Ugliest Non-Reject Car design

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 11 Jan 2010, 19:52

shinji wrote:Zombie!

W-T-F?!?!

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 11 Jan 2010, 19:54

Phoenix wrote:
shinji wrote:Zombie!

W-T-F?!?!

The thread came back from the dead...

And in a style reminiscent of zombies, here's a car pieced together from random pieces -

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 11 Jan 2010, 19:55

CarlosFerreira wrote:Really? Didn't know it was banned. I mean, I reckon the battle is to diminish unsprung weight, not to put the roof from your dog's house on top of the suspension and drive about. Thanks for the tech history tip, though.

Yup. People kept having rear-wing failures and dying...though I can't remember who it was that died.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 11 Jan 2010, 20:01

Flawed, ugly and not as effective as the M23.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 11 Jan 2010, 20:03

kostas22 wrote:
CarlosFerreira wrote:Really? Didn't know it was banned. I mean, I reckon the battle is to diminish unsprung weight, not to put the roof from your dog's house on top of the suspension and drive about. Thanks for the tech history tip, though.

Yup. People kept having rear-wing failures and dying...though I can't remember who it was that died.

I thought it was just Rindt getting injured and Hill just escaping getting injured that got them banned.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 11 Jan 2010, 20:21

shinji wrote:
kostas22 wrote:
CarlosFerreira wrote:Really? Didn't know it was banned. I mean, I reckon the battle is to diminish unsprung weight, not to put the roof from your dog's house on top of the suspension and drive about. Thanks for the tech history tip, though.

Yup. People kept having rear-wing failures and dying...though I can't remember who it was that died.

I thought it was just Rindt getting injured and Hill just escaping getting injured that got them banned.

I dunno...but this is what happened to Hill:

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 11 Jan 2010, 20:24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCYxAHuNahc

Looks nasty. What a failure of a track Montjuich was for F1.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 11 Jan 2010, 20:38

shinji wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCYxAHuNahc

Looks nasty. What a failure of a track Montjuich was for F1.

Ouch. That did look nasty. The rear wing failed, you say? A look at the passing cars shows most had such wings on.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 11 Jan 2010, 21:28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db0OuPQhJds&NR=1

History repeats itslelf 6 years on...this time with Rolf Stommelen

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 11 Jan 2010, 21:44

kostas22 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db0OuPQhJds&NR=1

History repeats itslelf 6 years on...this time with Rolf Stommelen

And with much more tragic repercussions.

madcat · Post by **madcat** » 12 Jan 2010, 11:29

This one is for Carlos, our own F1 team!

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 12 Jan 2010, 13:10

madcat wrote:

This one is for Carlos, our own F1 team!

Oh man, what's that?! Looks sleek. What was it, late 1970's, maybe early 1980? Love the short sidepods. I see the late José Megre was involved, it would have been nice.

Well, no. It would have been rejectful but nice.

madcat · Post by **madcat** » 12 Jan 2010, 13:28

Unnamed Portuguese F1 project instigated by Bravo Marinho, engineer José Megre and mechanic João Pereira. Auto Hebdo published an interview with Marinho in 1976, preluding a 1977 debut at the Spanish or Belgian GP. The article shows an arrow-shaped Cosworth kit-car, not unlike a 312T2, sporting a shovel nove and radiators well to the back of the car, in 1983 fashion. The team's roots are based in the 1974 BIP Lola 2-litre sportscar project, which wanted to move on to F1 in 1975. This never materialized when the BIP bank was nationalized, but apparently Marinho kept his plans alive into 1976

It was rejected before becoming reject material. So wrong...

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 12 Jan 2010, 15:01

Based on a 2-year old, 2 litre sportscar, nice! Can't imagine why that would fail... :roll:

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 12 Jan 2010, 18:02

Barbazza wrote:I must be the only person who loves the Tyrrell P34 then - that picture looks quite recent so is probably the car I saw in the museum at Coventry as the blurb next to it said it was still being raced.

You are NOT the only one - but then I do like wild and wacky... but not ugly, and the P34 is NOT ugly, just unusual and misunderstood. It is now racing in the FIA Grand Prix Historics championship.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 12 Jan 2010, 20:56

dr-baker wrote:
Barbazza wrote:I must be the only person who loves the Tyrrell P34 then - that picture looks quite recent so is probably the car I saw in the museum at Coventry as the blurb next to it said it was still being raced.

You are NOT the only one - but then I do like wild and wacky... but not ugly, and the P34 is NOT ugly, just unusual and misunderstood. It is now racing in the FIA Grand Prix Historics championship.

