Unpopular F1 opinions

Post by **Ataxia** » 03 Jul 2013, 10:25

Sky needs Georgie Thompson back.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 03 Jul 2013, 10:28

Ataxia wrote:Sky needs Georgie Thompson back.

Why?. She hardly did anything other than stand like a robot in high heels

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 03 Jul 2013, 10:46

Kimi-ICE wrote:
Ataxia wrote:Sky needs Georgie Thompson back.

Why?. She hardly did anything other than stand like a robot in high heels

Midget robot! In high heels she was still shorter than Ant Davidson.

SgtPepper · Post by **SgtPepper** » 03 Jul 2013, 11:03

Massa and Grosjean don't deserve seats in top teams anymore.

Gerudo Dragon · Post by **Gerudo Dragon** » 03 Jul 2013, 15:25

SgtPepper wrote:Massa and Grosjean don't deserve seats in top teams anymore.

Grosjean: I agree.

Massa: Not so sure.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 03 Jul 2013, 16:01

SgtPepper wrote:Massa and Grosjean don't deserve seats in top teams anymore.

Grosjean: certainly not on this seasons form, but I still feel that if he is nurtured properly, he could be a future champion. He showed last season that he has the latent pace to challenge, but he needs his head to be in the right place.

Massa: based on 2012 spec Massa, I would have to agree with you. However, it looks like Felipe has pulled his finger out and is delivering some decent results at present. How long for is another question entirely of course

ibsey · Post by **ibsey** » 03 Jul 2013, 18:50

East Londoner wrote:
Salamander wrote:
FullMetalJack wrote:By that logic, Frentzen should have been disqualified at Nurburgring '99 for jumping the first start, vrfore there was a red flag.

Except he didn't jump the start because the start was aborted, because the officials botched the procedure.

Here's what happened back in 1999. I don't think anyone on the grid knew what was going on, because the first 5 cars drive off, most of the midfield stays where they are, and a few cars at the back also pull away.

This is what Wikipedia says on the matter;

On race day the track was dry but the start was delayed when Zanardi and Gené lined up out of sequence on the grid, necessitating another formation lap. As the start was aborted during the start lights' sequence the top five qualifiers and another car actually jumped the start but were not penalised due to the aborting of the start.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_European_Grand_Prix

I’ll need to dig out my old tape of that race to be sure on this. However IIRC when Ross Brawn was interviewed by ITV’s James Allen, following that ‘false start’ IIRC Ross said something like; “You can’t jump a start that didn’t happen”. Worth noting also that Ross was then working for Ferrari and neither Ferrari driver had jumped the start at that attempt. So it would very much be in Ross’ interests to get those ‘false starters’ DSQ. Instead he chose not to.

Also I seem to remember Martin Brundle in his capacity as ITV’s commentator, agreeing with Ross’s comments & talking about how in that situation, once one driver left the line. It would have acted as a ‘trigger’ for the others (a bit like in a 100m sprint race, when a jump start occurs).

TheBigJ · Post by **TheBigJ** » 03 Jul 2013, 20:27

I know this is obvious, but it seems I am the only one actually backing Pirelli's efforts to make racing exciting by degradable tyres. I'm sorry but the Bridgestone days were tedious, and now that refueling has gone it would be the processional races Paul Hembry describes. I admire Pirelli for having the balls to put their reputation on the line.

Anyway, as a compromise, I believe Pirelli should make the prime tyre an extremely durable long lasting tyre that won't degrade as easily as it does now but more importantly makes sure the option is much faster than the prime and competitive on race day.

Just my apparently unpopular opinion now that everybody has overreacted to the Silverstone debacle, which was sensationalised by the media and, surprise surprise, the guys who lost out.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 03 Jul 2013, 22:40

Ataxia wrote:Sky needs Georgie Thompson back.

She should have stuck to Sky Sports News. Part of the reason being because that's the only Sky Sports channel I currently have.

