RIP Manor Racing (2010-2017)

inchworm · Post by **inchworm** » 10 Aug 2012, 09:52

He was so close to doing a Kovalainen, too. In the first year the out performed the car by a long way, second year less so and now his motivation seems to have gone... Although exactly where Heikki's efforts will take him remain to be seen

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 10 Aug 2012, 14:38

inchworm wrote:He was so close to doing a Kovalainen, too. In the first year the out performed the car by a long way, second year less so and now his motivation seems to have gone... Although exactly where Heikki's efforts will take him remain to be seen

Heikki > Ferrari
Timo > DTM

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 10 Aug 2012, 22:02

kostas22 wrote:Heikki > Ferrari
Timo > DTM

Do you mean that Heikki and Timo are better/greater than Ferrari and DTM, or that is where they ought to go?

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 10 Aug 2012, 23:24

kostas22 wrote:Timo > DTM

That would be really interesting to see.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 11 Aug 2012, 02:59

dr-baker wrote:
kostas22 wrote:Heikki > Ferrari
Timo > DTM

Do you mean that Heikki and Timo are better/greater than Ferrari and DTM, or that is where they ought to go?

No, the Heikki > Ferrari was clearly a typo and Kostas thought Glock is better than anyone who has ever driven in DTM. Including di Resta. And Ralf Schumacher. And Mika Hakkinen. Which is quite a bold statement, to say the least.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 11 Aug 2012, 18:04

JeremyMcClean wrote:
dr-baker wrote:
kostas22 wrote:Heikki > Ferrari
Timo > DTM

Do you mean that Heikki and Timo are better/greater than Ferrari and DTM, or that is where they ought to go?

No, the Heikki > Ferrari was clearly a typo and Kostas thought Glock is better than anyone who has ever driven in DTM. Including di Resta. And Ralf Schumacher. And Mika Hakkinen. Which is quite a bold statement, to say the least.

And Jean Alesi. Don't forget Alesi.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 11 Aug 2012, 21:53

Don't forget Coulthard!

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 12 Aug 2012, 17:54

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:Don't forget Coulthard!

We're trying to...

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 12 Aug 2012, 18:04

AdrianSutil wrote:
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:Don't forget Coulthard!

We're trying to...

Not as much as we're trying to forget Ralf Schumacher.

Post by **Ataxia** » 12 Aug 2012, 18:37

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
AdrianSutil wrote:
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:Don't forget Coulthard!

We're trying to...

Not as much as we're trying to forget Ralf Schumacher.

I don't think Klon would be too pleased... :lol:

QuickYoda41 · Post by **QuickYoda41** » 12 Aug 2012, 20:27

I saw one of the Hungarian TV-workers wearing a Virgin-baseball cap yesterday, true rejects are popular everywhere!

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 12 Aug 2012, 22:23

Coulthard and Half Schumacher are shite in DTM.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 13 Aug 2012, 07:55

eurobrun wrote:Half Schumacher is shite in DTM.

He was shite in F1.Here's why

14 Hundred Hours · Post by **14 Hundred Hours** » 13 Aug 2012, 18:31

The only F1 books my school library has are from around 2008/2009, and more than a couple of them hail Timo as a rising star and such like. Maybe in an alternate universe... *sigh*

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 14 Aug 2012, 06:31

The idea behind Glock moving to Virgin/Marussia was for him to lead them up the grid. The problem was that progress has been much slower than anticipated.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 14 Aug 2012, 19:25

Captain Hammer wrote:The idea behind Glock moving to Virgin/Marussia was for him to lead them up the grid. The problem was that progress has been much slower than anticipated.

It has, and that has to be attributed mainly to the team's direction with car development early on, and having only recently switched to using wind tunnels. However it must also be said that Glock, in comparison to a driver such as De La Rosa, is clearly not cut out for doing long-term development work. He can develop a car over a season, but I think he's lacking when it comes to the sort of ability De La Rosa is employing at HRT. Now Timo is realising that things are going no-where, he wants out, but it's too late to save his F1 career I think. Marussia would be better off without him if his motivation is completely gone and instead employing someone who brings some money to the table, such as Haryanto or Chilton as we've discussed.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 14 Aug 2012, 21:48

AndreaModa wrote:
Captain Hammer wrote:The idea behind Glock moving to Virgin/Marussia was for him to lead them up the grid. The problem was that progress has been much slower than anticipated.

