James1978 wrote:I have absolutely zero idea but I'm dying to find out the answer.
So am I, although I am guessing that the reason might be that, in a similar situation to Stewart, that their racing suits were covered in something like fuel or oil, hence why they ditched their suits.
You're getting closer, but you're still missing the other champion, the race and the exact context.
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Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
The other driver in question is John Surtees, both ended up without their race suits on because Surtees had an engine failure or something similar, Hill was following behind, both were spouted with oil, fuel, lubricant, etc forcing both into the pits, at which point they pulled off and stripped off!
AndreaModa wrote:Okay, I'm just taking a wild guess here.
The other driver in question is John Surtees, both ended up without their race suits on because Surtees had an engine failure or something similar, Hill was following behind, both were spouted with oil, fuel, lubricant, etc forcing both into the pits, at which point they pulled off and stripped off!
The other champion is indeed John Surtees, but Surtees was not directly involved in the incident that doused Hill in fuel...
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
My guess would be the wild 1966 Belgian Grand Prix, the one where Stewart, Hill and Bob Bondurant all crashed on lap 1. I remember reading about Hill and Bondurant pulling Stewart out of his car, and Hill became covered in fuel. Stewart asked Hill to remove his clothing, aware that his fuel-soaked race suit remained a major risk and was also burning his skin. "Then these nuns came in," Stewart said, "and spotting a naked man in the back of a hay truck put my clothes back on. Having found an ambulance, Graham came back in and took my clothes back off again."
The only problem with that is that Surtees went on to win the race, so that wouldn't make sense.
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Rocks with Salt wrote:My guess would be the wild 1966 Belgian Grand Prix, the one where Stewart, Hill and Bob Bondurant all crashed on lap 1. I remember reading about Hill and Bondurant pulling Stewart out of his car, and Hill became covered in fuel. Stewart asked Hill to remove his clothing, aware that his fuel-soaked race suit remained a major risk and was also burning his skin. "Then these nuns came in," Stewart said, "and spotting a naked man in the back of a hay truck put my clothes back on. Having found an ambulance, Graham came back in and took my clothes back off again."
The only problem with that is that Surtees went on to win the race, so that wouldn't make sense.
... I already guessed that one...
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No, we already know that it's Surtees and Graham Hill. Hill was soaked in fuel, but you haven't guessed why, in which race it was and what Surtees had to do with it.
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
"You wag your finger at me one more time, I'm going to break it off and stick it right up your arse!"
Who said this to another driver, in only his 6th Formula One Grand Prix? Oh, and the driver receiving this verbal assault was at that time already a WDC.
Jocke1 wrote:"You wag your finger at me one more time, I'm going to break it off and stick it right up your arse!"
Who said this to another driver, in only his 6th Formula One Grand Prix? Oh, and the driver receiving this verbal assault was at that time already a WDC.
The answer's David Purley. It's far too easy considering that very quote is the sig of one of the more prolific members on the forum
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Jocke1 wrote:"You wag your finger at me one more time, I'm going to break it off and stick it right up your arse!"
Who said this to another driver, in only his 6th Formula One Grand Prix? Oh, and the driver receiving this verbal assault was at that time already a WDC.
David Purley to Niki Lauda, the quote is in someones sig
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tommykl wrote:That quote is/was indeed in James1978's sig. And since no one found the answer to my question, should I just give the answer?
Yes, as I have no idea
It was at the 1970 United States Grand Prix. Graham Hill had a leak in his fuel tank and was doused in gasoline. After two stops, he asked for a clean set of overalls, but there were none available. He then spotted John Surtees by the pitlane, who had retired earlier and was still in his overalls. Hill got naked, got his mechanics to throw water on him, before getting Surtees to hand him his own racing overalls to continue the race, which he did, only to retire on lap 72.
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Jocke1 wrote:"You wag your finger at me one more time, I'm going to break it off and stick it right up your arse!"
Who said this to another driver, in only his 6th Formula One Grand Prix? Oh, and the driver receiving this verbal assault was at that time already a WDC.
The answer's David Purley. It's far too easy considering that very quote is the sig of one of the more prolific members on the forum
Alright, cool. I was re-reading the April '99 issue of the F1 Racing mag and got it from an article there.
The last person to die in a F1 car wasn't Ayrton Senna. Who was it, when, where, and what was he driving? And for a bonus point what did he have in common with Nelson Piquet and Pierre Levegh
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eurobrun wrote:The last person to die in a F1 car wasn't Ayrton Senna. Who was it, when, where, and what was he driving? And for a bonus point what did he have in common with Nelson Piquet and Pierre Levegh
The key word here's 'in', which immediately suggests that it was either one of the BOSS GP categories, most likely the one in Europe, or at Goodwood. Based on that logic, would it be John Dawson-Damer in the Lotus 63 at Goodwood in 2000?
