The National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing thread

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 04 Jun 2013, 20:23

nome66 wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Wallio wrote:I dunno, I always did wonder how Penske kept those Dodges so damn competitive with no support at all.......

No, it's just ridiculous. If that was the case, how the hell did they keep it under wraps through all last year and then suddenly start blowing it now?

because they're using roush motors in them.

... what difference does that make? They failed due to suspension components in Texas, and being too low in Dover.

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 04 Jun 2013, 20:29

ah i did not know about the being too low part. gotta stop doing this to meself

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 05 Jun 2013, 08:15

nome66 wrote:ah i did not know about the being too low part. gotta stop doing this to meself

It's a broken shock that Paul Wolfe didn't consider worthy of pitting in and replacing going multiple laps down. Brad kept the car in the top five, but the penalty for not replacing was smaller than being 25th and three or four laps down as the penalty's six points based on the Martin Truex Jr. penalty at Texas for similar problems in post race inspection. If the gamble works right, the penalty and fine will hurt the team less than finishing 25th to replace the shock.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 13 Jun 2013, 04:47

I have some sad news to report. NASCAR driver Jason Leffler has died in a sprint car race in New Jersey. Here is a link to the article, http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/story/_/id/9378864/nascar-driver-jason-leffler-dies-accident-dirt-car-event-bridgeport-speedway

Post by **kevinbotz** » 13 Jun 2013, 05:09

What a tragic couple of days in motorsport. First, we had the untimely death of a Canadian marshal on Sunday. And now this.

My deepest condolences to Mr. Leffler's family.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 13 Jun 2013, 07:56

Only a few days ago he was returning to the Sprint Cup now he is dead. RIP Jason Leffler :cry:

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 13 Jun 2013, 08:32

Sad news about Jason Leffler. From all of us here at F1 Rejects you will be sadly missed

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 13 Jun 2013, 19:57

Oh damn, not this again :cry:

RIP Jason. You will sadly be missed.

Another way to say that motor racing is a cruel sport that will never be safe.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 14 Jun 2013, 15:22

RIP Jason. Although these two deaths may seem 'minor' to some, they're deaths all the same, and shouldn't happen

Just goes to show how unsafe dirt racing is.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 14 Jun 2013, 16:54

pasta_maldonado wrote:RIP Jason. Although these two deaths may seem 'minor' to some, they're deaths all the same, and shouldn't happen

Just goes to show how unsafe dirt racing is.

Those cars weigh as much as the F1 cars with engines bigger than a NASCAR engine. It's safe to say dirt car/sprint car racing the most dangerous form of motor racing is today.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 16 Jun 2013, 17:55

Onxy Wrecked wrote:
pasta_maldonado wrote:RIP Jason. Although these two deaths may seem 'minor' to some, they're deaths all the same, and shouldn't happen

Just goes to show how unsafe dirt racing is.

Those cars weigh as much as the F1 cars with engines bigger than a NASCAR engine. It's safe to say dirt car/sprint car racing the most dangerous form of motor racing is today.

Dirt racing is dangerous, but I'd say motorcycle racing is more dangerous.

The Biff is leading. Cone on, man!

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 17 Jun 2013, 13:15

Biffle won the race. Johnson got black-flagged for another jumped restart. Two times in three weeks! Then he hit the wall with 3 to go. ROTR for him.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 17 Jun 2013, 23:32

go_Rubens wrote:Biffle won the race. Johnson got black-flagged for another jumped restart. Two times in three weeks! Then he hit the wall with 3 to go. ROTR for him.

He dodged the black flag, but lost 10 positions to avoid it.

Hound55 · Post by **Hound55** » 18 Jun 2013, 02:13

Onxy Wrecked wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:Biffle won the race. Johnson got black-flagged for another jumped restart. Two times in three weeks! Then he hit the wall with 3 to go. ROTR for him.

He dodged the black flag, but lost 10 positions to avoid it.

I hope NASCAR's administration decide to loosen up on their rule about beating the other driver to the line. In that situation it was very clear that Johnson bottled up the entire field by slowing down to let Earnhardt Jr. lead to line, nearly causing a very big accident. I feel like if there was a point to be made about that rule, it was made by Johnson then and there.

It's also unfair to award Johnson ROTR when his accident was caused by a tire failure. Left front went down, I think. Sucks for him, really. He had that race stolen from him left and right.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 18 Jun 2013, 02:22

Hound55 wrote:
Onxy Wrecked wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:Biffle won the race. Johnson got black-flagged for another jumped restart. Two times in three weeks! Then he hit the wall with 3 to go. ROTR for him.

