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RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 03 Oct 2012, 21:52

Red Bull wrote:yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

Autodynamics and Red Bull World Race Team are different teams, they are related though.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 03 Oct 2012, 22:16

eurobrun wrote:
Red Bull wrote:yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

Autodynamics and Red Bull World Race Team are different teams, they are related though.

This has always confused me. How exactly are they "related"?

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 03 Oct 2012, 22:17

kostas22 wrote:
eurobrun wrote:
Red Bull wrote:yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

Autodynamics and Red Bull World Race Team are different teams, they are related though.

This has always confused me. How exactly are they "related"?

I guess it's because Autodynamics has Red Bull ties through them being their main sponsor.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 03 Oct 2012, 22:22

Phoenix wrote:
kostas22 wrote:
eurobrun wrote:Autodynamics and Red Bull World Race Team are different teams, they are related though.

This has always confused me. How exactly are they "related"?

I guess it's because Autodynamics has Red Bull ties through them being their main sponsor.

But that wouldn't make them related though. Can you say Red Bull Racing and Citroen World Rally Team are related just because the paint scheme looks similar?

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 03 Oct 2012, 22:27

kostas22 wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
kostas22 wrote:This has always confused me. How exactly are they "related"?

I guess it's because Autodynamics has Red Bull ties through them being their main sponsor.

But that wouldn't make them related though. Can you say Red Bull Racing and Citroen World Rally Team are related just because the paint scheme looks similar?

No. I was just theorizing, but it seems I Jacques'd it up.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 03 Oct 2012, 22:36

kostas22 wrote:
eurobrun wrote:
Red Bull wrote:yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

Autodynamics and Red Bull World Race Team are different teams, they are related though.

This has always confused me. How exactly are they "related"?

Autodynamics own 25% of RBWRT, 50% is owned by Red Bull themsleves and the rest is owned by some invesors. RBWRT was created in 2012 as a Red Bull young driver program and Autodynamics has existed since 1980

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 03 Oct 2012, 23:18

Phoenix wrote:
kostas22 wrote:
Phoenix wrote:I guess it's because Autodynamics has Red Bull ties through them being their main sponsor.

But that wouldn't make them related though. Can you say Red Bull Racing and Citroen World Rally Team are related just because the paint scheme looks similar?

No. I was just theorizing, but it seems I Jacques'd it up.

JV just got verb'd. Word.

Post by **Ataxia** » 04 Oct 2012, 00:08

I'll try and get the wiki updated before my Manufacturing Tech lecture tomorrow, but here are the Reject(s) of the Race(s)...

Race One: Bjorn Ekdal - Something of a dreadful performance compared to Adelaide; had a piss-poor race which was a hangover from a disappointing qualifying.
Race Two: Tuomas Shukinen - Needlessly ploughed into De Boer on the first lap which stopped the American's race (and it was a race he had the potential to do rather well in). A penalty will have to be considered for this.

Post by **Londoner** » 05 Oct 2012, 20:26

Thomas Butler wrote:Well yes, I managed to keep my slug of a mount into places where the fast ones should have been. But really, the power plant installed in my team's cars is in dire need of upgrading. We cannot continue sinking down the unestablished order during the day of the race.

Laura Wener wrote:I have to admit it, I was lucky to reach the points. thanks to Jerry being taken out needlessly by that twerp Shukinen, and Frankham stacking up about 14 cars behind him at one point. But the car did come alive and I was able to pull away quite easily from the rest of the pack. Which goes to show this car and team have potential.

Liam McGuigan wrote:Mixed feelings man, mixed feelings. Great for Laura to fight her way through the shitstorm and bring home DMR's first ever points. Gutted for Jerry being rammed off the road by that f***ing moron Shukinen! There was plenty of laps to pass him, why try to do so when your tyres are as cold as chedder and you have no grip? Jerry could've had a bloody podium, considering our pace at the end!

