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Actually, Lauda did end up running Jaguar during the early days but I can't remember if he came before or after Bobby Rahal took the top job.


Rahal took the job in early 2001, and Lauda came in later that season. They both had different visions for the team and clashed; Rahal left soon after and Lauda was booted out after the 2002 season.


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Oh, damn, I failed to remember that. I just associated "F1 driver running F1 team" as his own team :?
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If Hamilton moves to Mercedes, will be one of the biggest bad moves of recent F-1 History.
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Dj_bereta wrote:If Hamilton moves to Mercedes, will be one of the biggest bad moves of recent F-1 History.


Agreed. Merc can't build a good car!
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Dj_bereta wrote:If Hamilton moves to Mercedes, will be one of the biggest bad moves of recent F-1 History.


Agreed. Merc can't build a good car!


No, they can build a good car. Just for very specific conditions. Also they have no idea what makes it good.
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Dj_bereta wrote:If Hamilton moves to Mercedes, will be one of the biggest bad moves of recent F-1 History.


Not far off Villenoob moving to BAR in my opinion.
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eurobrun wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:If Hamilton moves to Mercedes, will be one of the biggest bad moves of recent F-1 History.


Not far off Villenoob moving to BAR in my opinion.


Nah. Villeneuve's move is in another inexplicable dimension altogether :lol:

Damon Hill moving to TWR Arrows might be a better comparison.
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Dj_bereta wrote:If Hamilton moves to Mercedes, will be one of the biggest bad moves of recent F-1 History.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Hamilton would have to be aware of the speculation suggesting Mercedes will withdraw, wholly or partially, in the very near future. There is simply no way he would entertain any idea of joining them if he thought that was a realistic outcome. Sure, you could make the case that he's simply using that to bluff McLaren, but if Hamilton could find out that Mercedes intends to withdraw, then McLaren can find out, too. And if they do, then his bargaining position is significantly weaker. So Hamilton would have to have a reasonable belief that the team will stay in the sport. Indeed, if they sign him, it's a statement of their itnentions to stay.

Likewise, Hamilton would have to be aware of the performance issues at Mercedes. But look at their development schedule this year - they've done virtually nothing. The tests at Magny-Cours saw their first real upgrade at a time when Red Bull, McLaren and Ferrari have all introduced at least two major aero packages already. Naturally, this begs the question of where Mercedes' resources are going. I suspect they're gearing up for 2014, trying to replicate their success in 2009 when they had a monster of a car. If they can convince Hamilton that the long-term outlook is bright and sunny and stable, I think he'd be very tempted by that.
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Captain Hammer wrote:I wouldn't be so sure about that. Hamilton would have to be aware of the speculation suggesting Mercedes will withdraw, wholly or partially, in the very near future.


A possible scenario could be:
Mercedes to withdraw in 2013, MSC to buy the team in 2014 - a repeat of Brawn? :shock:

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Shizuka wrote:
Captain Hammer wrote:I wouldn't be so sure about that. Hamilton would have to be aware of the speculation suggesting Mercedes will withdraw, wholly or partially, in the very near future.


A possible scenario could be:
Mercedes to withdraw in 2013, MSC to buy the team in 2014 - a repeat of Brawn? :shock:



While I expect Mercedes to pull out, I think Brawn will continue with Brawn GP or something like that. He can exploit regulation changes in the near future and get enough money as his team is now fairly legendary...

Hamilton is definitely a new Jacques Villeneuve though. Unless he matures, concentrates and stays at a consistently quick team like McLaren, then he will never be an F1 champion. The first thing he should do is get rid of his dad altogether and his management until he finds the right fit.
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TheBigJ wrote:
Shizuka wrote:
Captain Hammer wrote:I wouldn't be so sure about that. Hamilton would have to be aware of the speculation suggesting Mercedes will withdraw, wholly or partially, in the very near future.


A possible scenario could be:
Mercedes to withdraw in 2013, MSC to buy the team in 2014 - a repeat of Brawn? :shock:



While I expect Mercedes to pull out, I think Brawn will continue with Brawn GP or something like that. He can exploit regulation changes in the near future and get enough money as his team is now fairly legendary...

Hamilton is definitely a new Jacques Villeneuve though. Unless he matures, concentrates and stays at a consistently quick team like McLaren, then he will never be an F1 champion. The first thing he should do is get rid of his dad altogether and his management until he finds the right fit.


