rFAF1 1980: SEASON OVER

[pasta_maldonado]

Not sure what test I'm going in but getting a large body drag upgrade will do fine

Ferrari already applied for an upgrade, before Christmas.

Alfa, McLaren, Renault, JLD, Ligier, Merzario, Ferrari, Shadow, Brabham, Restov, Osella, Tyrrell, Audi, RAM, Rebaque, Williams, Ensign, Lotus, and Wolf have upgraded.

Oh, and I'm taking Arrows away from Pamphlet, he hasn't showed up in ages. Arrows is available for anyone to take over, or one of the fictional or smaller teams can merge with Arrows.

If thats the case, can Patrese test with Restov as well then?

Yes, he can test, but who he drives for is down to the new owner of Arrows

Pycku - I've seen your bid, I'll wait just a little longer to see if anyone else in interested. Not because I don't want you to have the team, because the announcmeent's only been up for 15 minutes and I want to make this fair for everyone

[Londoner]

Yeah, Wolf will be testing alongside RAM. Davey Clarke and Bruno Giacomelli will be there.

[pasta_maldonado]

Congratulations, pycku - you are the new owner of Arrows!

Team name: Warseteiner Arrows Racing (GBR)
Chassis : Arrows A2B
Engine: Ford Cosworth - Normally-Aspirated.
Drivers: Keiran Sutherland (GBR) - Results: AUS: 9th RSA:DNQ BRA: 9th
Riccardo Patrese (ITA) - Results: AUS: Ret RSA:Ret BRA:DNQ

Keiran Sutherland is fictional, and was managed by Pamphlet, but seen as he has left the forums, he is up for anyone to take on. You can negiotiate with any of the manufacturers to see if they will give you engines, or you can stick with the DFVs.

Politics are a part of rFAF1. There are 4 groups you can apply to join.

Association des Constructeurs de Formule Une (ACF) (Ligier , Osella, Renault, Williams, JLD, Restov Racing and McLaren)
Union of Independent Teams (UIT) (RAM, Ensign)
Constructor's Assembly (CA) (Tyrrell, Brabham) NOT if member of ACF or UIT.
Sit on the Fence Association (SOFA) (Merzario, Shadow)


Ford - AdrianSutil
Lamborghini - Stramala
TAG (Porsche and Audi) - JJMonty/Wizzie
Honda - Phoenix
Hart - This
Ferrari - JeremyMcLean
Alfa Romeo - Klon
Renault - BlindCaveSalamanader
Talbot - shinji

Paul Ricard Test - Teams Present: Brabham (1 day)

1. Nelson Piquet (BRA) 1:42.114 +00:00.000
2. Larry Perkins (AUS) 1:42.324 +00:00.210

Osterreichring Test - Teams Present: Audi (1 day)

1. Jochen Mass (GER) 1:33.490 67 Laps

Mass only managed 67 laps, when his engine failed. The team couldn't repair it in time before sunset.

The rest of the tests will follow soon.

Remember, if you haven't organised a test, you can, but remember it is one test per 3 races. If you test now you will not be allowed to test for 3 races. If you would like to test, please look at the test schedule a few posts above, and see if you would like to test with any other teams. Be warned - there are restrictions to some tests imposed by the teams!

TURBOS TO BE BANNED?

FISA, F1's governing body, have announced that turbo engines may be banned for 1981. FISA president, Jean-Luc Knight, has descrived them as 'dangerous and ridiculous', with plans to return to a normally-aspirated only formula allegedly already drawn up behind the scenes

It is up to the political organisations to now stand up to FISA to protect their interests of their member teams.

I told you there'd be ploitics, didn't I? Oh yeeah

[pycku]

I'll take Sutherland as manager, if it is allowed. I'm not firing anyone at the moment, so both drivers will stay.

As for upgrades and test: We'd like small top speed and small mass reduction ones, which we would like to test if there's any test left with other teams.

As for organisations - I'm not quite sure whats the point and advantages to participate in any, yet, so we will stay out of them for the moment.

As for Engines - DFV is not bad at all for 1980, but we are looking for a turbo charged one in 1981, any offers? (in case turbo engines remain)


PS What an irony, I'm managing Arrows in pi's series, too

[Salamander]

Renault welcomes the new management of Arrows into the sport, and would like to offer a deal to run their popular turbo engines, which just happen to be powering 2 of the 3 leading teams at the moment. We would be prepared to supply engines as soon as the midway point of this season, and will offer a 10% discount and Renault endorsement if Arrows applies to join the ACF.

