2013 HWNSNBM'S Hungarian Grand Prix Thread

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 28 Jul 2013, 11:38

SgtPepper wrote:
AdrianSutil wrote:As a true F1 fan, I couldn't care less if Vettel romps away and wins by a country mile. I'll still enjoy the race as long as there's a few midfield battles, different tyre strategies, maybe a Sauber or a Williams nicking a couple of points and a few retirements. It's not all about P1.

A true F1 fan? Teach us your ways, oh great padawan master!

I also loathe the culture of only caring about P1, and when I was at Silverstone it it really angered me that there was some great wheel to wheel racing between the backmarkers that I knew would never get shown, or yesterday's focussing on random celebrities while the mid-field teams were out in Q1 had me spitting feathers.

However, I don't see what is wrong with registering distaste with the current state of affairs of VETTELWINSLOL.

See it doesn't matter if Vettel wins all the time. I just wish people wouldn't wish their bad luck on him.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 28 Jul 2013, 11:40

SgtPepper wrote:However, I don't see what is wrong with registering distaste with the current state of affairs of VETTELWINSLOL.

It's annoying. Vettel is a very good driver, he's going to win a lot more races before his career is over. Seeing people continually complain every single time he wins or gets pole, or even looks like winning, is getting very old.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 28 Jul 2013, 11:56

Salamander wrote:
SgtPepper wrote:However, I don't see what is wrong with registering distaste with the current state of affairs of VETTELWINSLOL.

It's annoying. Vettel is a very good driver, he's going to win a lot more races before his career is over. Seeing people continually complain every single time he wins or gets pole, or even looks like winning, is getting very old.

At last Salamander agrees with me. As i said some people are complaining when Vettel sets the pace in FP1 which is just downright ludicrous

Anyway is everybody ready

Minardi Man · Post by **Minardi Man** » 28 Jul 2013, 12:05

Rosberg's had a very overly eventful opening lap :shock:

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 28 Jul 2013, 12:06

Minardi Man wrote:Rosberg's had a very overly eventful opening lap

His race is done while Webber made an awesome start

And what is this? Vettel struggling? See why i never lost hope?

S951 · Post by **S951** » 28 Jul 2013, 12:14

RoGro going very well

Vettel grip issues earlier than Ham?

PT8475 · Post by **PT8475** » 28 Jul 2013, 12:22

Thanks, 5Live, lets just skip the pitstops so we can hear Tom Daley jumping off a platform.

S951 · Post by **S951** » 28 Jul 2013, 12:27

Button going pretty well

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 28 Jul 2013, 12:29

S951 wrote:Button going pretty well

I owe Bunsen a beer for making this interesting

And Vettel has a damaged front wing. What magic chant did Rachel1990 put on him today? :mrgreen:

S951 · Post by **S951** » 28 Jul 2013, 12:32

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
S951 wrote:Button going pretty well

I owe Bunsen a beer for making this interesting

And Vettel has a damaged front wing. What magic chant did Rachel1990 put on him today?

100% also RoGro properly going for it

PT8475 · Post by **PT8475** » 28 Jul 2013, 12:57

Oh come on, drive through? Really?

Minardi Man · Post by **Minardi Man** » 28 Jul 2013, 12:58

Bathplug off stewarts :evil:

....apparently it was his pass on Massa that caused him to get the penalty, if that is true then this really is farcical.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 28 Jul 2013, 12:58

PT8475 wrote:Oh come on, drive through? Really?

I think we all look very silly now. We all thought Grosjean could win and we've been proved Wrong

PT8475 · Post by **PT8475** » 28 Jul 2013, 12:59

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
PT8475 wrote:Oh come on, drive through? Really?

I think we all look very silly now. We all thought Grosjean could win and we've been proved Wrong

Stewards are completely wrong there - unless its for the Button incident, in which case... A bit harsh, as Button pitted.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 28 Jul 2013, 13:02

PT8475 wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
PT8475 wrote:Oh come on, drive through? Really?

I think we all look very silly now. We all thought Grosjean could win and we've been proved Wrong

Stewards are completely wrong there - unless its for the Button incident, in which case... A bit harsh, as Button pitted.

Yes Steward's have been useless this season. In Brighter News Pastor Maldonado is in 10th place :mrgreen:

Crofty no one cares about Chilton who's been woeful Again

PT8475 · Post by **PT8475** » 28 Jul 2013, 13:18

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
PT8475 wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:I think we all look very silly now. We all thought Grosjean could win and we've been proved Wrong

Stewards are completely wrong there - unless its for the Button incident, in which case... A bit harsh, as Button pitted.

Yes Steward's have been useless this season. In Brighter News Pastor Maldonado is in 10th place

Crofty no one cares about Chilton who's been woeful Again

Perhaps Grosjean's penalty has saved Lotus, at least, from having to call him out of Raikkonen's way again, at least.

And I shouldn't judge the stewards yet, actually, as I've not got the money for SKY I'm not allowed to see the race

S951 · Post by **S951** » 28 Jul 2013, 13:19

JEV ahead of RIC at this stage

PT8475 · Post by **PT8475** » 28 Jul 2013, 13:23

S951 wrote:JEV ahead of RIC at this stage

But I thought JEV wasn't ready for Red Bull?

S951 · Post by **S951** » 28 Jul 2013, 13:25

PT8475 wrote:
S951 wrote:JEV ahead of RIC at this stage

But I thought JEV wasn't ready for Red Bull?

good whilst it lasted but JEV now behind

pablo_h · Post by **pablo_h** » 28 Jul 2013, 13:29

PT8475 wrote:But I thought JEV wasn't ready for Red Bull?

He's not, and never will be.
First rule of finishing first in a Red bull, is that you have to first finish first on a Saturday.
Fast one lap pace drivers only need apply.
Webber has proven time again through his career he can put a car high up on the starting grid.
And Vettel is in a class of his own in that regard, better than Webber and that says a hell of a lot. Some of Vettels qual laps have been very special.
Not a fan of Vettel, but I have been blown away sometimes from watching his qual laps over Webber and the rest of the field.
Vergne just does not have that, not at all.
Kind of like Button, good racer, but never qualified well against Hamilton, or even sometimes Perez. Vergne has a career ahead like Button, but neither suit Red Bull's philosophy.
Don't forget red bull often have some of the lowest trap speeds, overtaking is not much of an option while driving a red bull, they are expected to qualify up front.

edit: bad luck Rosberg, but great driving to get it off the track.

Minardi Man · Post by **Minardi Man** » 28 Jul 2013, 13:39

Wow, another engine blow out, hopefully these engines are getting ready for next year.

S951 · Post by **S951** » 28 Jul 2013, 13:40

big blow up for rosberg engine?? hope ham last ok

jev is ahead of ric atm

pastor to get his and williams first point

pablo_h · Post by **pablo_h** » 28 Jul 2013, 13:50

Congrats to Hamilton.
Interestingly when asked this weekend he said he never expected to leave a winning team on their way down, and get a seat into a team on the way up capable of winning. He was looking for the long pay off and didn't expect to be that competitive this year.
But in the end, but seems like he got lucky, notwithstanding his imput and good drives off course. No disrepect to him but even he didn;t expect to have the equipment for front row lock outs and wins this year.

tristan1117 · Post by **tristan1117** » 28 Jul 2013, 13:50

The Reverend scores!

SgtPepper · Post by **SgtPepper** » 28 Jul 2013, 13:51

My laptop overheated and I missed roughly laps 5-20. What happened to Vettel's front wing?

mediocre · Post by **mediocre** » 28 Jul 2013, 13:53

SgtPepper wrote:My laptop overheated and I missed roughly laps 5-20. What happened to Vettel's front wing?

He had a very minor collision with Button (if at all), but the whining was unproportionally big.

pablo_h · Post by **pablo_h** » 28 Jul 2013, 13:53

SgtPepper wrote:My laptop overheated and I missed roughly laps 5-20. What happened to Vettel's front wing?

Contact trying to pass the Button-train

Post by **mario** » 28 Jul 2013, 13:57

S951 wrote:big blow up for rosberg engine?? hope ham last ok

jev is ahead of ric atm

pastor to get his and williams first point

Sounds like Rosberg might have overheated whilst trying to push Massa into a mistake (he'd been catching Massa and running quite close behind him on track on the lap before his engine blew). Several drivers were struggling with engine temperatures today given the very hot conditions (Vettel, for example, was having to back away from Button earlier in the race because his engine temperatures were getting uncomfortably high), so he might have accidentally cooked his engine in the process.

As for Maldonado, well, it was a hard race by the sounds of things but, scruitineering pending, it sounds as if Williams will finally be off the mark with a point for 10th - and it has been a very painful wait for the team to get that point.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 28 Jul 2013, 14:05

Lewis Hamilton wins his first Grand Prix for Mercedes!!!

HAMILTONWINSLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAMILTONWINSLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAMILTONWINSLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TheBigJ · Post by **TheBigJ** » 28 Jul 2013, 14:12

The grosjean penalty was daylight robbery. Spa 2009. Kimi Raikkonen overtaking half the grid when he was completely over the white line. Grosjean still had some of his wheels on the white line. Either Grosjean should be given an apology from the increasingly inconsistent race stewards, or Raikkonnen should hand over another trophy to Giancarlo Fisichella.

The incident with Button was not his fault either. He was behind Grosjean who had no choice but to turn into the racing line to make the chicane. Both should of backed off. They didn't. Racing incident.

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 28 Jul 2013, 14:12

Screw Hamiltons win. Did you see how Kimi managed to keep Vettel behind him? That once again shows that Kimi still has it.
Also, a damn shame for Romain, I genuinely wished him to win or atleast be on the podium. What intrigues me is what the "Fail 22, 22 Fail" call that both Seb and Mark got with about 10 laps to go. Some sorta code for Mark that "you're behind Seb. Don't race" and for Seb "Webber behind you, no stress"
Or that is what I thought until Mark was told to keep pushing a few laps later... Odd.

A good race regardless. Shame Gro didn't manage to overtake Alonso in the end. The penalty was bullcrap. Still, Kimi p2 on the championship.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 28 Jul 2013, 14:19

Good to see Williams finally make it into the points.

AxelP800 · Post by **AxelP800** » 28 Jul 2013, 14:21

Great to see Hamilton winning

. While Button and Raikkonen did a great job to keep VETTELWINSLOL unheard. Shame for Grosjean making few mistakes.
Great to see Webber finished 4th. Alonso keep 5th place ahead from Grosjean. And......... Maldonado finally give Williams their first point of the season

johnnyCarwash · Post by **johnnyCarwash** » 28 Jul 2013, 14:23

This was one of the better Hunagrian GPs, very watchable indeed and Williams get a point

!
Shame about RoGro's penalty, thought it was a ballsy move at the time...

Hamilton is now the third Brit to win a GP for Mercedes:

Richard Seaman 1938 German GP
Stirling Moss 1955 British GP
Lewis Hamilton 2013 Hungarian GP

Post by **mario** » 28 Jul 2013, 14:29

DonTirri wrote:Screw Hamiltons win. Did you see how Kimi managed to keep Vettel behind him? That once again shows that Kimi still has it.
Also, a damn shame for Romain, I genuinely wished him to win or atleast be on the podium. What intrigues me is what the "Fail 22, 22 Fail" call that both Seb and Mark got with about 10 laps to go. Some sorta code for Mark that "you're behind Seb. Don't race" and for Seb "Webber behind you, no stress"
Or that is what I thought until Mark was told to keep pushing a few laps later... Odd.

A good race regardless. Shame Gro didn't manage to overtake Alonso in the end. The penalty was bullcrap. Still, Kimi p2 on the championship.

I imagine that we will get an explanation later, but it does sound more like an instruction to change an engine or electronics map rather than anything to do with Webber.

My best guess is that the message could be related to Vettel's KERS unit - he did have problems with his KERS beginning to overheat earlier in the race (whilst behind Button, he was instructed that he could not use full power mode for his KERS, usually a sign of overheating). Given that he was running behind Kimi for quite a few laps, it might be that his KERS overheated again, and in this instance it might have been permanently damaged - "Fail 22" might therefore be a setting for the KERS that puts it in a fail-safe mode.

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 28 Jul 2013, 15:16

Alonso, Räikkönen and Hamilton should reach an agreement and stop taking points out of each other. As it is, Vettel is just cruising to the title without showing a huge superiority, a bit like Alonso was doing last year at this point, although the German has a bit better car (and yes, I mean a bit: during July last year the Ferrari didn't look too far from the best car). If one of them manages to win a couple of races in a row we could start to have a championship in our hands; as it is, they are close (less than two races, and we have seen that kind of gap disappear quickly in recent years, like 2012, 2010, 2007 and 2006) but no cigar.

BTW, was I the only who noticed that Webber didn't seem to be pushing Alonso at all? It looked like he didn't want to do anything that could help Vettel, even if marginally.

S951 · Post by **S951** » 28 Jul 2013, 16:32

looks like vdg had an ok race to 14th

mediocre · Post by **mediocre** » 28 Jul 2013, 16:59

Grosjean gets another 20 second penalty for the incident with Button. Also, Alonso is under investigation for using DRS three times when he was more than one second behind the man in front.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 28 Jul 2013, 17:03

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 28 Jul 2013, 17:32

Stick a 10 or 20 second penalty on him and call it good. RoGro gets up one position and everyóne is happy. Except for Alonso and Ferrari, but nobody cares what they think anyway.