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TheBigJ wrote:While I expect Mercedes to pull out, I think Brawn will continue with Brawn GP or something like that. He can exploit regulation changes in the near future and get enough money as his team is now fairly legendary...


That is true, but think about it: Schumi "buys" the team (pays the bill for the season until sponsors start joining them) and takes on a high role next to Brawn and they operate the team together, but with the name MSC Mercedes (if they stay on as engine suppliers), they might get more sponsors. All they need is to put Schumacher as a partner next to Brawn, who could keep on directing the team, with Michael as "co-boss".

Also, Schumacher would be good as a mentor for both drivers, whoever they should be. Any intra-team battle should be controlled by him.

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Shizuka wrote:
TheBigJ wrote:While I expect Mercedes to pull out, I think Brawn will continue with Brawn GP or something like that. He can exploit regulation changes in the near future and get enough money as his team is now fairly legendary...


That is true, but think about it: Schumi "buys" the team (pays the bill for the season until sponsors start joining them) and takes on a high role next to Brawn and they operate the team together, but with the name MSC Mercedes (if they stay on as engine suppliers), they might get more sponsors. All they need is to put Schumacher as a partner next to Brawn, who could keep on directing the team, with Michael as "co-boss".

Also, Schumacher would be good as a mentor for both drivers, whoever they should be. Any intra-team battle should be controlled by him.

And I'll have to change my Domain-Name, Twitter, Facebook fan page, and google+ page!

And Personally - I hope they DITCH Petronas and go for Monster Energy as a Title sponsor - Monster MSC Mercedes F1 Team
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razta wrote:
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TheBigJ wrote:While I expect Mercedes to pull out, I think Brawn will continue with Brawn GP or something like that. He can exploit regulation changes in the near future and get enough money as his team is now fairly legendary...


That is true, but think about it: Schumi "buys" the team (pays the bill for the season until sponsors start joining them) and takes on a high role next to Brawn and they operate the team together, but with the name MSC Mercedes (if they stay on as engine suppliers), they might get more sponsors. All they need is to put Schumacher as a partner next to Brawn, who could keep on directing the team, with Michael as "co-boss".

Also, Schumacher would be good as a mentor for both drivers, whoever they should be. Any intra-team battle should be controlled by him.

And I'll have to change my Domain-Name, Twitter, Facebook fan page, and google+ page!

And Personally - I hope they DITCH Petronas and go for Monster Energy as a Title sponsor - Monster MSC Mercedes F1 Team


I hope Petronas move back to Sauber :D
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eurobrun wrote:
razta wrote:
Shizuka wrote:That is true, but think about it: Schumi "buys" the team (pays the bill for the season until sponsors start joining them) and takes on a high role next to Brawn and they operate the team together, but with the name MSC Mercedes (if they stay on as engine suppliers), they might get more sponsors. All they need is to put Schumacher as a partner next to Brawn, who could keep on directing the team, with Michael as "co-boss".

Also, Schumacher would be good as a mentor for both drivers, whoever they should be. Any intra-team battle should be controlled by him.

And I'll have to change my Domain-Name, Twitter, Facebook fan page, and google+ page!

And Personally - I hope they DITCH Petronas and go for Monster Energy as a Title sponsor - Monster MSC Mercedes F1 Team


I hope Petronas move back to Sauber :D
Yeah, Sauber need the money. If the MSC BMercedes thing does go ahead, they should name it Schumacher-Brawn Motorsport :)
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Wizzie wrote:Damon Hill moving to TWR Arrows might be a better comparison.


Well what were his alternatives after he was shown the door at Williams?

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Ed24 wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Damon Hill moving to TWR Arrows might be a better comparison.


Well what were his alternatives after he was shown the door at Williams?


He might have been able to slot himself into the second Jordan seat alongside Ralf when Nigel Mansell rejected the offer in what was an infinitely better car than the piece of crap Uncle Tom and co managed to churn out :lol:
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Wizzie wrote:
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Wizzie wrote:Damon Hill moving to TWR Arrows might be a better comparison.


Well what were his alternatives after he was shown the door at Williams?


