (bar Belgium, where he got a 6 even though he was out by lap 1!) but the bias is clear to see by his 1st half...

A 9 in Australia, after lying the stewards and getting disqualified?

To be honest, Lewis was not disqualified until everybody turned up to the following race, when he had already been awarded this ranking... The rankings were always published on the Thursday immediately after the race with no retrospective changes so that is what it is...

Collieafc · Post by **Collieafc** » 17 Nov 2009, 13:12

Ok, the Aussie ranking fair enough but my point still stands as regards Britian (where he just arsed about near the back...)

Besides, if its 0-10, 5 is the average, not 6...

AutoRacer5 · Post by **AutoRacer5** » 17 Nov 2009, 18:10

Hamilton shouldn't be that high.

rffp · Post by **rffp** » 18 Nov 2009, 16:06

Autosport just released their ranking:
10 - Nico Rosberg
9 - Rubens Barrichello
8 - Kimi Raikkonen
7 - Felipe Massa
6 - Robert Kubica
5 - Fernando Alonso
4 - Mark Webber
3 - Sebastian Vettel
2 - Jenson Button
1 - Lewis Hamilton

I don't agree with Alonso and Kubica being that high, and Rubens should be a couple of positions higher. For the Liegate episode, Hamilton should not be number 1.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 18 Nov 2009, 16:32

rffp wrote:Autosport just released their ranking:
10 - Nico Rosberg
9 - Rubens Barrichello
8 - Kimi Raikkonen
7 - Felipe Massa
6 - Robert Kubica
5 - Fernando Alonso
4 - Mark Webber
3 - Sebastian Vettel
2 - Jenson Button
1 - Lewis Hamilton

I don't agree with Alonso and Kubica being that high, and Rubens should be a couple of positions higher. For the Liegate episode, Hamilton should not be number 1.

I'm a Kubica fan and I don't Robert should be that high. Lewis had a good close to the season, but his first half was atrocious, and he should definitely rank behind Raikkonen, IMO, considering the Ferrari was far inferior to the McLaren.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 18 Nov 2009, 17:54

rffp wrote:Autosport just released their ranking:
10 - Nico Rosberg
9 - Rubens Barrichello
8 - Kimi Raikkonen
7 - Felipe Massa
6 - Robert Kubica
5 - Fernando Alonso
4 - Mark Webber
3 - Sebastian Vettel
2 - Jenson Button
1 - Lewis Hamilton

I don't agree with Alonso and Kubica being that high, and Rubens should be a couple of positions higher. For the Liegate episode, Hamilton should not be number 1.

That has to be the most biased ranking I have seen in my life. Mine would have been:

1. Mark Webber (robbed many times by bad luck/incidents that weren't his fault. First win got a gorilla-sized monkey off his back)
2. Sebastian Vettel (may have made a few mistakes, but was fast all year, unlike Button. A little more consisitency and he would have been champ.)
3. Jenson Button (Great start to season, but with the best car by miles. Once the cars were even, he dropped into midfield.)
4. Lewis Hamilton (Awful start. Yes, the car was bad, but he didn't exactly compensate for it, unless he cheated in the process)
5. Nico Rosberg (Consisitently in the points, thrashed his time mate)
6. Fernando Alonso (Same as Rosberg)
7. Rubens Barrichello (Won his first race since 2004 but not capitalising on Brawn's early season advantage ruined his season)
8. Felipe Massa (Made the most of a mediocre car, finished level on points with Kovy's McLaren despite missing half the season)
9. Kimi Raikkonen (Dragged an absolute dog of a car in the second half of the season to places it didn't have the right to be)
10. Kamui Kobayashi (Yes, it was only two races. But what a way to start! Made Button look like a noob in Abu Dhabi.)

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 18 Nov 2009, 18:00

rffp wrote:Autosport just released their ranking:
10 - Nico Rosberg
9 - Rubens Barrichello
8 - Kimi Raikkonen
7 - Felipe Massa
6 - Robert Kubica
5 - Fernando Alonso
4 - Mark Webber
3 - Sebastian Vettel
2 - Jenson Button
1 - Lewis Hamilton

I don't agree with Alonso and Kubica being that high, and Rubens should be a couple of positions higher. For the Liegate episode, Hamilton should not be number 1.

What the funk is Hamilton doing there? Even putting myself in to the mind of a biast British journo, Button would be streets ahead. Ridiculous.

I agree with rffp that Kubica and Alonso, I can't name one positive thing of note either did this season.

This list was based on reptutation rather than actual ability, I think.

Barbazza · Post by **Barbazza** » 18 Nov 2009, 18:32

God almighty, that is an absolute farce - Hamilton at Number 1?

At this rate the entire British press will explode in a fountain of man-muck over the McLaren boys next year (they're welcome to - as I hate McLaren I won't be supporting either of them!)

