The National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing thread

Hound55 · Post by **Hound55** » 08 Sep 2013, 04:44

Well, I think this is incredibly worthy of a discussion.

With a few laps to go in the final race before the chase, Newman takes the lead. If he wins the race, he is part of the chase by virtue of his previous win and the win that would have occurred tonight. Newman is contesting this second wildcard spot in the chase with Martin Truex Jr, who also has a single win.

Clint Bowyer, Truex's teammate, receives word that Newman has the lead. As a result, he does this.

Caution flag comes out. Everyone dives for the pits for tires. Newman comes out behind several other drivers. Vickers slows down considerably to allow Logano (who was battling for 10th in the championship with Gordon) to pass him. Edwards goes on to win.

Logano (driver from different team) and Truex make the chase as a result, Newman does not.

Discuss. As outrageous as it is, be civil.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 08 Sep 2013, 11:36

I have a bigger problem with Edwards blatantly jumping the restart but getting the okay from NASCAR because he and Paul Menard, who should've been leading on the restart but didn't because Edwards is a douchebag, made contact. That's such bathplugging bullshite... but at least Kurt Busch made the Chase. That was the only thing I was worried about.

Dan B · Post by **Dan B** » 08 Sep 2013, 14:52

Hound55 wrote:Well, I think this is incredibly worthy of a discussion.

With a few laps to go in the final race before the chase, Newman takes the lead. If he wins the race, he is part of the chase by virtue of his previous win and the win that would have occurred tonight. Newman is contesting this second wildcard spot in the chase with Martin Truex Jr, who also has a single win.

Clint Bowyer, Truex's teammate, receives word that Newman has the lead. As a result, he does this.

Caution flag comes out. Everyone dives for the pits for tires. Newman comes out behind several other drivers. Vickers slows down considerably to allow Logano (who was battling for 10th in the championship with Gordon) to pass him. Edwards goes on to win.

Logano (driver from different team) and Truex make the chase as a result, Newman does not.

Discuss. As outrageous as it is, be civil.

I know this seems like a bit of a stretch but why am I reminded of Crashgate?

In any case, Bowyer needs to be thrown out for a few races and MWR eliminated from the Chase. I don't know if Truex knew that Bowyer caused the caution to come out, granted, but it will look bad on him.

Or maybe he learned some things from Nelson Piquet Jr; who knows

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 08 Sep 2013, 16:21

Dan B wrote:
Hound55 wrote:Well, I think this is incredibly worthy of a discussion.

With a few laps to go in the final race before the chase, Newman takes the lead. If he wins the race, he is part of the chase by virtue of his previous win and the win that would have occurred tonight. Newman is contesting this second wildcard spot in the chase with Martin Truex Jr, who also has a single win.

Clint Bowyer, Truex's teammate, receives word that Newman has the lead. As a result, he does this.

Caution flag comes out. Everyone dives for the pits for tires. Newman comes out behind several other drivers. Vickers slows down considerably to allow Logano (who was battling for 10th in the championship with Gordon) to pass him. Edwards goes on to win.

Logano (driver from different team) and Truex make the chase as a result, Newman does not.

Discuss. As outrageous as it is, be civil.

I know this seems like a bit of a stretch but why am I reminded of Crashgate?

In any case, Bowyer needs to be thrown out for a few races and MWR eliminated from the Chase. I don't know if Truex knew that Bowyer caused the caution to come out, granted, but it will look bad on him.

Or maybe he learned some things from Nelson Piquet Jr; who knows

I think Dale Jr. and Mark Martin did things like this about a decade ago. As Jr. spun himself out lazily to get Jeff Gordon back on the lead lap and to keep himself from having to pit in under green at Bristol. Martin blew his own engine out as to help Matt Kenseth trap a bunch of drivers a lap down at Rockingham in 2003. I also blame Paul Menard's poor restart and if Carl Edwards was black-flagged, Newman could have finished 2nd and got in as Truex won the tiebreaker to make the chase. This isn't new at all. In fact one could have said Jimmie Johnson also deliberately overheated his tires resulting in a blowout to get Jeff Gordon back on the lead lap.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 10 Sep 2013, 02:27

Martin Truex Jr. is now out of the chase due to NASCAR cheating scandal.

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 10 Sep 2013, 02:47

ok so they didn't quite pull a Briatore, but it is sort of like what happened in 'Pore 2008 where one team member was pushed forward at the expense of another.
obviously, instead of crashing one car out, they pitted to allow the other driver to pass him under green and gain the point needed. the points mean nothing for them now, as they have been docked severely.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 10 Sep 2013, 14:21

nome66 wrote:ok so they didn't quite pull a Briatore, but it is sort of like what happened in 'Pore 2008 where one team member was pushed forward at the expense of another.
obviously, instead of crashing one car out, they pitted to allow the other driver to pass him under green and gain the point needed. the points mean nothing for them now, as they have been docked severely.

Clint Bowyer spun out, and then Vickers allowed Logano by gaining position by pitting in. I guess Penske got lucky as there was no evidence of communication between Penske and Michael Waltrip.

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 10 Sep 2013, 15:16

"Does your arm hurt?" "Maybe you should itch it!"

Seriously? Who comes up with these team orders? NASCAR sort of fixed the wrong (MWR has taken no responsibility so far, instead saying Ty went rouge), and yes, Gordon should be in, but I don't like Gordon, so I'm okay with it

.

I'm more interested in how Newman will do after absolutely shredding his crew Saturday. I think a few "slow stops" are in his future. But what do I know.

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 14 Sep 2013, 14:24

And now Gordon is in the Chase, as the 13th man, and NASCAR has now banned team orders, while acknowledging it was commonplace in years past. Pure idiocy. Why not oh I don't know? Have a real points championship? And not a stick-and-ball playoff? Nah, makes too much sense.....

Hound55 · Post by **Hound55** » 14 Sep 2013, 16:11

Wallio wrote:And now Gordon is in the Chase, as the 13th man, and NASCAR has now banned team orders, while acknowledging it was commonplace in years past. Pure idiocy. Why not oh I don't know? Have a real points championship? And not a stick-and-ball playoff? Nah, makes too much sense.....

When I saw that I was pretty blown away. I mean, just insert him like that? No penalties? I just can't wrap my head around it.

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 14 Sep 2013, 17:34

Hound55 wrote:
Wallio wrote:And now Gordon is in the Chase, as the 13th man, and NASCAR has now banned team orders, while acknowledging it was commonplace in years past. Pure idiocy. Why not oh I don't know? Have a real points championship? And not a stick-and-ball playoff? Nah, makes too much sense.....

When I saw that I was pretty blown away. I mean, just insert him like that? No penalties? I just can't wrap my head around it.

No one can.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 14 Sep 2013, 18:16

Wallio wrote: Why not oh I don't know? Have a real points championship? And not a stick-and-ball playoff? Nah, makes too much sense.....

this

apple2009 · Post by **apple2009** » 14 Sep 2013, 19:35

Jocke1 wrote:
Wallio wrote: Why not oh I don't know? Have a real points championship? And not a stick-and-ball playoff? Nah, makes too much sense.....

this

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 14 Sep 2013, 21:23

apple2009 wrote:
Jocke1 wrote:
Wallio wrote: Why not oh I don't know? Have a real points championship? And not a stick-and-ball playoff? Nah, makes too much sense.....

this

Really? Was that worth it? :roll:

If you have nothing to say, then don't even post nothing. Please. Just don't post at all if there's nothing to add.

apple2009 · Post by **apple2009** » 14 Sep 2013, 22:21

dr-baker wrote:
apple2009 wrote:
Jocke1 wrote:this

Really? Was that worth it? If you have nothing to say, then don't even post nothing. Please. Just don't post at all if there's nothing to add.

Are you trolling or something? I can't tell.

Post by **Ataxia** » 14 Sep 2013, 22:28

apple2009 wrote:
dr-baker wrote:Really? Was that worth it? If you have nothing to say, then don't even post nothing. Please. Just don't post at all if there's nothing to add.

Are you trolling or something? I can't tell.

Engage your brain and have a good, long think.

Post by **Londoner** » 14 Sep 2013, 22:29

Dr Baker trolling? Now that's something I'd pay to see! :twisted:

apple2009 · Post by **apple2009** » 14 Sep 2013, 22:31

East Londoner wrote:Dr Baker trolling? Now that's something I'd pay to see!

Well you got it for free. Lucky you.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 14 Sep 2013, 22:39

apple2009 wrote:
East Londoner wrote:Dr Baker trolling? Now that's something I'd pay to see!

Well you got it for free. Lucky you.

Must be a bonus given that NASCAR has trolled us.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 15 Sep 2013, 00:48

All of Rick Hendrick and Jeff Gordon's crying might hit the race -- because there's a 60% chance of rain on Sunday.

...and I'll be at that race...

...bathplug.

apple2009 · Post by **apple2009** » 15 Sep 2013, 19:35

The Chase is a joke.

Hound55 · Post by **Hound55** » 15 Sep 2013, 23:54

Cynon wrote:All of Rick Hendrick and Jeff Gordon's crying might hit the race -- because there's a 60% chance of rain on Sunday.

...and I'll be at that race...

...bathplug.

Sorry for the rain, man. That sucks.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 16 Sep 2013, 11:07

apple2009 wrote:The Chase is a joke.

At least Martin Truex Jr. proves how much more inferior he is to Clint Bowyer as started ten positions better yet finished nine positions behind who might be NASCAR's most unpopular driver right now. I still don't like the chase as it would be a three way race right now under the old system between Carl Edwards, Clint Bowyer, and Jimmie Johnson.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 16 Sep 2013, 23:59

Well, Kenseth wins the Chicago race in the first Chase race. Most number of wins in a season for a driver in a long while.

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 19 Sep 2013, 16:51

http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/19/michael-waltrip-racing-to-lose-napa-sponsorship-at-years-end/

NAPA out at MWR. Seem odd to anyone else? Sterno gel in the intake is ok, but this isn't?

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 19 Sep 2013, 17:18

Wallio wrote:http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/19/michael-waltrip-racing-to-lose-napa-sponsorship-at-years-end/

NAPA out at MWR. Seem odd to anyone else? Sterno gel in the intake is ok, but this isn't?

Martin Truex Jr. isn't exactly the best driver in NASCAR either. I don't think one wants to have a sponsor tied to a driver who has only won two races in nearly 300 career NASCAR Sprint Cup events after a cheating scandal. As in Martin Truex Jr. has the shades of Dave Marcis all over him at this point.

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 19 Sep 2013, 17:57

Onxy Wrecked wrote:
Wallio wrote:http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/19/michael-waltrip-racing-to-lose-napa-sponsorship-at-years-end/

NAPA out at MWR. Seem odd to anyone else? Sterno gel in the intake is ok, but this isn't?

Martin Truex Jr. isn't exactly the best driver in NASCAR either. I don't think one wants to have a sponsor tied to a driver who has only won two races in nearly 300 career NASCAR Sprint Cup events after a cheating scandal. As in Martin Truex Jr. has the shades of Dave Marcis all over him at this point.

Normally I would agree with that, but they stayed with Mikey for years, and Truex can drive circles around Mikey. I dunno, to me Sterno-gate and Floorboardmagnet-gate are worse, although both of those are tame compared to "secret-double-turbo-gate" in the WRC and the first Spygate (which everyone seems to forget about) in 2003. Man Tyota really gets caught a lot don't they?

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 19 Sep 2013, 20:22

Wallio wrote:
Onxy Wrecked wrote:Martin Truex Jr. isn't exactly the best driver in NASCAR either. I don't think one wants to have a sponsor tied to a driver who has only won two races in nearly 300 career NASCAR Sprint Cup events after a cheating scandal. As in Martin Truex Jr. has the shades of Dave Marcis all over him at this point.

Normally I would agree with that, but they stayed with Mikey for years, and Truex can drive circles around Mikey. I dunno, to me Sterno-gate and Floorboardmagnet-gate are worse, although both of those are tame compared to "secret-double-turbo-gate" in the WRC and the first Spygate (which everyone seems to forget about) in 2003. Man Tyota really gets caught a lot don't they?

I think Toyota is some sort of company who says win at all costs. The problem is that Newman has more wins and poles than Truex Jr. as does Kurt Busch. Both of them have had problems securing sponsorship in the past. When the other options available are that much better than Truex Jr., I wouldn't be shocked that Napa jumped ship after this scandal given the other drivers who could land the sponsorship include a driver with 17 wins and 50 poles and another with 24 wins, 16 poles, and a championship. A couple better drivers with sponsorship troubles who are currently as good as Truex Jr. without the scandal baggage. There is a lot more media coverage with more wins and poles, and Busch and Newman have just about 150 more NASCAR starts than Truex Jr.

Dan B · Post by **Dan B** » 22 Sep 2013, 15:43

Wallio wrote:http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/19/michael-waltrip-racing-to-lose-napa-sponsorship-at-years-end/

NAPA out at MWR. Seem odd to anyone else? Sterno gel in the intake is ok, but this isn't?

I can't help but think that NAPA wanted out of MWR for a long while. Granted they did stick with those prior controversies but the incidents in Richmond might've been the straw that broke the camel's back.

I wonder if they're going to any other team; I'm sure some of the smaller teams would love to pick up NAPA, or conversely, they could go to a big team (Roush, Hendrick, Penske, etc).

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 22 Sep 2013, 21:21

Anyone else saw that Kasey Kahne interview a few minutes ago? :shock:

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 22 Sep 2013, 21:33

KENSETH WINS AGAIN!

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 22 Sep 2013, 21:38

Kenseth is on a roll right now. 2 for 2 in the Chase.

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 22 Sep 2013, 21:44

Jocke1 wrote:Anyone else saw that Kasey Kahne interview a few minutes ago?

No, what's he whinging about now? Out of hair gel?

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 22 Sep 2013, 21:51

Wallio wrote:
Jocke1 wrote:Anyone else saw that Kasey Kahne interview a few minutes ago?

No, what's he whinging about now? Out of hair gel?

My friends indicate that he is out of hair gel, and will have to wait until November to get it

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 22 Sep 2013, 21:55

That's what happens when you let male models drive a race car.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 23 Sep 2013, 00:52

Jocke1 wrote:Anyone else saw that Kasey Kahne interview a few minutes ago?

He needs more hair gel, stat! I bet MWR put Kasey's hair gel in the suspension of the car.

umatbru [aka nonameyet] · Post by **umatbru [aka nonameyet]** » 23 Sep 2013, 05:46

Cynon wrote:The America-Israel Policestatemobile went out pretty early, so it's not running the 500.

Thankfully.

On another note...

GO HOME MICHAEL WALTRIP

On car sponsored by a police state, the other sponsored by a false flag attack carried out by said police state. to hell with both. :evil:

apple2009 · Post by **apple2009** » 23 Sep 2013, 06:11

umatbru [aka nonameyet] wrote:
Cynon wrote:The America-Israel Policestatemobile went out pretty early, so it's not running the 500.

Thankfully.

On another note...

GO HOME MICHAEL WALTRIP

On car sponsored by a police state, the other sponsored by a false flag attack carried out by said police state. to hell with both.

What are you talking about?

umatbru [aka nonameyet] · Post by **umatbru [aka nonameyet]** » 23 Sep 2013, 08:00

apple2009 wrote:
umatbru [aka nonameyet] wrote:
Cynon wrote:The America-Israel Policestatemobile went out pretty early, so it's not running the 500.

Thankfully.

On another note...

GO HOME MICHAEL WALTRIP

On car sponsored by a police state, the other sponsored by a false flag attack carried out by said police state. to hell with both.

What are you talking about?

Michael Waltrip is sponsored by some Sandy hook shooting thing, the shooting being the said false flag attack.

Just look at these pages
https://www.google.com/url?q=http://vig ... YgliLaTFvg
https://www.google.com/url?q=http://vig ... vne2L8Z5uA
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/1 ... 81912.html

apple2009 · Post by **apple2009** » 23 Sep 2013, 08:31

I would laugh at the conspiracy theories if it didn't relate to such a tragic event.

And what is the "police state" in question? The USA?