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 05 Oct 2012, 20:37

I'd post what Zimmer and Rosenforth said about the weekend, but it was basically a lot of swearing at Toyota and Douglas.

Post by **Ataxia** » 06 Oct 2012, 13:41

Top 6 Championship Standings

Drivers
1. Pacer - 31

2. Pykälistö - 27

3. Kwol-Cho - 19

4. Silva - 18

5. Reith - 17

6. Mestach - 15

Teams
1. Foster's Good Call Racing - 45

2. Nurminen Racing Engineering - 41

3. V-Sport - 36

4. Autobahn Grand Prix - 29

5. Scuderia Alitalia - 24

6. Red Bull World Race Team - 19

Full standings here.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 06 Oct 2012, 16:37

Luke Knight wrote: It's great to be leading both championships at this early stage, it shows everyone else that Plus One do actually know how to run a team. But I'm not counting my chickens before they hatch - it's still early doors, and the team, Gary and Alexis will have to work hard to keep us at the front.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 06 Oct 2012, 21:48

Is there anything you can do to make these Toyota-engines even slightly competitive?

Post by **Ataxia** » 07 Oct 2012, 01:16

If the other team owners agree, I could put the qualifying performance up by 2bhp and reduce the failure rate a little.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 07 Oct 2012, 01:17

BaconLettuceNinja wrote:If the other team owners agree, I could put the qualifying performance up by 2bhp and reduce the failure rate a little.

Red Bull is OK with this

Post by **Nuppiz** » 07 Oct 2012, 16:50

BaconLettuceNinja wrote:If the other team owners agree, I could put the qualifying performance up by 2bhp and reduce the failure rate a little.

No problem with that, they'll probably still stay behind our cars most of the time.

Post by **Ataxia** » 07 Oct 2012, 18:40

Right, so that's 5 teams in favour (one would assume the 3 Toyota-powered teams would agree to a slight increase in Quali performance).

If we get a majority, then it will be implemented in time for Monaco.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 07 Oct 2012, 22:12

Scuderia Alitalia are going to be bastards and vote against the change :twisted:

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 07 Oct 2012, 22:21

Aeroracing Junior Engineering votes against the proposal.

Post by **Londoner** » 07 Oct 2012, 22:24

DMR will also be voting against the proposal, as it is rather unfair on smaller teams like us that don't run Toyota engines.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 08 Oct 2012, 16:12

Foster's Good Call Racing will be voting against the proposal.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 08 Oct 2012, 17:34

And V-Sport goes neutral on it, so we can get all the hate :lol:

... or just steering away from politics.

Post by **Ataxia** » 09 Oct 2012, 18:53

I guess this might be a no-go then...sometimes I think I'm a little too democratic but that's the way it is.

Toyota users - I'll allow you to take the plunge to take a VW engine if you wish. Otherwise, I'm afraid it stays the way it is for the moment.

Oh, and I almost forgot - Tuomas Shukinen will receive a suspended 25-point performance deduction for his part in the collision with Jerry de Boer. If he performs another action that could be seen to be dangerous then this penalty will be applied.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 09 Oct 2012, 20:59

Well i don't mind being crap, it's just that that i'll ruin the careers of these drivers, which aren't mine.

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 09 Oct 2012, 21:14

I'd like to hear some good reasons why people were against it, rather than to be assholes or because they can. Only one person actually came up with a good one.

And I think I can only count four against and one neutral, compared to the five for it.

Post by **Ataxia** » 09 Oct 2012, 21:26

the Masked Lapwing wrote:And I think I can only count four against and one neutral, compared to the five for it.

I know, and I'm still waiting for a few votes. I was just anticipating what might be to come...this will be so much easier when it's a spec-series.

Anyway, here's a thing, I hope you enjoy it...

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 09 Oct 2012, 21:39

the Masked Lapwing wrote:I'd like to hear some good reasons why people were against it, rather than to be assholes or because they can. Only one person actually came up with a good one.

And I think I can only count four against and one neutral, compared to the five for it.