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eurobrun wrote:The last person to die in a F1 car wasn't Ayrton Senna. Who was it, when, where, and what was he driving? And for a bonus point what did he have in common with Nelson Piquet and Pierre Levegh
The key word here's 'in', which immediately suggests that it was either one of the BOSS GP categories, most likely the one in Europe, or at Goodwood. Based on that logic, would it be John Dawson-Damer in the Lotus 63 at Goodwood in 2000?
Nope, he was the second most recent though
EDIT: Your logic is correct though
aerond wrote:Yes RDD, but we always knew you never had any sort of taste either
tommykl wrote:I have a shite car and meme sponsors, but Corrado Fabi will carry me to the promised land with the power of Lionel Richie.
It was Fritz Glatz in a EuroBOSS race at Most, but I can't figure out the similarities with Levegh and Piquet...For Levegh, I'm guessing it's because he went airborne?
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
tommykl wrote:It was Fritz Glatz in a EuroBOSS race at Most
The similarity between the drivers is that they all usually raced under a different name. Glatz raced as PIerre Chauvet in F3000 and also used a couple of other pseudonyms. (Although it was debatable about Piquet)
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OK then, I reckon that I have a particularly interesting question here that might stump some of you for a while.
As everybody knows, back in the mid 1960's Chapman signed the deal that lead to the creation of the legendary Ford Cosworth DFV - at the same time, however, the deal resulted in a side development that would unintentionally help make the very engine that it created obsolete in later years when placed in the hands of a rival manufacturer. What was that particular side development, and how did it help the rival manufacturer?
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mario wrote:OK then, I reckon that I have a particularly interesting question here that might stump some of you for a while.
As everybody knows, back in the mid 1960's Chapman signed the deal that lead to the creation of the legendary Ford Cosworth DFV - at the same time, however, the deal resulted in a side development that would unintentionally help make the very engine that it created obsolete in later years when placed in the hands of a rival manufacturer. What was that particular side development, and how did it help the rival manufacturer?
My guess about the side development would be the turbo.However,I just cannot place that rival manufacturer....Porsche?
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mario wrote:OK then, I reckon that I have a particularly interesting question here that might stump some of you for a while.
As everybody knows, back in the mid 1960's Chapman signed the deal that lead to the creation of the legendary Ford Cosworth DFV - at the same time, however, the deal resulted in a side development that would unintentionally help make the very engine that it created obsolete in later years when placed in the hands of a rival manufacturer. What was that particular side development, and how did it help the rival manufacturer?
I'm guessing Renault got their hands on whatever the development was...
Was it physically on the engine or was this development a separate piece of kit?
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mario wrote:OK then, I reckon that I have a particularly interesting question here that might stump some of you for a while.
As everybody knows, back in the mid 1960's Chapman signed the deal that lead to the creation of the legendary Ford Cosworth DFV - at the same time, however, the deal resulted in a side development that would unintentionally help make the very engine that it created obsolete in later years when placed in the hands of a rival manufacturer. What was that particular side development, and how did it help the rival manufacturer?
I don't really know the answer, but I'm guessing that the Lotus 56 is involved, the one powered by the Pratt & Whitney gas turbine engine. I have no idea what the particular side development was, other than the concept of a turbine in an F1 car.
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mario wrote:OK then, I reckon that I have a particularly interesting question here that might stump some of you for a while.
As everybody knows, back in the mid 1960's Chapman signed the deal that lead to the creation of the legendary Ford Cosworth DFV - at the same time, however, the deal resulted in a side development that would unintentionally help make the very engine that it created obsolete in later years when placed in the hands of a rival manufacturer. What was that particular side development, and how did it help the rival manufacturer?
I don't really know the answer, but I'm guessing that the Lotus 56 is involved, the one powered by the Pratt & Whitney gas turbine engine. I have no idea what the particular side development was, other than the concept of a turbine in an F1 car.
It isn't that particular development - in fact, it was something that was developed in advance of the DFV (it was something that Cosworth started work on in 1965 and first used in anger in 1966), but fed into the design of both the DFV and the design that the rival manufacturer later adopted.
Martin Brundle, on watching a replay of Grosjean spinning: "The problem with Grosjean is that he want to take a look back at the corner he's just exited"
mario wrote:OK then, I reckon that I have a particularly interesting question here that might stump some of you for a while.
As everybody knows, back in the mid 1960's Chapman signed the deal that lead to the creation of the legendary Ford Cosworth DFV - at the same time, however, the deal resulted in a side development that would unintentionally help make the very engine that it created obsolete in later years when placed in the hands of a rival manufacturer. What was that particular side development, and how did it help the rival manufacturer?
