Your Top 10 Drivers

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 14 Dec 2009, 13:02

An idea raised by eagleash in another thread, it so happens I have exams for the next couple of weeks and so no class. No class = lots and lots of free time.

So give your top 10 drivers of all time, based on whatever you think qualifies a driver as 'great'. I'll count them and we'll have a definitve list whenver there's been a fair amount of votes. This is not really a thread for debate (though if it takes that turn that's OK), please at least try to remain serious.

1. Michael Schumacher
2. Alain Prost
3. Ayrton Senna
4. Juan Manuel Fangio
5. Jim Clark
6. Alberto Ascari
7. Jackie Stewart
8. Niki Lauda
9. Mika Hakkinen
10. Nelson Piquet Sr.

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 14 Dec 2009, 13:05

shinji wrote:An idea raised by eagleash in another thread, it so happens I have exams for the next couple of weeks and so no class. No class = lots and lots of free time.

So give your top 10 drivers of all time, based on whatever you think qualifies a driver as 'great'. I'll count them and we'll have a definitve list whenver there's been a fair amount of votes. This is not really a thread for debate (though if it takes that turn that's OK), please at least try to remain serious.

1. Michael Schumacher
2. Alain Prost
3. Ayrton Senna
4. Juan Manuel Fangio
5. Jim Clark
6. Alberto Ascari
7. Jackie Stewart
8. Niki Lauda
9. Mika Hakkinen
10. Nelson Piquet Sr.

I hate you Shinj :lol:

I just spent an hour working out a topic comme ca!

Are you keeping score. When's the cut off point?

watka · Post by **watka** » 14 Dec 2009, 13:17

1. Jim Clark
2. Juan Manuel Fangio
3. Michael Schumacher
4. Ayrton Senna
5. Alain Prost
6. Jackie Stewart
7. Alberto Ascari
8. Stirling Moss
9. Nigel Mansell
10. Jack Brabham

rffp · Post by **rffp** » 14 Dec 2009, 13:21

It is difficult to actually compile such list, since I don't believe there are many that watched F-1 in their primordials. By then, racing one of those wingless death machines would be very different from driving for instance the videogame consoles in the 1992 and 1993 seasons.

Hence, I will leave out of my ranking, those that I did not see before 1983, when I started following F-1.

1-Ayrton Senna (yes, I'm biased)
2-Alain Prost
3-Michael Schumacher
4-Fernando Alonso
5-Kimi Raikkonen
6-Nelson Piquet
7-Niki Lauda
8-Lewis Hamilton
9-Mika Hakkinen
10-Roberto Moreno (!)

homerbhoy · Post by **homerbhoy** » 14 Dec 2009, 13:26

Here is mine

1. Ayrton Senna
2. Jim Clark
3. Michael Schumacher
4. Alain Prost
5. Jackie Stewart
6. Fernando Alonso
7. Niki Lauda
8. Nelson Piquet (Snr!)
9. Gilles Villeneuve
10. James Hunt (only because he lived the life too)

Pieman · Post by **Pieman** » 14 Dec 2009, 13:31

1. Jim Clark
2. Juan Manuel Fangio
3. Ayrton Senna
4. Michael Schumacher
5. Jackie Stewart
6. Gilles Villeneuve
7. Niki Lauda
8. Stirling Moss
9. Alain Prost
10. Jack Brabham

Honourable mention for Tazio Nuvolari as well - I have only not included him as he never competed in F1.

noisebox · Post by **noisebox** » 14 Dec 2009, 13:32

1. Fangio
2. Senna
3. Clark
4. Schumacher (M, not R)
5. Prost
6. Ascari
7. Moss
8. Stewart
9. Villeneuve (G, not J)
10. Brabham (J, not D or G)

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 14 Dec 2009, 13:37

1. Fangio
2. A. Senna

3. Moss
4. Clark
5. M. Schumacher
6. Prost
7. Stewart
8. Gilles
9. Peterson
10. Rindt

I've never been able to separate my top 4 or the next 2 groups of 3. So it's a sort of 1st, 5th & 8th equal

I have a joint 11th of at least 6 drivers!

Also, well said to Pieman my top 4 has always actually been a top 5

Enforcer · Post by **Enforcer** » 14 Dec 2009, 14:07

1. Michael Schumacher
2. Juan Manuel Fangio
3. Alain Prost
=. Ayrton Senna
5. Alberto Ascari
6. Jackie Stewart
7. Niki Lauda
8. Jim Clark
9. Nelson Piquet Snr.
10. Stirling Moss

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 14 Dec 2009, 14:24

eagleash wrote:
I hate you Shinj I just spent an hour working out a topic comme ca!