It has, and that has to be attributed mainly to the team's direction with car development early on, and having only recently switched to using wind tunnels. However it must also be said that Glock, in comparison to a driver such as De La Rosa, is clearly not cut out for doing long-term development work. He can develop a car over a season, but I think he's lacking when it comes to the sort of ability De La Rosa is employing at HRT. Now Timo is realising that things are going no-where, he wants out, but it's too late to save his F1 career I think. Marussia would be better off without him if his motivation is completely gone and instead employing someone who brings some money to the table, such as Haryanto or Chilton as we've discussed.

Or someone with lots of testing experience at a top team like De La Rosa with HRT...like, for example, Luca Badoer?

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 14 Aug 2012, 22:29

I'm having problems deciding what's slower at Marussia right now: their car, or their progress up the grid.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 29 Aug 2012, 23:27

Well, of the two teams not running KERS in 2012, one of them has definitely confirmed it will be running it in 2013.

Marussia to use Williams KERS in 2013 F1 season

Good news I suppose, though it's hardly going to catapult them onto the back of Caterham, let alone the lower midfield. Little steps though, any progress is good at the end of the day. They're also definitely sticking with Cosworth, so we can be sure the engine maker will be around for at least one more year.

It's also interesting to see that Pat Symonds is getting ever more involved with the team. I'd suspect he'll be given an official role there for next year possibly.

QuickYoda41 · Post by **QuickYoda41** » 30 Aug 2012, 15:43

Finally, a little hope that Marussia won't be this rejectful forever.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 21 Sep 2012, 19:36

Something that may be of interest to people considering that Marussia are seemingly on the up a bit currently, the BBC did this short video on the team and its IT and computing ability, its mostly talked through by Pat Symonds. Quite an interesting watch if you fancy it:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19623281

And just rounding up a bit of other news about them, at the end of August they signed a deal with Free Radio who join as another partner/sponsor. Not quite sure what the deal involves though!

On the driver front, I'm sure everyone's aware that Max Chilton is now the team's official reserve driver, which will come into effect from Japan onwards.
http://www.marussiaf1team.com/news/663/

And finally, Tio Elinas has been handed a seat at the Young Driver Test next year after his results in GP3.
http://www.marussiaf1team.com/news/661/

McDuck · Post by **McDuck** » 06 Oct 2012, 09:20

McDuck wrote:http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gallery/pictures/2011/f1/test-catalunya-10mar/253.jpg

What a pile of junk. I will go out on a limb here and declare that this is the worst car design currently racing (LOL) in Formula 1.

Why???

A CFD only approach might sound viable to someone on drugs, but it's painfully obvious just by looking at the car that the computer isn't generating optimal aerodynamic data. If it were, the car would look something like this:

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gall ... medium.jpg

ATTENTION MARUSSIA VIRGIN RACING FORMULA ONE TEAM: Your CFD only experiment is a FAILURE.

$5 FRN says that HRT beats them in the WCC again.

Agree or disagree?

Looks like I called it last year. A CFD only approach was a dead end. If it truly worked then the car would have been consistently fast and looked unique, or it would have been consistently fast and looked like a front running car.

It looked unique and was consistently slow.

Flashing forward to 2012...

The Marussia partnership with McLaren seems to be working. I think they have a real shot at another good result this year. Barring unforeseen madness, 10th place in the constructors is a lock. They'll score a point next year if they have KERS.

madmark1974 · Post by **madmark1974** » 10 Oct 2012, 12:34

Just thought I'd share this link with you, mentioned on the BBC F1 website :

http://www.hola.com/famosos/2012101061154/portada-hola-maria-de-villota-jessica-bueno-raquel-jimenez/

It's a preview of an interview with Maria De Villota from the Spanish Hello Magazine, and has a picture of her featuring an eye patch. Here's a google-translated snippet :

"The first day I looked in the mirror, I had 104 points on the face, black, which seemed sewn with nautical rope, and had lost my right eye. I was horrified "tells the pilot.