He dodged the black flag, but lost 10 positions to avoid it.

I hope NASCAR's administration decide to loosen up on their rule about beating the other driver to the line. In that situation it was very clear that Johnson bottled up the entire field by slowing down to let Earnhardt Jr. lead to line, nearly causing a very big accident. I feel like if there was a point to be made about that rule, it was made by Johnson then and there.

It's also unfair to award Johnson ROTR when his accident was caused by a tire failure. Left front went down, I think. Sucks for him, really. He had that race stolen from him left and right.

Maybe Hendrick Motorsports in general should get the award?

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 18 Jun 2013, 22:29

go_Rubens wrote:Maybe Hendrick Motorsports in general should get the award?

Dale Jr. for spinning the tires, costing Jimmie Johnson about ten spots, then blowing an engine.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 19 Jun 2013, 00:00

Onxy Wrecked wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:Maybe Hendrick Motorsports in general should get the award?

Dale Jr. for spinning the tires, costing Jimmie Johnson about ten spots, then blowing an engine.

Yeah, I can agree with this, but Hendrick had a really crap day considering that three of their cars led the race at some point and all three were nowhere near the race win at the end. Or was it all four?

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 19 Jun 2013, 00:14

go_Rubens wrote:
Onxy Wrecked wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:Maybe Hendrick Motorsports in general should get the award?

Dale Jr. for spinning the tires, costing Jimmie Johnson about ten spots, then blowing an engine.

Yeah, I can agree with this, but Hendrick had a really crap day considering that three of their cars led the race at some point and all three were nowhere near the race win at the end. Or was it all four?

Kahne: Tire failure and crash
Gordon: Crash with Bobby Labonte
Earnhardt Jr.: Engine Failure
Johnson: Tire failure with three to go trying to chase down Biffle.
I guess all four had bad days.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 22 Jun 2013, 20:07

Sears Point qualifying for the Cup race:

Ambrose 2nd
Montoya 13th
Johnson 19th
Labonte 20th
Villeneuve 22nd
Said 24th (he doesn't give up, does he?)
Jr. 26th
Danica 31st :lol:

and Tomy Drissi is back!

I also love the title of this weekends Nationwide race:
Johnsonville Sausage 200 at Road America.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 22 Jun 2013, 21:14

Jocke1 wrote:Sears Point qualifying for the Cup race:

Ambrose 2nd
Montoya 13th
Johnson 19th
Labonte 20th
Villeneuve 22nd
Said 24th (he doesn't give up, does he?)
Jr. 26th
Danica 31st

and Tomy Drissi is back!

I also love the title of this weekends Nationwide race:
Johnsonville Sausage 200 at Road America.

Jamie McMurray wins the pole? I didn't expect that he'd out qualify Juan Pablo Montoya here.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 22 Jun 2013, 21:23

Onxy Wrecked wrote:
Jocke1 wrote:Sears Point qualifying for the Cup race:

Ambrose 2nd
Montoya 13th
Johnson 19th
Labonte 20th
Villeneuve 22nd
Said 24th (he doesn't give up, does he?)
Jr. 26th
Danica 31st

and Tomy Drissi is back!

I also love the title of this weekends Nationwide race:
Johnsonville Sausage 200 at Road America.

Jamie McMurray wins the pole? I didn't expect that he'd out qualify Juan Pablo Montoya here.

Especially since Montoya is the road course specialist

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 22 Jun 2013, 21:27

roblomas52 wrote:
Onxy Wrecked wrote:Jamie McMurray wins the pole? I didn't expect that he'd out qualify Juan Pablo Montoya here.

Especially since Montoya is the road course specialist

Jamie's not particularly bad at them, but Montoya has over one hundred more road course starts than Jamie. This shouldn't be happening.

golic_2004 · Post by **golic_2004** » 23 Jun 2013, 00:43

MAX SLAPPIS :lol:

what last name rhymes with slappis

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 23 Jun 2013, 02:04

golic_2004 wrote:MAX SLAPPIS

what last name rhymes with slappis

Papis?

golic_2004 · Post by **golic_2004** » 23 Jun 2013, 12:10

JeremyMcClean wrote:
golic_2004 wrote:MAX SLAPPIS

what last name rhymes with slappis

Papis?

