Your Reject of the Race - Britain

Post by **Londoner** » 29 Jun 2013, 18:46

With the news that Di Resta's car was found to be underweight in scruitineering, Force India are now the frontrunners for the award, as that is a massive opportunity for a podium all but lost.

Ferrari have been off the pace all day, and were especially lucky to get Alonso into Q3. A poor result here, and I fear that'll be the end of Alonso's championship bid.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 29 Jun 2013, 18:52

Alonso has seasons like 2012, where he drives an inferior car to the top. However he can't keep that up this year with a car seeming to get worse. Therefore, my early nomination is Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro. For being crap.

Force India seems like a viable nomination, but if they do well on race day, as di Resta has shown he can do from the back of the grid, and Sutil in what seems to be 6th, then Force India only set up an IIDOTR, not a ROTR.

I will also go out and say that the luck of the Brits (excluding Hamilton) needs to be mentioned.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 29 Jun 2013, 18:58

Ferrari for an off-the-pace weekend so far. Alonso was slowest in Q3 and I blame the poor pace and the effects of the Monaco crashes for Massa getting eliminated in Q2.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 29 Jun 2013, 19:05

Ferrari seems like the logical choice like now, I'd think.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 29 Jun 2013, 19:12

Remember, Alonso was around 9th (or so) in Canada, and clawed his way back to second in the race. Don't give up on Ferrari yet. However, it still baffles me how Force India managed to put Sutil's car legal but di Resta's underweight. Hmm...

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 29 Jun 2013, 19:53

Paul Di Resta home race curse: qualify dream to post-qualify nightmare.

Post by **Ataxia** » 29 Jun 2013, 19:56

JeremyMcClean wrote:Remember, Alonso was around 9th (or so) in Canada, and clawed his way back to second in the race. Don't give up on Ferrari yet. However, it still baffles me how Force India managed to put Sutil's car legal but di Resta's underweight. Hmm...

That's the last time Di Resta takes dietary tips from Victoria Beckham...

Post by **mario** » 29 Jun 2013, 20:17

Ataxia wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:Remember, Alonso was around 9th (or so) in Canada, and clawed his way back to second in the race. Don't give up on Ferrari yet. However, it still baffles me how Force India managed to put Sutil's car legal but di Resta's underweight. Hmm...

That's the last time Di Resta takes dietary tips from Victoria Beckham...

You're closer to what is claimed to be the reason why he was disqualified, which was the suggestion going round at the moment that di Resta was found to be lighter than expected. I still fail to see how a normal, healthy individual could lose 1.5kg over one or two days, despite having been weighed by the team and found to be no lighter than normal beforehand, so you have to wonder whether the stewards have either made a mistake or used defective equipment.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 29 Jun 2013, 22:06

mario wrote:
Ataxia wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:Remember, Alonso was around 9th (or so) in Canada, and clawed his way back to second in the race. Don't give up on Ferrari yet. However, it still baffles me how Force India managed to put Sutil's car legal but di Resta's underweight. Hmm...

That's the last time Di Resta takes dietary tips from Victoria Beckham...

You're closer to what is claimed to be the reason why he was disqualified, which was the suggestion going round at the moment that di Resta was found to be lighter than expected. I still fail to see how a normal, healthy individual could lose 1.5kg over one or two days, despite having been weighed by the team and found to be no lighter than normal beforehand, so you have to wonder whether the stewards have either made a mistake or used defective equipment.

Usually, wouldn't you need to have d&v, or the 'flu or something to loose that much weight? (Or give birth to a baby if you are female)

Svenko Wankerov · Post by **Svenko Wankerov** » 29 Jun 2013, 22:36

Dj_bereta wrote:Paul Di Resta home race curse: qualify dream to post-qualify nightmare.

It's more karma than curse when it keeps happening to someone that fully deserves it...

Post by **Ataxia** » 29 Jun 2013, 22:37

dr-baker wrote:
mario wrote:
Ataxia wrote:That's the last time Di Resta takes dietary tips from Victoria Beckham...

You're closer to what is claimed to be the reason why he was disqualified, which was the suggestion going round at the moment that di Resta was found to be lighter than expected. I still fail to see how a normal, healthy individual could lose 1.5kg over one or two days, despite having been weighed by the team and found to be no lighter than normal beforehand, so you have to wonder whether the stewards have either made a mistake or used defective equipment.

Usually, wouldn't you need to have d&v, or the 'flu or something to loose that much weight? (Or give birth to a baby if you are female)

Or he drank his Buckfast, and threw away the bottle it came in?