This 10% discount and Renault endorsement will also apply to any Renault-powered team seeking to join the ACF, or who is already a part of the organisation.

Speaking of turbos...

Sage hits back at turbo ban
Following FISA's announcment that a ban for turbos may take hold for 1981, Renault team boss Jean Sage has hit out at the proposed ban, deeming it 'catastrophic for Formula 1', as well as citing the number of engine suppliers that have begun developing turbo engines over the last year.

"This is absolutely unacceptable. FISA cannot just take such unilateral action without consulting the teams first. A ban on turbos would be catastrophic for Formula 1 - just look at all the turbo programs that have been established in the last year, since the concept of a turbocharged F1 car was pioneered by Renault. Honda, Ferrari, Lamborghini, TAG, Ford, even Hart. That is a lot of money that will be completely wasted for most of these firms - it may even bankrupt Hart. Some of the newcomers may even leave as a result. Not to mention, Formula 1 is, or at least, is supposed to be, the pinnacle of motorsport. How can we claim that is the case when we have several companies working to make major developments in turbo technology, and just as it begins to take off, FISA slam their fist down and say no? I cannot stress enough how ridiculous this is. Monsieur Knight claims that turbos are dangerous and ridicuous, but I see no evidence of this. Certainly, they allow the cars to go faster, but injuries and deaths were always a threat, I do not see how turbos enlarge these risks significantly enough to warrant a ban. While I personally would like to see Renault as a part of Formula 1 for as long as possible, and will fight to make this the case, I am afraid that if this ban goes through, we will have to re-evaluate our position, both as a constructor and engine supplier, in Formula 1."

[RonDenisDeletraz]

I would like to join the Sit on the Fence Association as I couldn't give a crap about all these team unions

[Nessafox]

UIT thinks Turbo engines aren't the problem, but the companies that produce them. We should ban works engines! Engines should be available in equal cost and equal quality to all teams.

Arrows are welcome to run Hart engines from 1981 on, this will give Hart more chances to develop their engine. We hope Arrows will not sell their soul to the big wallets of the ACF.

[takagi_for_the_win]

... We hope Arrows will not sell their soul to the big wallets of the ACF.

Given that one of the first members of the ACF happens to be the newest team in F1, resorting to running year-old machinery, thats a bit harsh.

[pycku]

As manager of Arrows, I already announced I'll not change anything, at least not for the first races. Which definitely mean I'm not switching to other engine manufacturer this season (this will cost us money, too). But, if turbo engines remain for 1981, we definitely will use this option. We really agree with Hart opinion, that all teams must have equal clauses in their contracts with engine suppliers, but it is politics after all.


Actually, can someone tell me what is our budget that we can spend?

[pasta_maldonado]

As manager of Arrows, I already announced I'll not change anything, at least not for the first races. Which definitely mean I'm not switching to other engine manufacturer this season (this will cost us money, too). But, if turbo engines remain for 1981, we definitely will use this option. We really agree with Hart opinion, that all teams must have equal clauses in their contracts with engine suppliers, but it is politics after all.


Actually, can someone tell me what is our budget that we can spend?

There is no money system in this championship

[Aerospeed]

As manager of Arrows, I already announced I'll not change anything, at least not for the first races. Which definitely mean I'm not switching to other engine manufacturer this season (this will cost us money, too). But, if turbo engines remain for 1981, we definitely will use this option. We really agree with Hart opinion, that all teams must have equal clauses in their contracts with engine suppliers, but it is politics after all.


Actually, can someone tell me what is our budget that we can spend?

There is no money system in this championship

Which is good, because I'd be royally screwed if there was.

[Nessafox]

... We hope Arrows will not sell their soul to the big wallets of the ACF.

Given that one of the first members of the ACF happens to be the newest team in F1, resorting to running year-old machinery, thats a bit harsh.

I have a political task here. And that is protecting the communi... i mean independent teams, by randomly blaming big teams of various things, just in the hope that it turns out to be true! (sounds like politics!)

[shinji]

Ligier, on behalf of the ACF, would first of all like to support Edward Restov in his spirited defence of our organisation against the simply untrue allegations, which have sadly been thrown at us since our foundation, that ACF serves only to benefit wealthy manufacturer-based teams. This is, as we have explained before, simply and blatantly untrue, and we resent the false connotations unfortunately attached to the union.

Secondly, we would like to put forward a potential ACF policy on the proposed legislation on turbo engines (obviously the official line will only be taken with the support of a majority of teams within the ACF, put to a democratic vote).