Rubens and Rosberg should be higher, and if Kubica's in there then Heidfeld surely should be?!
Oh, and Kobayashi probably put more effort into his 2 races than Kimi did for the whole season (Belgium excepted)

tristan1117 · Post by **tristan1117** » 18 Nov 2009, 20:18

rffp wrote:Autosport just released their ranking:
10 - Nico Rosberg
9 - Rubens Barrichello
8 - Kimi Raikkonen
7 - Felipe Massa
6 - Robert Kubica
5 - Fernando Alonso
4 - Mark Webber
3 - Sebastian Vettel
2 - Jenson Button
1 - Lewis Hamilton

I don't agree with Alonso and Kubica being that high, and Rubens should be a couple of positions higher. For the Liegate episode, Hamilton should not be number 1.

Why does Autosport even bother with this. They'd rather just have it 1. Lewis Hamilton 2. Jenson Button 3. There were other drivers?

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 18 Nov 2009, 20:53

Hamilton at number one is vastly unfair, and a big jingoist showing. My ranking would be:

1-Vettel
2-Webber
3-Barrichello
4-Button
5-Hamilton
=6-Alonso
=6-Kubica
8-Rosberg
9-Raikkonen
10-Sutil

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 18 Nov 2009, 20:57

Phoenix wrote:Hamilton at number one is vastly unfair, and a big jingoist showing. My ranking would be:

1-Vettel
2-Webber
3-Barrichello
4-Button
5-Hamilton
=6-Alonso
=6-Kubica
8-Rosberg
9-Raikkonen
10-Sutil

I don't know why people think Alonso and Kubica had good seasons - they didn't, unless I'm the least perceptful person in F1landia.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 18 Nov 2009, 21:02

shinji wrote:
Phoenix wrote:Hamilton at number one is vastly unfair, and a big jingoist showing. My ranking would be:

1-Vettel
2-Webber
3-Barrichello
4-Button
5-Hamilton
=6-Alonso
=6-Kubica
8-Rosberg
9-Raikkonen
10-Sutil

I don't know why people think Alonso and Kubica had good seasons - they didn't, unless I'm the least perceptful person in F1landia.

They had decent showings in crappy cars often during the season, that's it.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 18 Nov 2009, 21:04

Phoenix wrote:
shinji wrote:
Phoenix wrote:Hamilton at number one is vastly unfair, and a big jingoist showing. My ranking would be:

1-Vettel
2-Webber
3-Barrichello
4-Button
5-Hamilton
=6-Alonso
=6-Kubica
8-Rosberg
9-Raikkonen
10-Sutil

But Kubica was probably more anonymous that Heidfeld and Alonso got one pole and then the wheels fell off. Literally and metaphorically.

I don't know why people think Alonso and Kubica had good seasons - they didn't, unless I'm the least perceptful person in F1landia.

They had decent showings in crappy cars often during the season, that's it.

But Kubica was more anonymous than Heidfeld (probably, I didn't notice), and Alonso got one pole and then the wheels came off.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 18 Nov 2009, 21:10

shinji wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
shinji wrote:

But Kubica was probably more anonymous that Heidfeld and Alonso got one pole and then the wheels fell off. Literally and metaphorically.

I don't know why people think Alonso and Kubica had good seasons - they didn't, unless I'm the least perceptful person in F1landia.

They had decent showings in crappy cars often during the season, that's it.

Is your comment embedded in the quotation?

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 18 Nov 2009, 21:14

Phoenix wrote:
shinji wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
They had decent showings in crappy cars often during the season, that's it.

Is your comment embedded in the quotation?

Edited it now. For some reason my comment didn't show.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 18 Nov 2009, 21:17

Alonso had a couple of good races screwed thanks to mishaps, like in Hungary and Belgium. Then the car quickly degenerated into backmarker stuff...
As for Kubica, I think he drove quite well all season, but maybe I'm overlooking Heidfeld...

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 18 Nov 2009, 21:22

shinji wrote:But Kubica was probably more anonymous that Heidfeld and Alonso got one pole and then the wheels fell off. Literally and metaphorically.

Kubica and Alonso managed to get some results out cars that were quite frankly rubbish. There was Kubica's 2nd-or-better run in Australia until he and Vettel tangled, would've got 3rd at Spa had Vettel not jumped him, and he kept Webber honest at Brazil despite a dodgy engine and a much inferior car.

Alonso was a bit more anonymous, but did pick up that podium in Singapore. That said, I wouldn't rank them too high, about midfield, IMO.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 18 Nov 2009, 21:57

shinji wrote:Alonso got one pole and then the wheels came off.

Thats sort of the point. The Renault was an utter shitbox, the team in dire straights, yet week in week out he was finishing in the points.
You put Button in that car, he wouldn't have scored a single point.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 18 Nov 2009, 22:04

kostas22 wrote:
shinji wrote:Alonso got one pole and then the wheels came off.

Thats sort of the point. The Renault was an utter shitbox, the team in dire straights, yet week in week out he was finishing in the points.
You put Button in that car, he wouldn't have scored a single point.

You know, I really don't like Button, but you seem to be on some kind of crusade against him - what's he got to do with Alonso's shitty Renault?

And Alonso in the points week in week out?