Mary, who still must undergo two more operations to correct a displacement one skull and one to rebuild the eye, freely admits: "Now I have only one eye, may perceive more things than before,
my life was a full trial, was a race against time, and now is when I see that we must stop and measure things differently. already are tenths of chrono, but the little moments. "

LellaLombardi · Post by **LellaLombardi** » 10 Oct 2012, 12:59

madmark1974 wrote:Just thought I'd share this link with you, mentioned on the BBC F1 website :

http://www.hola.com/famosos/2012101061154/portada-hola-maria-de-villota-jessica-bueno-raquel-jimenez/

It's a preview of an interview with Maria De Villota from the Spanish Hello Magazine, and has a picture of her featuring an eye patch. Here's a google-translated snippet :

"The first day I looked in the mirror, I had 104 points on the face, black, which seemed sewn with nautical rope, and had lost my right eye. I was horrified "tells the pilot.

Mary, who still must undergo two more operations to correct a displacement one skull and one to rebuild the eye, freely admits: "Now I have only one eye, may perceive more things than before,
my life was a full trial, was a race against time, and now is when I see that we must stop and measure things differently. already are tenths of chrono, but the little moments. "

Can I just say, I'm female and I think she looks totally hot on the magazine cover! She rocks that eyepatch!
What a fabulous lady. I hope we will see Zanardi-esque exploits from her in the future

madmark1974 · Post by **madmark1974** » 10 Oct 2012, 13:04

LellaLombardi wrote:
madmark1974 wrote:Just thought I'd share this link with you, mentioned on the BBC F1 website :

http://www.hola.com/famosos/2012101061154/portada-hola-maria-de-villota-jessica-bueno-raquel-jimenez/

It's a preview of an interview with Maria De Villota from the Spanish Hello Magazine, and has a picture of her featuring an eye patch. Here's a google-translated snippet :

"The first day I looked in the mirror, I had 104 points on the face, black, which seemed sewn with nautical rope, and had lost my right eye. I was horrified "tells the pilot.

Mary, who still must undergo two more operations to correct a displacement one skull and one to rebuild the eye, freely admits: "Now I have only one eye, may perceive more things than before,
my life was a full trial, was a race against time, and now is when I see that we must stop and measure things differently. already are tenths of chrono, but the little moments. "

Can I just say, I'm female and I think she looks totally hot on the magazine cover! She rocks that eyepatch!
What a fabulous lady. I hope we will see Zanardi-esque exploits from her in the future

I must say I agree, I like the short hair too ...

Ferrarist · Post by **Ferrarist** » 10 Oct 2012, 17:37

Am I the only one, who has to think of Big Boss from Metal Gear Solid? I mean it as a compliment, as I was expecting something much worse. But the eyepatch makes her look badass. She should have kept her long hair, though.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 11 Oct 2012, 21:30

Ferrarist wrote:Am I the only one, who has to think of Big Boss from Metal Gear Solid? I mean it as a compliment, as I was expecting something much worse. But the eyepatch makes her look badass. She should have kept her long hair, though.

The hair will grow back. And she still is a very nice-looking girl. She ought to have no lack of self-confidence with a physical recovery like that.

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 11 Oct 2012, 22:04

For those with a strong disposition. This has been cropping up on Twitter all day. I could have posted the pic. but decided the link with a warning of graphic content would be better....

http://www.mobypicture.com/user/piusgas ... w/13983566

Via ScarbsF1 (Carl Scarborough) so a reasonably reliable source.......

Post by **Ataxia** » 11 Oct 2012, 22:07

Ferrarist wrote:Am I the only one, who has to think of Big Boss from Metal Gear Solid? I mean it as a compliment, as I was expecting something much worse. But the eyepatch makes her look badass. She should have kept her long hair, though.

I was thinking more Fujin from Final Fantasy 8...

S951 · Post by **S951** » 11 Oct 2012, 22:13

it's good to see here smiling and talking, saw the x ray pic on another forum and that was utterly horrifying being honest she still has some ops to go but I am sure she will be back in some capacity

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 11 Oct 2012, 22:18

BaconLettuceNinja wrote:
Ferrarist wrote:Am I the only one, who has to think of Big Boss from Metal Gear Solid? I mean it as a compliment, as I was expecting something much worse. But the eyepatch makes her look badass. She should have kept her long hair, though.

I was thinking more Fujin from Final Fantasy 8...

RAGE!

I was thinking that too. Fortunately, she did not conduct the interview in the same way Fujin would have...

...which for anyone not aware means to answer with one word, and in CAPS LOCK.