Yup. And Max Papis just Bathplug-Slapped driver Billy Johnson across his helmet after the Nationwide race at Road America for being spun out with a couple laps to go. And @ekmcc24 on twitter thought of the nickname MaxSlappis.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 24 Jun 2013, 15:30

Martin Truex Jr. wins Sonoma! Congrats!

I haven't seen the whole race yet, but someone spoiled the winner for me! So ROTR nominations I'll wait on.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 24 Jun 2013, 18:32

go_Rubens wrote:Martin Truex Jr. wins Sonoma! Congrats!

I haven't seen the whole race yet, but someone spoiled the winner for me! So ROTR nominations I'll wait on.

The Busch Brothers
Kurt, fastest car was reduced to a fifth place due to speeding penalties that put him a lap down pretty much throwing away a certain win.
Kyle, spun out by Juan Pablo Montoya from 9th to 27th, then crashes a few more times to a 35th place finish behind the likes of Danica Patrick, Travis Kvapil, Josh Wise, and David Ragan.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 24 Jun 2013, 20:32

Jocke1 wrote:
I also love the title of this weekends Nationwide race:
Johnsonville Sausage 200 at Road America.

Since neither Johanna Long, Danica Patrick, the Cope's, or Jennifer Jo Cobb raced (and no other women racers),
you could say that the race was a real sausage fest.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 28 Jun 2013, 03:04

ROTR for Kyle Busch for the NCWTS race. Once passed by Dillon, he was depressing.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 28 Jun 2013, 06:00

go_Rubens wrote:ROTR for Kyle Busch for the NCWTS race. Once passed by Dillon, he was depressing.

Shrub does that when his car is inadequate after dominating or even leading.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 30 Jun 2013, 02:31

Onxy, are you and I the only ones who even pay attention to NASCAR for half the dang season?

Well, I tried to tune in to the race, but TNT is showing a TV show, not NASCAR. Is the race over?

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 30 Jun 2013, 02:49

go_Rubens wrote:Onxy, are you and I the only ones who even pay attention to NASCAR for half the dang season?

Well, I tried to tune in to the race, but TNT is showing a TV show, not NASCAR. Is the race over?

Cancelled until noon tomorrow due to rain.

Hound55 · Post by **Hound55** » 30 Jun 2013, 05:38

go_Rubens wrote:Onxy, are you and I the only ones who even pay attention to NASCAR for half the dang season?

*cough cough* I watch nearly every race of the season *cough*

RealRacingRoots · Post by **RealRacingRoots** » 30 Jun 2013, 05:48

Onxy Wrecked wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:Onxy, are you and I the only ones who even pay attention to NASCAR for half the dang season?

Well, I tried to tune in to the race, but TNT is showing a TV show, not NASCAR. Is the race over?

Cancelled until noon tomorrow due to rain.

Which means we'll get a Day Race, on a green and bumpy track, with cars setup for the night. It's going to be good. And I do attempt to keep an eye on the goings on in NASCAR, where it's never a dull moment.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 30 Jun 2013, 06:46

Hound55 wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:Onxy, are you and I the only ones who even pay attention to NASCAR for half the dang season?

*cough cough* I watch nearly every race of the season *cough*

I try to using no Sky tv coverage and a quick read of autosport every saturday

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 30 Jun 2013, 08:19

roblomas52 wrote:
Hound55 wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:Onxy, are you and I the only ones who even pay attention to NASCAR for half the dang season?

*cough cough* I watch nearly every race of the season *cough*

I try to using no Sky tv coverage and a quick read of autosport every saturday

I also keep up with Nascar, if I should miss a race I always make sure to look up the results.
F1, MotoGP and Nascar are the three series I care about most.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 30 Jun 2013, 14:44

I mean ones who seem to regularly post here. Sorry for being vague.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 05 Jul 2013, 01:26

Whoa boy, this is a massive NASCAR cheating scandal with 31 of the 80+ teams this weekend having their roof flaps confiscated for breaking NASCAR rules.

