Unpopular F1 opinions

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 21 Sep 2013, 15:14

Onxy Wrecked wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:I wish the Singapore Sling was still used as a chicane.

Martin Brundle has just agreed with you on sky. He said it took out an unusual element of the track

Brundle is just one person though.

So? It's one person. I must be credible

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 21 Sep 2013, 15:15

go_Rubens wrote:So? It's one person. I must be credible

However, he is more credible than most as a former F1 driver.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 21 Sep 2013, 17:38

Onxy Wrecked wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:So? It's one person. I must be credible

However, he is more credible than most as a former F1 driver.

That never drove that chicane. Personally, I'd be more interested to hear what David Coulthard had to say about it.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 21 Sep 2013, 17:45

Salamander wrote:
Onxy Wrecked wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:So? It's one person. I must be credible

However, he is more credible than most as a former F1 driver.

That never drove that chicane. Personally, I'd be more interested to hear what David Coulthard had to say about it.

Martin Brundle did have to navigate a few other treacherous chicanes like Alliot, Grouillard, and Badoer, so I would actually have to take him as a credible source in this area.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 21 Sep 2013, 18:31

I think Kimi is faking it.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 21 Sep 2013, 19:11

Wizzie wrote:While watching the GP2 race which is still going on right now, I have come to an epiphany: Singapore looks better in the day that it does at night.

Somehow, I was reminded of the Phoenix street circuit of the early 90s when I saw the track in free practice and GP2. Not sure if it's a good thing. :lol:

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 21 Sep 2013, 19:21

Nuppiz wrote:
Wizzie wrote:While watching the GP2 race which is still going on right now, I have come to an epiphany: Singapore looks better in the day that it does at night.

Somehow, I was reminded of the Phoenix street circuit of the early 90s when I saw the track in free practice and GP2. Not sure if it's a good thing.

The course that unrejectified Christmas Dinner, I mean Christian Danner.

Post by **Ataxia** » 21 Sep 2013, 19:21

Jocke1 wrote:I think Kimi is faking it.

Is that why his wife left him?

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 21 Sep 2013, 19:35

Ataxia wrote:
Jocke1 wrote:I think Kimi is faking it.

Is that why his wife left him?

Kimi is divorced?! Like Ralf?! Well they didn't have children, unsurprisingly for many reasons.

SgtPepper · Post by **SgtPepper** » 21 Sep 2013, 19:44

Ataxia wrote:
Jocke1 wrote:I think Kimi is faking it.

Is that why his wife left him?

Kimi was married?

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 21 Sep 2013, 19:49

SgtPepper wrote:Kimi was married?

Raikkonen tied the knot just days after the rear wing failure at Hockenheim in 2004.
Well that continues the very small trend of Finnish-born F1 champions eventually divorcing their wives.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 21 Sep 2013, 21:14

SgtPepper wrote:
Ataxia wrote:
Jocke1 wrote:I think Kimi is faking it.

Is that why his wife left him?

Kimi was married?

Yes he was. I'm surprised they actually separated.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 22 Sep 2013, 17:37

His ex was an ex-Miss Scandinavia I believe..

Rumour has it she's now with a 17 year old Irish Toranosuke Takagi fanboy

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 23 Sep 2013, 20:20

Really unpopular one. Mark Webber will end 2013 without a win.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 23 Sep 2013, 20:22

good_Ralf wrote:Really unpopular one. Mark Webber will end 2013 without a win.

I sadly agree with you. Not unless Vettel does something stupid. Then he will get a win, or at least, have a better shot at one. But RBR's reliability has been piss poor the past two or three races. Singapore was the low.

SgtPepper · Post by **SgtPepper** » 23 Sep 2013, 21:35

good_Ralf wrote:Really unpopular one. Mark Webber will end 2013 without a win.

Not sure if that's unpopular really, more just extremely depressing.

umatbru [aka nonameyet] · Post by **umatbru [aka nonameyet]** » 23 Sep 2013, 23:50

James hunt was Sonic the hedgehog In real life (c'mon, they're both fast and even sonic has banged a few ladies himself)

Post by **Ataxia** » 23 Sep 2013, 23:56

umatbru [aka nonameyet] wrote:James hunt was Sonic the hedgehog In real life (c'mon, they're both fast and even sonic has banged a few ladies himself)

umatbru [aka nonameyet] · Post by **umatbru [aka nonameyet]** » 24 Sep 2013, 00:01

Ataxia wrote:
umatbru [aka nonameyet] wrote:James hunt was Sonic the hedgehog In real life (c'mon, they're both fast and even sonic has banged a few ladies himself)

You find my comparison creepy, don't you

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 24 Sep 2013, 02:01

The distorted sound clips of the new V6 turbos next year sound good.

umatbru [aka nonameyet] · Post by **umatbru [aka nonameyet]** » 24 Sep 2013, 03:10

Why isn't anyone replying to my post with words?

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 24 Sep 2013, 05:57

If Lotus hire Nico Hulkenberg, he will not be able to beat Romain Grosjean over the whole year. I don't think he's as great as everyone makes out.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 24 Sep 2013, 07:20

umatbru [aka nonameyet] wrote:Why isn't anyone replying to my post with words?

Erm, because you posted it at a time when pretty much all European members are asleep, thus making the potential crowd relatively small? And that post was quite far-fetched so there probably aren't that many people who have any opinion on it anyway.

Asking for people to reply to your earlier post - especially after only three hours after posting it - is not going to get you anywhere. People will reply if there's something they want to comment on it - if there are no replies, just move on.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 24 Sep 2013, 19:06

Salamander wrote:If Lotus hire Nico Hulkenberg, he will not be able to beat Romain Grosjean over the whole year. I don't think he's as great as everyone makes out.

I agree with that, but only on the premise I am a RoGro fanboy and thus am under the impression he is the new Fangio/Clark/Senna/Prost/Schumacher/Vettel/Chilton

Post by **mario** » 24 Sep 2013, 20:08

good_Ralf wrote:Really unpopular one. Mark Webber will end 2013 without a win.

Unpopular in the sense that it is probably likely to be true - it's worth bearing in mind that the last time Webber led a lap was in Hungary, which gives some idea of how much of an advantage Vettel has had over him in recent races. Even figures like Alonso, who is in a weaker car, has more frequently and more recently lead laps than Webber has, which shows that things just aren't working out well for Webber right now. The upcoming circuits are not necessarily his strongest either - his best bet probably came and went in Silverstone if we're honest.

takagi_for_the_win wrote:
Salamander wrote:If Lotus hire Nico Hulkenberg, he will not be able to beat Romain Grosjean over the whole year. I don't think he's as great as everyone makes out.

I agree with that, but only on the premise I am a RoGro fanboy and thus am under the impression he is the new Fangio/Clark/Senna/Prost/Schumacher/Vettel/Chilton

I'm curious as to the exact reasoning why you think that Grosjean would, over a full season, beat Hulkenberg? Do you believe that Grosjean's raw talent exceeds that of Hulkenberg? That Grosjean can set up a car more effectively and therefore gains more time that way? That he is a better judge of strategy? Or would it be something else entirely?

Post by **kevinbotz** » 24 Sep 2013, 21:44

mario wrote:
takagi_for_the_win wrote:
Salamander wrote:If Lotus hire Nico Hulkenberg, he will not be able to beat Romain Grosjean over the whole year. I don't think he's as great as everyone makes out.

I agree with that, but only on the premise I am a RoGro fanboy and thus am under the impression he is the new Fangio/Clark/Senna/Prost/Schumacher/Vettel/Chilton

I'm curious as to the exact reasoning why you think that Grosjean would, over a full season, beat Hulkenberg? Do you believe that Grosjean's raw talent exceeds that of Hulkenberg? That Grosjean can set up a car more effectively and therefore gains more time that way? That he is a better judge of strategy? Or would it be something else entirely?

I think it's still too early to speculate. Questions still remain over Grosjean's consistency, and we've yet to see Hulkenberg in competitive machinery, which unfortunately clouds the true extent of his capabilities.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 24 Sep 2013, 21:51

Salamander wrote:
Onxy Wrecked wrote:However, he is more credible than most as a former F1 driver.

That never drove that chicane. Personally, I'd be more interested to hear what David Coulthard had to say about it.

Plenty of those moving chicanes who were even worse than the thing in Singapore back in Brundle's day.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 26 Sep 2013, 16:40

In light of this year's FR3.5 season up until now, I reckon Felix da Costa doesn't deserve to replace Ricciardo in the Toro Rosso. There is no one else from RB junior program to rush into that seat, though...

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 26 Sep 2013, 18:50

mario wrote:
takagi_for_the_win wrote:
Salamander wrote:If Lotus hire Nico Hulkenberg, he will not be able to beat Romain Grosjean over the whole year. I don't think he's as great as everyone makes out.

I agree with that, but only on the premise I am a RoGro fanboy and thus am under the impression he is the new Fangio/Clark/Senna/Prost/Schumacher/Vettel/Chilton

I'm curious as to the exact reasoning why you think that Grosjean would, over a full season, beat Hulkenberg? Do you believe that Grosjean's raw talent exceeds that of Hulkenberg? That Grosjean can set up a car more effectively and therefore gains more time that way? That he is a better judge of strategy? Or would it be something else entirely?

Quite simply, I think that Grosjean has more latent pace than Hulkenberg. Of course, neither are able to match the likes of Vettel/Hamilton, who are the two quickest in my opinion, but Grosjean has the edge over Hulkenberg there to be honest. Grosjean is also on a very good run at the moment, which will no doubt fill him with confidence- and considering Grosjean is what I'd call a "confidence driver", this will stand him in good stead for the end of this season and the start of next. Remember how, at the start of 2012, RoGro could match Raikkonen? That is how good he is when on top psychological form.

Obviously, this is all hugely hypothetical, and if Grosjean goes on to cause a 9 car pile-up at the next race, I will no doubt have a huge egg on my face

Post by **mario** » 26 Sep 2013, 18:54

mario wrote:
takagi_for_the_win wrote:
Salamander wrote:If Lotus hire Nico Hulkenberg, he will not be able to beat Romain Grosjean over the whole year. I don't think he's as great as everyone makes out.

I agree with that, but only on the premise I am a RoGro fanboy and thus am under the impression he is the new Fangio/Clark/Senna/Prost/Schumacher/Vettel/Chilton

I'm curious as to the exact reasoning why you think that Grosjean would, over a full season, beat Hulkenberg? Do you believe that Grosjean's raw talent exceeds that of Hulkenberg? That Grosjean can set up a car more effectively and therefore gains more time that way? That he is a better judge of strategy? Or would it be something else entirely?

kevinbotz wrote:I think it's still too early to speculate. Questions still remain over Grosjean's consistency, and we've yet to see Hulkenberg in competitive machinery, which unfortunately clouds the true extent of his capabilities.

That's kind of why I was asking - I don't think that we can definitely say who would get the better hand over who if Hulkenberg and Grosjean drove against each other, so I was curious as to the reasoning behind that assertion.

DanielPT wrote:In light of this year's FR3.5 season up until now, I reckon Felix da Costa doesn't deserve to replace Ricciardo in the Toro Rosso. There is no one else from RB junior program to rush into that seat, though...

da Costa probably will end up getting a seat in F1 effectively by default - his FR3.5 season is still fairly solid given that he has two wins and lies 3rd in the championship, but he hasn't quite shown the same performance that he showed in 2012 and has seen Vandoorne and Magnussen steal some of the limelight from him.

