Unusual F1 Stats

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 02 Jul 2013, 14:45

Sebastian Vettel hasn't won a race in Europe since the 2011 Italian GP: 34 races.

Sadly, European tracks are less of a feature in the calendar these days, but it's still fairly bizarre for a reigning champion! He should break this one in the next four races, though.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 02 Jul 2013, 14:58

Ferrim wrote:Sebastian Vettel hasn't won a race in Europe since the 2011 Italian GP: 34 races.

Sadly, European tracks are less of a feature in the calendar these days, but it's still fairly bizarre for a reigning champion! He should break this one in the next four races, though.

Vettel has never won at a specific circuit three times in a row. Sometimes, he has won back-to-back victories and at the next race, is set for a hat-trick, before cruel fate sets in.

In Malaysia, he won in 2010 and 2011, but was nowhere in 2012 before that cucumber moment.
He won Valencia in 2010 and 2011, but the alternator broke when he was leading in 2012.
In Japan, he dominated in 2009 and 2010 and led from pole in 2011, but was beaten at the stops by Button and Alonso.
In Abu Dhabi, he won in 2009 and 2010, then led from pole there in 2011. Then the tyre let go.

Recently, Vettel has won back-to-back victories in Singapore in 2011 and 2012, in Korea in 2011 and 2012 and India in 2011 and 2012.
If he suffers bad luck in those three events, he may be cursed in that respect.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 02 Jul 2013, 15:03

good_Ralf wrote:
Ferrim wrote:Sebastian Vettel hasn't won a race in Europe since the 2011 Italian GP: 34 races.

Sadly, European tracks are less of a feature in the calendar these days, but it's still fairly bizarre for a reigning champion! He should break this one in the next four races, though.

Vettel has never won at a specific circuit three times in a row. Sometimes, he has won back-to-back victories and at the next race, is set for a hat-trick, before cruel fate sets in.

In Malaysia, he won in 2010 and 2011, but was nowhere in 2012 before that cucumber moment.
He won Valencia in 2010 and 2011, but the alternator broke when he was leading in 2012.
In Japan, he dominated in 2009 and 2010 and led from pole in 2011, but was beaten at the stops by Button and Alonso.
In Abu Dhabi, he won in 2009 and 2010, then led from pole there in 2011. Then the tyre let go.

Recently, Vettel has won back-to-back victories in Singapore in 2011 and 2012, in Korea in 2011 and 2012 and India in 2011 and 2012.
If he suffers bad luck in those three events, he may be cursed in that respect.

One of those things, that is.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 02 Jul 2013, 15:13

Having been off school for 6 weeks now, boredom has struck big time, so I decided to get the average margins of victory for each season. (At present, I've only done the seasons that I have the Yearbook for.)

1996- +14.075 seconds
1997- +11.463 seconds
1998- +10.102 seconds
2000- +9.539 seconds
2001- +13.924 seconds
2002- +8.499 seconds
2003- +13.388 seconds
2004- +6.317 seconds
2005- +12.348 seconds
2006- +9.103 seconds
2007- +5.315 seconds
2008- +12.341 seconds

As you can see, no pattern there at all. I thought the margin of victory might come down slightly, but clearly not

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 02 Jul 2013, 15:16

You would be able to get margins of victory from the Wikipedia pages for each race.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 02 Jul 2013, 15:27

Salamander wrote:You would be able to get margins of victory from the Wikipedia pages for each race.

I know, but the internet was down earlier so I did the margins thing using my books to keep myself amused.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 02 Jul 2013, 15:41

takagi_for_the_win wrote:
Salamander wrote:You would be able to get margins of victory from the Wikipedia pages for each race.

I know, but the internet was down earlier so I did the margins thing using my books to keep myself amused.

I do get bored and come up with random stuff, but I never get really bored and do stats. Us younger kids. We want more fun, not boredom, or it seems that way.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 02 Jul 2013, 15:45

go_Rubens wrote:
takagi_for_the_win wrote:
Salamander wrote:You would be able to get margins of victory from the Wikipedia pages for each race.

I know, but the internet was down earlier so I did the margins thing using my books to keep myself amused.

I do get bored and come up with random stuff, but I never get really bored and do stats. Us younger kids. We want more fun, not boredom, or it seems that way.