Svenko Wankerov wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:Paul Di Resta home race curse: qualify dream to post-qualify nightmare.

It's more karma than curse when it keeps happening to someone that fully deserves it...

I don't think he deserves it. He's driven very well this season.

I'm not a fan of Di Resta, but I don't understand why he's such a hate-magnet around here. Maybe he makes the odd whingy or egotistical comment, but doesn't every sportsman?

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 29 Jun 2013, 22:49

Ataxia wrote:
Svenko Wankerov wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:Paul Di Resta home race curse: qualify dream to post-qualify nightmare.

It's more karma than curse when it keeps happening to someone that fully deserves it...

I don't think he deserves it. He's driven very well this season.

I'm not a fan of Di Resta, but I don't understand why he's such a hate-magnet around here. Maybe he makes the odd whingy or egotistical comment, but doesn't every sportsman?

Yeah, speaking of a fan of di Resta, it is quite wearing to read some of the comments about him on this forum, and for some reason, there are has been plenty more di Resta narkiness recently than before. I am always game for a debate, so long as its reasonable and balanced, but some of the stuff I've seen here recently (some of the stuff about Red Bull as well) is verging on one-eyed fanboyism, which I have no time for. Suffice to say, its slowly turning me off this forum

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 29 Jun 2013, 22:52

Svenko Wankerov wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:Paul Di Resta home race curse: qualify dream to post-qualify nightmare.

It's more karma than curse when it keeps happening to someone that fully deserves it...

Why is Paul di Resta such a freakin' hate magnet here? It makes no sense. How does he "fully deserve" it, may I ask? He has driven very well this year, and has done nothing that makes him deserve to be such a hate magnet this year. Nothing notable, anyway. I don't like him a lot either, I think he is overrated, but he lives up to his hype. I've also found some of your opinions fairly pointed and they have no explanation. So can you please explain why? It may clear a few things up here...

takagi_for_the_win wrote:Yeah, speaking of a fan of di Resta, it is quite wearing to read some of the comments about him on this forum, and for some reason, there are has been plenty more di Resta narkiness recently than before. I am always game for a debate, so long as its reasonable and balanced, but some of the stuff I've seen here recently (some of the stuff about Red Bull as well) is verging on one-eyed fanboyism, which I have no time for. Suffice to say, its slowly turning me off this forum

This. +1

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 29 Jun 2013, 23:09

Svenko Wankerov wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:Paul Di Resta home race curse: qualify dream to post-qualify nightmare.

It's more karma than curse when it keeps happening to someone that fully deserves it...

di Resta is a douchebag, but I don't see how that makes him deserving of this...

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 29 Jun 2013, 23:29

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Svenko Wankerov wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:Paul Di Resta home race curse: qualify dream to post-qualify nightmare.

It's more karma than curse when it keeps happening to someone that fully deserves it...

di Resta is a douchebag, but I don't see how that makes him deserving of this...

I think the same thing.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 30 Jun 2013, 02:26

Ataxia wrote:Or he drank his Buckfast, and threw away the bottle it came in?

And he drank all the Sunny D as well like the Glaswegian Rhapsody says.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 30 Jun 2013, 02:27

Onxy Wrecked wrote:
Ataxia wrote:Or he drank his Buckfast, and threw away the bottle it came in?

And he drank all the Sunny D as well like the Glaswegian Rhapsody says.

And he'll cap it off with drinking milk before the race

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 30 Jun 2013, 06:10

Di Resta-hate or not, he could very well provide some entertainment catching up from the back of the pack. A possible top 10 result is still on the cards for him, seeing that Force India could be the 4th best car right now behind Red Bull, Mercedes and Lotus (I believe their race pace will be better). Alonso could pull off a charge to 5th, but no higher if Mercedes' tire wear isn't that bad on Silverstone.

However, given Ferrari's qualifying performance - and onboard laps -, they will be happy to scrap around 10 points total, and this pace, coming from a frontrunner team, is quite rejectful. Taking their one-lap speed into account, both Ferraris should have been in the top 10, but Massa seems to be broken mentally again after all these accidents he had. He is almost certainly on his way out.

McLaren suffers from the 2009 syndrome. No matter what the team throws onto the car, it doesn't respond. Toro Rosso is ahead of them. Force India is ahead of them. If their race result will be outside the points again, they could snap up the RotR. If Red Bull wants to play a trick on them, they should give more support to the sister team to cut the disadvantage in the points to the Woking squad - given their recent performance, Toro Rosso is very well capable of finishing ahead of McLaren in the WCC.