Proposed ACF policy on turbos

We believe that the relentless pursuit of engineering progress is one of the foremost component parts of Grand Prix racing, certainly from the point of view of the teams, which we, obviously, are primarily concerned with. Currently in F1 we are blessed to have in our midst some of the greatest minds in engineering, and we see no reason to stifle them through the overuse of legislation. That is why we are strongly against the possibly banning of turbo engines recently put forward by FISA through their president, Mr. Luc-Knight.

While we agree that safety must be a concern in every facet of Formula One, it is our belief that there is no substantial evidence to show that turbos make a can any more dangerous than a more traditional, normally aspirated car. Furthermore, ACF believe that banning turbos would be a 'slippery slope'; it starts with something which may seem relatively benign like banning a certain type of engine, but it is perfectly plausible for FISA to extend such powers to introduce a series devoid of creativity, inspiration and engineering genius. ACF would like to avoid such an outcome, and we would encourage non-member teams to support us in this issue.

[pasta_maldonado]

Paul Ricard Test - Teams Present: Ligier, Renault, McLaren, Restov, JLD (ACF Only) (1 day)

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1.  Jacques Laffite   Ligier-Talbot   1:42.104   +00:00.000
2.  Edward Kevin   Ligier-Talbot   1:42.110   +00:00.005
3. Carlos Reutemann   Renault   1:43.386  +00:01.282
4. Jean-Pierre Jabouille   Renault   1:43.498  +00:01.393
5. Riccardo Patrese   Restov-Lada   1:43.630  +00:01.526
6. Guilliame Gauthier   McLaren-Ford  1:43.787  +00:01.683
7. Gianfranco Brancatelli   Restov-Lada   1:43.943  +00:01.839
8. Derek Daly   McLaren-Ford   1:44.656  +00:02.552
9. Michael Bleekemolen   JLD-Porsche   1:44.791  +00:02.687
10. Rupert Keegan   JLD-Porsche   1:45.036  +00:02.932
11. Derek Warwick   McLaren-Ford   1:45.052  +00:02.948 
12. Valentino Nicchi   Restov-Lada   1:45.105  +00:03.001
13. Pierre Depault   JLD-Porsche   1:45.314  +00:03.210
14. Beppe Gabbiani  Restov-Lada   1:45.639   +00:03.535

All teams used turbocharged engines

[pasta_maldonado]

Monza Test - Teams Present: Merzario, Ferrari (1 day)

1. Emerson Fittipaldi (Merzario-Lamborghini) 1:38.240 +00:00.000
2. Gilles Villeneuve (Ferrari) 1:38.606 +00:00.366
3. Mario Andretti (Merzario-Lamborghini) 1:38.710 +00:00.470
3. Keke Rosberg (Ferrari) 1:39.208 +00:00.968
4. Simone Guidetti (Merzario-Lamborghini) 1:39.365 +00:01.125
5. Rene Arnoux (Ferrari) 1:39.760 +00:01.520

All teams used turbocharged engines

Brands Hatch Test - Teams Present: RAM-Hart, Wolf (1day)

1. Jan Lammers (RAM-Hart) 1:18.636 +00:00.000
2. Davey Clarke (Wolf-Renault) 1:18.725 +00:00.089
3. Nigel Mansell (RAM-Hart) 1:19.035 +00:00.399
4. Bruno Giacomelli (Wolf-Renault) 1:19.577 +00:00.941

That concludes all outstanding tests, if you still want to test please confirm so now.

The 1980 Belgian Grand Prix will take place on Friday 25th January, 8:30 GMT. If you want to make a driver change, please announce it before Thursday. This, are RAM going to be running Hart engines?

[pycku]

That concludes all outstanding tests, if you still want to test please confirm so now.
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I said Arrows are to test their upgrades, hopefully with other teams. So we wish to test, too

[pasta_maldonado]

That concludes all outstanding tests, if you still want to test please confirm so now.
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I said Arrows are to test their upgrades, hopefully with other teams. So we wish to test, too

At the moment, Arrows haven't applied for upgrades.

Here are the upgrade areas:
Increase engine torque
Increase engine top speed
Increase engine reliability
Decrease the random element of reliability (May make your car more or less likely to retire. It's a gamble)
Decrease chassis mass
Decrease overall body drag
Increase front wing downforce
Decrease front wing drag
Increase rear wing downforce
Decrease rear wing drag

You can ask for a large upgrade in any area - but it is the least likely to be successful.
You can ask for a medium upgrade in any area - roughly middle ground in terms of successfulness.
You can ask for a small upgrade in any area - most likely to be successful.