Post by **mario** » 04 Jul 2013, 07:18

takagi_for_the_win wrote:
SgtPepper wrote:Massa and Grosjean don't deserve seats in top teams anymore.

Grosjean: certainly not on this seasons form, but I still feel that if he is nurtured properly, he could be a future champion. He showed last season that he has the latent pace to challenge, but he needs his head to be in the right place.

Massa: based on 2012 spec Massa, I would have to agree with you. However, it looks like Felipe has pulled his finger out and is delivering some decent results at present. How long for is another question entirely of course

In the case of Grosjean, I am not entirely sure that the Lotus team are the sort of team that can nurture a driver and help them develop properly. It is a team that has always traditionally focussed itself around a lead driver, and it is clear that Kimi is the number one driver at the team right now. With that heavy bias towards one driver, I feel that Grosjean is being neglected a bit, to the detriment of both his, and ultimately Lotus's, result.
Consider, for example, the fact that Lotus were not planning to let Grosjean test the Melbourne spec package in pre-season testing (he ended up with half a day to test it due to Kimi being ill), before being denied that same upgrade package for the first two races. Similarly, in Silverstone it was Kimi, not Grosjean, that received the latest upgrade package, although it now looks as if Grosjean is getting that package for the German GP.

That uneven treatment, coupled with Grosjean having a couple of clumsy races, means he now has just a lowly 26 points, putting him just one point ahead of Button despite having a much better car at his disposal. He should be doing better, but I do not think that the team is invested enough in Grosjean to actually care about lifting his results, which is ultimately shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to the WCC and the prize money associated with it.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 04 Jul 2013, 12:31

mario wrote:
takagi_for_the_win wrote:
SgtPepper wrote:Massa and Grosjean don't deserve seats in top teams anymore.

Grosjean: certainly not on this seasons form, but I still feel that if he is nurtured properly, he could be a future champion. He showed last season that he has the latent pace to challenge, but he needs his head to be in the right place.

Massa: based on 2012 spec Massa, I would have to agree with you. However, it looks like Felipe has pulled his finger out and is delivering some decent results at present. How long for is another question entirely of course

In the case of Grosjean, I am not entirely sure that the Lotus team are the sort of team that can nurture a driver and help them develop properly. It is a team that has always traditionally focussed itself around a lead driver, and it is clear that Kimi is the number one driver at the team right now. With that heavy bias towards one driver, I feel that Grosjean is being neglected a bit, to the detriment of both his, and ultimately Lotus's, result.
Consider, for example, the fact that Lotus were not planning to let Grosjean test the Melbourne spec package in pre-season testing (he ended up with half a day to test it due to Kimi being ill), before being denied that same upgrade package for the first two races. Similarly, in Silverstone it was Kimi, not Grosjean, that received the latest upgrade package, although it now looks as if Grosjean is getting that package for the German GP.

That uneven treatment, coupled with Grosjean having a couple of clumsy races, means he now has just a lowly 26 points, putting him just one point ahead of Button despite having a much better car at his disposal. He should be doing better, but I do not think that the team is invested enough in Grosjean to actually care about lifting his results, which is ultimately shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to the WCC and the prize money associated with it.

I find this a massive waste, as Grosjean proved at the start of last season that when his head is in the right place, he is incredibly quick. I reckon he needs to get out of Lotus as they can't provide him with the encouragement he needs, but really, thinking about it, there aren't many environments in F1 where someone of a frail psyche could really feel welcome

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 05 Jul 2013, 10:39

FullMetalJack wrote:
Ataxia wrote:Sky needs Georgie Thompson back.

She should have stuck to Sky Sports News. Part of the reason being because that's the only Sky Sports channel I currently have.

Baker's Law is widening...

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 05 Jul 2013, 11:31

dr-baker wrote:
FullMetalJack wrote:
Ataxia wrote:Sky needs Georgie Thompson back.