I don't really know the answer, but I'm guessing that the Lotus 56 is involved, the one powered by the Pratt & Whitney gas turbine engine. I have no idea what the particular side development was, other than the concept of a turbine in an F1 car.
It isn't that particular development - in fact, it was something that was developed in advance of the DFV (it was something that Cosworth started work on in 1965 and first used in anger in 1966), but fed into the design of both the DFV and the design that the rival manufacturer later adopted.
Is it the monstrosity that was the 4-wheel drive car?
Well initally the DFV produced a DOHC I4 for Forumla 2. Would this have fallen into BMW's (who was big in F2 and ran an I4 turbo) hands?
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Wallio wrote:Well initally the DFV produced a DOHC I4 for Forumla 2. Would this have fallen into BMW's (who was big in F2 and ran an I4 turbo) hands?
You've almost got the answer - as part of the development process of the DFV, Cosworth produced the FVA for Formula 2 as a technological test bed for the DFV (in some ways, the DFV was akin to a doubled up version of the FVA). You are also right about the rival manufacturer being BMW - they did indeed want, and managed, to get their hands on the FVA to analyse a particular part of the engine (which you've hinted at) for their engine, and it was something that was eventually transferred into Formula 1 too.
Martin Brundle, on watching a replay of Grosjean spinning: "The problem with Grosjean is that he want to take a look back at the corner he's just exited"
Ahhh this is killing me lol. I would say either the valve-train geometry or the strengthening of the block itself but I'm just guessing now.
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Wallio wrote:Ahhh this is killing me lol. I would say either the valve-train geometry or the strengthening of the block itself but I'm just guessing now.
You've got it - Cosworth had put a lot of development effort into the design of the cylinder head and the intake valves in particular, leading to a marked improvement in combustion efficiency (which in turn lead to a marked improvement in power output over the existing Formula 2 engines). In the early 1970's, BMW managed to get their hands on the latest version of the FVA and adapted Cosworth's solution for the FVA to their M12 engine, and a number of those developments were then carried over into BMW's Formula 1 program when they decided to produce a turbocharged version of their engine. In that sense, therefore, Cosworth unintentionally helped BMW create the turbo engine that would take the 1983 WDC and help render the DFV uncompetitive.
Martin Brundle, on watching a replay of Grosjean spinning: "The problem with Grosjean is that he want to take a look back at the corner he's just exited"
Wallio wrote:Ahhh this is killing me lol. I would say either the valve-train geometry or the strengthening of the block itself but I'm just guessing now.
You've got it - Cosworth had put a lot of development effort into the design of the cylinder head and the intake valves in particular, leading to a marked improvement in combustion efficiency (which in turn lead to a marked improvement in power output over the existing Formula 2 engines). In the early 1970's, BMW managed to get their hands on the latest version of the FVA and adapted Cosworth's solution for the FVA to their M12 engine, and a number of those developments were then carried over into BMW's Formula 1 program when they decided to produce a turbocharged version of their engine. In that sense, therefore, Cosworth unintentionally helped BMW create the turbo engine that would take the 1983 WDC and help render the DFV uncompetitive.
I love stories like that. At least BMW actually put the "aquired" engine to good use. In the late '80s Pat Patrick sent two Chevy Ilmor Indys to new partner Alfa Corse (which got Patrick blacklisted in Indycar BTW). The new improved Alfa however was still an overweight, underpowered pig which liked to go Kablammo.
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andrew wrote:who is the last surviving driver to start the 1950 British gp??
They've all passed away, haven't they?
If we say who WAS the last surviving driver, I believe it's Tony Rolt.
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andrew wrote:Also to make it harder. not including Shared drives. Rolt did not driver the whole weekend.
In that instance, de Graffenreid?
Here's a fairly easy question; when Eddie Irvine took part in his first race for Jordan in Japan, two things appeared on his overalls that upset two different parties. What were the offending items, and who did they upset?
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andrew wrote:Also to make it harder. not including Shared drives. Rolt did not driver the whole weekend.
In that instance, de Graffenreid?
Here's a fairly easy question; when Eddie Irvine took part in his first race for Jordan in Japan, two things appeared on his overalls that upset two different parties. What were the offending items, and who did they upset?
I'm only going to make a small point, but the four-leaf clover must be one.
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andrew wrote:Also to make it harder. not including Shared drives. Rolt did not driver the whole weekend.
In that instance, de Graffenreid?
Here's a fairly easy question; when Eddie Irvine took part in his first race for Jordan in Japan, two things appeared on his overalls that upset two different parties. What were the offending items, and who did they upset?
I'm only going to make a small point, but the four-leaf clover must be one.
That is related to one of them, yeah...
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