The problem is that the next most viable alternatives are in GP3 (Kyvat and Sainz Jr.) or Formula 3 (Blomqvist) - although drivers used to make the jump from F3 to F1 more regularly in the past, it's been much rarer in recent seasons for drivers to be promoted from the ranks of F3/GP3 into F1. The only driver to have done that recently is Bottas, but Williams made sure that he was allocated a significant amount of mileage in free practise sessions so he'd qualify for a superlicence when they made the application (and makes you suspect that they were planning on throwing Bruno Senna out from much earlier in the season than they'd perhaps like to admit to).
Even though Sainz Jr. did attract a fair bit of praise for his testing performances earlier this year, I am not sure that Red Bull would gamble on promoting him that quickly - I think that it is more likely that da Costa will be promoted, but the most promising junior driver (Sainz Jr or Blomqvist) would probably be promoted to FR3.5 and prepared as a possible replacement should da Costa find himself out of his depth.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 27 Sep 2013, 22:27

umatbru [aka nonameyet] wrote:James hunt was Sonic the hedgehog In real life (c'mon, they're both fast and even sonic has banged a few ladies himself)

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watka · Post by **watka** » 27 Sep 2013, 22:47

mario wrote:da Costa probably will end up getting a seat in F1 effectively by default - his FR3.5 season is still fairly solid given that he has two wins and lies 3rd in the championship, but he hasn't quite shown the same performance that he showed in 2012 and has seen Vandoorne and Magnussen steal some of the limelight from him.

The problem is that the next most viable alternatives are in GP3 (Kyvat and Sainz Jr.) or Formula 3 (Blomqvist) - although drivers used to make the jump from F3 to F1 more regularly in the past, it's been much rarer in recent seasons for drivers to be promoted from the ranks of F3/GP3 into F1. The only driver to have done that recently is Bottas, but Williams made sure that he was allocated a significant amount of mileage in free practise sessions so he'd qualify for a superlicence when they made the application (and makes you suspect that they were planning on throwing Bruno Senna out from much earlier in the season than they'd perhaps like to admit to).
Even though Sainz Jr. did attract a fair bit of praise for his testing performances earlier this year, I am not sure that Red Bull would gamble on promoting him that quickly - I think that it is more likely that da Costa will be promoted, but the most promising junior driver (Sainz Jr or Blomqvist) would probably be promoted to FR3.5 and prepared as a possible replacement should da Costa find himself out of his depth.

I agree that this is exactly what will happen. Da Costa is in a pretty fortunate position to have a Toro Rosso seat ready and warm for him with no other real challengers for the seat, and then its fairly likely that Vergne won't be around for too much longer in which case they can shaft JEV and give Sainz or Kyvat a seat whilst da Costa gets another season. Its a shame to have a situation like this where there are several GP2 and FR3.5 drivers probably more deserving of a seat than him but none of them are affiliated with Red Bull.

Here's the part where someone comes along and posts a Robin Frijns sympathy comment. Which gives me the chance to throw out an unpopular opinion myself; Frijns deserves a GP2 seat but is nowhere near ready for F1.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 28 Sep 2013, 08:43

watka wrote:Here's the part where someone comes along and posts a Robin Frijns sympathy comment. Which gives me the chance to throw out an unpopular opinion myself; Frijns deserves a GP2 seat but is nowhere near ready for F1.

So, what, do you think Jules Bianchi is not ready for F1? Because Frijns beat him to the FR3.5 title.

watka · Post by **watka** » 28 Sep 2013, 17:42

Salamander wrote:
watka wrote:Here's the part where someone comes along and posts a Robin Frijns sympathy comment. Which gives me the chance to throw out an unpopular opinion myself; Frijns deserves a GP2 seat but is nowhere near ready for F1.

So, what, do you think Jules Bianchi is not ready for F1? Because Frijns beat him to the FR3.5 title.

Frijns only won the title because of articles a) and b). Not to say it wasn't an impressive season for Frijns though.

In GP2, Frijns has had one very good weekend at Spain, but that's about it. He needed to see out this season and then do another season to have a real stab at the title I think. Perhaps nowhere near ready is very harsh, but certainly not ready until 2015. Also, have Sauber dropped him purely for financial reasons? If there are rumours they are getting rid of Gutierrez, and they're getting the money they need from Sirotkin, then why isn't Frijns in the running for a race seat?

Bianchi on the other hand is far more experienced, twice 3rd in the GP2 Series and as above, 2nd in the FR3.5. That coupled with running 9 times in free practice for Force India in 2012 and being on Ferrari's books suggested that he was ready.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 28 Sep 2013, 19:28

watka wrote:
Salamander wrote:
watka wrote:Here's the part where someone comes along and posts a Robin Frijns sympathy comment. Which gives me the chance to throw out an unpopular opinion myself; Frijns deserves a GP2 seat but is nowhere near ready for F1.

So, what, do you think Jules Bianchi is not ready for F1? Because Frijns beat him to the FR3.5 title.

Frijns only won the title because of articles a) and b). Not to say it wasn't an impressive season for Frijns though.

So Bianchi was running an illegal car, so what? And as for their collision, I see it as a racing incident.

In GP2, Frijns has had one very good weekend at Spain, but that's about it. He needed to see out this season and then do another season to have a real stab at the title I think. Perhaps nowhere near ready is very harsh, but certainly not ready until 2015. Also, have Sauber dropped him purely for financial reasons? If there are rumours they are getting rid of Gutierrez, and they're getting the money they need from Sirotkin, then why isn't Frijns in the running for a race seat?

Bianchi on the other hand is far more experienced, twice 3rd in the GP2 Series and as above, 2nd in the FR3.5. That coupled with running 9 times in free practice for Force India in 2012 and being on Ferrari's books suggested that he was ready.

Yeah, Frijns' races in GP2 haven't been that impressive. However, I think he would've done better if he had a drive for the whole season, not jumping in and out of rides as he has been.

He isn't in a running for a seat at Sauber because they already announced he was being dropped when they were taking on Sirotkin, and running 2 rookies, with one of them being as raw as Sirotkin, is not a situation any team wants to be in, especially one in as precarious a position as Sauber is.

Bianchi, on the other hand, has a good amount of success in junior formulae, but never could seal the deal at the GP2/FR3.5 level, despite being one of the most experienced drivers and talented drivers there. Whereas Frijns did it first time of asking.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 28 Sep 2013, 19:35

Salamander wrote:Yeah, Frijns' races in GP2 haven't been that impressive. However, I think he would've done better if he had a drive for the whole season, not jumping in and out of rides as he has been.

He isn't in a running for a seat at Sauber because they already announced he was being dropped when they were taking on Sirotkin, and running 2 rookies, with one of them being as raw as Sirotkin, is not a situation any team wants to be in, especially one in as precarious a position as Sauber is.

Bianchi, on the other hand, has a good amount of success in junior formulae, but never could seal the deal at the GP2/FR3.5 level, despite being one of the most experienced drivers and talented drivers there. Whereas Frijns did it first time of asking.

I think the painful stat of just 1 win in GP2 which came midway through his second year has made his road to F1 slightly longer too

Post by **mario** » 28 Sep 2013, 20:49

Salamander wrote:
watka wrote:Here's the part where someone comes along and posts a Robin Frijns sympathy comment. Which gives me the chance to throw out an unpopular opinion myself; Frijns deserves a GP2 seat but is nowhere near ready for F1.

So, what, do you think Jules Bianchi is not ready for F1? Because Frijns beat him to the FR3.5 title.

One issue that has been brought up sometimes has been moments of poor judgement from Frijns that has seen him antagonise those he has worked with, perhaps in part because of reportedly poor guidance from his management.

One example might be the fact that, when he rejected Red Bull's offer of a place on their Young Driver program, he did so with an unusually blunt public announcement - it is not normal to say that a driver management team works their drivers "like dogs" - that seems to have not only killed Red Bull's interest but also that of other outfits. Similarly, I believe that he made a few rash comments about Hilmer Motorsport too when they replaced him with Quaife-Hobbs that haven't done much for his reputation either - rightly or wrongly, it has cast a few aspersions against his psychology.

MrMasaTasa · Post by **MrMasaTasa** » 29 Sep 2013, 10:13

I think Felipe Nasr will get a seat in F1 next year

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 29 Sep 2013, 11:49

MrMasaTasa wrote:I think Felipe Nasr will get a seat in F1 next year

That couldn't be more popular with me

. Nasr FTW!

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 29 Sep 2013, 19:27

Paul di Resta should go to Nascar.