But be warned - thee is a chance there may be a detrimental effect to your car! For each upgrade, there's a 5% chance it will make your car worse.

As for testing, if you would like to test, please say what track you would like to test at and what drivers will be driving.

[FMecha]

Tyrrell, on behalf of Constructors' Assembly, will vote AGAINST any turbo bans for time being. It is way too early for now. Says the guy who owns the team that, in real life, doesn't like turbos...

pycku, if you want to drop Sutherland, I offer you American driver Paul Anderson, father of F2RWRS driver Dave.

[Nessafox]

The 1980 Belgian Grand Prix will take place on Friday 25th January, 8:30 GMT. If you want to make a driver change, please announce it before Thursday. This, are RAM going to be running Hart engines?

Hart-engines are going to debut on the British GP

[pycku]

We would like small mass reduction and small top speed upgrade which are to be tested at Brands Hatch. Both our drivers will be involved in the process.

[pasta_maldonado]

We would like small mass reduction and small top speed upgrade which are to be tested at Brands Hatch. Both our drivers will be involved in the process.

Only one upgrade is allowed every three races

[pycku]

We would like small mass reduction and small top speed upgrade which are to be tested at Brands Hatch. Both our drivers will be involved in the process.

Only one upgrade is allowed every three races

Sorry, then medium mass reduction for Arrows Test program stays the same.

[pasta_maldonado]

We would like small mass reduction and small top speed upgrade which are to be tested at Brands Hatch. Both our drivers will be involved in the process.

Only one upgrade is allowed every three races

Sorry, then medium mass reduction for Arrows Test program stays the same.

I'll get round to that this evening.

Remember, race tonight at 8:00 UTC!

[RonDenisDeletraz]

How long will the race take? because I might be able to get to the second half

[Aerond]

Cool; this and then Macau Pre-Qualifying

[Phoenix]

Williams, by the way, is frontally opposed to the turbo engines ban proposal.

[pycku]

On the other hand, is there an organization of engine manufacturers? If yes, it would be interesting to see what is their opinion.

[DemocalypseNow]

I think you can assume that, if they have any influence in the decision, Lamborgini votes in favour of a turbo ban. That way they can run their V12 engine competitively...

[pasta_maldonado]

How long will the race take? because I might be able to get to the second half

42 lap race with each lap taking roughly 2 minutes and 17 seconds means it probably will be a good hour and a half

[pasta_maldonado]

0-5 - Oops
6-55 - Exactly what you was looking for
56-100 - No change

67!- Unfortunately, Arrows didn't get that upgrade

Brands Harch test - Teams Present:Arrows (One day)
1. Riccardo Patrese 1:21.000 +00:00.000
2. Kieran Sutherland 1:21.541. +00:00.541

[pasta_maldonado]

Chat live now! http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/#1980

[Aerond]

The link is broken

[DemocalypseNow]

The link is broken

The chatroom hashtag is #1980. I'm sure you can figure out what to do. Because I have no idea how to copy across a valid link from mibbit...

[pycku]

erm, i'm new here, so i dont know what do to

[DemocalypseNow]

erm, i'm new here, so i dont know what do to

http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/

Type in a nickname and put #1980 in the channel id field.

[Gerudo Dragon]

Belgian GP Commentary:

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20:31   pycku   just as i opened that beer
20:31   salamander   well that sucks
20:32   pycku   at least it was not his fault
20:32   pycku   but the engine
20:32   YourHostPasta   Brancatelli's rejoined, 57 seconds down, but Lammers couldn't get going again
20:32   YourHostPasta   He was involved in the Lauuda/Perkins crash
20:32   Valentino_Nicchi   i know this is off topic but which version of donington is better the national version with the chicane or the GP version with the hairpin??
20:32   YourHostPasta   And we're left with 23 runners, the last of which is Rupert Keegan
20:33   salamander   depends on your tastes really
20:33   YourHostPasta   Who's pitted to replace his front wing, and rejoins in last place
20:33   salamander   personally i prefer the gp version
20:33   YourHostPasta   Andretti still th
20:33   Stramala   depends what cars are in said race
20:33   Stramala   if you are talking about Prost GP I'd stick it on the GP circuit
20:33   YourHostPasta   Fittipaldi's 15th and behind Henotn's Shadow
20:34   Stramala   the national is cool for touring cars
20:34   YourHostPasta   But is passed by Villeneuve's Ferrair into La Source
20:34   salamander   how's gauthier doing?
20:34   YourHostPasta   Out front, Jody Scheckter -----00.521------->Alan Jones
20:35   YourHostPasta   gauthier's worked his way up to 11th
20:35   pycku   which lap is it?
20:35   pycku   3rd?
20:35   YourHostPasta   And closing on Arnoux's lacklustre Ferrari in 10th
20:35   YourHostPasta   Lap 4 now
20:35   salamander   excellent
20:35   salamander   where'd he start?
20:35   YourHostPasta   Scheckter's maintaining the gap out front
20:36   YourHostPasta   Gauthier started 18th, IIRC
20:36   RupertKeegan   Well, at least I'm still running
20:36   YourHostPasta   Piquet in 3rd's 5 seocnds back, with harvey Jones 4th
20:36   Valentino_Nicchi   pasta i just tried changing the max no. of laps qualifiers can do in the .gdb and it worked, thanks
20:36   YourHostPasta   Kevin and Jabouille side by side!
20:37   YourHostPasta   kevin takes the place to move up to 6th!
20:37   salamander   let's go jabouille!
20:37   salamander   oh goddammit
20:37   YourHostPasta   Jabouille is under attack from Andretti and McAllister now
20:37   YourHostPasta   Andretti's doing a superb job of holding off the fiesty McAllister, last year's winner
20:38   YourHostPasta   Harvey Jones, championship leader, closes on Piquet
20:38   salamander   doesn't seem like that upgrade did much good... is reutemann going anywhere?
20:38   YourHostPasta   MCALLISTER'S STOPPED!
20:38   YourHostPasta   ENGINE FAILURE!
20:38   salamander   damn
20:38   YourHostPasta   Andretti passes Jabouille!
20:38   YourHostPasta   Wham, bam!
20:39   salamander   those honda engines are even more fragile than the renaults
20:39   Stramala   yeahh
20:39   salamander   FFFFUUU
20:39   YourHostPasta   Jabouille's coming back...
20:39   YourHostPasta   But Andretti shutss the door
20:39   pycku   where is Sutherland?
20:39   YourHostPasta   Nigel Mansell is the last man out on track, with smoke beginning to seep out from under the engine cover
20:40   YourHostPasta   And he stops on the run down to La Source
20:40   YourHostPasta   Reutemann is 14th, Sutherland is 19th
20:40   pycku   thanks
20:41   salamander   well at least reutemann's doing stuff
20:41   YourHostPasta   Out front, Jones has halved the gap to Scheckter
20:41   YourHostPasta   Alan, that is
20:41   YourHostPasta   Harvey's still stuck behind Piquet
20:41   Valentino_Nicchi   scheckter will be getting worried after his teammate's engine blowup
20:41   YourHostPasta   Oh, and Keegan is now last, in 21st position and 1:44 behind Jody
20:42   YourHostPasta   I'd be getting worried in that Williams
20:43   YourHostPasta   But still, Alan can't get close enough to Sccheckter
20:43   YourHostPasta   Reutemann is busy fending off Villeneuve
20:43   RupertKeegan   Still in the race, that's good
20:44   YourHostPasta   The race has begun to settle down now, 8 laps gone
20:44   pycku   so now it is up to strategies and reliability
20:44   YourHostPasta   Scheckter leads, half a second ahead of Alan
20:44   YourHostPasta   Piquet's 3rd, 7 seconds back, with Harvey a seocnd back
20:45   YourHostPasta   Laffie 5th, Kevin 6th, Andretti 7th, Jabouille 8th
20:45   YourHostPasta   Arnoux 9th, Gauthier 10th, Gabbiani 11th, Henton 12th