She should have stuck to Sky Sports News. Part of the reason being because that's the only Sky Sports channel I currently have.

Georgie's bum is widening...

fixed

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 05 Jul 2013, 11:38

Jocke1 wrote:
dr-baker wrote:
FullMetalJack wrote:

She should have stuck to Sky Sports News. Part of the reason being because that's the only Sky Sports channel I currently have.

Georgie's bum is widening...

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:lol:

Jocke you are a legend

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 05 Jul 2013, 21:23

Ralf Schumacher's voice is great because it sounds a bit squeakier than that of his brother. It sounds as though Ralf takes on tiny amounts of helium.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 05 Jul 2013, 22:29

Jocke1 wrote:
dr-baker wrote:
FullMetalJack wrote:She should have stuck to Sky Sports News. Part of the reason being because that's the only Sky Sports channel I currently have.

Georgie's bum is widening...

fixed

No objection from me.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 07 Jul 2013, 18:13

Some F1 team needs to give Fabio Leimer and Stefano Coletti F1 drives. I don't care who.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 07 Jul 2013, 18:19

go_Rubens wrote:Some F1 team needs to give Fabio Leimer and Stefano Coletti F1 drives. I don't care who.

No. The GP2 field is mostly garbage, the only drivers there now that I rate are Sam Bird, James Calado, and, of course, Robin Frijns.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 07 Jul 2013, 18:34

Salamander wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:Some F1 team needs to give Fabio Leimer and Stefano Coletti F1 drives. I don't care who.

No. The GP2 field is mostly garbage, the only drivers there now that I rate are Sam Bird, James Calado, and, of course, Robin Frijns.

Of the garbage pile look no further than the back row of the feature race in Germany. Simon Trummer and Jake Rosenzweig. Wsrgo pointed out in the actual thread that Rosenzweig only has 1 podium in his entire racing career so i don't know why he's in GP2 with that sort of pedigree considering he has DBTMOTY against Aleshin in 2010 at Carlin in FR3.5. Trummer for me is the Andy Neate of GP2 not in terms of driving standard but in terms of being DBTMOTR material. I'm surprised no one was shocked when he got chose over Evans and Williamson for Arden's GP2 onslaught in 2012 where he got absolutely minced by Razia 222-4 in terms of points and it's happening again this season too as he's trailing Coletti 135-8 in terms of points. But there's hardly any mention of him in the GP2/GP3 thread which is surprising

Post by **mario** » 07 Jul 2013, 20:04

Kimi-ICE wrote:
Salamander wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:Some F1 team needs to give Fabio Leimer and Stefano Coletti F1 drives. I don't care who.

No. The GP2 field is mostly garbage, the only drivers there now that I rate are Sam Bird, James Calado, and, of course, Robin Frijns.

Of the garbage pile look no further than the back row of the feature race in Germany. Simon Trummer and Jake Rosenzweig. Wsrgo pointed out in the actual thread that Rosenzweig only has 1 podium in his entire racing career so i don't know why he's in GP2 with that sort of pedigree considering he has DBTMOTY against Aleshin in 2010 at Carlin in FR3.5. Trummer for me is the Andy Neate of GP2 not in terms of driving standard but in terms of being DBTMOTR material. I'm surprised no one was shocked when he got chose over Evans and Williamson for Arden's GP2 onslaught in 2012 where he got absolutely minced by Razia 222-4 in terms of points and it's happening again this season too as he's trailing Coletti 135-8 in terms of points. But there's hardly any mention of him in the GP2/GP3 thread which is surprising

The answer to that, to adapt an earlier comment in this thread, is probably because the team owners wallet has been widening...

I have to agree, though, that there are some drivers within the GP2 field who lack the maturity and capability to be in cars of that performance level - as many within this forum might agree, it is one thing to be endearingly incompetent but another thing to be a hazard to others. It's also hardly an unpopular opinion to suggest that the stewards in GP2 are increasingly incompetent given the leniency with which they have shown towards some of the more blatant pieces of dangerous driving on track...

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 07 Jul 2013, 21:17

Kimi-ICE wrote:
Salamander wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:Some F1 team needs to give Fabio Leimer and Stefano Coletti F1 drives. I don't care who.

No. The GP2 field is mostly garbage, the only drivers there now that I rate are Sam Bird, James Calado, and, of course, Robin Frijns.

Of the garbage pile look no further than the back row of the feature race in Germany. Simon Trummer and Jake Rosenzweig. Wsrgo pointed out in the actual thread that Rosenzweig only has 1 podium in his entire racing career so i don't know why he's in GP2 with that sort of pedigree considering he has DBTMOTY against Aleshin in 2010 at Carlin in FR3.5. Trummer for me is the Andy Neate of GP2 not in terms of driving standard but in terms of being DBTMOTR material. I'm surprised no one was shocked when he got chose over Evans and Williamson for Arden's GP2 onslaught in 2012 where he got absolutely minced by Razia 222-4 in terms of points and it's happening again this season too as he's trailing Coletti 135-8 in terms of points. But there's hardly any mention of him in the GP2/GP3 thread which is surprising

Rosenzweig makes Scott Speed and Brian Vickers look like racing gods.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 08 Jul 2013, 00:11

Onxy Wrecked wrote:Rosenzweig makes Scott Speed and Brian Vickers look like racing gods.

He is pretty rejectful, mind you :lol:

He hasn't done crap in his whole career. Why is he in GP2 in the first place, God dang it?!

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 08 Jul 2013, 02:23

There's a few drivers in GP2 that I think are ready for F1:

Sam Bird
Stefano Coletti
Robert Frijns

And a few who could make the jump in a couple of years:

Tom Dillmann
Jolyon Palmer
Alexander Rossi
Mitch Evans

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 08 Jul 2013, 08:04

Seb Vettel earned his victory yesterday.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 08 Jul 2013, 08:07

CoopsII wrote:Seb Vettel earned his victory yesterday.

100% Yes. As i said that was probably his best win ever.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 08 Jul 2013, 09:24

CoopsII wrote:Seb Vettel earned his victory yesterday.

I agree.

Shadaza · Post by **Shadaza** » 08 Jul 2013, 11:40

Kimi-ICE wrote:
Salamander wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:Some F1 team needs to give Fabio Leimer and Stefano Coletti F1 drives. I don't care who.

No. The GP2 field is mostly garbage, the only drivers there now that I rate are Sam Bird, James Calado, and, of course, Robin Frijns.

Of the garbage pile look no further than the back row of the feature race in Germany. Simon Trummer and Jake Rosenzweig. Wsrgo pointed out in the actual thread that Rosenzweig only has 1 podium in his entire racing career so i don't know why he's in GP2 with that sort of pedigree considering he has DBTMOTY against Aleshin in 2010 at Carlin in FR3.5. Trummer for me is the Andy Neate of GP2 not in terms of driving standard but in terms of being DBTMOTR material. I'm surprised no one was shocked when he got chose over Evans and Williamson for Arden's GP2 onslaught in 2012 where he got absolutely minced by Razia 222-4 in terms of points and it's happening again this season too as he's trailing Coletti 135-8 in terms of points. But there's hardly any mention of him in the GP2/GP3 thread which is surprising

I would say the reason there isn't much mention of him is that he does not crash into things and is performing about as well as expected, clearly there for his money.
Whilst other drivers that are criticised in the thread are the kind of drivers that you would expect much from but end up underperforming.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 08 Jul 2013, 14:37

go_Rubens wrote:
Onxy Wrecked wrote:Rosenzweig makes Scott Speed and Brian Vickers look like racing gods.

He is pretty rejectful, mind you

He hasn't done crap in his whole career. Why is he in GP2 in the first place, God dang it?!

