Unpopular F1 opinions

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 29 Sep 2013, 19:41

Jocke1 wrote:Paul di Resta should go to Nascar.

Once you go into a high-level non-NASCAR series, you permanently lock yourself into an inability to be good at NASCAR, and vice versa.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 30 Sep 2013, 16:43

F1 needs more interviews where the driver can say what he likes about the team rather than being turned into a dull and boring robot

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 30 Sep 2013, 17:06

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:F1 needs more interviews where the driver can say what he likes about the team rather than being turned into a dull and boring robot

While it would be good to see drivers expressing a bit more freedom in their interviews instead of the constant 'the team this, the team that', a driver turning up and moaning about the team all the time isn't very helpful to the situation, and it's disrespectful too.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 30 Sep 2013, 18:48

pasta_maldonado wrote:a driver turning up and moaning about the team all the time isn't very helpful to the situation, and it's disrespectful too.

I think that sums up a certan Scottsman quite well :lol:

so does this

SgtPepper · Post by **SgtPepper** » 30 Sep 2013, 19:31

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:F1 needs more interviews where the driver can say what he likes about the team rather than being turned into a dull and boring robot

Absolutely agree, though Pasta is also right that just bitching isn't helpful either. I always turn off an interview the minute they say 'for sure'.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 30 Sep 2013, 19:35

SgtPepper wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:F1 needs more interviews where the driver can say what he likes about the team rather than being turned into a dull and boring robot

Absolutely agree, though Pasta is also right that just bitching isn't helpful either. I always turn off an interview the minute they say 'for sure'.

That;s what i was trying to say. They shouldn't be slagging the team off a la Di Resta but I just want to hear something more than the usual phrases like "for sure" and "the team" and in Nico Rosberg's case "In general"

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 30 Sep 2013, 19:48

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
SgtPepper wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:F1 needs more interviews where the driver can say what he likes about the team rather than being turned into a dull and boring robot

Absolutely agree, though Pasta is also right that just bitching isn't helpful either. I always turn off an interview the minute they say 'for sure'.

That;s what i was trying to say. They shouldn't be slagging the team off a la Di Resta but I just want to hear something more than the usual phrases like "for sure" and "the team" and in Nico Rosberg's case "In general"

For sure, it was not so good, but it's the same for everyone and we'll focus on the next race.

SgtPepper · Post by **SgtPepper** » 30 Sep 2013, 19:57

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
SgtPepper wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:F1 needs more interviews where the driver can say what he likes about the team rather than being turned into a dull and boring robot

Absolutely agree, though Pasta is also right that just bitching isn't helpful either. I always turn off an interview the minute they say 'for sure'.

That;s what i was trying to say. They shouldn't be slagging the team off a la Di Resta but I just want to hear something more than the usual phrases like "for sure" and "the team" and in Nico Rosberg's case "In general"

In general? I've never noticed that one, need to look out for it. Just came across this while trying to find a good example of a dull interview that bothered me - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNrS9RHMc-I - slightly Di Resta-esque? At the end of the day F1 (to be honest virtually everything in life actually) is simply becoming too sanitised, with Webber's penalty being an extremely good case-in-point. This is why drivers like Kimi or Webber continue to be the most popular on the grid, because they actually have personalities.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 30 Sep 2013, 20:01

SgtPepper wrote:In general? I've never noticed that one, need to look out for it. Just came across this while trying to find a good example of a dull interview that bothered me - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNrS9RHMc-I - slightly Di Resta-esque? At the end of the day F1 (to be honest virtually everything in life actually) is simply becoming too sanitised, with Webber's penalty being an extremely good case-in-point. This is why drivers like Kimi or Webber continue to be the most popular on the grid, because they actually have personalities.

He said it in the Monaco press conference last year

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 01 Oct 2013, 21:23

SgtPepper wrote:In general? I've never noticed that one, need to look out for it. Just came across this while trying to find a good example of a dull interview that bothered me - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNrS9RHMc-I - slightly Di Resta-esque? At the end of the day F1 (to be honest virtually everything in life actually) is simply becoming too sanitised, with Webber's penalty being an extremely good case-in-point. This is why drivers like Kimi or Webber continue to be the most popular on the grid, because they actually have personalities.

My opinion is that all of the drivers have a personality, it's just that they are not willing to use for the sake of their own jobs being on the line or something like that.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 01 Oct 2013, 21:38

F1 needs harsh budget cut among the top teams to allow for less pay drivers and more talented drivers like Frijns and Wickens.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 01 Oct 2013, 23:39

roblomas52 wrote:F1 needs harsh budget cut among the top teams to allow for less pay drivers and more talented drivers like Frijns and Wickens.