20:46   YourHostPasta   Surer 13th, Reutemann 14th, Villeneuve 15th, Daly 16th, Fittipaldi 17th, Takagi 18th
20:46   YourHostPasta   Sutherland 19th, Brancatelli 20th, Keegan 21st
20:47   YourHostPasta   The rain clouds aren't out today, but I've discovered a system where rain is incorporated into rFactor
20:47   Valentino_Nicchi   part of me is hoping that one of the restov boys does something incredibly dumb again so that nicchi can get another chance
20:47   YourHostPasta   The British GP at Donington is likely to be rainy.
20:48   YourHostPasta   Keegan is 2 minutes down now, the boys up front will be lapping him soon
20:48   pycku   as we bulgarians say: at least he is in the sex
20:49   Valentino_Nicchi   pasta can you give me a link to this rain plugin?? it sounds interesting
20:49   RupertKeegan   I don't care, to be honest, I'm going to the Penthouse just afterwards anyway
20:51   YourHostPasta   Scheckter can see Keegan now
20:51   YourHostPasta   This lap or next lap, and it will spice things up
20:51   YourHostPasta   Valentino_Nicchi, search google for RFE weather plugin. It's very complicated, it requires track and mod optimisation. Its not plug in and play
20:51   YourHostPasta   Right, Scheckter's behind Keegan
20:51   YourHostPasta   BUT HE'S SLOWING!!!!!
20:51   YourHostPasta   OH DEAR!!!
20:51   YourHostPasta   HIS GEARBOX HAS JAMMED!
20:51   YourHostPasta   HES STUCK IN 3RD!
20:51   YourHostPasta   HE PULLS INTO THE PITS AND RETIRES!
20:51   YourHostPasta   This has changed the facce of the race
20:53   RupertKeegan   You're not lapping me yet, leaders!
20:53   YourHostPasta   Daly's McLaren has also stopped
20:53   YourHostPasta   Alan laps Keegan
20:53   YourHostPasta   Alan Jones leads Piquet by 4 seconds, from Harvey Jones
20:53   YourHostPasta   This promotes Andretti to 6th, and some points!
20:53   YourHostPasta   But Jabouille is within Villeneuve striking distance
20:53   YourHostPasta   Piquet is stuck behind Keegan
20:53   YourHostPasta   Can Harvey pass him?
20:54   YourHostPasta   No, Piquet laps Keegan into T1
20:54   YourHostPasta   Jones finally gets by!
20:54   YourHostPasta   Jsut to clarify, 19 runners, 13 laps doen
20:54   YourHostPasta   *down
20:55   YourHostPasta   Reutemann is 12th now, and still behind Henton
20:55   YourHostPasta   He's shook of Villeneuve
20:55   YourHostPasta   The pair are behind the Restov of gabbiani, in 10th
20:56   Valentino_Nicchi   come on beppe...
20:56   YourHostPasta   Reutemann has a look into La Source
20:56   Valentino_Nicchi   he'll be hoping to redeem himself after kyalami
20:56   YourHostPasta   Gabbiani pulls away a little
20:56   YourHostPasta   Henotn's in the slipstream, but cant maximise
20:56   RupertKeegan   OK, got to go guys
20:56   Valentino_Nicchi   bye
20:57   YourHostPasta   bye!
20:57   YourHostPasta   The Tyrrell of Hiroshi Takagi is in the race, running 16th, Andretti better watch out
20:57   salamander   bye
20:58   Stramala   if that stronzo pulls any funny business I swear I'll march over to Takagi's garage and kick ten colours of shite out the little bastard
20:58      *** RupertKeegan quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
20:58   YourHostPasta   Harvey Jones has closed on Piquet...
20:58   YourHostPasta   I don't think he'll be making a move just yet
20:59   YourHostPasta   ACTION!
20:59   pycku   btw
20:59   pycku   why do you want to ban turbos
20:59   pycku   as there is no budget limit it seems worthless
20:59   YourHostPasta   henotn and Gabbiani side by side, Henton gets through, but now Reutemann is all over the back of Gabbiani
21:00   salamander   i think the turbo ban is just something to spice up the series
21:00   YourHostPasta   Reutemann looks into the bus stop...But Gabbiani shuts the door
21:00   salamander   and it makes sense given the creation of team unions
21:01   YourHostPasta   The turbo ban was nether a serious proposal, it was an excersise to see how well the teams clubbed together
21:01   YourHostPasta   And the answer was, they didn't .
21:01   YourHostPasta   Fittipaldi passes Surer for 13th
21:02   YourHostPasta   Out front, Lotus leads Brabham leads Ligier leads Ligier
21:02   YourHostPasta   Renault power leads Renault power leads Renauult power leads Talbot power leads Talbot power
21:02   YourHostPasta   Reutemann has passed Gabbinai!
21:02   salamander   not a bad day for french engines