8 point scores in 17 races, best of 3rd by mostly 7ths and 8ths. Hardly impressive for a driver of his calibre, even in a terrible car. He certainly wasn't the 5th best driver this season - I know it may seem ridiculous, but that was Lewis Hamilton, who scored the 5th highest amount of points.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 18 Nov 2009, 22:11

shinji wrote:I know it may seem ridiculous, but that was Lewis Hamilton, who scored the 5th highest amount of points.

So you think Jenson Button was the very best driver of 2009? Do ya? Really?

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 18 Nov 2009, 22:24

kostas22 wrote:
shinji wrote:I know it may seem ridiculous, but that was Lewis Hamilton, who scored the 5th highest amount of points.

So you think Jenson Button was the very best driver of 2009? Do ya? Really?

He scored the most points, took advantage of the misfortunes of his rivals and the Brawn's early dominance, drove smartly when the car was no longer the best, and sealed up the championship with a race remaining. I'm not sure about Shinji, but I think he was the overall best driver, myself.

hclw · Post by **hclw** » 18 Nov 2009, 23:41

kostas22 wrote:
shinji wrote:I know it may seem ridiculous, but that was Lewis Hamilton, who scored the 5th highest amount of points.

So you think Jenson Button was the very best driver of 2009? Do ya? Really?

Let me get this straight:

Jenson was mediocre in 2009 but won races because he had the best car. Alonso was brilliant in 2009 but won nothing because his car was bad.

By this reasoning, Alonso was rubbish in 2005 and he only won the world championship because he had a fast reliable car. Button was amazing in 2005 dragging around a rubbish Honda and getting 2 podiums whilst wiping the floor with his team mate (the mighty Sato).

I suggest a simple solution. Alonso and Button swap championships. Button wins the 2005 championship and Alonso gets the 2009 championship he so richly deserves. The alternative to this is accepting that in formula one, the car is the star. The car has always been the star. F1 is not about the best drivers, its about the best cars. Its always been that way.

Why didn't Stirling moss win any championships? Were Mike Hawthorn and Phil Hill better than him? No, but they were very good drivers who had the opportunity to drive very good cars and deservedly won their championships. Well done to them and well done to Button. The car is the star

edit: I'm not necessarily accusing kostas22 of anything, I'm just venting at all the button bile I've read on the internet of the past few months. It grinds my gears something rotten and I'm not even a button fan

Ross Prawn · Post by **Ross Prawn** » 19 Nov 2009, 00:46

hclw wrote:
kostas22 wrote:
shinji wrote:I know it may seem ridiculous, but that was Lewis Hamilton, who scored the 5th highest amount of points.

So you think Jenson Button was the very best driver of 2009? Do ya? Really?

Let me get this straight:

Jenson was mediocre in 2009 but won races because he had the best car. Alonso was brilliant in 2009 but won nothing because his car was bad.

By this reasoning, Alonso was rubbish in 2005 and he only won the world championship because he had a fast reliable car. Button was amazing in 2005 dragging around a rubbish Honda and getting 2 podiums whilst wiping the floor with his team mate (the mighty Sato).

I suggest a simple solution. Alonso and Button swap championships. Button wins the 2005 championship and Alonso gets the 2009 championship he so richly deserves. The alternative to this is accepting that in formula one, the car is the star. The car has always been the star. F1 is not about the best drivers, its about the best cars. Its always been that way.

Why didn't Stirling moss win any championships? Were Mike Hawthorn and Phil Hill better than him? No, but they were very good drivers who had the opportunity to drive very good cars and deservedly won their championships. Well done to them and well done to Button. The car is the star

edit: I'm not necessarily accusing kostas22 of anything, I'm just venting at all the button bile I've read on the internet of the past few months. It grinds my gears something rotten and I'm not even a button fan

Too right. If you want to watch drivers in equal cars go watch A1GP. (Except that its just gone bust because of lack of interest.) To win an F1 championship, you have to first get into the best car, and then you have to make use of it. Good drivers in bad cars, are just losers, they didn't get the politics right and that is part of the game.

Collieafc · Post by **Collieafc** » 19 Nov 2009, 00:58

The autosport list doesnt surprise me. Them and F1 Racing have always been in league with Hamilton.

If Button does indeed go to McLaren, its going to be a torrid 2010 in terms of sporting jingoism for me. As if the World cup nonsense (and the customary endless 1966 references) are not going to be enough (Kostas will know what I mean), we have 2 brits, both champs, in a (for the most part) British team. True F1 fans in the UK will be hard to find...

noisebox · Post by **noisebox** » 19 Nov 2009, 10:06

This is in Autosport this week - it's the top 10 drivers according to the current team bosses (ranked on a 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 basis):

1. Sebastian Vettel 76
2. Jenson Button 67
3. Lewis Hamilton 65
4. Fernando Alonso 39
5. Rubens Barrichello 35
6= Kimi Raikkonen 30
6= Mark Webber 30
8. Felipe Massa 19
9. Robert Kubica 10
10. Adrian Sutil 8