When a driver makes Scott Speed look like a god; he probably couldn't luck his way into a win at the local go kart track.

girry · Post by **girry** » 08 Jul 2013, 16:05

Scott Speed was a decent racing driver, during the last 10 years there have been at least 10 drivers worse than him in Formula One.

girry · Post by **girry** » 08 Jul 2013, 16:05

doubles

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 08 Jul 2013, 16:14

giraurd wrote:Scott Speed was a decent racing driver, during the last 10 years there have been at least 10 drivers worse than him in Formula One.

Yeah, but it doesn't change the fact that he is at best mediocre in nearly everything he's tried.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 08 Jul 2013, 16:17

Salamander wrote:
giraurd wrote:Scott Speed was a decent racing driver, during the last 10 years there have been at least 10 drivers worse than him in Formula One.

Yeah, but it doesn't change the fact that he is at best mediocre in nearly everything he's tried.

In NASCAR, he is pretty pathetic despite being in one of the worst cars.

girry · Post by **girry** » 08 Jul 2013, 17:40

I do not disagree - my statement was just a response to mr Wrecked, who seems to be labeling Scott pretty much the worst driver in history in every third post I see from him.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 08 Jul 2013, 17:52

giraurd wrote:I do not disagree - my statement was just a response to mr Wrecked, who seems to be labeling Scott pretty much the worst driver in history in every third post I see from him.

Ah, fair enough then.

TheBigJ · Post by **TheBigJ** » 08 Jul 2013, 20:13

AdrianSutil wrote:There's a few drivers in GP2 that I think are ready for F1:

Sam Bird
Stefano Coletti
Robert Frijns

And a few who could make the jump in a couple of years:

Tom Dillmann
Jolyon Palmer
Alexander Rossi
Mitch Evans

Where is Johnny Cecottto Jr?

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 08 Jul 2013, 20:15

TheBigJ wrote:
AdrianSutil wrote:There's a few drivers in GP2 that I think are ready for F1:

Sam Bird
Stefano Coletti
Robert Frijns

And a few who could make the jump in a couple of years:

Tom Dillmann
Jolyon Palmer
Alexander Rossi
Mitch Evans

Where is Johnny Cecottto Jr?

Or Felipe Nasr

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 08 Jul 2013, 20:27

TheBigJ wrote:
AdrianSutil wrote:There's a few drivers in GP2 that I think are ready for F1:

Sam Bird
Stefano Coletti
Robert Frijns

And a few who could make the jump in a couple of years:

Tom Dillmann
Jolyon Palmer
Alexander Rossi
Mitch Evans

Where is Johnny Cecottto Jr?

Hopefully, banned for life from all racing forever.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 08 Jul 2013, 21:06

Salamander wrote:
TheBigJ wrote:
AdrianSutil wrote:There's a few drivers in GP2 that I think are ready for F1:

Sam Bird
Stefano Coletti
Robert Frijns

And a few who could make the jump in a couple of years:

Tom Dillmann
Jolyon Palmer
Alexander Rossi
Mitch Evans

Where is Johnny Cecottto Jr?

Hopefully, banned for life from all racing forever.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8oUY191EpGs

This incident makes me cringe at his driving. So does this:

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=giVM7LEA9_I

If he made it into F1, I think he would probably the first second generation F1 driver since Gary Brabham to be profiled! Or am I wrong?

Unpopular Opinion time:

Ferrari had the best car in 1999. They were just unluckier.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 08 Jul 2013, 21:15

go_Rubens wrote:Ferrari had the best car in 1999. They were just unluckier.

Indeed, they were very unlucky to win the constructors' championship despite not having Schumacher for six out of sixteen races.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 08 Jul 2013, 21:25

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:Ferrari had the best car in 1999. They were just unluckier.

Indeed, they were very unlucky to win the constructors' championship despite not having Schumacher for six out of sixteen races.

Keep in mind McLaren dropped 20 easy points due to Hakkinen binning it at Imola and Monza