Chinese GP ROTR

rachel1990 · Post by **rachel1990** » 14 Apr 2013, 09:22

I Have to give it to Red Bull. Webbers fuel issues, bad strategy for Vettel, Wheels falling off Webbers car, the team not controlling what Vettel is saying.

Not the best weekend ever then

Special Mentions to Esteban Gutierrez for 'mating with Sutil'.

Sergio Perez for nearly taking out Kimi Raikkonen

Romain Grosjean - What has happened to him?

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 14 Apr 2013, 09:25

The stewards, for delaying the decision on however many drivers it was using DRS during yellow flags.

I mean, it's there! You've got the film, just watch it! It's not a hard decision, they either used it or they didn't! Don't wait til after the race, do it now!

rachel1990 · Post by **rachel1990** » 14 Apr 2013, 09:27

GwilymJJames wrote:The stewards, for delaying the decision on however many drivers it was using DRS during yellow flags.

I mean, it's there! You've got the film, just watch it! It's not a hard decision, they either used it or they didn't! Don't wait til after the race, do it now!

Totally agree. It will cause chaos if penalties are put in place

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 14 Apr 2013, 09:33

rachel1990 wrote:
GwilymJJames wrote:The stewards, for delaying the decision on however many drivers it was using DRS during yellow flags.

I mean, it's there! You've got the film, just watch it! It's not a hard decision, they either used it or they didn't! Don't wait til after the race, do it now!

Totally agree. It will cause chaos if penalties are put in place

I thought DRS was disabled if there was any yellow flgs in the DRS zone?

rachel1990 · Post by **rachel1990** » 14 Apr 2013, 09:36

WeirdKerr wrote:
rachel1990 wrote:
GwilymJJames wrote:The stewards, for delaying the decision on however many drivers it was using DRS during yellow flags.

I mean, it's there! You've got the film, just watch it! It's not a hard decision, they either used it or they didn't! Don't wait til after the race, do it now!

Totally agree. It will cause chaos if penalties are put in place

I thought DRS was disabled if there was any yellow flgs in the DRS zone?

Um they can't turn it off in the cars. Its stupid when they say disabled it should say NOT ALLOWED because the drivers can turn on DRS at anytime in the zones

Shadaza · Post by **Shadaza** » 14 Apr 2013, 09:37

WeirdKerr wrote:
rachel1990 wrote:
GwilymJJames wrote:The stewards, for delaying the decision on however many drivers it was using DRS during yellow flags.

I mean, it's there! You've got the film, just watch it! It's not a hard decision, they either used it or they didn't! Don't wait til after the race, do it now!

Totally agree. It will cause chaos if penalties are put in place

I thought DRS was disabled if there was any yellow flgs in the DRS zone?

Maybe their system is STILL down as it was for the first 2 races and they have to depend on the drivers following the rules manually. As for penalties, my suspicion is they are going to give either fines or reprimands to those that broke the rules, a penalty they can't do during the race. (Hence the delay)

johnnyCarwash · Post by **johnnyCarwash** » 14 Apr 2013, 09:41

I'd give it to:
The Mexicans: Gutierrez was trying his best impression of Kobayahi in Korea last season.... Then Perez driving all over the place....

Special mention to Mark's side of the Red Bull garage First bowser issue, Mark hitting Vegne and then the rear wheel falling off says it all.

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 14 Apr 2013, 10:10

From the Predicament Predictions thread:

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:RotR: Williams (beaten by Bianchi)

mario wrote:ROTR: Williams (I can see one car possibly being beaten to the finish by Bianchi)

Klon wrote:ROTR: Williams (gets beaten by a vicious Bianchi)

Wizzie wrote:ROTR: Williams (Spend all race getting their faces bashed in by Jules Bianchi on track)

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:If Bianchi doesn't beat at least one Williams, we're all going to end up looking very silly.

The statistics will record that Valerie and Maldolan finished on the lead lap, and that the Back Four were all one lap down. When, as we could all see at the end of the race, Bianchi had only just been lapped by the leaders, and had there been another lap or two, Alonso would have claimed the scalp of at least one WIlliams, if not both. Bianchi had Maldolan in his sights. So, although these predictions didn't quite happen, they weren't all that far off - close enough that UgncreativeUsergname and the rest need not worry about looking very silly. So I'm going to give my nomination to Williams, because Barcelona last year is already looking like a long time in the past... and I'm not jumping on the "let's kick Red Bull while they're as close to down as they're ever likely to be, which isn't all that far down" bandwagon.