Calm down, I'm only 16!!

In my defence, it was pissing down with rain outside, what else was I supposed to do?

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 02 Jul 2013, 18:25

It occurred to me today that there hasn't been a F1 drivers champion from outside Europe since 1997 :shock:

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 02 Jul 2013, 18:59

WeirdKerr wrote:It occurred to me today that there hasn't been a F1 drivers champion from outside Europe since 1997

If my match is correct, of the 32 WDC, 21 are from Europe and 11 from outside Europe.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 02 Jul 2013, 19:14

WeirdKerr wrote:It occurred to me today that there hasn't been a F1 drivers champion from outside Europe since 1997

By my reckoning, there hasn't been one since Senna in 1991. Funnily enough, between 1978 and 1991, 9 of the championships were won by people from outside of Europe.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 02 Jul 2013, 19:16

takagi_for_the_win wrote:
WeirdKerr wrote:It occurred to me today that there hasn't been a F1 drivers champion from outside Europe since 1997

By my reckoning, there hasn't been one since Senna in 1991. Funnily enough, between 1978 and 1991, 9 of the championships were won by people from outside of Europe.

Villeneuve. 1997. The only one between now and Senna to win a championship being outside of Europe.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 02 Jul 2013, 19:32

go_Rubens wrote:
takagi_for_the_win wrote:
WeirdKerr wrote:It occurred to me today that there hasn't been a F1 drivers champion from outside Europe since 1997

By my reckoning, there hasn't been one since Senna in 1991. Funnily enough, between 1978 and 1991, 9 of the championships were won by people from outside of Europe.

Villeneuve. 1997. The only one between now and Senna to win a championship being outside of Europe.

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about Villeneuve. Not exactly hard to do in fairness..

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 02 Jul 2013, 20:11

In 2012, I did a count of all the F1 drivers and the top 26 from GP2 and FR3.5 (don't ask why I did it), and about two thirds of the drivers were from Europe.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 02 Jul 2013, 20:18

I find it sad that Brazil hasn't had an F1 champion since Senna. Are they cursed (I say that again)?

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 02 Jul 2013, 20:18

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:In 2012, I did a count of all the F1 drivers and the top 26 from GP2 and FR3.5 (don't ask why I did it), and about two thirds of the drivers were from Europe.

Goes to show there is little interest elsewhere, or at least some. :roll:

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 02 Jul 2013, 21:58

good_Ralf wrote:I find it sad that Brazil hasn't had an F1 champion since Senna. Are they cursed (I say that again)?

2009 should have had a Brazil champion by all means. I guess they are.

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 03 Jul 2013, 08:53

takagi_for_the_win wrote:Having been off school for 6 weeks now, boredom has struck big time, so I decided to get the average margins of victory for each season. (At present, I've only done the seasons that I have the Yearbook for.)

1996- +14.075 seconds
1997- +11.463 seconds
1998- +10.102 seconds
2000- +9.539 seconds
2001- +13.924 seconds
2002- +8.499 seconds
2003- +13.388 seconds
2004- +6.317 seconds
2005- +12.348 seconds
2006- +9.103 seconds
2007- +5.315 seconds
2008- +12.341 seconds

As you can see, no pattern there at all. I thought the margin of victory might come down slightly, but clearly not

It's funny how two seasons of utter Schumacher dominance have the two smaller margins of victory in the list (except for 2007). Of course, many times the two Ferraris came together over the line, but still.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 03 Jul 2013, 15:39

As of June 31, 2012 a total of 528 people from 38 countries are known to have gone into space according to the FAI guideline (535 people have qualified when including the US Department of Defense classification). Of the 528, three people completed only a sub-orbital flight, 525 people reached Earth orbit, 24 traveled beyond low Earth orbit and 12 walked on the Moon. Are these rare revered feats? Hardly, I say.
Only 1 person in the history of mankind has driven 50 Formula One World Championship races without scoring a point. Now that is impressive!

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 07 Jul 2013, 07:54

Before the race today, here is a look at Kimi's stats:

Kimi has now finished the last 36 races he has participated in (sabbatical gap included).
And he has only failed to complete 2 laps during this time!

From the 2009 Hungarian Grand Prix to the 2013 British Grand Prix, he has completed 2 147 / 2 149 laps.
This is very impressive.

Otherwise Nick Heidfeld still has the finishing record for consecutively held Grand Prix (without absence),
with 33 races. Kimi is at 28 now (since comeback).

And yes, as media reported after the last race at Silverstone, Kimi is now the current record-holder of the most consecutive races
finished inside the points. With 25, beating Schumacher's old record (24).

While this is very good, to me it's not as impressive as his finishing record. Because Schumacher finished all those 24 consecutive races inside the Top 6.

Kimi has been helped by the new points scoring system, of his 25 races, he has 'only' been inside the Top 6 on 18 occassions.
So it's not really fair to compare these two feats.

I think Kimi summed it up best, knowing that breaking Schumacher's record really doesn't mean anything.
When asked by Natalie Pinkham:

Is there any consolation that you are putting in such consistant performances that you have just beaten Michael Schumacher's record for 25 consecutive races in the points ?

Kimi answered:

No.

watka · Post by **watka** » 14 Jul 2013, 23:12

This has got some interesting facts and stats: https://twitter.com/BadF1Stats

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 15 Jul 2013, 15:04

If Romain Grosjean's next podium is a win then he will have had the exact same podium record as Nico Rosberg did when he scored his maiden win (3rd 2nd 3rd 3rd 3rd) only he would have done it much quicker.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 20 Jul 2013, 10:48

Antonio Pizzonia finished 7th four times in his F1 career and if the top-6 points system was still in use today he would have scored no points in his F1 career.
Looking at the finishing order for the races in which Pizzonia finished 7th, it is painful to find in all of those races he finished barely a second behind the 6th place finisher.

2004 Germany: 0.848s behind Webber
2004 Hungary: 1.135s behind Sato
2004 Italy: 0.313s behind Coulthard
2005 Italy: 0.718s behind R Schumacher

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 20 Jul 2013, 13:44

good_Ralf wrote:Antonio Pizzonia finished 7th four times in his F1 career and if the top-6 points system was still in use today he would have scored no points in his F1 career.
Looking at the finishing order for the races in which Pizzonia finished 7th, it is painful to find in all of those races he finished barely a second behind the 6th place finisher.

2004 Germany: 0.848s behind Webber
2004 Hungary: 1.135s behind Sato
2004 Italy: 0.313s behind Coulthard
2005 Italy: 0.718s behind R Schumacher

Not to mention what happened in Spa....

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 31 Jul 2013, 13:48

Here's an interesting one- Vettel only has one more career fastest lap than Webber. Given Vettels near-obsessive penchant for going after fastest laps, that's pretty surprising to say the least

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 31 Jul 2013, 14:27

takagi_for_the_win wrote:Here's an interesting one- Vettel only has one more career fastest lap than Webber. Given Vettels near-obsessive penchant for going after fastest laps, that's pretty surprising to say the least

At the start of 2012 Vettel only had 9 fastest laps compared to Webber's 13 so it's no surprise

watka · Post by **watka** » 01 Aug 2013, 23:06

How many of Webber's fastest laps came pre-2009?

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 01 Aug 2013, 23:13

watka wrote:How many of Webber's fastest laps came pre-2009?

Zero.

SgtPepper · Post by **SgtPepper** » 06 Aug 2013, 14:38

Jocke1 wrote:I think Kimi summed it up best, knowing that breaking Schumacher's record really doesn't mean anything.
When asked by Natalie Pinkham:
Is there any consolation that you are putting in such consistant performances that you have just beaten Michael Schumacher's record for 25 consecutive races in the points ?

Kimi answered:
No.

God I love the Finns.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 06 Aug 2013, 16:47

SgtPepper wrote:
Jocke1 wrote:I think Kimi summed it up best, knowing that breaking Schumacher's record really doesn't mean anything.
When asked by Natalie Pinkham:
Is there any consolation that you are putting in such consistant performances that you have just beaten Michael Schumacher's record for 25 consecutive races in the points ?

Kimi answered:
No.

God I love the Finns.

I like them. They can be thoroughly epic.

Backmarker · Post by **Backmarker** » 06 Aug 2013, 19:52

Who has started the most races at a single team? (For example, Rubens Barrichello has the most starts in F1, but these are split between starts for Jordan, Stewart, Ferrari, Honda, Brawn, and Williams)

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 06 Aug 2013, 19:59

Backmarker wrote:Who has started the most races at a single team? (For example, Rubens Barrichello has the most starts in F1, but these are split between starts for Jordan, Stewart, Ferrari, Honda, Brawn, and Williams)

Scumacher at ferrari

Post by **Londoner** » 06 Aug 2013, 20:02

Backmarker wrote:Who has started the most races at a single team? (For example, Rubens Barrichello has the most starts in F1, but these are split between starts for Jordan, Stewart, Ferrari, Honda, Brawn, and Williams)

I think that must be Herr Schumacher the Elder, with 181 starts with Ferrari.

Backmarker · Post by **Backmarker** » 06 Aug 2013, 21:21

East Londoner wrote:
Backmarker wrote:Who has started the most races at a single team? (For example, Rubens Barrichello has the most starts in F1, but these are split between starts for Jordan, Stewart, Ferrari, Honda, Brawn, and Williams)

I think that must be Herr Schumacher the Elder, with 181 starts with Ferrari.

I have checked, and this is correct. Second is David Coulthard, with 169 starts for McLaren. Felipe Massa (131 starts for Ferrari to date) could conceivably equal Schumacher's record, if he manages to hang on in Ferrari until the end of 2015.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 06 Aug 2013, 21:33

Backmarker wrote:
East Londoner wrote:
Backmarker wrote:Who has started the most races at a single team? (For example, Rubens Barrichello has the most starts in F1, but these are split between starts for Jordan, Stewart, Ferrari, Honda, Brawn, and Williams)

I think that must be Herr Schumacher the Elder, with 181 starts with Ferrari.

I have checked, and this is correct. Second is David Coulthard, with 169 starts for McLaren. Felipe Massa (131 starts for Ferrari to date) could conceivably equal Schumacher's record, if he manages to hang on in Ferrari until the end of 2015.

Which he won't

Backmarker · Post by **Backmarker** » 06 Aug 2013, 21:54

roblomas52 wrote:
Backmarker wrote:
East Londoner wrote:I think that must be Herr Schumacher the Elder, with 181 starts with Ferrari.

I have checked, and this is correct. Second is David Coulthard, with 169 starts for McLaren. Felipe Massa (131 starts for Ferrari to date) could conceivably equal Schumacher's record, if he manages to hang on in Ferrari until the end of 2015.

Which he won't

I think he might. Massa will probably be at Ferrari for 2014. Unless Vettel signs for Ferrari for 2015 (and he's not replacing Alonso when he does so), I think Massa's got a decent chance to still be there in 2015. But he'd actually have to make it to 2016 to equal Schumacher, which seems unlikely.

Until this season, Lewis Hamilton was the driver who had the most starts, having only ever driven for 1 team (all his 110 starts had been for McLaren). If we take the view that Midland/Spyker/Force India are the same team, Adrian Sutil now holds this record, with 100 starts. Otherwise it is held by Jim Clark, all of whose 72 starts were for Lotus.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 08 Aug 2013, 13:30

Here's an interesting one with regards to overtaking

http://cliptheapex.com/overtaking/seasons

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 08 Aug 2013, 13:41

takagi_for_the_win wrote:Here's an interesting one with regards to overtaking

The site asks you to register. If you link to a site that forces you to register for content please provide at least a general overview of what the link contains. I for my part disliking clicking only to find that there is nothing there (I'm not registering for a site before I know what is the content).

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 08 Aug 2013, 13:43

Klon wrote:
takagi_for_the_win wrote:Here's an interesting one with regards to overtaking

The site asks you to register. If you link to a site that forces you to register for content please provide at least a general overview of what the link contains. I for my part strongly clicking only to find that there is nothing there (I'm not registering for a site before I know what is the content).

Ah sorry about that :oops:

Its a table a how many overtakes per GP there have been every year since 1981.

This should work without needing registration

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 08 Aug 2013, 14:00

Not necessarily an unusual stat, but one that F1 Rejects got wrong.

Piercarlo Ghinzani doesn't have the record for fewest points per race. I think that belongs to Olivier Grouillard.

1 point in 64 races is worse than 2 points in 111 races. Especially since he should have scored points for Tyrrell.