1989 vintage reject year

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 24 Aug 2012, 20:49

discuss...

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 24 Aug 2012, 21:06

Prost and Senna really were rejectful, weren't they? They set new lows for driving standards... (·,/)

TheBigJ · Post by **TheBigJ** » 24 Aug 2012, 21:09

I'm not very familiar with F1 history, please elaborate...

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 24 Aug 2012, 21:21

Stefano Modena won a race for Scuderia Italia! Nelson Piquet spent the whole year being lapped by everyone!

Oh wait, you mean real life 1989...?

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 24 Aug 2012, 22:11

29 drivers scoring points, minardi leading a grand prix, Mansell winning in the ferrari first time out and LIFE!!!!

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 24 Aug 2012, 22:19

WeirdKerr wrote:29 drivers scoring points, minardi leading a grand prix, Mansell winning in the ferrari first time out and LIFE!!!!

Eeerm... Life competed in 1990, you should know that.

I think for that mistake you should be taken outside and shot with papayas :lol:

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 24 Aug 2012, 22:29

Phoenix wrote:
WeirdKerr wrote:29 drivers scoring points, minardi leading a grand prix, Mansell winning in the ferrari first time out and LIFE!!!!

Eeerm... Life competed in 1990, you should know that.

I think for that mistake you should be taken outside and shot with papayas

OOPS

no, The life chassis should of competed in '89 as First but didnt....

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 24 Aug 2012, 23:03

kostas22 wrote:Stefano Modena won a race for Scuderia Italia! Nelson Piquet spent the whole year being lapped by everyone!

Oh wait, you mean real life 1989...?

Yeah, he has disappointed in the virtual 1989 series. But I figured having a 3 time world champion should attract sponsors.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 25 Aug 2012, 00:16

kostas22 wrote:Stefano Modena won a race for Scuderia Italia! Nelson Piquet spent the whole year being lapped by everyone!

Oh wait, you mean real life 1989...?

AGS wins three Grands Prix with a rookie! Olivier Grouillard and Gabriele Tarquini unrejectified! Coloni scores points! Rial wins a race! Larrousse on a double podium! Oh wait...

But yes, IRL it must've been the most rejectful season ever. I wonder why so many drivers and teams even bothered to show up when it was just about certain that they would record little more than a streak of DNPQs. And how did some of them keep so many sponsors aboard, if the only exposure they were going to get was on Friday morning? But, better for us as it gave us so many reject stories to read!

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 25 Aug 2012, 09:29

Nuppiz wrote:
kostas22 wrote:Stefano Modena won a race for Scuderia Italia! Nelson Piquet spent the whole year being lapped by everyone!

Oh wait, you mean real life 1989...?

AGS wins three Grands Prix with a rookie! Olivier Grouillard and Gabriele Tarquini unrejectified! Coloni scores points! Rial wins a race! Larrousse on a double podium! Oh wait...

But yes, IRL it must've been the most rejectful season ever. I wonder why so many drivers and teams even bothered to show up when it was just about certain that they would record little more than a streak of DNPQs. And how did some of them keep so many sponsors aboard, if the only exposure they were going to get was on Friday morning? But, better for us as it gave us so many reject stories to read!

You could ask why they bothered, but 16 of them scored points. And out of the 4 that didnt, Osella were decent.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 25 Aug 2012, 11:50

1994 - 21 drivers failed to score points (out of 46 drivers in total - only 1 or 2 fewer than 1989 with much shorter entry lists). A former world championship team fails to score and goes bust. Only 4 out of 14 teams keep both drivers all year without any driver changes (Tyrrell, Footwork, Minardi and, surprisingly, Pacific).

But no pre-qualifying, unlike 1989.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 25 Aug 2012, 12:14

If not for the 1989 season I would not be on the forum.

midgrid · Post by **midgrid** » 25 Aug 2012, 13:26

As we're approaching this year's Belgian Grand Prix, here's a good example of field spread from the 1989 qualifying sessions:

1. Ayrton Senna 1:50.867
2. Alain Prost +0.596
3. Gerhard Berger +1.524
4. Thierry Boutsen +1.919
5. Riccardo Patrese +2.008
6. Nigel Mansell +2.031
7. Alessandro Nannini +4.208
8. Stefano Modena +4.775
9. Mauricio Gugelmin +4.862
10. Derek Warwick +4.997
11. Philippe Alliot +5.023
12. Alex Caffi +5.025
13. Emanuele Pirro +5.035
14. Pierluigi Martini +5.248
15. Stefan Johansson +5.262
16. Johnny Herbert +5.371
17. René Arnoux +5.374
18. Andrea de Cesaris +5.380
19. Ivan Capelli +5.424
20. Martin Brundle +5.460
21. Jonathan Palmer +5.733
22. Michele Alboreto +5.749
23. Bertand Gachot +5.849
24. Eddie Cheever +5.981
25. Luis Perez-Sala +6.090
26. Olivier Grouillard +6.160
DNQ. Satoru Nakajima +6.384
DNQ. Nelson Piquet +6.904
DNQ. Christian Danner +9.380
DNQ. Pierre-Henri Raphanel +12.070
DNPQ. Nicola Larini +7.198
DNPQ. Piercarlo Ghinzani +7.342
DNPQ. Roberto Moreno +7.783
DNPQ. Gabriele Tarquini +8.565
DNPQ. Bernd Schneider +9.835
DNPQ. Aguri Suzuki +9.890
DNPQ. Yannick Dalmas +11.338
DNPQ. Gregor Foitek +11.900
DNPQ. Enrico Bertaggia +20.842

TheBigJ · Post by **TheBigJ** » 25 Aug 2012, 19:15

There's got to be a funny story behind Bertaggias time, there's just got to be...

Post by **tommykl** » 25 Aug 2012, 19:38

TheBigJ wrote:There's got to be a funny story behind Bertaggias time, there's just got to be...

According to his profile, he failed to record a time altogether, but he was still dismally slow in all his other outings...

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 25 Aug 2012, 19:43

I find it funny that Perez-Sala's time is going to be similar to HRT's this year, the team he's the boss of

Barbazza · Post by **Barbazza** » 25 Aug 2012, 20:38

Was this thread started because the 1989 review was on Sky F1 last night by any chance?

I know because I was watching it until the storms made the picture go off. I was just laughing my head off at the random nature of the results, with someone different and rubbish finishing 3rd in practically every race. The best bit was seeing the 2 Colonis - that's 2 COLONIS - going round Monaco. Truly a special year, especially qualifying when once in a while Caffi, Martini, Larini or even bloody Grouillard would qualify quite high up. The Australian GP with its mental crashes just topped it all off really.

mediocre · Post by **mediocre** » 28 Aug 2012, 20:01

wasn't that the season with the most regular entries? I think 39 per weekend or so.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 28 Aug 2012, 20:07

Of course 1989 was a vintage reject year

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 28 Aug 2012, 20:22

redbulljack14 wrote:Of course 1989 was a vintage reject year

That link just proves that 1994 was the better reject year, as I alluded to earlier...

dr-baker wrote:1994 - 21 drivers failed to score points (out of 46 drivers in total - only 1 or 2 fewer than 1989 with much shorter entry lists). A former world championship team fails to score and goes bust. Only 4 out of 14 teams keep both drivers all year without any driver changes (Tyrrell, Footwork, Minardi and, surprisingly, Pacific).

But no pre-qualifying, unlike 1989.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 29 Aug 2012, 13:14

One thing that strikes me is Roberto Moreno's Q1 time in Canada - 47:24.470. I mean, that's an average speed of 5,56 kilometers per hour! Did he push the car on the track to achieve that? :lol:

Post by **tommykl** » 29 Aug 2012, 15:19

Nuppiz wrote:One thing that strikes me is Roberto Moreno's Q1 time in Canada - 47:24.470. I mean, that's an average speed of 5,56 kilometers per hour! Did he push the car on the track to achieve that?

I'm guessing his car failed on his only lap, and his car was towed back to the pits after sitting by the side of the track for a long time, so when it returned to the pits, his car crossed the timing beam, recording a time.

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 29 Aug 2012, 19:29

Nuppiz wrote:One thing that strikes me is Roberto Moreno's Q1 time in Canada - 47:24.470. I mean, that's an average speed of 5,56 kilometers per hour! Did he push the car on the track to achieve that?

I think when the session started the clock started to run for everyone, even if they were staying in pits. Moreno left the pits and crossed the timing line first time after those 47 minutes, and then stopped on the next lap.

There are other similar situations, from 1990s, like Barrichello in Imola 1994 or Blundell in Suzuka 1995.

boeing11 · Post by **boeing11** » 10 Jul 2013, 22:03

Embarrasingly, I always thought the '89 Zakspeed was a good-looking car. It's a shame its Yamaha V8 had been pinched from a lawnmower. Loved the Onyx/Moneytron too. God, I love rubbish racing cars..... :oops:

boeing11 · Post by **boeing11** » 10 Jul 2013, 22:33

Yeah I think there were 39 entrants at some grand prix that year. Martin Brundle has said that at Rio the Brabham team were housed in a canvas toilet tent until one of the teams who had a garage failed to pre-qualify and vacated. :lol:

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 10 Jul 2013, 23:39

boeing11 wrote:Embarrasingly, I always thought the '89 Zakspeed was a good-looking car. It's a shame its Yamaha V8 had been pinched from a lawnmower. Loved the Onyx/Moneytron too. God, I love rubbish racing cars.....

boeing11 wrote:Yeah I think there were 39 entrants at some grand prix that year. Martin Brundle has said that at Rio the Brabham team were housed in a canvas toilet tent until one of the teams who had a garage failed to pre-qualify and vacated.

Double-posting thirty minutes apart from each other isn't really necessary....

boeing11 · Post by **boeing11** » 11 Jul 2013, 00:50

Sorry, you seem to find double posting very upsetting don't you? 24 hours yeah?

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 11 Jul 2013, 00:56

UgncreativeUsergname, I think we can cut this guy some slack. He just joined today, and he may not know some of the rules here. Well, double posting is not forbidden, but it isn't necessary. It's okay if the posts are more than a few days apart, and some cases more than a few months. But 30 minutes apart is frowned upon a lot here. Just saying...

boeing11 · Post by **boeing11** » 11 Jul 2013, 00:59

No offence taken. Message received. I was just very bored at work....

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 11 Jul 2013, 10:32

1989 was great, for so many reasons:

Stefan Johansson's 3rd place at Estoril
Christian Danner's 4th at Phoenix
2 Colonis in the race at Monaco
Pierre-Henri Raphanel qualifying 17th at Monaco
Roberto Moreno's Coloni almost flicking over with a little help from Eddie Cheever's Arrows at Estoril
Nicola Larini in the wet in Canada in the Osella
Gabriele Tarquini 6th in Mexico with the AGS
2 Minardis in the points at Silverstone

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 11 Jul 2013, 14:09

Wasn't Minardi's best race finish (4th) by Martini achieved in 1989?

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 11 Jul 2013, 14:26

go_Rubens wrote:Wasn't Minardi's best race finish (4th) by Martini achieved in 1989?

No, it was twice 4th in 1991 and once in 1993.
But Pierluigi Martini did lead a lap in Estoril in 1989.

Verde · Post by **Verde** » 26 Jul 2013, 17:43

Waiting patiently for a Codemasters F1 1989 game and a career mode where I can start off with an awful Eurobrun.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 27 Jul 2013, 14:33

Verde wrote:Waiting patiently for a Codemasters F1 1989 game and a career mode where I can start off with an awful Eurobrun.

You'd probably be better off getting something like F1 Challenge or rFactor and downloading F1 season mods for that.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 27 Jul 2013, 14:35

Salamander wrote:
Verde wrote:Waiting patiently for a Codemasters F1 1989 game and a career mode where I can start off with an awful Eurobrun.

You'd probably be better off getting something like F1 Challenge or rFactor and downloading F1 season mods for that.

Or GP4.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 27 Jul 2013, 16:23

good_Ralf wrote:
Salamander wrote:
Verde wrote:Waiting patiently for a Codemasters F1 1989 game and a career mode where I can start off with an awful Eurobrun.

You'd probably be better off getting something like F1 Challenge or rFactor and downloading F1 season mods for that.

Or GP4.

GP4 doesn't have a 1989 mod, at least I don't think so. Plus you can only run 11 teams at a time.

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 27 Jul 2013, 19:01

Salamander wrote:
Verde wrote:Waiting patiently for a Codemasters F1 1989 game and a career mode where I can start off with an awful Eurobrun.

You'd probably be better off getting something like F1 Challenge or rFactor and downloading F1 season mods for that.

Rfactor has had an 89 mod in development for about 8 million years now, and I doubt it's ever going to see the light of day.

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 28 Jul 2013, 01:26

Faustus posted something about Larini at Canada being a good thing, so was this the race where he was in the Osella and was on the verge of scoring a point?

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 28 Jul 2013, 08:46

AdrianSutil wrote:Faustus posted something about Larini at Canada being a good thing, so was this the race where he was in the Osella and was on the verge of scoring a point?

Yes it was.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 28 Jul 2013, 10:41

Faustus wrote:
AdrianSutil wrote:Faustus posted something about Larini at Canada being a good thing, so was this the race where he was in the Osella and was on the verge of scoring a point?

Yes it was.

He ran third for some laps, before being passed by Senna and then his electrics went. Given the chaos he could have scored his first podium in that race. As it was, de Cesaris scored a podium, Alliot ran 3rd for a few laps as well and Warwick could also have won without his retirement.