http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup/st ... s-31-teams

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 14 Jul 2013, 16:42

dr-baker wrote:OK, so I have a really significant question, that I hope somebody can answer (and which I hope that I will be able to debate). Today, I saw my first ever live oval race trackside! Pick-up trucks at Rockingham Motor Speedway! (The rest of this post will make it clear which of the two Rockingham Speedway ovals I am referring to!) OK, so there was no Nelson Piquet Jnr., there were only 16 trucks, averaging 150 mph or so, around the 1.5 mile, 4-turn oval, and each of the two races each last 35 laps (approx 25-30 mins), with Vauxhall-branded trucks winning. So, it's England (of course it is, considering I am half-way through an 8-week placement in north London...). So yesterday, they go out on a damp, but drying track, and they are able to go and practice and qualify without incident for 30 minutes (the only incident of any note was one truck getting sideways on cold tyres as he was leaving the pits at the very start of the session. No yellows, nothing hit, and the truck goes on to compete in the session as if nothing had happened). Their first race is in the dry and the race is great, with the two leading trucks finishing the race 0.05 seconds apart, while lapping a gaggle of four other trucks (none of whom had yet been shown the 'last-lap' flag yet, so both flags were being waved concurrently as two of the four were deemed to have been lapped while two had not as all 6 crossed the line within a second of each other. Wished I had a photo of that...). But the second race was really rather wet. And guess what? THEY RACED AT 150 mph OR SO CONTINUOUSLY FOR 35 LAPS! One truck at one point got sideways while alongside another, but escaped hitting anything and continued on his way without a safety car. Another did spin, and glanced the pit wall, but no major damage or debris, and he too got going, but only after all the other trucks had passed (waiting sensibly for a safe moment - only problem is that the safety car had already been deployed in the meantime. Que sera sera).

So my question is: since I have now watched American-style pickup trucks racing on a 1.5 mile American-style oval without major incident, why on earth don't Americans race on ovals in the rain? (At least, the junior series? I might allow a bit of slack for those series attaining 200+ mph round these tracks...).

OK, so I had an answer to my question at the time, but I have found footage of the final few laps of that race. And seeing the number 22 (which you're riding onboard with) and number 74 racing to the line, seperated by a small gap, whilst lapping across the line, was epic. Must have been confusing for those who were being lapped to know if they were still racing for another lap or not... And I thought at the time the race was all over at 1:10 in the video, but as you see, there was still a minute+ left of racing...

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 14 Jul 2013, 17:04

dr-baker wrote:
dr-baker wrote:OK, so I have a really significant question, that I hope somebody can answer (and which I hope that I will be able to debate). Today, I saw my first ever live oval race trackside! Pick-up trucks at Rockingham Motor Speedway! (The rest of this post will make it clear which of the two Rockingham Speedway ovals I am referring to!) OK, so there was no Nelson Piquet Jnr., there were only 16 trucks, averaging 150 mph or so, around the 1.5 mile, 4-turn oval, and each of the two races each last 35 laps (approx 25-30 mins), with Vauxhall-branded trucks winning. So, it's England (of course it is, considering I am half-way through an 8-week placement in north London...). So yesterday, they go out on a damp, but drying track, and they are able to go and practice and qualify without incident for 30 minutes (the only incident of any note was one truck getting sideways on cold tyres as he was leaving the pits at the very start of the session. No yellows, nothing hit, and the truck goes on to compete in the session as if nothing had happened). Their first race is in the dry and the race is great, with the two leading trucks finishing the race 0.05 seconds apart, while lapping a gaggle of four other trucks (none of whom had yet been shown the 'last-lap' flag yet, so both flags were being waved concurrently as two of the four were deemed to have been lapped while two had not as all 6 crossed the line within a second of each other. Wished I had a photo of that...). But the second race was really rather wet. And guess what? THEY RACED AT 150 mph OR SO CONTINUOUSLY FOR 35 LAPS! One truck at one point got sideways while alongside another, but escaped hitting anything and continued on his way without a safety car. Another did spin, and glanced the pit wall, but no major damage or debris, and he too got going, but only after all the other trucks had passed (waiting sensibly for a safe moment - only problem is that the safety car had already been deployed in the meantime. Que sera sera).

So my question is: since I have now watched American-style pickup trucks racing on a 1.5 mile American-style oval without major incident, why on earth don't Americans race on ovals in the rain? (At least, the junior series? I might allow a bit of slack for those series attaining 200+ mph round these tracks...).

OK, so I had an answer to my question at the time, but I have found footage of the final few laps of that race. And seeing the number 22 (which you're riding onboard with) and number 74 racing to the line, seperated by a small gap, whilst lapping across the line, was epic. Must have been confusing for those who were being lapped to know if they were still racing for another lap or not... And I thought at the time the race was all over at 1:10 in the video, but as you see, there was still a minute+ left of racing...

Well, I would assume that because the ovals here in the U.S., are not designed for wet weather in mind, coupled with the fact that they use slicks, it would be highly unlikely that they would have tires capable for oval racing for the wet. This video probably explains why wet weather racing on ovals wouldn't work.