Are you keeping score. When's the cut off point?

Aren't I just the worst!

What I'm doing is awarding points - 10 for 1st, 9 for 2nd, 8 for 3rd etc. down to 10th. It seems to work.

So far;

Ayrton Senna – 68
Michael Schumacher – 64
Juan Manuel Fangio – 54
Jim Clark –53
Alain Prost – 52
Jackie Stewart – 33
Alberto Ascari – 20
Stirling Moss – 19
Niki Lauda – 19
Fernando Alonso – 12
Gilles Villeneuve – 12
Nelson Piquet Sr - 11
Kimi Raikkonen – 6
Mika Hakkinen – 4
Lewis Hamilton – 3
Jack Brabham – 3
Nigel Mansell – 2
Ronnie Peterson - 2
Roberto Moreno – 1
James Hunt – 1
Jochen Rindt - 1

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 14 Dec 2009, 14:58

1. Juan Manuel Fangio
2. Ayrton Senna
3. Michael Schumacher
4. Alain Prost
5. Jackie Stewart
6. Jim Clark
7. Niki Lauda
8. Jack Brabham
9. Stirling Moss
10. Mika Häkkinen

Jordan192 · Post by **Jordan192** » 14 Dec 2009, 14:59

1. Jim Clark
2. Ayrton Senna
3. Juan Manuel Fangio
4. Michael Schumacher
5. Stirling Moss
6. Alain Prost
7. Tazio Nuvolari
8. Jackie Stewart
9. Jack Brabham
10. Nigel Mansell

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 14 Dec 2009, 15:36

To give my opinion, my top 20 would be:
1-Ayrton Senna
2-Juan Manuel Fangio
3-Jim Clark
4-Stirling Moss
5-Alain Prost
6-Niki Lauda
7-Jackie Stewart
8-Jack Brabham
9-Michael Schumacher
10-Mario Andretti
11-Emerson Fittipaldi
12-Nigel Mansell
13-Fernando Alonso
14-Nelson Piquet, Sr.
15-Alberto Ascari
16-Graham Hill
17-Jody Scheckter
18-Alan Jones
19-Keke Rosberg
20-Mika Hakkinen

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 14 Dec 2009, 15:36

Time for a stupid, uneducated opinion

1. Michael Schumacher
2. Alain Prost
3. Juan Fangio

This is always difficult and in truth varies dependent of the required skill etc.

4. Alberto Ascari
5. Graham Hill
6. Niki Lauda
7. Jackie Stewart
8. Mika Häkkinen
9. Aryton Senna
10. Jack Brabham

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 14 Dec 2009, 16:10

shinji wrote:
eagleash wrote:
I hate you Shinj I just spent an hour working out a topic comme ca!

Are you keeping score. When's the cut off point?

Aren't I just the worst!

What I'm doing is awarding points - 10 for 1st, 9 for 2nd, 8 for 3rd etc. down to 10th. It seems to work.

Gosh where could you have thought up that scoring method too!

Bah humbug & a happy feast of the Winter Solstice to you too. Grrrr

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 14 Dec 2009, 16:13

1. Jim Clark
2. Ayrton Senna
3. Juan Manuel Fangio
4. Alain Prost
5. Jackie Stewart
6. Alberto Ascari
7. Mika Hakkinen
8. Michael Schumacher
9. Niki Lauda
10. Gilles Villeneuve

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 14 Dec 2009, 16:57

My top 20

1. Jim Clark
2. Alain Prost
3. Juan Manuel Fangio
4. Ayrton Senna
5. Micheal Schumacher
6. Jack Brabham
7. Jackie Stewart
8. Niki Lauda
9. Graham Hill
10. Gilles Villeneuve
11. Alberto Ascari
12. Nelson Piquet Sr.
13. Mario Andretti
14. Emerson Fittipaldi
15. John Surtees
16. Mika Hakkinen
17. Jochen Rindt
18. Alan Jones
19. Nino Farina
20. Nigel Mansell

noisebox · Post by **noisebox** » 14 Dec 2009, 17:12

Klon wrote:Time for a stupid, uneducated opinion

But the first to be honest about it!