21:03   salamander   finally
21:03   YourHostPasta   Beppe made a mistake into the Bus Stop, and was punished harshly
21:03   YourHostPasta   Alan Jones could be on for his first win of 1980
21:03   YourHostPasta   And would make 4 different winners from 4, again
21:04   Valentino_Nicchi   although that would make lotus the 1st team to win 2 races
21:04   YourHostPasta   Andretti's now stuck behind Keegan, which could allow Jabouille to pass
21:05   YourHostPasta   Alan's first win came at the 1979 US GP at Watkins Glenn, in a crazy race that saw both Williams relinquish the lead and a last lap battle with the wo Renaults
21:05   salamander   don't you mean second?
21:06   YourHostPasta   GrGreat race that was, incidentally Harvey Jones tripped over a JLD late in the race from 4th
21:07   YourHostPasta   And yes Salamander, I mean second
21:08   YourHostPasta   Emerson Fittipaldi finished 9th in the US GP last year, albeit last on the road and a lap down, and know he's behind Gabbiani
21:08   YourHostPasta   *now
21:08   YourHostPasta   Henotn's Shadow gives up the ghost
21:08   YourHostPasta   Fiitpaldi's through!
21:09   YourHostPasta   Surer and Villeneive squabble just behind!
21:09   YourHostPasta   It's still a French engine 1-2-3-4-5 out front
21:10   salamander   and if jabouille can get past andretti, that'd be a French engine 1-2-3-4-5-6
21:10   YourHostPasta   Talking of French, Gauhtier is now 9th
21:11   salamander   how far behind 8th is he?
21:11   YourHostPasta   This is the 21st lap, half distance
21:11   YourHostPasta   Gauthier is 5 seconds behind Arnoux's Ferrari
21:11   salamander   not bad
21:11   YourHostPasta   But Keegan's in the way
21:12   pycku   and sutherland?
21:12   salamander   oh
21:12   YourHostPasta   Sutherland is 16th, just gone a lap down
21:13   YourHostPasta   And around 25 seconds behind Takagi in 15th
21:13   YourHostPasta   OHOHOH!
21:13   YourHostPasta   THAT'S A LOTUS STOPPED!
21:14   salamander   oh crap
21:14   YourHostPasta   IT'S HARVEY JONES!
21:14   salamander   nooo
21:14   Valentino_Nicchi   ooh dear
21:14   salamander   my renault engine 1-2-3 D:
21:14   YourHostPasta   THE CHAMPIONSHIP LEADER OUT FROM A SOLID 4TH!
21:14   salamander   1-2-4 then
21:14   salamander   whatever
21:14   YourHostPasta   Jabouille is promoted to 6th, however
21:14   salamander   yeah i know
21:15   YourHostPasta   And laffite is now on the podium
21:16   Stramala   how is Andretti doing now?
21:16   YourHostPasta   salamander, you wont be pleased now. At all.
21:16   Stramala   and Fittapalling
21:16   salamander   let me guess: jabouilles out, engine failure
21:16   YourHostPasta   Jabouille has just retired with engine failure, and Harvey's retirement promoted Andretti to 5th
21:16   salamander   GAH
21:16   YourHostPasta   Fittipaldi's now 9th
21:16   YourHostPasta   But smoking, literally
21:17   salamander   where's reutemann
21:17   YourHostPasta   He'll be out within 2 laps
21:17   YourHostPasta   Reutemann is 8th
21:18   Stramala   boooo
21:18   Stramala   possible double points down the can
21:19   YourHostPasta   This is interesting, championship-wise
21:19   YourHostPasta   And double points are down the can now, Andretti's just retired with brake failure
21:19   YourHostPasta   
21:19   salamander   reutemann 7th though
21:19   salamander   come on carlos
21:19   salamander   lets get something out of this
21:20   YourHostPasta   Kevin's Talbot engine's had enough, promoting Reutemann to 6th and one point
21:20   salamander   yeeesss
21:20   YourHostPasta   Jones leads from Piquet, Laffite 3rd, Arnoux 4th, Gauthier 5th, Reutemann 6th]
21:21   salamander   oh hell yes
21:21   salamander   gauthier in the points o/
21:21   salamander   is he keeping up with arnoux?
21:21   YourHostPasta   lap 39 now, just 3 to go...
21:22   YourHostPasta   Gabbiani has pulled into the pits to retire, Villeneuve's suspension went, pitting him into the barriers
21:22   pycku   where is sutherland?
21:22   pycku   14-5 ?
21:22   YourHostPasta   he's 9 seconds adrift of Arnoux in 4th
21:22   YourHostPasta   Sutherland is 9th of 11 runners
21:22   YourHostPasta   Keegan goes 2 laps down
21:23   YourHostPasta   Looks like attrition is still a major part of F1
21:23   pycku   well at least in top 10
21:23   Valentino_Nicchi   11 runners? i thought we were in f1, not life gp!
21:23   YourHostPasta   I was kinda hoping it'do down a litte, but the situation's still there