He might have been able to slot himself into the second Jordan seat alongside Ralf when Nigel Mansell rejected the offer in what was an infinitely better car than the piece of crap Uncle Tom and co managed to churn out :lol:


More to the point, what was Eddie thinking offering Nigel Mansell a drive two years after the McLaren fiasco.
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Didn't Hill have the chance to go to McLaren in either 97 or 98? If so, oops big time.
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James1978 wrote:Didn't Hill have the chance to go to McLaren in either 97 or 98? If so, oops big time.


I think he turned down the offer because the pay wasn't high enough
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James1978 wrote:Didn't Hill have the chance to go to McLaren in either 97 or 98? If so, oops big time.


I think he turned down the offer because the pay wasn't high enough

He turned them down for money? If that's really true...

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eurobrun wrote:
James1978 wrote:Didn't Hill have the chance to go to McLaren in either 97 or 98? If so, oops big time.


I think he turned down the offer because the pay wasn't high enough

He turned them down for money? If that's really true...

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I heard he was offered cash for points instead of a salary. Of course in 97-98 he would have scored lots of points in a McLaren....
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No Hill turned down the McLaren move as Ron Dennis wanted him to play second fiddle to golden boy Hakkinen and he didn't feel, as a recent world champion, that that was a fair reflection of his abilities. I'm not sure why he turned the Jordan move down originally, but considering he moved there afterwards, it suggests to me that maybe he thought he'd made a mistake by not joining them in '97. I think he had an offer to drive for Prost as well, but I'm sure we can understand why that never came to anything! :lol:

The reason I know all this is there's a book by Hill on his 1998 season, and he talks about McLaren and Jordan and the offers he received in depth. I don't have it with me at the moment though otherwise I would have provided some quotes!
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AndreaModa wrote:No Hill turned down the McLaren move as Ron Dennis wanted him to play second fiddle to golden boy Hakkinen and he didn't feel, as a recent world champion, that that was a fair reflection of his abilities. I'm not sure why he turned the Jordan move down originally, but considering he moved there afterwards, it suggests to me that maybe he thought he'd made a mistake by not joining them in '97. I think he had an offer to drive for Prost as well, but I'm sure we can understand why that never came to anything! :lol:

The reason I know all this is there's a book by Hill on his 1998 season, and he talks about McLaren and Jordan and the offers he received in depth. I don't have it with me at the moment though otherwise I would have provided some quotes!


Actually, the 1997 Prost (Read: 1997 Ligier :lol: ) was probably one of the better cars on the grid. I mean, if Jacques Villeneuve himself said after the Spanish GP that Panis was an outside shot of the title, you must be doing something right.

1998 onwards however and we can all agree that he made the right choice to not touch Prost with a 10ft pole :lol:
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Wizzie wrote:
AndreaModa wrote:No Hill turned down the McLaren move as Ron Dennis wanted him to play second fiddle to golden boy Hakkinen and he didn't feel, as a recent world champion, that that was a fair reflection of his abilities. I'm not sure why he turned the Jordan move down originally, but considering he moved there afterwards, it suggests to me that maybe he thought he'd made a mistake by not joining them in '97. I think he had an offer to drive for Prost as well, but I'm sure we can understand why that never came to anything! :lol:

The reason I know all this is there's a book by Hill on his 1998 season, and he talks about McLaren and Jordan and the offers he received in depth. I don't have it with me at the moment though otherwise I would have provided some quotes!


Actually, the 1997 Prost (Read: 1997 Ligier :lol: ) was probably one of the better cars on the grid. I mean, if Jacques Villeneuve himself said after the Spanish GP that Panis was an outside shot of the title, you must be doing something right.

1998 onwards however and we can all agree that he made the right choice to not touch Prost with a 10ft pole :lol:


While the car itself might have been very good, neither Prost nor Panis had the mettle to properly challenge for the championship. And we're talking about Jacques Villeneuve, who nearly lost the title to a man driving a car that was 2.103s slower than the Williams in the first race.
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Shouldn't this be moved to the silly season thread
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/sep/21/lewis-hamilton-mclaren-deal-mercedes

This has similarities with the Mansell-Williams situation back in 1992, where Frank Williams offered Mansell a new deal worth far less than he was already earning, as Williams had managed to sign Prost for 1993. And of course we all know Nigel left the team in disgust at the end of the season. With that in context, I think the Hamilton-Mercedes deal is effectively signed, and they're just waiting until after this weekend to announce it. I wouldn't be surprised if Schumi makes a retirement announcement some time soon either.
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Why after this weekend?