Not being a douche, but since my team is using Mecachrome engines, I believe we would be one of the teams to lose the most from this initiative. That's how politics work, get used to that.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 09 Oct 2012, 22:03

Phoenix wrote:
the Masked Lapwing wrote:I'd like to hear some good reasons why people were against it, rather than to be assholes or because they can. Only one person actually came up with a good one.

And I think I can only count four against and one neutral, compared to the five for it.

Not being a douche, but since my team is using Mecachrome engines, I believe we would be one of the teams to lose the most from this initiative. That's how politics work, get used to that.

Exactly. I agree that the Toyota-engined teams have a bit of a bum deal in all of this, and were I a team owner in this I'd oppose the idea unless the Volkswagen teams got their race specs boosted, because currently neither my driver nor AdrianSutil's, both of whom are in the same team, stand a hope in hell of winning a race when the engines lack so much. I guess there's two ways to get round it all, firstly to leave everything alone until next season, or alternatively bring all the engines up to parity now. As I'm not a team owner, I'm not fussed either way however.

Post by **Ataxia** » 09 Oct 2012, 23:25

AndreaModa wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
the Masked Lapwing wrote:I'd like to hear some good reasons why people were against it, rather than to be assholes or because they can. Only one person actually came up with a good one.

And I think I can only count four against and one neutral, compared to the five for it.

Not being a douche, but since my team is using Mecachrome engines, I believe we would be one of the teams to lose the most from this initiative. That's how politics work, get used to that.

Exactly. I agree that the Toyota-engined teams have a bit of a bum deal in all of this, and were I a team owner in this I'd oppose the idea unless the Volkswagen teams got their race specs boosted, because currently neither my driver nor AdrianSutil's, both of whom are in the same team, stand a hope in hell of winning a race when the engines lack so much. I guess there's two ways to get round it all, firstly to leave everything alone until next season, or alternatively bring all the engines up to parity now. As I'm not a team owner, I'm not fussed either way however.

As I might have said before, I'm leaving it as is for the rest of the season as I'm sure some interesting things will happen. There's a few races that might play into the hands of different engine users; if you remember the Toyotas were quite handy around Fuji so there's more potential circuits that they might do well on; on the other hand there's probably a few circuits that will play more into the hands of the VW cars. The potential for a wide spread of results is why I'm reluctant to suddenly drop everything and change it.

However, it will be a spec series from 2016 onwards, with some kind of upgrade system or something implemented to ensure that there's some player interaction.

Once again, I can only apologise for aspects that aren't flawless; I just did what I thought would work.

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 10 Oct 2012, 02:07

AndreaModa wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
the Masked Lapwing wrote:I'd like to hear some good reasons why people were against it, rather than to be assholes or because they can. Only one person actually came up with a good one.

And I think I can only count four against and one neutral, compared to the five for it.

Not being a douche, but since my team is using Mecachrome engines, I believe we would be one of the teams to lose the most from this initiative. That's how politics work, get used to that.

Exactly. I agree that the Toyota-engined teams have a bit of a bum deal in all of this, and were I a team owner in this I'd oppose the idea unless the Volkswagen teams got their race specs boosted, because currently neither my driver nor AdrianSutil's, both of whom are in the same team, stand a hope in hell of winning a race when the engines lack so much. I guess there's two ways to get round it all, firstly to leave everything alone until next season, or alternatively bring all the engines up to parity now. As I'm not a team owner, I'm not fussed either way however.

I'd be fine with letting the VWs gain extra race power, in the interests of fairness.
And Phoenix, that's all I needed was a decent reason. Although the Opel teams would probably have more to lose considering they have, what, 4 of the top 5 teams? And take away RBWRT's win and Roter Baron's 2nd, how many points do Mechachrome and Toyota have?

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 11 Oct 2012, 05:23

Tom Douglas wrote:The hell are you doing son? You finish second in the pre-season cup and now you do that? I ought to give you a damn good thrashing for this crap.