The Official Dishonourable Mention goes to Gutiérrez Gutiérrez Gutiérrez for trying to use Adrian Sutil as a brake. He must be getting nightmares about that same crash, given that this is far from the first time it's happened to him...

Svenko Wankerov · Post by **Svenko Wankerov** » 14 Apr 2013, 11:12

Massa was completely useless. Couldn't pass or defend at all while his teammate dominated the race in every possible way.

TheBigJ · Post by **TheBigJ** » 14 Apr 2013, 11:44

Gutierrez : rookie rejctful mistake but can be excused.
Red Bull : their high standards were shown up and the team tactics for the race didn't pay off. Why not participate in Qually when you have a driver who can pull a pole out of the bag?And the less said about Webber's week-end the better.
Perez : while Button is being shrewd and geting the best out of his car, Perez is just dosing with the midfield.
Grosjean : Again, a more experienced teammate making the man look very ordinary, except unlike Perez, Grosjean doesn't have the "bad car", "teammate favored" or "first season at the team" cards in his deck of excuses.

but the winner is :

Williams : They've just gone so far backwards its shocking. Two inept drivers doesn't help either. Early favorites for ROTY (again).

SeedStriker · Post by **SeedStriker** » 14 Apr 2013, 12:17

Just because they went fully anonymous the whole weekend, Williams. Neither The Reverend or Valy showed signs of improvement, on the contrary, they went to the Maru/Cath Zone.

Dishonorable mentions to Esteban Gutiérrez (learn to brake, son!) and the first lap of Force India (fraticidal battle so soon, boys?)

The Why this shite always happens to me? Award goes to Mark Webber, for the no-fuel, 1 lap soft tires, another nosecone and weelnut off.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 14 Apr 2013, 13:24

Massa: Finished behind Button with the best car of the race.
Red Bull: Bad strategy + Webber crashed + Webber's Wheel.
The Mexican duo: Perez was nowhere and Gutierrez crashed. I miss kobayashi.
Williams: In the botton of the midfield again.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 14 Apr 2013, 13:41

My picks are:

3. Massa. Teammate won the race while he finished behind Button. Pathetic, and I say that as a fan of Felipe.

2. Red Bull. Red Bull had a poor weekend. Period. Webber's car not fueled sufficiently, Vettel not able to get in the 1:35s on track, poor strategy, and Webber's wheel falling off. Also, the last time a team told their driver to return to the pits with a loose wheel, the team at fault (Renault) got a suspension. Trouble headed Red Bull's way?

And number one reject of the race:

Esteban Guiterrez.A stupid clumsy error comparable to Verstappen colliding with Montoya in Brazil 2001.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 14 Apr 2013, 13:48

johnnyCarwash wrote:Then Perez driving all over the place....

Over here in the U.S, commentator David Hobbs claimed that Perez was a moving chicane. Can't blame him.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 14 Apr 2013, 14:05

Although Red Bull tried their best to think up ways to throw away podium finishes for both drivers, the award has to go to Gutierrez for being able to actually get some screen time. In the completly wrong way.

Post by **mario** » 14 Apr 2013, 14:39

Shadaza wrote:Maybe their system is STILL down as it was for the first 2 races and they have to depend on the drivers following the rules manually. As for penalties, my suspicion is they are going to give either fines or reprimands to those that broke the rules, a penalty they can't do during the race. (Hence the delay)

It looks like the stewards have decided not to hand out any penalties at all to the drivers because it appears that there was a problem with the information feed provided to the teams being about a minute out of sync with the warning lights around the track. Coupled with the fact that the drivers were having to rely on the pit wall providing them with accurate information, that seems to explain why the FIA decided to take its time before making the decision. http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2013/04/14/d ... lties-drs/

Anyway, I have to agree with the nominations for Esteban - he was the best part of a second off Hulkenberg in qualifying before compounding that with that clumsy mistake that has earned him a five place grid penalty for Bahrain. Whilst he has said that he misjudged how much downforce he had lost behind Sutil and therefore braked too late, it kind of looked more like he was more focussed on trying to outbrake Perez and forgot that somebody was ahead of them.