The top teams already hire talented people. Restricting budgets to midfield levels won't change the backmarkers, as they'll still have backmarker-appropriate budgets.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 02 Oct 2013, 06:46

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:
roblomas52 wrote:F1 needs harsh budget cut among the top teams to allow for less pay drivers and more talented drivers like Frijns and Wickens.

The top teams already hire talented people. Restricting budgets to midfield levels won't change the backmarkers, as they'll still have backmarker-appropriate budgets.

But, what if the teams with less cash got more design freedoms.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 02 Oct 2013, 08:36

roblomas52 wrote:
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:The top teams already hire talented people. Restricting budgets to midfield levels won't change the backmarkers, as they'll still have backmarker-appropriate budgets.

But, what if the teams with less cash got more design freedoms.

That won't work, because the cash-strapped teams wouldn't have the money to utilise their design freedoms.

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 02 Oct 2013, 13:23

Nuppiz wrote:
roblomas52 wrote:
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:The top teams already hire talented people. Restricting budgets to midfield levels won't change the backmarkers, as they'll still have backmarker-appropriate budgets.

But, what if the teams with less cash got more design freedoms.

That won't work, because the cash-strapped teams wouldn't have the money to utilise their design freedoms.

That was the weird part about the budget cap, if it had gone through. Teams who signed up for it were allowed movable aero, more power KERS that could be used longer per lap, 4-wheel drive, etc. Seems epic on paper. I actually was originally for the cap for this very reason, and because it was optional. But the only teams who signed up were USF1, Campos (HRT), Manor (Marussia), and Lotus (Catherham) and maybe Williams? But aside from Williams, which one of those teams would actually be able to develop those technologies they were allowed to? So it seemed kinda pointless to me.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 08 Oct 2013, 22:59

Nuppiz wrote:
roblomas52 wrote:
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:The top teams already hire talented people. Restricting budgets to midfield levels won't change the backmarkers, as they'll still have backmarker-appropriate budgets.

But, what if the teams with less cash got more design freedoms.

That won't work, because the cash-strapped teams wouldn't have the money to utilise their design freedoms.

Which means the only teams who can realistically profited would have been midfielders, but even their budgets now are a little precarious, which adds to the pathetic current state F1 is in right now.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 09 Oct 2013, 07:35

Nuppiz wrote:
roblomas52 wrote:

But, what if the teams with less cash got more design freedoms.

That won't work, because the cash-strapped teams wouldn't have the money to utilise their design freedoms.[/quote]
And even if it did, the budget might not allow the teams to sustain that for long periods of time.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 09 Oct 2013, 09:47

Mark Webbers career has fizzled out quite embarrassingly and its a good thing he's quitting at the end of 2013.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 09 Oct 2013, 12:35

CoopsII wrote:Mark Webbers career has fizzled out quite embarrassingly and its a good thing he's quitting at the end of 2013.

I blame his completely biased team personally.
Edit: 1500th post

SgtPepper · Post by **SgtPepper** » 09 Oct 2013, 14:14

CoopsII wrote:Mark Webbers career has fizzled out quite embarrassingly and its a good thing he's quitting at the end of 2013.

I wouldn't really consider it 'embarrassing,' the guys been fighting an uphill battle, and since Pirelli came in in 2011 he hasn't really been able to gel with these tyres. As much as I'll miss him greatly, this era really isn't for him anymore.

It's a shame though.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 11 Oct 2013, 18:56

I really don't want Barrichello to return to F1. Ever.

And he hung up his helmet about 4 years later than he should've done really.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 12 Oct 2013, 00:07

takagi_for_the_win wrote:I really don't want Barrichello to return to F1. Ever.

And he hung up his helmet about 4 years later than he should've done really.

My username, man

He hung up the helmet too late, but I think he could be good for Sauber, as he is rumored to go next year, as Rubens gives great technical feedback, and he would a good development driver. As long as he gets some cash, I think it should be a done deal.

Or is my head clogged with sinuses again :lol:

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 13 Oct 2013, 02:29

I want Takuma Sato to return to F1.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 13 Oct 2013, 07:59

CoopsII wrote:Mark Webbers career has fizzled out quite embarrassingly and its a good thing he's quitting at the end of 2013.

Pretty much this. It's no wonder the team backs Vettel over Webber -- Vettel has more years ahead of him than Webber does, and is faster than Webber ever could have been. Why wouldn't they pick Vettel?

Post by **tommykl** » 13 Oct 2013, 08:05

Cynon wrote:
CoopsII wrote:Mark Webbers career has fizzled out quite embarrassingly and its a good thing he's quitting at the end of 2013.

Pretty much this. It's no wonder the team backs Vettel over Webber -- Vettel has more years ahead of him than Webber does, and is faster than Webber ever could have been. Why wouldn't they pick Vettel?

Because Vettel already has the title sewn up. Sure, it's not mathematically certain, but it's pretty obvious that even with Seb retiring in every race from now on, Alonso won't win the four of them. So why prefer Vettel over Webber when it's not necessary anymore? Give Mark a farewell victory. The Japanese Grand Prix was the perfect opportunity for Red Bull to finally give Mark the better strategy, simply because he was faster than Vettel throughout the whole race. So why didn't they? Because Vettel's ego.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 13 Oct 2013, 08:24

Romain Grosjean is the real deal, and if the 2014 Lotus is up to it, he will take the fight to Vettel.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 13 Oct 2013, 08:28

Salamander wrote:Romain Grosjean is the real deal, and if the 2014 Lotus is up to it, he will take the fight to Vettel.

Couldn't be less unpopular with me.

That's if Lotus can get it together and Suzuka today proved they absolutely cannot at present.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 13 Oct 2013, 08:29

Salamander wrote:Romain Grosjean is the real deal, and if the 2014 Lotus is up to it, he will take the fight to Vettel.

I actually agree because the difference in his driving from last year to this year has been like night and day.

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] · Post by **Sunshine_Baby_[IT]** » 13 Oct 2013, 09:23

roblomas52 wrote:
Salamander wrote:Romain Grosjean is the real deal, and if the 2014 Lotus is up to it, he will take the fight to Vettel.

I actually agree because the difference in his driving from last year to this year has been like night and day.

Me too I agree.
He's really fast and he's showing this year he's not doing mistakes anymore.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 13 Oct 2013, 09:25

Salamander wrote:Romain Grosjean is the real deal, and if the 2014 Lotus is up to it, he will take the fight to Vettel.

I think Grosjean and Hülkenberg are the best drivers who haven't been champions yet. Ferrari, you chose the wrong Lotus driver.

Post by **kevinbotz** » 13 Oct 2013, 09:27

Salamander wrote:Romain Grosjean is the real deal, and if the 2014 Lotus is up to it, he will take the fight to Vettel.

I completely concur. He seems to have finally discovered that performance consistency imperative for assembling title challenges, and he appears to have lost none of his prodigious speed. His present form is a stark contrast from the ignominy of 2012.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 13 Oct 2013, 09:51

kevinbotz wrote:His present form is a stark contrast from the ignominy of 2012.

And the start of this year, having driven slowly to avoid incidents. In Australia and China he was anonymous from decent grid positions and he got eliminated in Q2 in Bahrain. Then of course there was Monaco.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 13 Oct 2013, 14:52

Salamander wrote:Romain Grosjean is the real deal, and if the 2014 Lotus is up to it, he will take the fight to Vettel.

You sir, are my new favourite forum member!

Unpopulare opinion time: Massa doesn't deserve a drive for next season

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 13 Oct 2013, 14:56

takagi_for_the_win wrote:
Salamander wrote:Romain Grosjean is the real deal, and if the 2014 Lotus is up to it, he will take the fight to Vettel.

You sir, are my new favourite forum member!

Unpopulare opinion time: Massa doesn't deserve a drive for next season

Yeah Massa's time in the spotlight has come and gone he just doesn't have that raw speed anymore bar a couple of golden moments and like Alonso and Raikkonen age isn't on his side (He is 32). Be great to see him try and help Felipe Nasr get into F1 at sometime soon

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 13 Oct 2013, 15:16

tommykl wrote:So why prefer Vettel over Webber when it's not necessary anymore? Give Mark a farewell victory. The Japanese Grand Prix was the perfect opportunity for Red Bull to finally give Mark the better strategy, simply because he was faster than Vettel throughout the whole race. So why didn't they? Because Vettel's ego.

Give him a farewell victory? Wow, how patronising would that be? Also, even though he's not the force he once undoubtedly was, surely Wibbah would rather earn a last victory rather than be allowed one?

Sebastian Vettel beat everyone in Japan. Again. He didnt need smoke and mirrors to do it either. Again.

SgtPepper · Post by **SgtPepper** » 13 Oct 2013, 15:29

takagi_for_the_win wrote:Unpopulare opinion time: Massa doesn't deserve a drive for next season

I'd like to see Massa in the Sauber next year, but it would be a travesty if he got the Lotus seat instead Hulk.

CoopsII wrote:
tommykl wrote:So why prefer Vettel over Webber when it's not necessary anymore? Give Mark a farewell victory. The Japanese Grand Prix was the perfect opportunity for Red Bull to finally give Mark the better strategy, simply because he was faster than Vettel throughout the whole race. So why didn't they? Because Vettel's ego.

Give him a farewell victory? Wow, how patronising would that be? Also, even though he's not the force he once undoubtedly was, surely Wibbah would rather earn a last victory rather than be allowed one?

Sebastian Vettel beat everyone in Japan. Again. He didnt need smoke and mirrors to do it either. Again.

I think he meant be given an equal strategy, rather than be 'gifted' one.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 13 Oct 2013, 15:40

CoopsII wrote:
tommykl wrote:So why prefer Vettel over Webber when it's not necessary anymore? Give Mark a farewell victory. The Japanese Grand Prix was the perfect opportunity for Red Bull to finally give Mark the better strategy, simply because he was faster than Vettel throughout the whole race. So why didn't they? Because Vettel's ego.

Give him a farewell victory? Wow, how patronising would that be? Also, even though he's not the force he once undoubtedly was, surely Wibbah would rather earn a last victory rather than be allowed one?

Sebastian Vettel beat everyone in Japan. Again. He didnt need smoke and mirrors to do it either. Again.

Especially after pit strategy removed Grosjean from the picture.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 13 Oct 2013, 16:05

takagi_for_the_win wrote:Unpopulare opinion time: Massa doesn't deserve a drive for next season

I've been saying this since 2011.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 13 Oct 2013, 16:41

CoopsII wrote:
tommykl wrote:So why prefer Vettel over Webber when it's not necessary anymore? Give Mark a farewell victory. The Japanese Grand Prix was the perfect opportunity for Red Bull to finally give Mark the better strategy, simply because he was faster than Vettel throughout the whole race. So why didn't they? Because Vettel's ego.

Give him a farewell victory? Wow, how patronising would that be? Also, even though he's not the force he once undoubtedly was, surely Wibbah would rather earn a last victory rather than be allowed one?

Sebastian Vettel beat everyone in Japan. Again. He didnt need smoke and mirrors to do it either. Again.

The team gave Webber Malaysia but Vettel wanted to race -- and any proper racing driver would have gone for the win as well. Race wins aren't supposed to be gifted to people, they're supposed to be earned. Certain Ferrari shenanigans should say enough about that.

If anything, the team gifting Webber his last win would be the biggest kick in the balls ever, because, effectively, his very last win would mean nothing.

As for putting Webber on the better strategy... he chews up tires more than Vettel does, so putting him on a three stop strategy was the way to go. He would not have been able to handle the two-stop. If Red Bull put both on three stop strategies, we would be celebrating Grosjean's maiden Grand Prix victory.

Post by **mario** » 13 Oct 2013, 18:18

CoopsII wrote:Mark Webbers career has fizzled out quite embarrassingly and its a good thing he's quitting at the end of 2013.

To be honest, I half wonder if Webber should have retired a couple of years ago rather than now - it's been clear that he has become increasingly disheartened with the direction that the sport has been taking in the past few years, and I would not be surprised if a certain amount of his decline in form can be attributed to that sense of dejection.

Cynon wrote:
CoopsII wrote:
tommykl wrote:So why prefer Vettel over Webber when it's not necessary anymore? Give Mark a farewell victory. The Japanese Grand Prix was the perfect opportunity for Red Bull to finally give Mark the better strategy, simply because he was faster than Vettel throughout the whole race. So why didn't they? Because Vettel's ego.

Give him a farewell victory? Wow, how patronising would that be? Also, even though he's not the force he once undoubtedly was, surely Wibbah would rather earn a last victory rather than be allowed one?

Sebastian Vettel beat everyone in Japan. Again. He didnt need smoke and mirrors to do it either. Again.

The team gave Webber Malaysia but Vettel wanted to race -- and any proper racing driver would have gone for the win as well. Race wins aren't supposed to be gifted to people, they're supposed to be earned. Certain Ferrari shenanigans should say enough about that.

If anything, the team gifting Webber his last win would be the biggest kick in the balls ever, because, effectively, his very last win would mean nothing.

As for putting Webber on the better strategy... he chews up tires more than Vettel does, so putting him on a three stop strategy was the way to go. He would not have been able to handle the two-stop. If Red Bull put both on three stop strategies, we would be celebrating Grosjean's maiden Grand Prix victory.

It's a bit like Berger in 1991 when Senna gifted him victory in the Japanese GP - it looked like a kind gesture to outside observers, but IIRC Berger himself actually felt that it was somewhat demeaning and insulting (i.e. that Senna was telling him that he could only win if he allowed him to win). I think that Webber would probably have a similar sense of pride - he'd probably find it preferable to be beaten by Vettel, but having given him a hard time and having done his utmost himself to win, rather than being gifted a victory by the team as a parting reward.