2013 Silly Season Thread

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 10 Dec 2012, 21:17

James1978 wrote:Why have Senna when you can have Kobayashi FFS!!!!

Well, I could be that guy and ask why Kobayashi when you can have Barrichello ("FFS!!!!") ... and yes, I am going to be that guy.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 10 Dec 2012, 21:18

James1978 wrote:If the Force sign Senna then they're resigned to 8th at best in the constructors. Maybe even 9th as Toro Rosso might beat them!

At least we have a clear candidate for ROTY 2013...

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 10 Dec 2012, 21:18

The Force will not be with them if they sign that clown...

Post by **Londoner** » 10 Dec 2012, 21:20

GO HOME FORCE INDIA. :evil:

(pre-empting what I fear is the inevitable.)

Post by **Nuppiz** » 10 Dec 2012, 21:20

James1978 wrote:Why have Senna when you can have Kobayashi FFS!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETxmCCsMoD0

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 10 Dec 2012, 22:03

Nuppiz wrote:
James1978 wrote:Why have Senna when you can have Kobayashi FFS!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETxmCCsMoD0

This sums it up better...

Post by **Ataxia** » 10 Dec 2012, 22:08

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Nuppiz wrote:
James1978 wrote:Why have Senna when you can have Kobayashi FFS!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETxmCCsMoD0

This sums it up better...

Or this might suffice...

Minardi Man · Post by **Minardi Man** » 10 Dec 2012, 22:39

BaconLettuceNinja wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Nuppiz wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETxmCCsMoD0

This sums it up better...

Or this might suffice...

Pigs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwU8QeW4ofU

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 10 Dec 2012, 22:41

Minardi Man wrote:
BaconLettuceNinja wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:This sums it up better...

Or this might suffice...

Pigs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwU8QeW4ofU

Stop being stuck in the past: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FKoplr-c1k

Post by **Nuppiz** » 10 Dec 2012, 22:46

Klon wrote:
Minardi Man wrote:
BaconLettuceNinja wrote:Or this might suffice...

Pigs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwU8QeW4ofU

Stop being stuck in the past: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FKoplr-c1k

Damnit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmyzFsYEdco

Zetec · Post by **Zetec** » 10 Dec 2012, 23:26

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZomwVcGt0LE

Sutil asking his sponsors for the overdue money for his 2013 ForceIndia seat.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 11 Dec 2012, 00:42

How I feel about Sutil at Force India. I'm totally fine with Sutil at any other team, I'm just sick of him in that team. :lol:

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 11 Dec 2012, 00:46

I would be ok with Senna at FI if he was replacing Di Resta, otherwise OH HELL NAW

Kobayashi is so much better

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 11 Dec 2012, 07:58

Faustus wrote:
kostas22 wrote:Romain Grosjean had a seat fitting at Enstone today. He didn't say anything about having a confirmed contract for next year, but why would they bother giving him a seat fitting if he isn't going to be part of the team next season? Could mean he's being demoted to test-driver but I don't really see that happening.

In itself, it doesn't necessarily mean anything but you're right, he's probably staying.
By the way, Bruno Senna had a seat fitting at Force India last wednesday.

Can anybody clarify if these were toilet seats?

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 11 Dec 2012, 10:46

I'm still trying to figure why ppl is so disrespectful for Bruno... What I'm trying to say is I think he deserves another chance! I mean, you can't really judge him on the results of his first outing with Hispania; a terrible car, learning the circuits and a team with no F1 knowledge all at once; then he steps in the Renault with no track time in the car (and still he doesn't a terrible job at it; not stellar but not really bad), and then in Williams he was the most regular out of the two drivers and would have finished ahead of Maldonado if it wasn't for Spain, despite missing 30% of practice time to make way for Bottas... I'll be more than happy if he signs for Force India, TBH

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 11 Dec 2012, 11:02

I think Bruno had his chance. The real point to me is that he hasn't shown any signs of a latent speed in him. When he stayed clear of trouble he was solid but rather anonymous and was only capable of scoring minor points. Despite being 6-6 in the race he was out-qualified more often than not and lack the ultimate pace I believed he could have. I was wrong and he clearly seems just average. In my opinion there are better drivers out there who deserve more of a chance, like Alguersuari, Kobayashi and Valsecchi, for instance.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 11 Dec 2012, 11:08

DanielPT wrote:I think Bruno had his chance. The real point to me is that he hasn't shown any signs of a latent speed in him. When he stayed clear of trouble he was solid but rather anonymous and was only capable of scoring minor points. Despite being 6-6 in the race he was out-qualified more often than not and lack the ultimate pace I believed he could have. I was wrong and he clearly seems just average. In my opinion there are better drivers out there who deserve more of a chance, like Alguersuari, Kobayashi and Valsecchi, for instance.

This. So much. It doesn't matter how consistent and reliable he was, he let somebody doing a fantastic impression of Andrea de Cesaris beat him - Maldonado could've easily scored about twice as many points as he actually did, but even then Senna was still behind him. And Senna wasn't that reliable anyway, he made 2 errors in qualifying - Spain where he went off and out in Q1, and Singapore where he hit the wall at turn 19 in Q1 and Q2, IIRC. He's done absolutely nothing to justify his position in the face of his complete lack of pace.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 11 Dec 2012, 11:19

Aerond wrote:I'm still trying to figure why ppl is so disrespectful for Bruno... What I'm trying to say is I think he deserves another chance! I mean, you can't really judge him on the results of his first outing with Hispania; a terrible car, learning the circuits and a team with no F1 knowledge all at once; then he steps in the Renault with no track time in the car (and still he doesn't a terrible job at it; not stellar but not really bad), and then in Williams he was the most regular out of the two drivers and would have finished ahead of Maldonado if it wasn't for Spain, despite missing 30% of practice time to make way for Bottas... I'll be more than happy if he signs for Force India, TBH

To be quite blunt, he's not quick enough. Hes kinda like a mini Nick Heidfeld if you like, a solid driver who will never top a time sheet, but will always pick up points (except Heidfeld could pick up podiums quite easily; Senna picks up 8th quite easily), while Maldonado is a very quick driver, who by the seasons end had reined in some of his crashy instincts (Singapore is a case in point). Just my two cents

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 11 Dec 2012, 12:12

And I feel he gets by on the strength of his (or his uncle's) name all too regularly!

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 11 Dec 2012, 12:55

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
DanielPT wrote:I think Bruno had his chance. The real point to me is that he hasn't shown any signs of a latent speed in him. When he stayed clear of trouble he was solid but rather anonymous and was only capable of scoring minor points. Despite being 6-6 in the race he was out-qualified more often than not and lack the ultimate pace I believed he could have. I was wrong and he clearly seems just average. In my opinion there are better drivers out there who deserve more of a chance, like Alguersuari, Kobayashi and Valsecchi, for instance.

This. So much. It doesn't matter how consistent and reliable he was, he let somebody doing a fantastic impression of Andrea de Cesaris beat him - Maldonado could've easily scored about twice as many points as he actually did, but even then Senna was still behind him. And Senna wasn't that reliable anyway, he made 2 errors in qualifying - Spain where he went off and out in Q1, and Singapore where he hit the wall at turn 19 in Q1 and Q2, IIRC. He's done absolutely nothing to justify his position in the face of his complete lack of pace.

I'd like to see Bruno go back to racing Le Mans cars. Pair him up with Anthony Davidson in Toyota or something.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 11 Dec 2012, 13:13

Not that Senna is bad, but that there is lots of better drivers out there. Like Valsecchi, Buemi, Alguersuari, and Kobayashi. But the team was already going downwards anyways when they let Hulkenburg go to Sauber, of all teams. (It might work, it might not.)

Speaking of Valsecchi, I find it both amusing and unsettling that he isn't considered for any of the seats :roll:

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 11 Dec 2012, 13:20

JeremyMcClean wrote:Not that Senna is bad, but that there is lots of better drivers out there. Like Valsecchi, Buemi, Alguersuari, and Kobayashi. But the team was already going downwards anyways when they let Hulkenburg go to Sauber, of all teams. (It might work, it might not.)

Speaking of Valsecchi, I find it both amusing and unsettling that he isn't considered for any of the seats

It may be a small proof that GP2 isn't what it used to be. Before Valsecchi, the previous GP2 winner who didn't got into F1 was Pantano and that was precisely because he had already been on F1. I know a few seats are still available, but Valsecchi doesn't look like having a shot at any of them.

girry · Post by **girry** » 11 Dec 2012, 14:46

Valsecchi had 7 years of experience in GP2-speed cars (counts hell of a lot there) and only found success this season...thus no wonder he's not considered. And experience counts hell of a lot in GP2 due to the very limited practice time they get, but that experience doesn't have much relevance in F1 whatsoever...

Same goes for Razia really.

Meatwad · Post by **Meatwad** » 11 Dec 2012, 14:59

giraurd wrote:Valsecchi had 7 years of experience in GP2-speed cars (counts hell of a lot there) and only found success this season...thus no wonder he's not considered. And experience counts hell of a lot in GP2 due to the very limited practice time they get, but that experience doesn't have much relevance in F1 whatsoever...

Same goes for Razia really.

Valsecchi is still only 25 and Razia 23 so it's not like they are too old to make an F1 debut or have too few competitive years left. Valsecchi is over three years younger than Senna and more than five years younger than Damon Hill was in his debut season. Who knows, they could adapt to F1 more easily than to GP2 (Kobayashi is a good example of this).

But clearly the main reason that Valsecchi hasn't even been considered by any team is that he doesn't have as much money as some other drivers. And I don't believe Razia has as much as some have claimed, either. I'm sure even Chanoch Nissany would get a seat if he brought 34 million dollars.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 11 Dec 2012, 16:49

takagi_for_the_win wrote:
Aerond wrote:I'm still trying to figure why ppl is so disrespectful for Bruno... What I'm trying to say is I think he deserves another chance! I mean, you can't really judge him on the results of his first outing with Hispania; a terrible car, learning the circuits and a team with no F1 knowledge all at once; then he steps in the Renault with no track time in the car (and still he doesn't a terrible job at it; not stellar but not really bad), and then in Williams he was the most regular out of the two drivers and would have finished ahead of Maldonado if it wasn't for Spain, despite missing 30% of practice time to make way for Bottas... I'll be more than happy if he signs for Force India, TBH

To be quite blunt, he's not quick enough. Hes kinda like a mini Nick Heidfeld if you like, a solid driver who will never top a time sheet, but will always pick up points (except Heidfeld could pick up podiums quite easily; Senna picks up 8th quite easily), while Maldonado is a very quick driver, who by the seasons end had reined in some of his crashy instincts (Singapore is a case in point). Just my two cents

I'd say he's a bankrupt man's Nick Heidfeld myself. And it's not like he's that solid - there's been plenty of times when he was absolutlely hopeless in the race while Maldonado was a very solid points contender - Valencia, Singapore, and Barcelona come readily to mind. Plus, he has those two glaring errors in qualifying - when he went off in Q1 at Barcelona, and when he hit the wall in Q1 and Q2 in Singapore. There is no reason to hire him except for his money, and even then you have to weigh that against the points you will lose by taking him on, through his sheer lack of pace.

Meatwad wrote:
giraurd wrote:Valsecchi had 7 years of experience in GP2-speed cars (counts hell of a lot there) and only found success this season...thus no wonder he's not considered. And experience counts hell of a lot in GP2 due to the very limited practice time they get, but that experience doesn't have much relevance in F1 whatsoever...

Same goes for Razia really.

Valsecchi is still only 25 and Razia 23 so it's not like they are too old to make an F1 debut or have too few competitive years left. Valsecchi is over three years younger than Senna and more than five years younger than Damon Hill was in his debut season. Who knows, they could adapt to F1 more easily than to GP2 (Kobayashi is a good example of this).

But clearly the main reason that Valsecchi hasn't even been considered by any team is that he doesn't have as much money as some other drivers. And I don't believe Razia has as much as some have claimed, either. I'm sure even Chanoch Nissany would get a seat if he brought 34 million dollars.

I think you're missing the point. Valsecchi's been in GP2 for 5 years now. If he was anything special, he'd already be in F1 by now. Same with Razia. They were 8th and 12th in the championship in 2011. Of the drivers ahead of them; Grosjean and Pic went to F1; Luca Filippi tried to switch to IndyCars, failed, went back to GP2 and won his first race back; Jules Bianchi and Sam Bird switched to Formula Renault 3.5; Christian Vietoris went to DTM (also note he was 7th, ahead of Valsecchi despite missing two meetings); and nobody really wanted Dani Clos apart from HRT. The rest (Giedo van der Garde, Stefano Colletti, and Marcus Ericsson) were beaten by Valsecchi and Razia, and handily at that, but considering the only one I've heard of is van der Garde, and that that was only because he was the centre of a legal fight between Spyker and Super Aguri way back when, does not exactly speak well of them.

Neither of them would've come close to the title had Bianchi and Bird stayed, or if Robin Frijns or Antonio Felix da Costa were there. Those drivers are the ones that will make it to F1, and that is because they have competed for and won titles on their own merit. There is nothing talent-wise to suggest a team should hire Valsecchi or Razia over one of the drivers I just mentioned, or a driver with F1 experience, such as Sutil, Alguersuari, or Kobayashi.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 11 Dec 2012, 17:14

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:I think you're missing the point. Valsecchi's been in GP2 for 5 years now. If he was anything special, he'd already be in F1 by now. Same with Razia. They were 8th and 12th in the championship in 2011. Of the drivers ahead of them; Grosjean and Pic went to F1; Luca Filippi tried to switch to IndyCars, failed, went back to GP2 and won his first race back; Jules Bianchi and Sam Bird switched to Formula Renault 3.5; Christian Vietoris went to DTM (also note he was 7th, ahead of Valsecchi despite missing two meetings); and nobody really wanted Dani Clos apart from HRT. The rest (Giedo van der Garde, Stefano Colletti, and Marcus Ericsson) were beaten by Valsecchi and Razia, and handily at that, but considering the only one I've heard of is van der Garde, and that that was only because he was the centre of a legal fight between Spyker and Super Aguri way back when, does not exactly speak well of them.

Neither of them would've come close to the title had Bianchi and Bird stayed, or if Robin Frijns or Antonio Felix da Costa were there. Those drivers are the ones that will make it to F1, and that is because they have competed for and won titles on their own merit. There is nothing talent-wise to suggest a team should hire Valsecchi or Razia over one of the drivers I just mentioned, or a driver with F1 experience, such as Sutil, Alguersuari, or Kobayashi.

I would usually take your stand, but then it comes to my mind the fact that Pastor Maldonado honed his skills for 4 years in GP2 before joining Williams and ending the team's winless streak. It was 8 years in which guys like Webber, Rosberg, Barrichello and Wurz all failed to do (Not that Wurz is a winner, but I will go by the latest trend on the forum). I mean, that is special. You may say it was within special circumstances that surrounded the tyres and I say ok, it was. But he won in a dry race against one of the top drivers of this era and to emphasize that just look where is team-mate was. Exactly, his team-mate was nowhere! Also, as Valsecchi, Maldonado led the GP2 field back then when everyone who finished ahead of him the year before had left and, from those ahead of him in 2009, no one can say that they've won a race in F1. Valsecchi proved he could win the GP2 title. For that he deserves a chance. As for Razia, I think he needs another year with another team in GP2 just to prove this season was not a fluke.

Oh, and yes, I am eating humble pie in relation to things I've defended in the past in this forum...

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 11 Dec 2012, 17:59

DanielPT wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:I think you're missing the point. Valsecchi's been in GP2 for 5 years now. If he was anything special, he'd already be in F1 by now. Same with Razia. They were 8th and 12th in the championship in 2011. Of the drivers ahead of them; Grosjean and Pic went to F1; Luca Filippi tried to switch to IndyCars, failed, went back to GP2 and won his first race back; Jules Bianchi and Sam Bird switched to Formula Renault 3.5; Christian Vietoris went to DTM (also note he was 7th, ahead of Valsecchi despite missing two meetings); and nobody really wanted Dani Clos apart from HRT. The rest (Giedo van der Garde, Stefano Colletti, and Marcus Ericsson) were beaten by Valsecchi and Razia, and handily at that, but considering the only one I've heard of is van der Garde, and that that was only because he was the centre of a legal fight between Spyker and Super Aguri way back when, does not exactly speak well of them.

Neither of them would've come close to the title had Bianchi and Bird stayed, or if Robin Frijns or Antonio Felix da Costa were there. Those drivers are the ones that will make it to F1, and that is because they have competed for and won titles on their own merit. There is nothing talent-wise to suggest a team should hire Valsecchi or Razia over one of the drivers I just mentioned, or a driver with F1 experience, such as Sutil, Alguersuari, or Kobayashi.

I would usually take your stand, but then it comes to my mind the fact that Pastor Maldonado honed his skills for 4 years in GP2 before joining Williams and ending the team's winless streak. It was 8 years in which guys like Webber, Rosberg, Barrichello and Wurz all failed to do (Not that Wurz is a winner, but I will go by the latest trend on the forum). I mean, that is special. You may say it was within special circumstances that surrounded the tyres and I say ok, it was. But he won in a dry race against one of the top drivers of this era and to emphasize that just look where is team-mate was. Exactly, his team-mate was nowhere! Also, as Valsecchi, Maldonado led the GP2 field back then when everyone who finished ahead of him the year before had left and, from those ahead of him in 2009, no one can say that they've won a race in F1. Valsecchi proved he could win the GP2 title. For that he deserves a chance. As for Razia, I think he needs another year with another team in GP2 just to prove this season was not a fluke.

Oh, and yes, I am eating humble pie in relation to things I've defended in the past in this forum...

That's a good point, actually. To which I say, you can't really make a good judgement all the time based on a driver's results in junior series. I mean, look at drivers like Kamui Kobayashi and James Hunt; neither of them were impressive in junior formulae, but they did much better in F1. Whereas Jan Magnussen was infamously hailed as the next Ayrton Senna, and scored a grand total of... 1 point. So you infer from those results as best you can, and if a driver has spent a number of years not really improving, not really in contention for the title, and then wins the title the same year everybody ahead of him leaves, then I think you can be forgiven for thinking that he won mostly because the drivers who beat him previously weren't there to beat him again. After all, everybody labelled Maldonado a pay driver and little more, and he didn't do much to displace that label in 2011, but he's proven himself as a quick, if rather wild, driver this year that I'd say deserves a seat on merit - this coming from one of his biggest detractors when he debuted.

The thing that really kills Valsecchi and Razia's ability for me is that you had Bianchi and Bird move not to F1, not to DTM or WEC or Le Mans, but to Formula Renault 3.5. Another junior series. And given that FR3.5 and GP2 are (or should be) on the same level, the last step before F1, it makes you wonder what was wrong with GP2. And then you see that Bianchi and Bird were both beaten by Frijns. And that da Costa won 4 out of the last 5 races and nearly beat Bird despite missing 30% of the season. And suddenly it looks like FR3.5 is a hotbed of talent, especially considering that the GP2 champion had 4 years of experience at this level before the season began, and that the FR3.5 champion had none.

Backmarker · Post by **Backmarker** » 11 Dec 2012, 18:22

If Davide Valsecchi or Luiz Razia were able to find seats in Formula One they would not be out of their depth; they're reasonably able drivers. They might surprise and perform above expectations. That said, they're never going to be world champions, barring massive strokes of luck, unlike other previous GP2 champions who do have the potential to be world champions, with experience and the right machinery (I am thinking of Hulkenberg and Grosjean). Both Valsecchi and Razia were able to use the experience of having driven on most of the Asian tracks before, whereas their competitors largely hadn't. If they had been competing next season, when there will be more drivers with experience of Asia (Calado and Nasr especially), they would have struggled - especially as even as a pair they weren't exactly dominant.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 12 Dec 2012, 00:51

Well the example of Maldonado: he was fast in his first season of GP2, he was just terribly inconsistent, but matured over the years. In F1 he seems to follow the same upward curve. Someone Valsecchi didn't improve enough on that side. I find it quite funny that someone like Van Der Garde is still unable to consistantly perform after all those years.
These are drivers that could be good for F1, but they'll need a lot of time, and currently, no F1 team is going to give them that much time. One thing a modern driver needs to have is the ability to adapt quickly to a situation. We live in the era of impatience.

Anyway, Frijns should be signed immediatly. Also sad how everybody so suickly forgot about poor Bertrand Baguette, who i think is massively underrated, and Belgian.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 12 Dec 2012, 07:37

This wrote:Anyway, Frijns should be signed immediatly. Also sad how everybody so suickly forgot about poor Bertrand Baguette, who i think is massively underrated, and Belgian.

And he's got one of the most awesomest names I've ever heard, though I would have ended up nicknaming him "Bertie Bread" or something. :lol:

Svenko Wankerov · Post by **Svenko Wankerov** » 12 Dec 2012, 08:17

DIREsta has a great career in comedy ahead of him:

"The end of my season wasn't great," said di Resta. "We had mechanical issues, a chassis change, and ultimately the style of my driving did not suit for the last few races. Overall, I had ups and downs, although there were still some very big positives.

What's his driving style? Slow?

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 12 Dec 2012, 08:22

Svenko Wankerov wrote:DIREsta has a great career in comedy ahead of him:

"The end of my season wasn't great," said di Resta. "We had mechanical issues, a chassis change, and ultimately the style of my driving did not suit for the last few races. Overall, I had ups and downs, although there were still some very big positives.

What's his driving style? Slow?

For a second, I thought it was something from the F1 Slate :lol:

Post by **Londoner** » 12 Dec 2012, 08:24

Svenko Wankerov wrote:DIREsta has a great career in comedy ahead of him:

"The end of my season wasn't great," said di Resta. "We had mechanical issues, a chassis change, and ultimately the style of my driving did not suit for the last few races. Overall, I had ups and downs, although there were still some very big positives.

What's his driving style? Slow?

Funnily enough, Bunsen Jetton has a 'smooth' driving style just like Paul, and I don't remember him struggling during the last few races. :roll:

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 12 Dec 2012, 10:52

Well, Di Resta was in favourable light after 2011 in spite of being beaten by his team-mate but if Sutil is coming back, this time he must beat him otherwise it will end his F1 top team prospects. Not that they are looking good as he came into F1 as a Mercedes future driver and when a seat became vacant over there they preferred to go and snatch Hamilton from McLaren instead of taking the risk on Di Resta. That can't be good no matter the disproportionate size of the ego.

Backmarker · Post by **Backmarker** » 12 Dec 2012, 13:37

DanielPT wrote:Not that they are looking good as he came into F1 as a Mercedes future driver and when a seat became vacant over there they preferred to go and snatch Hamilton from McLaren instead of taking the risk on Di Resta. That can't be good no matter the disproportionate size of the ego.

Who in their right mind would choose Paul di Resta if they thought they had a chance to get Lewis Hamilton? Even Paul di Resta wouldn't choose Paul di Resta over Hamilton. If he had missed out against Pastor Maldonado or Vitaly Petrov then he would have good reason to be aggrieved. Though I do wonder if he's jealous that Hulkenberg has managed to get a seat at Sauber over him?

Benetton · Post by **Benetton** » 12 Dec 2012, 15:52

Backmarker wrote:Even Paul di Resta wouldn't choose Paul di Resta over Hamilton.

This is totally untrue. Paul di Resta would choose Paul di Resta over Lewis Hamilton anyday of the week.

I dislike di Resta, and any other driver for that matter, who is always ready to blame the team or problems first (read: like above). Fact is that in motorsports you must cope and really make the best out of circumstances (tires, chassis, engine etc.). I'm sure Hulkenberg had some niggling problems at times as well during the later part of the season. However, Hulkenberg doesn't find excuses and lets his talking be on the track, which is the complete opposite of di Resta it seems. No wonder di Resta is unliked by his team, I certainly wouldn't like him if he is like that to work with.

I have a feeling 2013 will be di Resta's last in Formula One unless he looks himself in the mirror and says to himself: "Jeez bloke your a bloody cock aren't you?"

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 12 Dec 2012, 16:09

Benetton wrote:I have a feeling 2013 will be di Resta's last in Formula One unless he looks himself in the mirror and says to himself: "Jeez bloke your a bloody cock aren't you?"

I wonder... for a while now I've had this feeling that true Champions (the Schumachers and Hakkinens and Ayrton Sennas of this world) are totally uncapable of self-deprecation. They are so sure they are the absolutely the best, ever, that any evidence otherwise is automatically dismissed as caused by some external cause.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 12 Dec 2012, 16:11

CarlosFerreira wrote:
Benetton wrote:I have a feeling 2013 will be di Resta's last in Formula One unless he looks himself in the mirror and says to himself: "Jeez bloke your a bloody cock aren't you?"

I wonder... for a while now I've had this feeling that true Champions (the Schumachers and Hakkinens and Ayrton Sennas of this world) are totally uncapable of self-deprecation. They are so sure they are the absolutely the best, ever, that any evidence otherwise is automatically dismissed as caused by some external cause.

Yes, but at least they do a good job of living up to their egos, which di Resta has only been able to do occasionally. And that's not good enough to become a top driver.

PS: I'm glad you're back here along with your vintage Monteiro avatar :lol:

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 12 Dec 2012, 17:05

Backmarker wrote:
DanielPT wrote:Not that they are looking good as he came into F1 as a Mercedes future driver and when a seat became vacant over there they preferred to go and snatch Hamilton from McLaren instead of taking the risk on Di Resta. That can't be good no matter the disproportionate size of the ego.

Who in their right mind would choose Paul di Resta if they thought they had a chance to get Lewis Hamilton? Even Paul di Resta wouldn't choose Paul di Resta over Hamilton. If he had missed out against Pastor Maldonado or Vitaly Petrov then he would have good reason to be aggrieved. Though I do wonder if he's jealous that Hulkenberg has managed to get a seat at Sauber over him?

I knew someone would say something like that!

Well, Mercedes went to a great length (read money) to bring Hamilton to their team and, having invested in much of Di Resta's career, they had him there in Force India for when the time came. Hamilton is mighty fast but he also has his problems. My point is that the fact that they decided to invest heavily in the driver front means that they don't believe to have a driver fast enough and capable of leading a team. Like Red Bull, Ferrari and even McLaren.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 12 Dec 2012, 17:13

Phoenix wrote:PS: I'm glad you're back here along with your vintage Monteiro avatar

You know time has passed you by when Tiago Monteiro's F1 career has become a vintage item... :cry: