What If?

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 27 Aug 2013, 17:08

what if Arrows were still arround today?

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 27 Aug 2013, 17:36

roblomas52 wrote:
apple2009 wrote:What if Vettel raced for Marussia and Chilton raced for Red Bull?

Vettel would win some races and Chilton would consistently finish in top 6

Vettel would win races in a Marussia?

The best he'd do is to maybe score a point.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 27 Aug 2013, 17:43

roblomas52 wrote:what if Arrows were still arround today?

Probably still backmarkers or close to that. Who knows, they might have had a season similar to that of FI in 2009 at some point.
But really, I think they'd be in a similar position to Williams, with unpredictable rises and falls in performance.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 27 Aug 2013, 20:26

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Yes i know it's sarcasm. I'm just saying that those who are at the head of the ChiltonCraze (Jocke1 FullMetalJack East Londoner) will make the jokes about how if Chilton was in a Red Bull he would be a multiple champion

A Red Bull? He'd do so in a Caterham.

And really, Jamie and Enoch are at the head of the ChiltonCraze, they first realised that he was Talent, Talent, Talent.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 27 Aug 2013, 20:29

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Yes i know it's sarcasm. I'm just saying that those who are at the head of the ChiltonCraze (Jocke1 FullMetalJack East Londoner) will make the jokes about how if Chilton was in a Red Bull he would be a multiple champion

Well... it's true. Or are you saying you doubt the pure talent incarnate that is Max Alexander Chilton?

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 28 Aug 2013, 10:20

Salamander wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Yes i know it's sarcasm. I'm just saying that those who are at the head of the ChiltonCraze (Jocke1 FullMetalJack East Londoner) will make the jokes about how if Chilton was in a Red Bull he would be a multiple champion

Well... it's true. Or are you saying you doubt the pure talent incarnate that is Max Alexander Chilton?

Yes I'm the Lone Ranger who doubts Mr Max Talent Chilton

Post by **Londoner** » 28 Aug 2013, 10:30

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
Salamander wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Yes i know it's sarcasm. I'm just saying that those who are at the head of the ChiltonCraze (Jocke1 FullMetalJack East Londoner) will make the jokes about how if Chilton was in a Red Bull he would be a multiple champion

Well... it's true. Or are you saying you doubt the pure talent incarnate that is Max Alexander Chilton?

Yes I'm the Lone Ranger who doubts Mr Max Talent Chilton

Good word, that's almost as big a crime as uttering HWNSNBM's real name...

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 28 Aug 2013, 10:31

East Londoner wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
Salamander wrote:Well... it's true. Or are you saying you doubt the pure talent incarnate that is Max Alexander Chilton?

Yes I'm the Lone Ranger who doubts Mr Max Talent Chilton

Good word, that's almost as big a crime as uttering HWNSNBM's real name...

What Zsolt Baumgartner?

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 28 Aug 2013, 11:39

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
East Londoner wrote:Good word, that's almost as big a crime as uttering HWNSNBM's real name...

What Zsolt Baumgartner?

Do not make me get thy flaming papaya's and throw them at you as a punishment against thy overlord :evil:

jokes

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 28 Aug 2013, 12:08

mario wrote:Mind you, it does bring up the point that Bob Fearnley, part of the senior management at Force India, made late last year when asked to assess the capability of the RB8. He rather bitterly responded "Frankly, at least half of the grid could be a champion in that car" - maybe undercutting Vettel's achievements rather harshly, but it does underline the point that the sport is about the combination of driver and team and that, with the drivers relatively closely matched in terms of raw pace these days, the car still remains the largest performance differentiator.

It reminds me of Nigel Mansell's assessment of the Williams FW14B and its successor: "You could put a puppet in that car and it would still win."

That leads to a famous headline in Motoring News - "Mansell: Prost is a puppet"!

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 28 Aug 2013, 12:11

dinizintheoven wrote:
mario wrote:Mind you, it does bring up the point that Bob Fearnley, part of the senior management at Force India, made late last year when asked to assess the capability of the RB8. He rather bitterly responded "Frankly, at least half of the grid could be a champion in that car" - maybe undercutting Vettel's achievements rather harshly, but it does underline the point that the sport is about the combination of driver and team and that, with the drivers relatively closely matched in terms of raw pace these days, the car still remains the largest performance differentiator.

It reminds me of Nigel Mansell's assessment of the Williams FW14B and its successor: "You could put a puppet in that car and it would still win."

That leads to a famous headline in Motoring News - "Mansell: Prost is a puppet"!

Wasn't the same thing said of the 1996 Williams FW18?

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 28 Aug 2013, 15:26

roblomas52 wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
East Londoner wrote:Good word, that's almost as big a crime as uttering HWNSNBM's real name...

What Zsolt Baumgartner?

Do not make me get thy flaming papaya's and throw them at you as a punishment against thy overlord

jokes

I'm not afraid to mention it

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 28 Aug 2013, 15:44

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
roblomas52 wrote:Do not make me get thy flaming papaya's and throw them at you as a punishment against thy overlord

jokes

I'm not afraid to mention it

ZSOLT!

Me neither

Gerudo Dragon · Post by **Gerudo Dragon** » 28 Aug 2013, 15:46

In 2011, Kimi Raikkonen was approached to take part in the infamous Las Vegas Indycar race, what if he did it?

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 28 Aug 2013, 15:49

Dark77 wrote:In 2011, Kimi Raikkonen was approached to take part in the infamous Las Vegas Indycar race, what if he did it?

I hate to think what could have happened. He would have probably started at the back, in around 30th place. From there, I think he would have been skilled enough to avoid the crash, but the car would have been entirely new to him, so I doubt that.

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 28 Aug 2013, 16:08

Pardon my reject-like ignorance..........but er...what does HWNSNBM stand for?

I know who HE is, BTW

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 28 Aug 2013, 16:10

wsrgo wrote:Pardon my reject-like ignorance..........but er...what does HWNSNBM stand for?

I know who HE is, BTW

He Who's Name Shall Not Be Mentioned because Jamie and Enoch mentioned him too much in podcast's which will happen to Max Chilton in the near future as well. It took me a while to figure out who he was at first. I thought we was a driver who had been made up initially

Post by **Londoner** » 28 Aug 2013, 16:10

go_Rubens wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:I'm not afraid to mention it

Z****!

Me neither

Well, it was nice knowing you two. Questioning our mighty overlord and using his real name will cause him to smite you.

wsrgo wrote:Pardon my reject-like ignorance..........but er...what does HWNSNBM stand for?

I know who HE is, BTW

He Whose Name Shall Not Be Mentioned

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 28 Aug 2013, 16:22

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
wsrgo wrote:Pardon my reject-like ignorance..........but er...what does HWNSNBM stand for?

I know who HE is, BTW

He Who's Name Shall Not Be Mentioned because Jamie and Enoch mentioned him too much in podcast's which will happen to Max Chilton in the near future as well. It took me a while to figure out who he was at first. I thought we was a driver who had been made up initially

Ah, thanks a lot, Freeze..

And once again, Freeze-O-Kimi shows an uncanny knack for unfreezing frozen questions :lol:

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 28 Aug 2013, 16:24

wsrgo wrote:And once again, Freeze-O-Kimi shows an uncanny knack for unfreezing frozen questions

While doing it with ice

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 28 Aug 2013, 16:28

go_Rubens wrote:
wsrgo wrote:And once again, Freeze-O-Kimi shows an uncanny knack for unfreezing frozen questions

While doing it with ice

Am suddenly reminded of Kimi-ICE...the transformation has been seamless..

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 28 Aug 2013, 20:06

I was wondering about some drivers that lose the victory in crucial moments. What if:

Hill had wrecked Villeneuve in the last lap of hungaroring/97?
Barrichello had wrecked Schumacher in their dispute in Indy/05? (I think that Barrichello already had signed a contract with Honda in that moment)
Fisichella had wrecked Raikkonen in the last lap of Suzuka/05?
Webber had wrecked Vettel in Sepang (in this year)?

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 28 Aug 2013, 20:18

Dj_bereta wrote:I was wondering about some drivers that lose the victory in crucial moments. What if:

Hill had wrecked Villeneuve in the last lap of hungaroring/97?

Johnny Herbert victory! Sauber's first win too.

Dj_bereta wrote:Barrichello had wrecked Schumacher in their dispute in Indy/05? (I think that Barrichello already had signed a contract with Honda in that moment)

All i'd care about is Jordan scoring yet another win, and Minardi would get their best ever result.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 28 Aug 2013, 20:20

Dj_bereta wrote:I was wondering about some drivers that lose the victory in crucial moments. What if:

Hill had wrecked Villeneuve in the last lap of hungaroring/97?
Barrichello had wrecked Schumacher in their dispute in Indy/05? (I think that Barrichello already had signed a contract with Honda in that moment)
Fisichella had wrecked Raikkonen in the last lap of Suzuka/05?
Webber had wrecked Vettel in Sepang (in this year)?

If Hill and JV had clashed and both went out, Herbert and Sauber would have won! Schumacher would have finished 2nd and Villeneuve would have lost the title. Even if Hill survived and won the race, Schumi would have been 3rd and still would have been champion. Jerezgate might have never happened.

If the Ferraris and clashed and Schumacher retired, the Jordans would both have finished on the podium, with Barrichello winning and the crowd possibly booing even louder. If both went out Monteiro would have won in a Jordan 1-2 and the Minardi of Albers would have been on the podium! Barrichello would probably have stayed on at the Scuderia until the end of the year.

If Fisichella and Raikkonen clashed, Alonso would have made it a Renault 1-2 and the team would have had a bigger lead in the constructors over McLaren, almost sealing the title. Webber would have finished 3rd. If both went out, Alonso would have won from Webber and Button.

If Webber took out Vettel it would have been a reverse repeat of Turkey 2010, but again I think Webber wouldn't be fired. Hamilton would be the victor if the team had both drivers DNF.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 29 Aug 2013, 00:12

Speaking of HWNSNBM, what if he continued racing in F1?

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 29 Aug 2013, 06:03

good_Ralf wrote:Barrichello would probably have stayed on at the Scuderia until the end of the year.

I don't think so. Sauber had Massa there on loan from Ferrari (after all, he was tester for 2003), and BMW bought out Sauber mid-2005.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 29 Aug 2013, 12:13

go_Rubens wrote:Speaking of HWNSNBM, what if he continued racing in F1?

He would have scored more points at Indy! That is if he was still driving for Minardi.

Shizuka wrote:I don't think so. Sauber had Massa there on loan from Ferrari (after all, he was tester for 2003), and BMW bought out Sauber mid-2005.

Then Rubens would have been fired

and Massa would have scored his first podium(s) perhaps, otherwise just a points scorer or worse. He probably wouldn't have done better than Barrichello but undoubtedly would have stayed on for 2006, where the real story begins.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 29 Aug 2013, 12:15

good_Ralf wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:Speaking of HWNSNBM, what if he continued racing in F1?

He would have scored more points at Indy! That is if he was still driving for Minardi.

He probably would have won the battle for the Podium had he contested Indy 2005 (Although to some people here he might have won the race 8-)

)

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 29 Aug 2013, 14:47

What if the public roads at Spa were never closed on the racing circuit?

apple2009 · Post by **apple2009** » 29 Aug 2013, 14:53

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
East Londoner wrote:
Good word, that's almost as big a crime as uttering HWNSNBM's real name...

What [censored]?

Papayas. Flaming ones.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 29 Aug 2013, 21:49

go_Rubens wrote:What if the public roads at Spa were never closed on the racing circuit?

The circuit would just be used less frequently, because the by-pass roads wouldn't have been built, that is really all. All the safety works for formula one would have happenned anyway. Everyday traffic could theoretically perfectly run at the current track, just need to draw a few lines, and put a few temporary traffic signs, and voila.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 30 Aug 2013, 00:30

This wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:What if the public roads at Spa were never closed on the racing circuit?

The circuit would just be used less frequently, because the by-pass roads wouldn't have been built, that is really all. All the safety works for formula one would have happenned anyway. Everyday traffic could theoretically perfectly run at the current track, just need to draw a few lines, and put a few temporary traffic signs, and voila.

Yeah. But would the rest of the roads be resurfaced like they were in 2002 after the roads closed?

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 30 Aug 2013, 00:51

go_Rubens wrote:
This wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:What if the public roads at Spa were never closed on the racing circuit?

The circuit would just be used less frequently, because the by-pass roads wouldn't have been built, that is really all. All the safety works for formula one would have happenned anyway. Everyday traffic could theoretically perfectly run at the current track, just need to draw a few lines, and put a few temporary traffic signs, and voila.

Yeah. But would the rest of the roads be resurfaced like they were in 2002 after the roads closed?

Yes. Having daily trafic would have meaned that resurfacing would have to be done more frequently, though Especially considering the rather poor quality of asphalt on Belgian public roads. But i'm sure that it wouldn't make much difference, other than that it would cause a lot of traffic problems at race weekends (which is the main reason why the circuit is permanently closed, and the by-pass was created)

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 01 Sep 2013, 13:02

What if Ferrari had repeated their Austrian GP events at the European GP at the Nürburgring 2002? Not really what if about the championship, but the reactions around it and so on.

Post by **Londoner** » 01 Sep 2013, 16:40

What if Ford decided to keep Jaguar going after 2004 instead of selling the team to Red Bull. Would it be more of the same mismanagement, or would there be an upswing in performance considering that the RB1 was in effect the 2005 Jaguar chassis, and was a consistantly competitive car?

I've always wondered what the RB1 would look like in Jaguar's livery.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 01 Sep 2013, 17:07

Bleu wrote:What if Ferrari had repeated their Austrian GP events at the European GP at the Nürburgring 2002? Not really what if about the championship, but the reactions around it and so on.

Ferrari wouldn't become any more popular. Considering that Austria got a ton of "BOO!" around the event, I wouldn't be surprised if that happened again. Even if the victor was Michael Schumacher.

East Londoner wrote:What if Ford decided to keep Jaguar going after 2004 instead of selling the team to Red Bull. Would it be more of the same mismanagement, or would there be an upswing in performance considering that the RB1 was in effect the 2005 Jaguar chassis, and was a consistantly competitive car?

I've always wondered what the RB1 would look like in Jaguar's livery.

Their management was always poor before 2005, so I wouldn't expect anything different from them. On track, they would have scored decent points that year.

watka · Post by **watka** » 02 Sep 2013, 00:13

What if Red Bull had made Webber their undisputed number 1 driver from 2009 onwards?

DOSBoot · Post by **DOSBoot** » 02 Sep 2013, 00:21

watka wrote:What if Red Bull had made Webber their undisputed number 1 driver from 2009 onwards?

Webber would win the championship in 2010. 2011 would have been a much closer season, and Button probably would have taken it. 2012, he finishes runner-up to Alonso. 2013 he would be on much better form, and Vettel would be saked at the end of the year for Maylasia, but Webber would still retire anyways. Vettel would take a few wins, but would be given 90 percent of the mechanical problems, and team orders. (It feels good to dream.)

Gerudo Dragon · Post by **Gerudo Dragon** » 02 Sep 2013, 00:48

What if Piquet died in this crash?

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 02 Sep 2013, 03:58

Dark77 wrote:What if Piquet died in this crash?

Jovy Marcelo might have not died as his crash was quite similar although at the opposite end of the front straightaway in turn one. Either that or the 1992 race would have been as dark as the 1973 Indy 500 with Art Pollard and Swede Savage.