21:24   YourHostPasta   Valentino_Nicchi : Lowest finishers we've had was 9, at last year's US GP
21:24   salamander   well, we're all running turbos before they're anything approaching reliable, i imagine that isn't helping matters
21:24   YourHostPasta   Today's race proves a lesson - Reliability upgrades are needed!
21:25   YourHostPasta   2 of the six NA cars in the race are still running
21:25   Stramala   GAAAHHHH
21:25   Stramala   did Fittipaldi DNF in the end
21:25   YourHostPasta   Only 3 Renault turbos are still running, from how many at the start?
21:25   YourHostPasta   Yep, I'm afraid Fittipaldi did DNF
21:26   YourHostPasta   Oh, and Keegan's retired with brake failure, leaving 10 runners
21:26   YourHostPasta   Then again, there has been quite a few accidents in tis race
21:26   pycku   damn he was 11th
21:26   pycku   doesnt matter for us
21:27   YourHostPasta   The accident at the start took out 4 people
21:27   salamander   YourHostPasta, at most there'd be 10 renault engines on the grid
21:27   YourHostPasta   Last lap!
21:27   YourHostPasta   4 are still running, Salamander
21:28   YourHostPasta   I dont think it helps there are many new engines, which start off unreliable
21:28   YourHostPasta   If anything, the Renault is the most relaible !!
21:28   salamander   
21:29   YourHostPasta   Alan Jones can see Reutemann, but he'll avoid being lapped through Radillion as this is the last lap!
21:29   YourHostPasta   He's played it cool from the start
21:29   YourHostPasta   Alan Jones comes round to win the Belgian GP!
21:29   YourHostPasta   Piquet'll come home 3rd
21:29   YourHostPasta   *2nd
21:29   YourHostPasta   3rd is Laffite's Ligier
21:29   YourHostPasta   Arnoux is 4th
21:30   YourHostPasta   Gauthier holds on to take 5th
21:30   YourHostPasta   Reutemann somehow scores points in 6th
21:30   YourHostPasta   Surer finishes for Audi, a rare sight
21:30   YourHostPasta   Takagi 8th
21:30   salamander   18th and 25th to 5th and 6th
21:30   YourHostPasta   Suther;and 9th
21:30   salamander   thats not bad at all
21:30   YourHostPasta   Brancatelli 10th
21:30   pycku   well 9th is not bad but it could be better
21:30   YourHostPasta   Keegan will be classified in 11th
21:31   YourHostPasta   Would somone mind copying and pasting this chat for me please?
21:31   Valentino_Nicchi   i'll do it
21:32   YourHostPasta   In the championship, Harvey Jones and Alan Jones are tied on 17 points
21:32   Aerond   F1RWRS Pre-Qualifying in a few mins in the #f1rejects room
21:32   Aerond   Live broadcast http://www.ustream.tv/channel/aerond
21:32   pycku   i'm not participating so i wont go there most likely
21:32   pycku   so bye bye guys
21:33   pycku   have a nice weekend
21:33   YourHostPasta   See ya!
21:33   Valentino_Nicchi   bye
21:34   YourHostPasta   And Perkins is 3rd with 13, Piquet 4th with 12
21:34   YourHostPasta   I hope you enjoyed what admittedly was a sligtly boring race
21:34   Valentino_Nicchi   looks like a battle between the jones
21:35   YourHostPasta   Thank you for turning up, I hope you didnt mind my typos and I'll see you in the F1RWRS chatroom!
21:35   YourHostPasta   Oh, and DOTR goes to Reutemann, ROTR for Lamborghini engiens
21:35      *** pycku quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
21:36   salamander   
21:37   Valentino_Nicchi   hmm..not sure if i should run prost gp tommorow or after f1rwrs
21:37   YourHostPasta   I'd say tomorrow amte
21:37   YourHostPasta   *mate
21:38   YourHostPasta   I'll be in the F1RWS chatroom, so if you've anything to say to me, head over there!
21:38   YourHostPasta   ---CHAT CLOSED-----

[Nuppiz]

Damn typical for the live chats being on when I'm not home. First ProstGP and now this.

Well, unless something major happens I should stll easily make it to the F1RWRS race chat.

[pasta_maldonado]

Race report will come later today, but I've re-analysed the start crash footage, and guess who's responsible for utter muppetry and has provoked the banhammer?

[TomWazzleshaw]

Race report will come later today, but I've re-analysed the start crash footage, and guess who's responsible for utter muppetry and has provoked the banhammer?

Alberto Cara?

[DemocalypseNow]

Race report will come later today, but I've re-analysed the start crash footage, and guess who's responsible for utter muppetry and has provoked the banhammer?

Alberto Cara?

Benoit Voeckler!