James Douglas wrote:Sorry pops. It's just this dodgy car's stuffed up bro and this commish bloke's away with the bloody faries mate. This car use to be choc-a-block full of speed cuz but now I can get bugger all out of it mate.

Tom Douglas wrote:Bloody oaf, what did he just say? Better teach the kid proper Queen's English before the next race then.

Post by **Ataxia** » 11 Oct 2012, 12:41

James Douglas wrote:Sorry pops. It's just this dodgy car's stuffed up bro and this commish bloke's away with the bloody faries mate. This car use to be choc-a-block full of speed cuz but now I can get bugger all out of it mate.

Jacques Couteau - RDS Board of Directors wrote:Ze cars 'av not changed between now and ze Winter Cup. I believe Monsieur Douglas needs to just start driving a little bit faster instead of all zis complaining...

Post by **Ataxia** » 11 Oct 2012, 21:06

Oh and ah, Monaco will have video coverage as the person in the room next to me in my halls is away for the weekend. This means I can commentate freely without feeling too conspicuous...

Hopefully it will be enjoyable for all of you; it will be in the style of a highlights package (and if I can work them out, an appearance of late 80's style grid graphics...).

Post by **Ataxia** » 16 Oct 2012, 22:23

Yeah...the race was very un-videoworthy because it wasn't exactly littered with excitement.

I'll spare you all the pictures this time unless requested; I didn't take screenshots but I can go through the race again and take some if you want. If nobody really cares, I'll just slap the results down this week.

Anyway, the quali results for Monaco:

Grovey · Post by **Grovey** » 17 Oct 2012, 01:22

Matt Grove wrote:This is the opposite of the winter cup. Now I'm faster than that Kiwi

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 17 Oct 2012, 09:51

We're constantly in the top 10 with one driver, and in the midfield with the other. :lol:

Post by **Ataxia** » 18 Oct 2012, 19:18

Race Results:

I guess nobody really cares for pictures; and again I apologise for the lack of a video. I was editing it, and realised that there was very little good material that would actually interest people.

The only noteworthy things were the retirements; Silva had a transmission failure and ploughed into the wall, and Mestach's car suffered a puncture coming out of the tunnel stopping at the chicane.

Pacer had a good start though, rocketing off the line past Shukinen and producing quite a strong lead. Rosenforth will also be pleased with their afternoon as they got a strong result on a track that was thought to suit the VW cars more. De Boer also got his first points of the season after a spell of horrendous luck.

ROTR is Stan Frankham, who managed to not only qualify poorly but slipped to 21st. Rather poor on a track where overtaking is usually at a premium.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 18 Oct 2012, 19:29

Luke Knight wrote:I'm simply amazed at how well the team has performed this year; we've passed my expectations already. Anyway, back to the race - Gary drove well and deserved that win, but lest us not forget that Alexis also put in a stunning drive to finish in the points. Well done to both of our drivers and to everyone in the team - fantastic work guys keep it up! I think what this shows most of all is that Plus One can find talent, and we can mix it with established teams and put up a decent performance.

Gary Pacer wrote: Wow. Two wins in 4 races, and the lead of the championship? I couldn't ask for more. Well, except for some of the stash of Foster's...

Post by **Ataxia** » 18 Oct 2012, 19:51

pasta_maldonado wrote:
Gary Pacer wrote: Wow. Two wins in 4 races, and the lead of the championship? I couldn't ask for more. Well, except for some of the stash of Foster's...

Foster's. Because Australians have a dark sense of humour.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 18 Oct 2012, 20:27

BaconLettuceNinja wrote:
pasta_maldonado wrote:
Gary Pacer wrote: Wow. Two wins in 4 races, and the lead of the championship? I couldn't ask for more. Well, except for some of the stash of Foster's...

Foster's. Because Australians have a dark sense of humour.

Foster's is all the rubbish stuff that we send over to those naive Poms over in the Motherland. We keep all the good stuff for ourselves :lol: