The first female F1 driver in over 20 years?

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 12 Apr 2013, 17:02

eurobrun wrote:
CoopsII wrote:
pasta_maldonado wrote:Thomas the Tank Engine used to say,

Did someone mention Tomas Enge?

Well, both do spend most of their time surrounded in smoke

Indeed they do.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 12 Apr 2013, 23:34

Divina_Galica wrote:...and so far no-one has mentioned Danica, far and away the best female driver in recent times.

I know that Bernie would like to see her in F1 and I think she would do a solid job if she commits to it and is given the time to learn, as F1 is very different to anything she has done so far.

(Awaits being shot down in flames....)

As for Beitske Visser - it is ridiculously early to make any comments on her in F1

DG

Danica has gone for the money of NASCAR and wasn't very impressive off of the oval tracks probably explaining why she went into NASCAR in the first place. I'd bet on Simona de Silvestro or even NASCAR's Johanna Long for more viable candidates than Danica for F1. Long has been in significantly worse equipment and for the most part is just a few positions behind Danica when in the same race.

X61 · Post by **X61** » 13 Apr 2013, 00:57

Onxy Wrecked wrote:Danica has gone for the money of NASCAR and wasn't very impressive off of the oval tracks probably explaining why she went into NASCAR in the first place. I'd bet on Simona de Silvestro or even NASCAR's Johanna Long for more viable candidates than Danica for F1. Long has been in significantly worse equipment and for the most part is just a few positions behind Danica when in the same race.

Simona de Silvestro would be interesting to see in an F1 car, and I believe she has earned a shot with a top team in IndyCar. I believe she's currently the best female racer in North America.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 13 Apr 2013, 02:00

X61 wrote:
Onxy Wrecked wrote:Danica has gone for the money of NASCAR and wasn't very impressive off of the oval tracks probably explaining why she went into NASCAR in the first place. I'd bet on Simona de Silvestro or even NASCAR's Johanna Long for more viable candidates than Danica for F1. Long has been in significantly worse equipment and for the most part is just a few positions behind Danica when in the same race.

Simona de Silvestro would be interesting to see in an F1 car, and I believe she has earned a shot with a top team in IndyCar. I believe she's currently the best female racer in North America.

Exactly how much competition is there for that?

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 13 Apr 2013, 07:41

X61 wrote:
Onxy Wrecked wrote:Danica has gone for the money of NASCAR and wasn't very impressive off of the oval tracks probably explaining why she went into NASCAR in the first place. I'd bet on Simona de Silvestro or even NASCAR's Johanna Long for more viable candidates than Danica for F1. Long has been in significantly worse equipment and for the most part is just a few positions behind Danica when in the same race.

Simona de Silvestro would be interesting to see in an F1 car, and I believe she has earned a shot with a top team in IndyCar. I believe she's currently the best female racer in North America.

Really? Who outside of North America do you think is better than her?

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 13 Apr 2013, 21:45

How much do people rate Pippa Mann? Or has she not competed enough in IndyCar for opinions to form yet?

Post by **Ataxia** » 15 Apr 2013, 10:08

Sir Stirling Moss has his less-than-complimentary say on women drivers.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 15 Apr 2013, 10:10

F1 hopeful Susie Wolff :lol:

Oh wait, they're actually serious...

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 15 Apr 2013, 10:18

dr-baker wrote:How much do people rate Pippa Mann? Or has she not competed enough in IndyCar for opinions to form yet?

She reminds me of Wolff in someways as neither have really achieved much and yet they are both on the radar anyway.

Because of boobies presumably.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 17 Apr 2013, 20:51

CoopsII wrote:
dr-baker wrote:How much do people rate Pippa Mann? Or has she not competed enough in IndyCar for opinions to form yet?

She reminds me of Wolff in someways as neither have really achieved much and yet they are both on the radar anyway.

Because of boobies presumably.

What have boobies got to do with it?

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 30 May 2013, 21:10

It hasn't been a very good start for Visser. She's 11th after two weekends, having scored 11 points. Another Dutch lady Stéphane Kox (daughter of experienced sportscar racer Peter) is also racing in the series, she has two points so far. The leader has 107 points.

There are three races during the weekend, first two races use F1 system, third race 15-10-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 30 May 2013, 21:30

wsrgo wrote:

Carmen Jorda is in GP3 for the same reason that Ma Qinghua, Sergio Canamasas, Rene Binder, Simon Trummer and Jake Rosenzweig are in GP2, or Luis sa Silva and Adderley Fong in GP3...

Ma Qinghua: Definitely for the money

Sergio Canamasas: Is not for the money. Sure he had a crap 2010 in FR3.5 as he was the only full-time driver not to score a point but this year i think he's showing Alexander Rossi who is probably the next big American F1 hope that he's not going to be a pushover. He'd have finished 5th in Spain if Cecotto wasn't driving like an arse and then Haryanto didn't wipe off his rear wing. He doesn't deserve to be stuck on 0 points

Rene Binder: You'll end up with egg on your face soon. Binder has been reasonably impressive this year much better the likes of De Jong and on a good day he could be an outside bet for the podium

Simon Trummer: Seems to spend more time as a team-mate to a world championship contender. After Malaysia where he finished 6th i thought he could have been a frequent points scorer but he's stuttered a bit since.

Jake Rozenzweig: Hardly the most special driver but he's not DBTMOTR material. He's actually ran Haryanto close at times this season and with a bit of luck he will score a point

All 5 of these men are much faster than Carmen Jorda who makes Giancarlo Serenelli look fast. At least Serenelli qualified for all his races Jorda couldn't even do that.

And yes Alice Powell was the fastest female in GP3 last year and managed to score a point

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 31 May 2013, 04:22

Kimi-ICE wrote:
wsrgo wrote:

Carmen Jorda is in GP3 for the same reason that Ma Qinghua, Sergio Canamasas, Rene Binder, Simon Trummer and Jake Rosenzweig are in GP2, or Luis sa Silva and Adderley Fong in GP3...

Ma Qinghua: Definitely for the money

Sergio Canamasas: Is not for the money. Sure he had a crap 2010 in FR3.5 as he was the only full-time driver not to score a point but this year i think he's showing Alexander Rossi who is probably the next big American F1 hope that he's not going to be a pushover. He'd have finished 5th in Spain if Cecotto wasn't driving like an arse and then Haryanto didn't wipe off his rear wing. He doesn't deserve to be stuck on 0 points

Rene Binder: You'll end up with egg on your face soon. Binder has been reasonably impressive this year much better the likes of De Jong and on a good day he could be an outside bet for the podium

Simon Trummer: Seems to spend more time as a team-mate to a world championship contender. After Malaysia where he finished 6th i thought he could have been a frequent points scorer but he's stuttered a bit since.

Jake Rozenzweig: Hardly the most special driver but he's not DBTMOTR material. He's actually ran Haryanto close at times this season and with a bit of luck he will score a point

All 5 of these men are much faster than Carmen Jorda who makes Giancarlo Serenelli look fast. At least Serenelli qualified for all his races Jorda couldn't even do that.

And yes Alice Powell was the fastest female in GP3 last year and managed to score a point

We really don't know what kind of setup Lazarus have. Sure, Binder's been ahead of his teammate, but Giovesi is terribly under-mature. He won the Copa class of the F3 Open (erstwhile Spanish competition) last year. The move to GP2 has been a big jump for him. Binder's best performance was 6th in German F3 last year, and even there he was in his 3rd season. Jimmy Eriksson, Lucas Auer, Kimiya Sato, Mitchell Gilbert and Tom Blomqvist all had less experience and they all beat him.

About Rosenzweig, I can safely say that their uninspiring line-up is largely the reason that Addax is dead last. The American had three horrendous seasons in FR3.5. His only podium finish in junior single-seaters came in F3. Just one podium finish. No wins. He doesn't deserve to be anywhere near a car as strong as GP2 machinery. Haryanto himself isn't the best of the Asian driver around. True, he had a pretty good GP3 campaign three years ago, but in GP3's inaugural year in 2010, some anomalous results were thrown up, so I don't think Haryanto's 5th place was deserved. Anyway, the following year, his performance deteriorated and he had an inconsistent campaign, finishing only 7th overall.

I agree about Canamasas, I wrote this comment right after Bahrain when he carved up Ceccon. He has certainly picked up his game in the last couple of rounds.

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 31 May 2013, 04:26

Bleu wrote:It hasn't been a very good start for Visser. She's 11th after two weekends, having scored 11 points. Another Dutch lady Stéphane Kox (daughter of experienced sportscar racer Peter) is also racing in the series, she has two points so far. The leader has 107 points.

There are three races during the weekend, first two races use F1 system, third race 15-10-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1.

Picariello's having a monster of a season. Even Red Bull's other junior in the series, Callan O'Keefe isn't doing well despite having got to reverse-grid poles. The Lotus/Motopark team in ADAC Formel Masters is having a poor season overall, thus far. Certainly in stark contrast to their German F3 squad, where they are 1-2-3 in the series.

Backmarker · Post by **Backmarker** » 31 May 2013, 08:27

Maldonado is still in pain from his Monaco crash. While it is expected he will recover before Montreal, the possibility of Susie Wolff getting an F1 drive has increased! Though really, if I was Williams I would look to see if a deal could be made with a driver with recent experience, e.g. Glock or Petrov

S951 · Post by **S951** » 31 May 2013, 19:35

does she have a super licence? can't remember her doing enough testing to qualify for one

PT8475 · Post by **PT8475** » 31 May 2013, 20:00

Well if she gets there she's far more deserving than Susie "MyHusbandIsOnTheBoardOfDirectorsAndI'veNeverWonAMajorRace" Wolff.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 31 May 2013, 20:07

Backmarker wrote:Maldonado is still in pain from his Monaco crash. While it is expected he will recover before Montreal, the possibility of Susie Wolff getting an F1 drive has increased! Though really, if I was Williams I would look to see if a deal could be made with a driver with recent experience, e.g. Glock or Petrov

Petrov is probably a safer option than Glock or Susie Wolff, but we all know that Wolff is already within the Williams team.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 31 May 2013, 20:44

Onxy Wrecked wrote:
Backmarker wrote:Maldonado is still in pain from his Monaco crash. While it is expected he will recover before Montreal, the possibility of Susie Wolff getting an F1 drive has increased! Though really, if I was Williams I would look to see if a deal could be made with a driver with recent experience, e.g. Glock or Petrov

Petrov is probably a safer option than Glock or Susie Wolff, but we all know that Wolff is already within the Williams team.

But does she have a superlicense? Because I'm fairly sure she doesn't.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 31 May 2013, 20:45

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Onxy Wrecked wrote:
Backmarker wrote:Maldonado is still in pain from his Monaco crash. While it is expected he will recover before Montreal, the possibility of Susie Wolff getting an F1 drive has increased! Though really, if I was Williams I would look to see if a deal could be made with a driver with recent experience, e.g. Glock or Petrov

Petrov is probably a safer option than Glock or Susie Wolff, but we all know that Wolff is already within the Williams team.

But does she have a superlicense? Because I'm fairly sure she doesn't.

No, she hasn't. She mentioned some time ago that she wants to get a superlicense this year.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 31 May 2013, 20:47

PT8475 wrote:Well if she gets there she's far more deserving than Susie "MyHusbandIsOnTheBoardOfDirectorsAndI'veNeverWonAMajorRace" Wolff.

What about Susie "I'veonlyscored4pointsinmyentireDTMcareerAndMyHusbandisTheBoardOfDirectorOfMercedesGPAndhasalreadywonaracewhichIneverwilldo" Wolff

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 31 May 2013, 20:47

PT8475 wrote:Well if she gets there she's far more deserving than Susie "MyHusbandIsOnTheBoardOfDirectorsAndI'veNeverWonAMajorRace" Wolff.

What about Susie "I'veonlyscored4pointsinmyentireDTMcareerAndMyHusbandisTheBoardOfDirectorOfMercedesGPAndhasalreadywonaracewhichIneverwilldo" Wolff

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 31 May 2013, 21:56

Kimi-ICE wrote:
PT8475 wrote:Well if she gets there she's far more deserving than Susie "MyHusbandIsOnTheBoardOfDirectorsAndI'veNeverWonAMajorRace" Wolff.

What about Susie "I'veOnlyScored4PointsInMyEntireSevenYearDTMcareerAndMyHusbandisTheBoardOfDirectorOfMercedesGPAndHasAlreadyWonARaceWhichIWillNeverDo" Wolff

Let's put her DTM 'success' in perspective, shall we?

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 04 Jun 2013, 10:53

Susie Wolff is a female driver that, if ends up driving in F1, will always be unable to drop the tag 'I am only here thanks to my husband". Which is obviously very damaging to all female drivers out there who try hard to get seen as serious prospects.

dragonsteincole · Post by **dragonsteincole** » 04 Jun 2013, 15:35

She couldn't do any worse than some of the awful drivers listed on this site.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 04 Jun 2013, 17:25

Lets analyse some of the well known female drivers because i don't know about this Dutch Female that is rated quite highly by most of you

Simona de Silvestro: Probably the best female in Motorsport at the moment. De Silvestro was a former champion in one of the lower American Motorsport drivers so she's due a podium finish in Indycars at some point. The opening round of 2011 is one of her best races as she came 4th and set the fastest lap. Although that year went downhill after that she has picked up considerably since then with some strong finishes this year.

Danica Patrick: Don't really need to say anything do I. Danicamania has swept the board in NASCAR but she really is overrated with only a few good drives in Indycar to show for her hype. Her bad personality doesn't help either.

Alice Powell: Back to my better Territory Alice Powell should really be the next big woman in Formula 1. As Will Buxton said in Monaco last year she is not here just to make up the numbers. She was a former champion in British Motorsport and was massively unlucky not to get a podium in Formula Renault UK in 2011. She scored a point in GP3 last year and that can only be a step forwards. Now somebody give her some cash so she can do it again.

Vicky Piria: Also in GP3 last year she wasn't as quick as Powell but she wasn't as bad as the next female listed here. A heavy crash at Hockenheim last year knocked the wind out of her sails and she hasn't been heard from since

Carmen Jorda: Quite Frankly how she has managed to stay in GP3 while Powell and Piria have been shafted is a mystery science has been unable to explain. DNQ'ed at Silverstone and is currently showing no signs of progress other than being a very slow pay-driver.

Susie Wolff: The bare stats alone explain why Wolff is being criticized for her attempts to be an F1 driver. 7 seasons of DTM yielded a grand total of 4 points and no Podiums. Not only that but her best finish was 7th and her first points didn't come until 2010 in the demolition derby at Valencia. To top it off she is 30 years old which is hardly a spring chicken in anyone's book but hey if racing in F1 is her dream who are we to crush it.

Katherine Legge: Like Wolff Legge was a no-hoper in DTM and decided to head statside in Indycar. Most famous moment was running in the top 3 for a brief moment at this year's Indy 500

Pippa Mann: Another anonymous Indycar racer who also ran in the top 3 briefly at the Indy 500 this year. I don't know much about her though

Milka Duno: Do i have to really say anything? I'll say something anyway because she is the perfect example of someone who needs a driving lesson on how to go faster. Discounting the hopeless Lotus Cars at last years Indy 500 Duno is the only racer in recent times to have been disqualified for being too slow with Autosport describing it in one race "After 31 laps of Ineptitude" Quite frankly a Lawnmower is faster than Milka Duno

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 04 Jun 2013, 17:55

Simona de Silvestro: I would really like to see her test to be honest, someone give her a shot.

Danica Patrick: NASCAR Fun Fact of the Day: Mark Martin, who has only run 11 races this year, and Denny Hamlin, who missed 4 races with a back injury, are both ranked higher in points than Danica Patrick, who has started every race.

Susie Wolff: The Danica Patrick of F1. Her Husband owns a big old chunk of the team, but that has nothing to do with her ride? Rigggghhhhhttt

Katherine Legge: Legge was a damn fine racer until her accident, she smoked Danica in Atlantics, and was a decent mid-packer in CCWS in horrible cars, then she wrecked and was never the same, and her Indycar comeback was with Lotus, 'nuff said

Pippa Mann: Pippa Shows Flashes of Skill, much more so than Bia, but never hooks any momentum together, and is still really inexperienced.

Milka Duno: Dear God please no.

Divina_Galica · Post by **Divina_Galica** » 04 Jun 2013, 19:17

To be fair to Danica she did finish second in the 2000 Formula Ford Festival to Anthony Davidson (interestingly two years after Jenson Button beat Dan Wheldon) when it was still a very competitive event, had poles and a fastest lap in Indycars in addition to her win and 5 top ten Championship finishes, she has had pole and led NASCAR events (and she should have won in Road America last year until Villeneuve shoved her off).

Wouldn't say she would trouble the top drivers in F1 but she is way better than Susie Wolff

DG

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 04 Jun 2013, 19:33

Divina_Galica wrote:To be fair to Danica she did finish second in the 2000 Formula Ford Festival to Anthony Davidson (interestingly two years after Jenson Button beat Dan Wheldon) when it was still a very competitive event, had poles and a fastest lap in Indycars in addition to her win and 5 top ten Championship finishes, she has had pole and led NASCAR events (and she should have won in Road America last year until Villeneuve shoved her off).

Wouldn't say she would trouble the top drivers in F1 but she is way better than Susie Wolff

DG

Yeah, this is true. Danica isn't a great talent by any means, but she's okay. About average.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 04 Jun 2013, 19:48

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Divina_Galica wrote:To be fair to Danica she did finish second in the 2000 Formula Ford Festival to Anthony Davidson (interestingly two years after Jenson Button beat Dan Wheldon) when it was still a very competitive event, had poles and a fastest lap in Indycars in addition to her win and 5 top ten Championship finishes, she has had pole and led NASCAR events (and she should have won in Road America last year until Villeneuve shoved her off).

Wouldn't say she would trouble the top drivers in F1 but she is way better than Susie Wolff

DG

Yeah, this is true. Danica isn't a great talent by any means, but she's okay. About average.

Paul di Resta, but with boobs?

Backmarker · Post by **Backmarker** » 04 Jun 2013, 21:16

takagi_for_the_win wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Divina_Galica wrote:To be fair to Danica she did finish second in the 2000 Formula Ford Festival to Anthony Davidson (interestingly two years after Jenson Button beat Dan Wheldon) when it was still a very competitive event, had poles and a fastest lap in Indycars in addition to her win and 5 top ten Championship finishes, she has had pole and led NASCAR events (and she should have won in Road America last year until Villeneuve shoved her off).

Wouldn't say she would trouble the top drivers in F1 but she is way better than Susie Wolff

DG

Yeah, this is true. Danica isn't a great talent by any means, but she's okay. About average.

Paul di Resta, but with boobs?

Far more interesting. More like Mika Salo. Or maybe Jos 'the Boss'.

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 05 Jun 2013, 01:07

Kimi-ICE wrote:Lets analyse some of the well known female drivers because i don't know about this Dutch Female that is rated quite highly by most of you

Simona de Silvestro: Probably the best female in Motorsport at the moment. De Silvestro was a former champion in one of the lower American Motorsport drivers so she's due a podium finish in Indycars at some point. The opening round of 2011 is one of her best races as she came 4th and set the fastest lap. Although that year went downhill after that she has picked up considerably since then with some strong finishes this year.

Danica Patrick: Don't really need to say anything do I. Danicamania has swept the board in NASCAR but she really is overrated with only a few good drives in Indycar to show for her hype. Her bad personality doesn't help either.

Alice Powell: Back to my better Territory Alice Powell should really be the next big woman in Formula 1. As Will Buxton said in Monaco last year she is not here just to make up the numbers. She was a former champion in British Motorsport and was massively unlucky not to get a podium in Formula Renault UK in 2011. She scored a point in GP3 last year and that can only be a step forwards. Now somebody give her some cash so she can do it again.

Vicky Piria: Also in GP3 last year she wasn't as quick as Powell but she wasn't as bad as the next female listed here. A heavy crash at Hockenheim last year knocked the wind out of her sails and she hasn't been heard from since

Carmen Jorda: Quite Frankly how she has managed to stay in GP3 while Powell and Piria have been shafted is a mystery science has been unable to explain. DNQ'ed at Silverstone and is currently showing no signs of progress other than being a very slow pay-driver.

Susie Wolff: The bare stats alone explain why Wolff is being criticized for her attempts to be an F1 driver. 7 seasons of DTM yielded a grand total of 4 points and no Podiums. Not only that but her best finish was 7th and her first points didn't come until 2010 in the demolition derby at Valencia. To top it off she is 30 years old which is hardly a spring chicken in anyone's book but hey if racing in F1 is her dream who are we to crush it.

Katherine Legge: Like Wolff Legge was a no-hoper in DTM and decided to head statside in Indycar. Most famous moment was running in the top 3 for a brief moment at this year's Indy 500

Pippa Mann: Another anonymous Indycar racer who also ran in the top 3 briefly at the Indy 500 this year. I don't know much about her though

Milka Duno: Do i have to really say anything? I'll say something anyway because she is the perfect example of someone who needs a driving lesson on how to go faster. Discounting the hopeless Lotus Cars at last years Indy 500 Duno is the only racer in recent times to have been disqualified for being too slow with Autosport describing it in one race "After 31 laps of Ineptitude" Quite frankly a Lawnmower is faster than Milka Duno

So what's you're take on Johnna Long? Would she be a good candidate or not?

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 05 Jun 2013, 01:35

I have a take on Johanna Long. She is not bad. Right now, she's been going forward in NASCAR, and has been constantly in the top 15 and top 20 area in the NNS, which is pretty dang good.

girry · Post by **girry** » 05 Jun 2013, 05:44

...Ana Beatriz?

Seems still a bit better than most of the drivers mentioned here.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 05 Jun 2013, 07:28

Maybe we should just give a drive to whoever has the best rack and that way the likes of Bernie wont have any issue with them being on the grid and also the media can simply be honest about what they're interested in.

Sexist but straightforward.

EDIT - Thinking about it, the driver with the best boobs I ever saw was Juan-Pablo Montoya, the little chubby chappy, so I dont know what to think now.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 05 Jun 2013, 09:04

CoopsII wrote:Maybe we should just give a drive to whoever has the best rack and that way the likes of Bernie wont have any issue with them being on the grid and also the media can simply be honest about what they're interested in.

Curiously, having the best rack is always the ultimate decider between two similar female candidates. If it is a man to decide, the best are chosen and if it is a woman, the ugliest the better. It's natural instinct.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 05 Jun 2013, 09:49

DanielPT wrote:Curiously, having the best rack is always the ultimate decider between two similar female candidates. If it is a man to decide, the best are chosen and if it is a woman, the ugliest the better. It's natural instinct.

I think you're right and its depressing really. It suggests there could be a driver out there capable of kicking everybodys ass but if she's not good looking in a way society recognises she'll get nowhere as its mostly men who make these decisions, despite some minimal improvements.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 05 Jun 2013, 14:07

Just to add my 2p to the subject, I think that Danica Patrick is the most pumped-up arrogant untalented driver I've ever seen make it big. She's the only driver I could say I hate rather than dislike. She has done nothing of credit to deserve her fame, which I suspect as Coops pointed out is down to her looks rather than her driving. Which is terrible. Feel free to prove me completely wrong but for now I think she's a waste of space.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 05 Jun 2013, 14:12

pasta_maldonado wrote:Just to add my 2p to the subject, I think that Danica Patrick is the most pumped-up arrogant untalented driver I've ever seen make it big. She's the only driver I could say I hate rather than dislike. She has done nothing of credit to deserve her fame, which I suspect as Coops pointed out is down to her looks rather than her driving. Which is terrible. Feel free to prove me completely wrong but for now I think she's a waste of space.

But she finished 5th in IndyCar in 2009, finishing ahead of Tony Kanaan and Marco Andretti. So she can't be that untalented.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 05 Jun 2013, 15:24

pasta_maldonado wrote:She has done nothing of credit to deserve her fame, which I suspect as Coops pointed out is down to her looks rather than her driving. Which is terrible.

Did she steal four tens of cakes too?

But yeah, I agree.