Ponderbox

girry · Post by **girry** » 29 Dec 2012, 21:13

Monday test idea sounds reasonable....maybe the concept could be further improved into a 'testing championship' - teams would get extra financial award after the season according to the test drivers' fastest laptimes during those Monday sessions. In hope of the extra sums of money, the teams would maybe actually try to make good laptimes there instead of trundling countless of far-from-limit laps around the circuit with heavy fuel, and even try to hire some promising drivers for the job instead of cash cows from Venezuela..?

Post by **mario** » 29 Dec 2012, 22:09

Bleu wrote:I would actually prefer few Monday test sessions during the season. Should be easily doable when there's at least two weeks between races and the race is at permanent circuit. Probably 5 that kind of sessions. One during early flyaways (Sepang or Bahrain), three in European season (maybe Barcelona, Germany and Monza) and then one in late season (probably Abu Dhabi). One car per team, only drivers who didn't participate any session during the weekend are allowed.

That idea has been raised quite a few times in the past, particularly given that the MotoGP series has found an extended race weekend format works quite well. Luca Di Montezemolo has been particularly vocal about the idea, since, and he has a point, the teams have already paid the bulk of the transport costs to get to the venue in the first place, not to mention that the marshals have already been paid for the race weekend (since any test session effectively has to have the same number of marshals and medics as a regular race weekend), so extending the race weekend by one more day would be relatively cheap compared to setting up a separate test.
The alternative that has also been raised would be making Thursday's a test session, since most of the teams normally arrive at the circuit on a Thursday, and increasingly on a Wednesday, before the race weekend in order to set the garage and cars up as soon as possible. Again, since the teams are already at the circuit, as are the necessary staff, it'd be easier and cheaper than setting up a separate test venue.

In the end, I expect that there will be a move in the near future for such a deal to occur, especially since, to a certain extent, the teams already have a similar scheme running with the Young Driver tests they have been holding in recent years after the Abu Dhabi GP. OK, there might be an issue with the contracts that FOM have for the race weekends (Silverstone mentioned that they had a contract dispute with FOM over their planned Young Driver test), although that shouldn't be too hard to resolve in the end.
The more likely problem is that there are an increasingly large number of back to back races in the early part of the season, which would make it harder for the teams to wrap up their test programs and be ready in time for the next weekend - I imagine, though, that were the teams to agree cost savings on testing, they might be able to scrap the summer shut down period (which only offers marginal cost savings anyway, from the reports that have been put out in the press) and use that to spread the races out a bit more.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 29 Dec 2012, 22:39

[Warning - PMMF related post, no relation to real F1]
I wish Flaschenpost hadn't disappeared. I miss a little team like BMS Scuderia Italia Dallara being world championship contenders.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 29 Dec 2012, 22:40

kostas22 wrote:[Warning - PMMF related post, no relation to real F1]
I wish Flaschenpost hadn't disappeared. I miss a little team like BMS Scuderia Italia Dallara being world championship contenders.

He left after the first race of 1990, Lotus had a good result for once. Plus that was a very good series.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 29 Dec 2012, 22:44

redbulljack14 wrote:
kostas22 wrote:[Warning - PMMF related post, no relation to real F1]
I wish Flaschenpost hadn't disappeared. I miss a little team like BMS Scuderia Italia Dallara being world championship contenders.

He left after the first race of 1990, Lotus had a good result for once. Plus that was a very good series.

It was kind of a fairytale. After spending real life 1988 barely qualifying that pile of garbage EuroBrun, Stefano Modena wins the first race of 1989 for a team that did exactly the same thing as EuroBrun the year before, but with Alex Caffi at the wheel instead.

But then of course, he stabbed me in the back to go to Williams, the b*****d. Was hoping to see Nannini finally get a WDC.

Post by **Ataxia** » 29 Dec 2012, 22:59

kostas22 wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:
kostas22 wrote:[Warning - PMMF related post, no relation to real F1]
I wish Flaschenpost hadn't disappeared. I miss a little team like BMS Scuderia Italia Dallara being world championship contenders.

He left after the first race of 1990, Lotus had a good result for once. Plus that was a very good series.

It was kind of a fairytale. After spending real life 1988 barely qualifying that pile of garbage EuroBrun, Stefano Modena wins the first race of 1989 for a team that did exactly the same thing as EuroBrun the year before, but with Alex Caffi at the wheel instead.

But then of course, he stabbed me in the back to go to Williams, the b*****d. Was hoping to see Nannini finally get a WDC.

And I'd just stumbled across a real gem at Tyrrell. Oh, who was it now...oh yeah! It was a Frenchman by name of Jean Alesi.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 29 Dec 2012, 23:49

kostas22 wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:
kostas22 wrote:[Warning - PMMF related post, no relation to real F1]
I wish Flaschenpost hadn't disappeared. I miss a little team like BMS Scuderia Italia Dallara being world championship contenders.

He left after the first race of 1990, Lotus had a good result for once. Plus that was a very good series.

It was kind of a fairytale. After spending real life 1988 barely qualifying that pile of garbage EuroBrun, Stefano Modena wins the first race of 1989 for a team that did exactly the same thing as EuroBrun the year before, but with Alex Caffi at the wheel instead.

But then of course, he stabbed me in the back to go to Williams, the b*****d. Was hoping to see Nannini finally get a WDC.

It's a shame my Onyx team couldn't emulate that success! I was looking forward to seeing how my tie up with Lola and Honda engines would go in 1990, things were really promising... Ah, good times.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 30 Dec 2012, 00:50

I miss that series, including that support series when I managed to get Mark Skaife to 2nd.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 30 Dec 2012, 01:56

Well, no wonder he dissapeared, we were constantly complaining that he was running the series way too fast...

Post by **Londoner** » 30 Dec 2012, 02:00

I think this post may explain his disappearance...

Gerudo Dragon · Post by **Gerudo Dragon** » 30 Dec 2012, 03:53

He left just as Zakspeed were looking strong

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 30 Dec 2012, 06:55

When I saw your name became longer Kostas/Stramala, I am bathplugging surprised. :shock:

Why you did that?

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 30 Dec 2012, 10:07

FMecha wrote:When I saw your name became longer Kostas/Stramala, I am bathplugging surprised. Why you did that?

More importantly, How did you do that?

Post by **Nuppiz** » 30 Dec 2012, 10:21

pasta_maldonado wrote:
FMecha wrote:When I saw your name became longer Kostas/Stramala, I am bathplugging surprised. Why you did that?

More importantly, How did you do that?

Quite likely Kostas sent an e-mail to the admins, and as Jamie happened to get online to post about the season review podcast, he had the opportunity to change it.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 30 Dec 2012, 13:56

Stramala [kostas22] wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:
kostas22 wrote:[Warning - PMMF related post, no relation to real F1]
I wish Flaschenpost hadn't disappeared. I miss a little team like BMS Scuderia Italia Dallara being world championship contenders.

He left after the first race of 1990, Lotus had a good result for once. Plus that was a very good series.

It was kind of a fairytale. After spending real life 1988 barely qualifying that pile of garbage EuroBrun, Stefano Modena wins the first race of 1989 for a team that did exactly the same thing as EuroBrun the year before, but with Alex Caffi at the wheel instead.

But then of course, he stabbed me in the back to go to Williams, the b*****d. Was hoping to see Nannini finally get a WDC.

Hey, if Nannini hadn't stabbed me in the back to join you in the first place, I'd never have considered Modena. Besides, don't act like Boutsen wasn't going to take everyone to the cleaners that year.

Gerudo Dragon · Post by **Gerudo Dragon** » 30 Dec 2012, 14:01

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:Don't act like Pirro wasn't going to take everyone to the cleaners that year.

Fixed

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 30 Dec 2012, 16:08

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Stramala [kostas22] wrote:It was kind of a fairytale. After spending real life 1988 barely qualifying that pile of garbage EuroBrun, Stefano Modena wins the first race of 1989 for a team that did exactly the same thing as EuroBrun the year before, but with Alex Caffi at the wheel instead.

But then of course, he stabbed me in the back to go to Williams, the b*****d. Was hoping to see Nannini finally get a WDC.

Hey, if Nannini hadn't stabbed me in the back to join you in the first place, I'd never have considered Modena. Besides, don't act like Boutsen wasn't going to take everyone to the cleaners that year.

Modena stabbed me in the back before that! I offered him a new contract and he decided to wait on an offer from Williams. So I blame YOU for corrupting his mind!

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 30 Dec 2012, 18:01

Stramala [kostas22] wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Stramala [kostas22] wrote:It was kind of a fairytale. After spending real life 1988 barely qualifying that pile of garbage EuroBrun, Stefano Modena wins the first race of 1989 for a team that did exactly the same thing as EuroBrun the year before, but with Alex Caffi at the wheel instead.

But then of course, he stabbed me in the back to go to Williams, the b*****d. Was hoping to see Nannini finally get a WDC.

Hey, if Nannini hadn't stabbed me in the back to join you in the first place, I'd never have considered Modena. Besides, don't act like Boutsen wasn't going to take everyone to the cleaners that year.

Modena stabbed me in the back before that! I offered him a new contract and he decided to wait on an offer from Williams. So I blame YOU for corrupting his mind!

What!? I never considered hiring him until after Nannini signed for you! ... though I do admit it made for some of the best shenanigans in the PMMF to date, combined with that hilarious bidding war for Senna. :lol:

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 30 Dec 2012, 18:28

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Stramala [kostas22] wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:Hey, if Nannini hadn't stabbed me in the back to join you in the first place, I'd never have considered Modena. Besides, don't act like Boutsen wasn't going to take everyone to the cleaners that year.

Modena stabbed me in the back before that! I offered him a new contract and he decided to wait on an offer from Williams. So I blame YOU for corrupting his mind!

What!? I never considered hiring him until after Nannini signed for you! ... though I do admit it made for some of the best shenanigans in the PMMF to date, combined with that hilarious bidding war for Senna.

That reached about $15 million for one season's salary didn't it? I think only Schumacher has ever earned more than that in one season of F1 before? And maybe Hamilton will just about break that amount now too...

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 30 Dec 2012, 18:31

Stramala [kostas22] wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:What!? I never considered hiring him until after Nannini signed for you! ... though I do admit it made for some of the best shenanigans in the PMMF to date, combined with that hilarious bidding war for Senna.

That reached about $15 million for one season's salary didn't it? I think only Schumacher has ever earned more than that in one season of F1 before? And maybe Hamilton will just about break that amount now too...

I was looking forward to eurobrun's McLaren falling flat on its face, because Senna had taken 80% of his budget :lol:

Post by **Londoner** » 30 Dec 2012, 18:41

pasta_maldonado wrote:
Stramala [kostas22] wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:What!? I never considered hiring him until after Nannini signed for you! ... though I do admit it made for some of the best shenanigans in the PMMF to date, combined with that hilarious bidding war for Senna.

That reached about $15 million for one season's salary didn't it? I think only Schumacher has ever earned more than that in one season of F1 before? And maybe Hamilton will just about break that amount now too...

I was looking forward to eurobrun's McLaren falling flat on its face, because Senna had taken 80% of his budget

That reminds me, what will happen when someone wants to sign Gilles Villeneuve from his team in Pi's 1977 championship? :lol:

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 30 Dec 2012, 18:44

East Londoner wrote:
pasta_maldonado wrote:
Stramala [kostas22] wrote:That reached about $15 million for one season's salary didn't it? I think only Schumacher has ever earned more than that in one season of F1 before? And maybe Hamilton will just about break that amount now too...

I was looking forward to eurobrun's McLaren falling flat on its face, because Senna had taken 80% of his budget

That reminds me, what will happen when someone wants to sign Gilles Villeneuve from his team in Pi's 1977 championship?

Pi said he'd use the Flaschenpost contract method. Which means, HE'S COMING HOME! It doesn't matter how much eurobrun whines this time, logic will dictate his destination!

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 30 Dec 2012, 19:17

Stramala [kostas22] wrote:
East Londoner wrote:
pasta_maldonado wrote:I was looking forward to eurobrun's McLaren falling flat on its face, because Senna had taken 80% of his budget

That reminds me, what will happen when someone wants to sign Gilles Villeneuve from his team in Pi's 1977 championship?

Pi said he'd use the Flaschenpost contract method. Which means, HE'S COMING HOME! It doesn't matter how much eurobrun whines this time, logic will dictate his destination!

I can see The odds being:
0-5 -stays at Ensign
6-100 - Moves to a Ferrari

And then the number being 3.... :lol:

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 30 Dec 2012, 19:31

pasta_maldonado wrote:
Stramala [kostas22] wrote:
East Londoner wrote:That reminds me, what will happen when someone wants to sign Gilles Villeneuve from his team in Pi's 1977 championship?

Pi said he'd use the Flaschenpost contract method. Which means, HE'S COMING HOME! It doesn't matter how much eurobrun whines this time, logic will dictate his destination!

I can see The odds being:
0-5 -stays at Ensign
6-100 - Moves to a Ferrari

And then the number being 3....

I can definitely see that happening. Just like when I managed to sign Nannini against all odds :lol:

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 30 Dec 2012, 22:46

Post by **Nuppiz** » 30 Dec 2012, 22:48

eurobrun wrote:Thanks for letting me know I'm not welcome here, I always suspected that but now I have proof. Goodbye

Who? What? Where? I don't recall anyone saying you're not welcome here.

Post by **Londoner** » 30 Dec 2012, 23:03

What the hell...

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 30 Dec 2012, 23:32

eurobrun wrote:Thanks for letting me know I'm not welcome here, I always suspected that but now I have proof. Goodbye

This is F1 rejects: if somebody makes jokes about you, that means they slighlty like you

It doesn't sound logic, but things are often like that in life too, so don't worry.
At times it might look like people are against you, but if they were really against you, someone neutral would have noticed that and probably stood up against it. I can't image
the wiser people of us letting such things happen. We do not know you in person, so you should not take anything in here personally.
We all have bad sides, but these bad sides is what makes us F1 rejects. We don't judge about other rejects. In fact, we should ban Mario because he's too damn intelligent :lol:

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 30 Dec 2012, 23:37

eurobrun wrote:Thanks for letting me know I'm not welcome here, I always suspected that but now I have proof. Goodbye

Wait what. How the hell did you guess that?

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 30 Dec 2012, 23:42

I just want to say that I have changed my mind on leaving completely. I still won't be here that much in the future but I will at least continue of my virtual teams and drivers. I have just got a fair bit of other shite on my mind right now

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 31 Dec 2012, 06:47

eurobrun wrote:I just want to say that I have changed my mind on leaving completely. I still won't be here that much in the future but I will at least continue of my virtual teams and drivers. I have just got a fair bit of other shite on my mind right now

[f1slateKimi]Yes.[/f1slateKimi]
It's alright, eurobrun: we all have those periods in our lives, when all hell breaks loose...

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 01 Jan 2013, 22:17

Getting the discussion back onto more positive content...

Pitpass may be smoke-blowing here but I sincerely hope they're right: they say Bernie wants to do a deal to secure an official F1 vodka, and Chase is the favoured brand.

Why do I want them to be right? Why should Chase have more right to be the official F1 vodka than the rest? Think what it was called when it was first produced...