Mind you, Webber's weekend was, frankly, the weekend from hell in many ways - the mistakes in qualifying by the team that sent him to the back of the grid, his aggressive drive through the field that was blown by his clumsy accident with Vergne (with Webber admitting that it was his fault) that has earned him a three place grid penalty in the next race and the final indignity of that botched pit stop. It was a case of if it could go wrong, it did, and it has cost Red Bull dearly in both the WDC and WCC (Vettel's lead in the WDC has shrunk to three points over Kimi, whilst that double points finish for Ferrari puts them just five points behind Red Bull in the WCC).

In fact, overall you could perhaps nominate most of the second drivers at most teams - Webber's weekend was a disaster, Massa started well but faded very quickly and was over 40 seconds behind Alonso at the end (even though, at one point, he ended up getting first preference for his pit stops) and Perez finished nearly half a minute behind Button in a distant 11th place and was criticised more than once for his driving (Kimi is still annoyed that, as he put it, Perez "just pushed me onto the kerb").
Equally, Grosjean was struggling throughout this weekend, repeatedly switching between upgrade packages and ending up more than 40 seconds off where Kimi finished (in a lowly 9th place whilst Kimi was on the podium), and Vergne was equally thrashed by Ricciardo in the end. Only Rosberg can really justify the difference in performance between himself and Hamilton, which seems to have been because of a suspension issue.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 14 Apr 2013, 15:01

Webbers side of the Red Bull garage. No explanation needed.

Post by **Londoner** » 14 Apr 2013, 15:03

FIA/Stewards - Their telemetry system crapped itself AGAIN, and there was simply far too many investigations this afternoon.

Williams - ...yup.

Red Bull - Managed to cock up Vettel's strategy, and the less said about Webber's race, the better.

Sergio Perez - Drove like an absolute imbecile today.

But ROTR must surely go to:

Esteban Gutierrez - How does I use brakes?

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 14 Apr 2013, 15:38

go_Rubens wrote:
johnnyCarwash wrote:Then Perez driving all over the place....

Over here in the U.S, commentator David Hobbs claimed that Perez was a moving chicane. Can't blame him.

An American commentator having a go at a young Mexican expat. Not cringeworthy at all.

Post by **tommykl** » 14 Apr 2013, 15:41

CarlosFerreira wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:
johnnyCarwash wrote:Then Perez driving all over the place....

Over here in the U.S, commentator David Hobbs claimed that Perez was a moving chicane. Can't blame him.

An American commentator having a go at a young Mexican expat. Not cringeworthy at all.

David Hobbs is British...

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 14 Apr 2013, 15:42

CarlosFerreira wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:
johnnyCarwash wrote:Then Perez driving all over the place....

Over here in the U.S, commentator David Hobbs claimed that Perez was a moving chicane. Can't blame him.

An American commentator having a go at a young Mexican expat. Not cringeworthy at all.

Hobbs is British...

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 14 Apr 2013, 15:48

tommykl wrote:
CarlosFerreira wrote:An American commentator having a go at a young Mexican expat. Not cringeworthy at all.

David Hobbs is British...

Ooops.

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
CarlosFerreira wrote:An American commentator having a go at a young Mexican expat. Not cringeworthy at all.

Hobbs is British...

Ooops again.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 14 Apr 2013, 15:51

There was a point in the commentary where I became convinced Ben Edwards was turning into Jonathan Legard, by overly-using the word, "Crucial"...

Plus Webber's "bad luck if he had any luck at all" plus Gutierrez...

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 14 Apr 2013, 15:57

dr-baker wrote:There was a point in the commentary where I became convinced Ben Edwards was turning into Jonathan Legard, by overly-using the word, "Crucial"...

That's not possible. Ben Edwards is far too excited at all times in a race to even remotely resemble Jonathan Legard.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 14 Apr 2013, 16:36

Gutierrez Gutierrez and Webber are both terrible and worthy of this title, but I have to go with Pastor Maldonado for only being a few seconds in front of Bianchi and behind his rookie teammate. The Williams cars will get beat by a Marussia soon enough. Now that would bring them to an all time low.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 14 Apr 2013, 17:06

TheBigJ wrote:Grosjean : Again, a more experienced teammate making the man look very ordinary, except unlike Perez, Grosjean doesn't have the "bad car", "teammate favored" or "first season at the team" cards in his deck of excuses.

Honestly, I think Kimi is being favored in the team, and that Grosjean is trying hard to be careful because of how much everyone dug into him last year. As a result of both, he lost the speed edge he had.

Barbazza · Post by **Barbazza** » 14 Apr 2013, 17:16

No surprises from me, Gutierrez gets it.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 14 Apr 2013, 17:36

Cynon wrote:
TheBigJ wrote:Grosjean : Again, a more experienced teammate making the man look very ordinary, except unlike Perez, Grosjean doesn't have the "bad car", "teammate favored" or "first season at the team" cards in his deck of excuses.

Honestly, I think Kimi is being favored in the team, and that Grosjean is trying hard to be careful because of how much everyone dug into him last year. As a result of both, he lost the speed edge he had.

I agree with this. Grosjean has already beaten Raikkonen this year, and I wouldn't be surprised if he did so more often from now on.

coloni_subaru · Post by **coloni_subaru** » 14 Apr 2013, 17:53

My ROTR goes to Gutierrez, not only for his terrible crash, but also for being knocked out in Q1 in a car which his teammate took into Q3, and generally looking slow.

Dishonourable mention for Webber's crew, and Williams

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 14 Apr 2013, 18:28

CarlosFerreira wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:
johnnyCarwash wrote:Then Perez driving all over the place....

Over here in the U.S, commentator David Hobbs claimed that Perez was a moving chicane. Can't blame him.

An American commentator having a go at a young Mexican expat. Not cringeworthy at all.

That may have to be my Sig

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 14 Apr 2013, 18:33

roblomas52 wrote:
CarlosFerreira wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:Over here in the U.S, commentator David Hobbs claimed that Perez was a moving chicane. Can't blame him.

An American commentator having a go at a young Mexican expat. Not cringeworthy at all.

That may have to be my Sig

Even though it's factually incorrect?

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 14 Apr 2013, 18:50

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
roblomas52 wrote:
CarlosFerreira wrote:An American commentator having a go at a young Mexican expat. Not cringeworthy at all.

That may have to be my Sig

Even though it's factually incorrect?

Oh let's not let the facts get in the way of a good story.

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 14 Apr 2013, 20:11

1. Gutierrez: His collision with Sutil say it all.

2. Red Bull: For screwing Mark Webber yet again!

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 14 Apr 2013, 20:18

Red bull for making a possible conspiracy against webber and generally f***ing up his weekend

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 14 Apr 2013, 20:22

roblomas52 wrote:Red bull for making a possible conspiracy against webber and generally f***ing up his weekend

There is no conspiracy. It makes absolutely no sense to deliberately sabotage your own WCC charge in such a way.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 14 Apr 2013, 20:24

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
roblomas52 wrote:Red bull for making a possible conspiracy against webber and generally f***ing up his weekend

There is no conspiracy. It makes absolutely no sense to deliberately sabotage your own WCC charge in such a way.

They still f***ed his weekend up though

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 14 Apr 2013, 20:28

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
roblomas52 wrote:Red bull for making a possible conspiracy against webber and generally f***ing up his weekend

There is no conspiracy. It makes absolutely no sense to deliberately sabotage your own WCC charge in such a way.

I agree. We're talking about Red Bull, not Andrea Moda.

Divina_Galica · Post by **Divina_Galica** » 14 Apr 2013, 20:36

mario wrote:Mind you, Webber's weekend was, frankly, the weekend from hell in many ways - the mistakes in qualifying by the team that sent him to the back of the grid, his aggressive drive through the field that was blown by his clumsy accident with Vergne (with Webber admitting that it was his fault) that has earned him a three place grid penalty in the next race and the final indignity of that botched pit stop. It was a case of if it could go wrong, it did, and it has cost Red Bull dearly in both the WDC and WCC (Vettel's lead in the WDC has shrunk to three points over Kimi, whilst that double points finish for Ferrari puts them just five points behind Red Bull in the WCC).

Funny how if Grosjean has an accident he is a "first-lap nutcase" but Webber is allowed to apologise for assaulting Vergne's STR it's all okay...

At least Gutierrez had the excuse of heavy-fuel, early in his career, and on a bumpy bit of the track

So:

ROTR : Webber
HM : Sutil for shoving di Resta off

DG

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 14 Apr 2013, 20:42

I believe Sutil did a great job on Di Resta and should have tried harder IMO

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 14 Apr 2013, 20:47

roblomas52 wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
roblomas52 wrote:Red bull for making a possible conspiracy against webber and generally f***ing up his weekend

There is no conspiracy. It makes absolutely no sense to deliberately sabotage your own WCC charge in such a way.

They still f***ed his weekend up though

Then nominate them for their sheer incompetence. Not because there's a "conspiracy".