The race will probably throw up a different RotR, but after qualifying, Ferrari and McLaren are aspiring for it.

Svenko Wankerov · Post by **Svenko Wankerov** » 30 Jun 2013, 06:48

Di Resta publicly rips his team for what was essentially bad luck, when he is lucky to have a good car to begin with. He has done absolutely nothing to suggest that he does better than any average F1 driver would do in his car. His attitude of entitlement makes him completely deserving of anything bad coming his way.

Sutil has had even worse luck and you don't see him going off about how awful FI is to the press.

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 30 Jun 2013, 08:30

Channel 7 - What was it that made F1 make their evening news? Was it Webber's retirement? Ricciardo's qualifying effort? Nope.

It was a crash in GP3. They showed a replay of it and then said "Australia's Mark Webber and Daniel Ricciardo have qualified 5th and 6th respectively."

Svenko Wankerov · Post by **Svenko Wankerov** » 30 Jun 2013, 12:21

Pirelli has this one locked up.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 30 Jun 2013, 12:30

Pirelli so far.

Ed24 · Post by **Ed24** » 30 Jun 2013, 12:31

PIRELLI

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 30 Jun 2013, 12:32

I won't make my official top three until after the race, but Pirelli have seemed to lock this one up. This is unacceptable.

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 30 Jun 2013, 12:32

rachel1990 · Post by **rachel1990** » 30 Jun 2013, 12:33

Pirelli by a mile this time. what a disgrace

pablo_h · Post by **pablo_h** » 30 Jun 2013, 12:41

Yeah, the pirelli tyres.
What a shocker!

Enforcer · Post by **Enforcer** » 30 Jun 2013, 12:42

Pirelli have it in the bag, but the FIA deserve an honourable mention - they wanted high wear tires, this is a side effect of that decision.

Post by **mario** » 30 Jun 2013, 12:44

Enforcer wrote:Pirelli have it in the bag, but the FIA deserve an honourable mention - they wanted high wear tires, this is a side effect of that decision.

I think that this is going to be a foregone conclusion after the race - that said, I'd blame FOM rather than the FIA given that the latter seems keen to have Pirelli replaced with Michelin (who have stated that they would prefer to make more, rather than less, durable tyres).

tristan1117 · Post by **tristan1117** » 30 Jun 2013, 13:18

Well, we won't have to wait until Enoch gets back to find out ROTR for this one.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 30 Jun 2013, 13:42

tristan1117 wrote:Well, we won't have to wait until Enoch gets back to find out ROTR for this one.

Well, Pirelli hands down deserve this. Even the chump strategists at FI and guys in their garage are nowhere near Pirelli. Or Ferrari, for that matter.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 30 Jun 2013, 13:44

Pirelli by a country mile.

REJECT OF THE RACE
Pirelli
5 failures in one weekend

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 30 Jun 2013, 13:44

good_Ralf wrote:Pirelli by a country mile.

REJECT OF THE RACE
Pirelli
5 failures in one weekend

Just like Hungary '03 when Cosworth had 5 failures in a weekend for their engines.

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 30 Jun 2013, 13:46

Pirelli. Poorly built tyres, plus hopeless degradation ruining it for Sutil and Ricciardo.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 30 Jun 2013, 13:46

Pirelli. What in the bathplug was that?

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 30 Jun 2013, 13:47

Shizuka wrote:Pirelli. What in the bathplug was that?

Exactly.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 30 Jun 2013, 13:48

go_Rubens wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:Pirelli by a country mile.

REJECT OF THE RACE
Pirelli
5 failures in one weekend

Just like Hungary '03 when Cosworth had 5 failures in a weekend for their engines.

I was just going to say that, actually. But this was way more dangerous. Pirelli aren't going to be in F1 for much longer.

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 30 Jun 2013, 13:48

*walks into thread*
Pirelli
*walks out of thread*

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 30 Jun 2013, 13:48

Tricky one. I didn't like Lotus using team orders and being so flippant about it... no it's Pirelli, it's only going to be Pirelli.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 30 Jun 2013, 13:49

good_Ralf wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:Pirelli by a country mile.

REJECT OF THE RACE
Pirelli
5 failures in one weekend

Just like Hungary '03 when Cosworth had 5 failures in a weekend for their engines.

I was just going to say that, actually. But this was way more dangerous. Pirelli aren't going to be in F1 for much longer.

I don't think so. Bring back Michelin!