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 14 Dec 2009, 17:21

kostas22 wrote:1. Jim Clark
2. Ayrton Senna
3. Juan Manuel Fangio
4. Alain Prost
5. Jackie Stewart
6. Alberto Ascari
7. Mika Hakkinen
8. Michael Schumacher
9. Niki Lauda
10. Gilles Villeneuve

No Scots bias there then

INCOMING!!!!!!!! (papaya)

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 14 Dec 2009, 17:22

eagleash wrote:
kostas22 wrote:1. Jim Clark
2. Ayrton Senna
3. Juan Manuel Fangio
4. Alain Prost
5. Jackie Stewart
6. Alberto Ascari
7. Mika Hakkinen
8. Michael Schumacher
9. Niki Lauda
10. Gilles Villeneuve

No Scots bias there then

INCOMING!!!!!!!! (papaya)

At least he didn't put Coulthard in.

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 14 Dec 2009, 17:31

shinji wrote:
eagleash wrote:
kostas22 wrote:1. Jim Clark
2. Ayrton Senna
3. Juan Manuel Fangio
4. Alain Prost
5. Jackie Stewart
6. Alberto Ascari
7. Mika Hakkinen
8. Michael Schumacher
9. Niki Lauda
10. Gilles Villeneuve

No Scots bias there then

INCOMING!!!!!!!! (papaya)

At least he didn't put Coulthard in.

I bet he thought about as well as jackies brother, (Don't think you're forgiven yet!)

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 14 Dec 2009, 17:46

Started watching F1 somewhere in 1991. Will only talk about what I know.

1. Nigel Mansell (screw reality)
2. Damon Hill (screw reality again)
3. Michael Schumacher (simply because of Spa, 1995)
4. Mika Hakkinen
5. Ayrton Senna (didn't catch enough of him)
6. Mark Webber (screw reality, part 3)
7. Jacques Villeneuve (honest!)
8. Tiago Monteiro (note avatar)
9. Jean Alesi
10. Lewis Hamilton

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 14 Dec 2009, 17:48

Shinji there's terrible spam all over your thread from someone pretending to be Carlos.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 14 Dec 2009, 17:49

Update:

Ayrton Senna – 120
Juan Manuel Fangio –105
Michael Schumacher – 108
Jim Clark –96
Alain Prost – 95
Jackie Stewart – 60
Niki Lauda - 38
Stirling Moss – 34
Alberto Ascari – 32
Mika Hakkinen – 19
Jack Brabham – 17
Gilles Villeneuve – 14
Nigel Mansell – 13
Fernando Alonso – 12
Nelson Piquet Sr – 11
Damon Hill - 9
Graham Hill – 8
Kimi Raikkonen – 6
Mark Webber - 5
Tazio Nuvolari – 4
Jacques Villeneuve - 4
Lewis Hamilton – 4
Tiago Monteiro - 3
Ronnie Peterson – 2
Jean Alesi - 2
Roberto Moreno – 1
James Hunt – 1
Jochen Rindt – 1
Mario Andretti - 1

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 14 Dec 2009, 18:00

CarlosFerreira wrote:Started watching F1 somewhere in 1991. Will only talk about what I know.

1. Nigel Mansell (screw reality)
2. Damon Hill (screw reality again)
6. Mark Webber (screw reality, part 3)
7. Jacques Villeneuve (honest!)
8. Tiago Monteiro (note avatar)
9. Jean Alesi
10. Lewis Hamilton

You should be de-modded for that blasphemy.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 14 Dec 2009, 18:01

kostas22 wrote:de-modded

Sounds violent. And strangely sexual.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 14 Dec 2009, 18:03

kostas22 wrote:
CarlosFerreira wrote:Started watching F1 somewhere in 1991. Will only talk about what I know.

1. Nigel Mansell (screw reality)
2. Damon Hill (screw reality again)
6. Mark Webber (screw reality, part 3)
7. Jacques Villeneuve (honest!)
8. Tiago Monteiro (note avatar)
9. Jean Alesi
10. Lewis Hamilton

You should be de-modded for that blasphemy.

Was it something I said? :roll:

Hill was going to be above Mansell, so cut me some slack.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 14 Dec 2009, 18:06

CarlosFerreira wrote:7. Jacques Villeneuve (honest!)

Infact you should be banned completely for that.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 14 Dec 2009, 18:10

shinji wrote:
kostas22 wrote:de-modded

Sounds violent. And strangely sexual.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 14 Dec 2009, 18:11

CarlosFerreira wrote:
shinji wrote:
kostas22 wrote:de-modded

Sounds violent. And strangely sexual.

Your face should look like that when kostas comes and de-mods you.

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 14 Dec 2009, 18:13

Shinji are you allowing Nuvolari cos he never drove in F1 ie 1950 drivers champ onwards.

& Kostas could de-rockers him too, much more painful

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 14 Dec 2009, 18:15

eagleash wrote:Shinji are you allowing Nuvolari cos he never drove in F1 ie 1950 drivers champ onwards.

& Kostas could de-rockers him too, much more painful

If people voted for him, then I gotta count him. He won't win anyway, or be very high at all, so it won't really matter.

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 14 Dec 2009, 18:17

shinji wrote:
eagleash wrote:Shinji are you allowing Nuvolari cos he never drove in F1 ie 1950 drivers champ onwards.

& Kostas could de-rockers him too, much more painful

If people voted for him, then I gotta count him. He won't win anyway, or be very high at all, so it won't really matter.

He'll get at least 2 more votes, me & Pieman

Marco · Post by **Marco** » 14 Dec 2009, 18:19

1. Fangio
2. Clark
3. Moss
4. G Villeneuve
5. Lauda
6. Prost
7. Stewart
8. Peterson
9. Gurney
10. HH Frentzen (fighting for the championship in a Jordan deserves a point)

For a Top 15 I'd add Bellof, Andretti, G Hill, Hakkinen and J Brabham

No Points for Senna or Schumacher, because in my opinion, a driver, who intentionally drives his opponent off the track (or tries to), to decide the championship, is not "great".

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 14 Dec 2009, 18:36

You have to seperate Senna and Schumacher from incedents like that.

Schumacher only made rather shoddy attempts to thwart the oppo, and that sometimes failed.
Senna made sure he got the job done.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 14 Dec 2009, 18:41

Marco wrote:No Points for Senna or Schumacher, because in my opinion, a driver, who intentionally drives his opponent off the track (or tries to), to decide the championship, is not "great".

Well, Schumi did not have a plausible excuse apart from having snorted that very same day (but still I wouldn't take off some of his other merits for that, everyone has a fool's moment at some moment in his life), but Senna...he was about revenge on Prost for what he did the previous year, and he did warn that he was going to do that, and never felt ashamed/negated it. After all, taking other drivers out is a very common practice in other modalities (especially with touring cars).

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 14 Dec 2009, 18:46

These are taken from my first full TV viewing season of F1 to the present day (1989+).
Be warned that national favouritism is involved, and also the drivers success rates, their levels of bastardry (which is why alonso and schumacher arent in my top 10), and also personal sympathies. They may also be here because they were worthy opponents (and/or team mates) to whoever may be above them.

1= Damon Hill
1= Lewis Hamilton
3: Nigel Mansell
4: Jenson Button
5: Ayrton Senna
6: Kimi Raikonnen
7: Felipe Massa
8: Johnny Herbert
9: Alessandro Nannini
10: Gerhard Berger

To suggest that drivers before I was born should be in my top ten would be to assume that I was able to travel back in time and witness their apparent greatness and therefore adjust my opinions.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 14 Dec 2009, 18:49

ADx_Wales wrote:These are taken from my first full TV viewing season of F1 to the present day (1989+).
Be warned that national favouritism is involved, and also the drivers success rates, their levels of bastardry (which is why alonso and schumacher arent in my top 10), and also personal sympathies. They may also be here because they were worthy opponents (and/or team mates) to whoever may be above them.

1= Damon Hill
1= Lewis Hamilton
3: Nigel Mansell
4: Jenson Button
5: Ayrton Senna
6: Kimi Raikonnen
7: Felipe Massa
8: Johnny Herbert
9: Alessandro Nannini
10: Gerhard Berger

To suggest that drivers before I was born should be in my top ten would be to assume that I was able to travel back in time and witness their apparent greatness and therefore adjust my opinions.

I'll count that with extreme reluctance.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 14 Dec 2009, 18:51

Alonso bastard why? He had to eat a lot of shite during his career, especially during his time in McLaren, thanks to that people in Spain call one of the best teams in F1 history McLata (McCan) and McAco (McApe), and he barely complained about that and he carried on with great professionalism. And this not biased at all, it's what I think it's a fact. He never did any particular bastard thing in his career.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 14 Dec 2009, 18:54

Phoenix wrote:Alonso bastard why? He had to eat a lot of shite during his career, especially during his time in McLaren, thanks to that people in Spain call one of the best teams in F1 history McLata (McCan) and McAco (McApe), and he barely complained about that and he carried on with great professionalism. And this not biased at all, it's what I think it's a fact. He never did any particular bastard thing in his career.

He went up against Hamilton. If you look at adx's top 10, I think you can see where his allegiances lie. He became an 'enemy to Britain' for no particular reason.