Post by **Ataxia** » 01 Jan 2013, 22:42

dinizintheoven wrote:Getting the discussion back onto more positive content...

Pitpass may be smoke-blowing here but I sincerely hope they're right: they say Bernie wants to do a deal to secure an official F1 vodka, and Chase is the favoured brand.

Why do I want them to be right? Why should Chase have more right to be the official F1 vodka than the rest? Think what it was called when it was first produced...

I'm guessing this relates to a brand of nice crisps as well...

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 01 Jan 2013, 22:53

Got it in one. Your prize is... a bag of crisps!

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 01 Jan 2013, 23:11

Ataxia [BacLettNinj] wrote:
dinizintheoven wrote:Getting the discussion back onto more positive content...

Pitpass may be smoke-blowing here but I sincerely hope they're right: they say Bernie wants to do a deal to secure an official F1 vodka, and Chase is the favoured brand.

Why do I want them to be right? Why should Chase have more right to be the official F1 vodka than the rest? Think what it was called when it was first produced...

I'm guessing this relates to a brand of nice crisps as well...

dinizintheoven wrote:Got it in one. Your prize is... a bag of crisps!

Lays? Pringles? Skips?

Post by **Ataxia** » 01 Jan 2013, 23:26

dr-baker wrote:
dinizintheoven wrote:Got it in one. Your prize is... a bag of crisps!

Lays? Pringles? Skips?

I was hoping for McCoy's...anyway, do Skips count as crisps?

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 02 Jan 2013, 11:49

dinizintheoven wrote:Getting the discussion back onto more positive content...

Pitpass may be smoke-blowing here but I sincerely hope they're right: they say Bernie wants to do a deal to secure an official F1 vodka, and Chase is the favoured brand.

Why do I want them to be right? Why should Chase have more right to be the official F1 vodka than the rest? Think what it was called when it was first produced...

Would this mean that no other vodka could sponsor an F1 team? If so, this is stupid, because it will scare other brands away to other forms of motorsport... let us not forget what happened to UPS once FedEx sponsored CART...

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 04 Jan 2013, 02:33

Cynon wrote:
dinizintheoven wrote:Getting the discussion back onto more positive content...

Pitpass may be smoke-blowing here but I sincerely hope they're right: they say Bernie wants to do a deal to secure an official F1 vodka, and Chase is the favoured brand.

Why do I want them to be right? Why should Chase have more right to be the official F1 vodka than the rest? Think what it was called when it was first produced...

Would this mean that no other vodka could sponsor an F1 team? If so, this is stupid, because it will scare other brands away to other forms of motorsport... let us not forget what happened to UPS once FedEx sponsored CART...

UPS jumped to NASCAR and Dale Jarrett drove the UPS car.

IdeFan · Post by **IdeFan** » 04 Jan 2013, 08:39

Onxy Wrecked wrote:
Cynon wrote:
dinizintheoven wrote:Getting the discussion back onto more positive content...

Pitpass may be smoke-blowing here but I sincerely hope they're right: they say Bernie wants to do a deal to secure an official F1 vodka, and Chase is the favoured brand.

Why do I want them to be right? Why should Chase have more right to be the official F1 vodka than the rest? Think what it was called when it was first produced...

Would this mean that no other vodka could sponsor an F1 team? If so, this is stupid, because it will scare other brands away to other forms of motorsport... let us not forget what happened to UPS once FedEx sponsored CART...

UPS jumped to NASCAR and Dale Jarrett drove the UPS car.

Motorola ended up suing NASCAR because they were forced to take logos off one of their cars when Nextel/Sprint got the title sponsorship. In the end I think they made a deal where Motorola ended up technically advertising one of their other products (I think it might have been their radio streaming) instead of mobile phones. Of course the logo was exactly the same but with a small subscript saying "radio" or something.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 07 Jan 2013, 21:01

I know it's said on this site that Francois Hesnault was the original tester of the onboard camera in 1985, but how come there are onboard videos from before then such as this?