If it has already been signed, why wait at all?
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Captain Hammer wrote:Why after this weekend?

If it has already been signed, why wait at all?


It seems to be the protocol in F1 not to announce major driver changes during race weekends. Possibly because there's a lot going on as it is & it would be disruptive to the teams involved.

Once the HAM business is settled one way or another there will probably be a raft of further less dramatic announcements in the following few days
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Well, there we are then.

The main thought that strikes me is that - on the assumption that McLaren will have completely bought Perez out of his Ferrari contract - the Italian team will regret letting the Mexican slip through their fingers.
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Paul Hayes wrote:Well, there we are then.

The main thought that strikes me is that - on the assumption that McLaren will have completely bought Perez out of his Ferrari contract - the Italian team will regret letting the Mexican slip through their fingers.


Sergio Perez? :shock:

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Bit gutted that there's been two announcements right at the start of the day regarding drivers. Killing silly season.
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Paul Hayes wrote:Well, there we are then.

The main thought that strikes me is that - on the assumption that McLaren will have completely bought Perez out of his Ferrari contract - the Italian team will regret letting the Mexican slip through their fingers.

Fair enough to Eddie Jordan then - it looks like he was right to call that move (according to the BBC, Ross Brawn appears to have convinced Hamilton that the preparations that Mercedes have made for 2014 will push the team back to the front). I just wonder whether Hamilton will be capable of playing the long game at Mercedes and can build that team up into a competitive outfit. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19755236

I agree, though, that Ferrari may well regret stalling over Perez - it looks like a pretty decent deal for both sides, as I imagine that Button would make a good mentor for Perez, whilst McLaren will no doubt be considering the benefits from Perez's backing from Telmex.
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I'm very disappointed in this for 3 reasons -

1) Eddie Jordan will NEVER shut up about being right (at least I can avoid his drivel by watching Sky F1)

2) I thought Ross Brawn was too intelligent to want anything to do with the spoilt brat

3) As someone who really dislikes McLaren and everything they stand for, but really likes Jenson Button and Sergio Perez, I'm a bit stuck now!
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Barbazza wrote:I'm very disappointed in this for 3 reasons -

1) Eddie Jordan will NEVER shut up about being right (at least I can avoid his drivel by watching Sky F1)

2) I thought Ross Brawn was too intelligent to want anything to do with the spoilt brat

3) As someone who really dislikes McLaren and everything they stand for, but really likes Jenson Button and Sergio Perez, I'm a bit stuck now!

This intrigues me. I don't see any reason to dislike McLaren, but that's me, what is your point of view on that? :)
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I used to really dislike McLaren, especially in 2007-2009, but since they signed Button, I actually quite like them now. Though I've never really been the sort to support a team...
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I really like McLaren. It's weird, because for drivers, I like people who are relaxed like Button, but for teams I like them to be serious.
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pasta_maldonado wrote:
Barbazza wrote:I'm very disappointed in this for 3 reasons -

1) Eddie Jordan will NEVER shut up about being right (at least I can avoid his drivel by watching Sky F1)

2) I thought Ross Brawn was too intelligent to want anything to do with the spoilt brat

3) As someone who really dislikes McLaren and everything they stand for, but really likes Jenson Button and Sergio Perez, I'm a bit stuck now!

This intrigues me. I don't see any reason to dislike McLaren, but that's me, what is your point of view on that? :)


Um..it's an opinion formed a long time ago, back when I first started watching F1, but mainly the following I think -

Corporate blandness (though Red Bull admittedly probably win on that these days) and lack of soul.

Ron Dennis

Holier than thou attitude regarding others supposedly cheating when their record on that's not exactly great.

Plus I've always been a Ferrari and Williams fan so I have my 'heritage' team and my British team to support I suppose.
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Re: BBC claiming Hamilton signs for Mercedes

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Schumacher to Ferrari, anyone? :D
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Re: BBC claiming Hamilton signs for Mercedes

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Barbazza wrote:3) As someone who really dislikes McLaren and everything they stand for, but really likes Jenson Button and Sergio Perez, I'm a bit stuck now!


Maybe the McLaren team you used to hate is changing?
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