dr-baker wrote:So my question is: since I have now watched American-style pickup trucks racing on a 1.5 mile American-style oval without major incident, why on earth don't Americans race on ovals in the rain? (At least, the junior series? I might allow a bit of slack for those series attaining 200+ mph round these tracks...).
OK, so I had an answer to my question at the time, but I have found footage of the final few laps of that race. And seeing the number 22 (which you're riding onboard with) and number 74 racing to the line, seperated by a small gap, whilst lapping across the line, was epic. Must have been confusing for those who were being lapped to know if they were still racing for another lap or not... And I thought at the time the race was all over at 1:10 in the video, but as you see, there was still a minute+ left of racing...
Well, I would assume that because the ovals here in the U.S., are not designed for wet weather in mind, coupled with the fact that they use slicks, it would be highly unlikely that they would have tires capable for oval racing for the wet. This video probably explains why wet weather racing on ovals wouldn't work.
When I engineered a car in the 2003 ASCAR championship, we tested a car at the Rockingham oval (the UK one, of course) sometime in June with sort-of wet weather tyres on a wet track. They were actually BF Goodrich tyres designed for mud and they worked fairly well in the wet. Everything was in place in case of a wet race but it never happened.
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dr-baker wrote:So my question is: since I have now watched American-style pickup trucks racing on a 1.5 mile American-style oval without major incident, why on earth don't Americans race on ovals in the rain? (At least, the junior series? I might allow a bit of slack for those series attaining 200+ mph round these tracks...).
OK, so I had an answer to my question at the time, but I have found footage of the final few laps of that race. And seeing the number 22 (which you're riding onboard with) and number 74 racing to the line, seperated by a small gap, whilst lapping across the line, was epic. Must have been confusing for those who were being lapped to know if they were still racing for another lap or not... And I thought at the time the race was all over at 1:10 in the video, but as you see, there was still a minute+ left of racing...
Well, I would assume that because the ovals here in the U.S., are not designed for wet weather in mind, coupled with the fact that they use slicks, it would be highly unlikely that they would have tires capable for oval racing for the wet. This video probably explains why wet weather racing on ovals wouldn't work.
I remember reading in Autosport that a year or two ago, the Nationwide Series used wet-weather tyres at Montreal built by Goodyear... in 1999. Presumably these were always designed for road courses (like Watkins Glen for the Winston Cup/Sprint Cup) rather than ovals then?
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Trucks hit Eldora next week. want to see how that action plays out. but, once again, here's the RCR/Stewart-Haas test footage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V7GJdn9rZE and also a "Wrangler" instead of an "Eagle"
I believe in German BARawnda-Tyrrell-Simca(and it's working)
the only difference between the roman gladiators and racing drivers is that racing drivers sit inside the lion that is trying to kill them.
Which isn't really a bad thing in my eyes. At least it's somewhere.
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Things I was wrong about: Kimi to Ferrari, Perez out of McLaren, Maldonado to Lotus, Kobash comes back, Gutierrez stays, Chilton stays, Boullier leaves Lotus.
so far, the racing in Eldora has been pretty decent. not as much beatin' n bangin' as say, the Latemodel race, but still alright. a couple drivers are running the Freedom 100 Latemodel race later tonight as well and i could say they have adapted well to the heavier trucks. a couple "slide job" passes have been attempted. some successful, many not.
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the only difference between the roman gladiators and racing drivers is that racing drivers sit inside the lion that is trying to kill them.
I caught the last 33 laps. What a race! I'm definitely going next year.
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Things I was wrong about: Kimi to Ferrari, Perez out of McLaren, Maldonado to Lotus, Kobash comes back, Gutierrez stays, Chilton stays, Boullier leaves Lotus.
Mudsummer Classic was very entertaining race . Though I'm still don't understand what causes the dirts become hard and slick Now Nationwide and Sprint will have to find a larger dirt speedway since Eldora is a little bit small. 3/4 mile and 1 mile could do the job
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Dj_bereta wrote:There's speculations that Nelsinho Piquet could be the replacement.
I wouldn't be shocked with him at least for this weekend. I would place money on Nelsinho to make his debut in the Sprint Cup this weekend and then either Kyle Larson (Larson finished second in the race where Tony broke his leg and has been remarkably competitive in the Nationwide Series) or Regan Smith for ovals.
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Dj_bereta wrote:There's speculations that Nelsinho Piquet could be the replacement.
I wouldn't be shocked with him at least for this weekend. I would place money on Nelsinho to make his debut in the Sprint Cup this weekend and then either Kyle Larson (Larson finished second in the race where Tony broke his leg and has been remarkably competitive in the Nationwide Series) or Regan Smith for ovals.
I think this is a plausible scenario. Nelson is arguably good on road courses (Watkins Glen is this weekend, right?) and Larson has been competitive in Nationwide, so he is a good bet as well.
Dj_bereta wrote:There's speculations that Nelsinho Piquet could be the replacement.
I wouldn't be shocked with him at least for this weekend. I would place money on Nelsinho to make his debut in the Sprint Cup this weekend and then either Kyle Larson (Larson finished second in the race where Tony broke his leg and has been remarkably competitive in the Nationwide Series) or Regan Smith for ovals.
I think this is a plausible scenario. Nelson is arguably good on road courses (Watkins Glen is this weekend, right?) and Larson has been competitive in Nationwide, so he is a good bet as well.
Papis is also a F1 Reject with a career best in F1 of 7th place in the 1995 Italian Grand Prix. Not a bad selection if I say so myself at least to contend for Watkins Glen.
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If Ganassi won't have him, who will? He's had some impressive runs this year, but way too many moments of severe brain fade, especially for a driver with his experience and results. He's nearly 100 points behind his teammate.
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Salamander wrote:If Ganassi won't have him, who will?
Brazilian stock cars?
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go_Rubens wrote:I am surprised to see Montoya last this long at Ganassi. He should have been thrown out a year or two ago.
This is coming from a guy who likes Montoya.
In his defense, Ganassi hasn't had good equipment in years. Only this year have McMurray and Montoya qualified fairly well. They still fall off during the race really badly, though.
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Things I was wrong about: Kimi to Ferrari, Perez out of McLaren, Maldonado to Lotus, Kobash comes back, Gutierrez stays, Chilton stays, Boullier leaves Lotus.
go_Rubens wrote:I am surprised to see Montoya last this long at Ganassi. He should have been thrown out a year or two ago.
This is coming from a guy who likes Montoya.
In his defense, Ganassi hasn't had good equipment in years. Only this year have McMurray and Montoya qualified fairly well. They still fall off during the race really badly, though.
The fact Montoya was little more than occasional contender for wins and never won when Jamie McMurray won Daytona and the Brickyard a few years back should have been sounding the alarm bells that Montoya has a ceiling that isn't more than bottom of the chase with the likes of Martin Truex Jr. JPM isn't going to get much better than what we saw 2010 and will often be much worse to the point of mediocrity in NASCAR.
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Salamander wrote:If Ganassi won't have him, who will?
Brazilian stock cars?
some indy car team other than ganassi...
Maybe USCR with Ganassis.
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Stewart-Haas might expand to a fourth car with Kurt Busch behind the wheel. I think we know either there is some sponsors lined up for Busch or that Danica and Harvick are so laden with sponsorship money that there is extra left over.
Onxy Wrecked wrote:Stewart-Haas might expand to a fourth car with Kurt Busch behind the wheel. I think we know either there is some sponsors lined up for Busch or that Danica and Harvick are so laden with sponsorship money that there is extra left over.
Busch confirmed this yesterday, will drive the 00?!?.
So SHR has one legitimate championship threat, who will be rusty post injury(Stewart), One championship threat who is his own worst enemy and stuck in the 4th car (Busch) One Overrated Henpecked Hothead (Harvick) And one driver who was touted as a championship contender by the media and now 34th at Bristol is a "good points day" (Danica)
I'm not really seeing how they're as big a threat as everything is saying they are, despite being the Hendrick B-Team.........
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Wallio wrote:One championship threat who is his own worst enemy and stuck in the 4th car (Busch)
Kurt Busch has actually cleaned up his act pretty well this year. Even if we assume that his car is a de facto 4th RCR car, he's been very impressive with it regardless. If he keeps his current attitude up, he should definately be a force to be reckoned with in 2014, in a car with Hendrick engines.
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Wallio wrote:One championship threat who is his own worst enemy and stuck in the 4th car (Busch)
Kurt Busch has actually cleaned up his act pretty well this year. Even if we assume that his car is a de facto 4th RCR car, he's been very impressive with it regardless. If he keeps his current attitude up, he should definately be a force to be reckoned with in 2014, in a car with Hendrick engines.
Indeed. Busch hasn't been an outlaw at all this year* and has shown he can run in the top 5 and top 10 area with a team that is based out in Colorado and has not had decent performances in the past few years. He can do something, doing what you said Salamander.
go_Rubens wrote:Indeed. Busch hasn't been an outlaw at all this year* and has shown he can run in the top 5 and top 10 area with a team that is based out in Colorado and has not had decent performances in the past few years. He can do something, doing what you said Salamander.
*Except his flip at Talladega
He has proven he might return to being a championship contender once again with a run like this with the inferior pit crew that FRR has due to their base in Colorado.
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. Though I'm still don't understand what causes the dirts become hard and slick 