S951 · Post by **S951** » 28 Nov 2012, 20:31

Maria De Villota has undergone more surgery

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... 012084.361

S951 · Post by **S951** » 03 Dec 2012, 22:37

had the op now out of hosp

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104715

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 03 Dec 2012, 22:53

Good to see her recovering well. I wonder how the team have dealt with it in the aftermath? Haven't heard much out of them for a while about Maria, recently its just been the reports from the race weekends that have been going up on the website. I'd like to see them offer her some kind of ceremonial role or carry out a gesture to acknowledge her, that would be nice.

On the team's front they recently held a sponsors/partners/VIPs post-season dinner at the HQ in Banbury with the thing held in the race bays which looked pretty neat, there's some pictures here on their Facebook page.

Nothing as of yet on the second driver front, and after that speculation around mid-season on Glock's future, it seems the improvements towards the end of the year have placated him somewhat. I think we're all in agreement that Max Chilton looks like he's a dead cert for the second seat though. In my opinion it's frustrating because I think Marussia could really use having both drivers stay on for two years to help with continuity and development, and I think if Pic hadn't gone to Caterham, then it would have been likely that that would have happened. As it is they'll have another rookie, green as grass, to bed in and train up over the winter. Hopefully Max can do as well as Pic has done and give Glock a run for his money.

Zetec · Post by **Zetec** » 04 Dec 2012, 09:51

AndreaModa wrote:Nothing as of yet on the second driver front, and after that speculation around mid-season on Glock's future, it seems the improvements towards the end of the year have placated him somewhat. I think we're all in agreement that Max Chilton looks like he's a dead cert for the second seat though. In my opinion it's frustrating because I think Marussia could really use having both drivers stay on for two years to help with continuity and development, and I think if Pic hadn't gone to Caterham, then it would have been likely that that would have happened. As it is they'll have another rookie, green as grass, to bed in and train up over the winter. Hopefully Max can do as well as Pic has done and give Glock a run for his money.

Have you seen Glocks new house in Switzerland? Well the money has to come from somewhere... So to pay Glock, they need a paydriver.

And diGrassi, as d'Ambrosio just had sponsorship money for one season.
http://maps.google.ch/maps?q=47.664021, ... 20&iwloc=A

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 04 Dec 2012, 09:59

AndreaModa wrote:Nothing as of yet on the second driver front, and after that speculation around mid-season on Glock's future, it seems the improvements towards the end of the year have placated him somewhat. I think we're all in agreement that Max Chilton looks like he's a dead cert for the second seat though. In my opinion it's frustrating because I think Marussia could really use having both drivers stay on for two years to help with continuity and development, and I think if Pic hadn't gone to Caterham, then it would have been likely that that would have happened. As it is they'll have another rookie, green as grass, to bed in and train up over the winter. Hopefully Max can do as well as Pic has done and give Glock a run for his money.

Well, I for one rate Chilton quite highly (Although I personally think James Calado has the edge on him but that's a story for another day) so I say good on the kid if he does get the Marussia drive. And from what I heard, Rio Haryanto is pretty decent as well plus he's also got a bit a cash on him so Marussia do have a few up and coming drivers within their ranks, which bodes well for the future.

Backmarker · Post by **Backmarker** » 05 Dec 2012, 16:13

Wizzie wrote:Well, I for one rate Chilton quite highly (Although I personally think James Calado has the edge on him but that's a story for another day) so I say good on the kid if he does get the Marussia drive. And from what I heard, Rio Haryanto is pretty decent as well plus he's also got a bit a cash on him so Marussia do have a few up and coming drivers within their ranks, which bodes well for the future.

And behind him there's Tio Ellinas, flush with all that Cypriot money...er...

S951 · Post by **S951** » 05 Dec 2012, 17:08

http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?showtopic=178664

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 09 Dec 2012, 01:19

Good news everyone!

Graeme Lowdon tells Autosport that the MVR-03 is on schedule to appear at the first pre-season test!

This is great to hear, especially the bits that are apparently ahead of schedule. I think a full program of pre-season testing will really let them hit the ground running for the first race.

Post by **Ataxia** » 09 Dec 2012, 02:21

AndreaModa wrote:Good news everyone!

Graeme Lowdon tells Autosport that the MVR-03 is on schedule to appear at the first pre-season test!

This is great to hear, especially the bits that are apparently ahead of schedule. I think a full program of pre-season testing will really let them hit the ground running for the first race.

A very interesting part of that was Lowdon's statement that the 2012 car was yet again a completely CFD car when it began. I'm hopeful that good things can come from them next season...