I also think it's a nice car, but ONLY with the Elf livery. The First National livery is too cheap for me.

lostpin · Post by **lostpin** » 15 Jan 2010, 01:22

And here's our beloved red beast:

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 15 Jan 2010, 02:08

lostpin wrote:And here's our beloved red beast:

(F310B)

You know the off bit? I rather liked the John Barnard-penned A version of the F310, the low nosed, weird sidepods and strange air intake shape made it for me.

lostpin · Post by **lostpin** » 15 Jan 2010, 02:37

CarlosFerreira wrote:
lostpin wrote:And here's our beloved red beast:

(F310B)

You know the off bit? I rather liked the John Barnard-penned A version of the F310, the low nosed, weird sidepods and strange air intake shape made it for me.

That low nosecone isn't that bad, but the bodywork around the head is simply creepy...

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 15 Jan 2010, 09:20

lostpin wrote:That low nosecone isn't that bad, but the bodywork around the head is simply creepy...

It's not that it is beautiful, but it's so intricate and detailed, I love it. They can't have done that profiling around the air intake thinking "yeah, that's just what we need for the airflow!"; it looks like stuff I'd draw back in that time.

MinardiFan95 · Post by **MinardiFan95** » 15 Jan 2010, 13:56

Cosworth's attempt at a four wheel drive F1 car (actually the only F1 car made by Cosworth). It suffered understeer and wheelspin so badly that after it was axed it caused the Cosworth engineers to admit that they didn't know what was going through their heads when they undertook the project.

Collieafc · Post by **Collieafc** » 15 Jan 2010, 14:34

MinardiFan95 wrote:Cosworth's attempt at a four wheel drive F1 car (actually the only F1 car made by Cosworth). It suffered understeer and wheelspin so badly that after it was axed it caused the Cosworth engineers to admit that they didn't know what was going through their heads when they undertook the project.

I remember reading about that one. Its biggest problems were cause by what it was meant to solve! (A double fail, maybe?)

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 15 Jan 2010, 15:23

4WD never mixed with F1...

dragonsteincole · Post by **dragonsteincole** » 15 Jan 2010, 16:12

I love that though. Utter tankcar if I ever saw one. And the 1996 Ferrari wasn't totally disagreeable, when the B version had that pregnant bump under the nose.

Python · Post by **Python** » 15 Jan 2010, 16:59

madcat wrote:

This one is for Carlos, our own F1 team!

That sorta looks like a 1970's Indy car. I could have seen it being driven back then.

Pieman · Post by **Pieman** » 16 Jan 2010, 00:26

I didn't know that Cosworth still existed - is it on display anywhere?

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 16 Jan 2010, 23:40

Pieman wrote:I didn't know that Cosworth still existed - is it on display anywhere?

In the Donington F1 museum maybe? (I'm not 100% sure)

MikeH · Post by **MikeH** » 18 Jan 2010, 21:26

Life w12 wrote:And the car that started the Life debacle- the First F189

That's a pretty sharp livery given how garish and hideous most "block o' colour" colourschemes on everything in the world were in the late 80s and early 90s.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 18 Jan 2010, 21:38

I quite like it.

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 19 Jan 2010, 00:14

Phoenix wrote:
I quite like it.

Shame it was a rickety death-trap.

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 19 Jan 2010, 05:43

thehemogoblin wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
I quite like it.

Shame it was a rickety death-trap.

Luckily the Life engine was so bad the car never ran fast (or long) enough to actually be dangerous.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 19 Jan 2010, 16:16

DonTirri wrote:Luckily the Life engine was so bad the car never ran fast (or long) enough to actually be dangerous.

Well, as the Life profile on this very site states the engine could (theoretically) push the car up to 220kph, which is way too slow for a F1 car, but a dangerous speed to hit the wall with that "interesting flowerpot".

madcat · Post by **madcat** » 20 Jan 2010, 09:08

Phoenix wrote:

He looks scared stiff!!!

Collieafc · Post by **Collieafc** » 20 Jan 2010, 10:39

Can you blame him?

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 21 Jan 2010, 22:41

why does that car have the number 9 on it?? were the Arrows not 9 and 10 that year? Was the First f1 car not numbered in the high 30s???

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 21 Jan 2010, 22:48

It was after Zakspeed lost the numbers 9 and ten but before Arrows switched from 17 and 18 probably.

coops · Post by **coops** » 22 Jan 2010, 07:42

That 1997 Tyrell with the X-wings. Probably great for hanging damp washing on, not so for a top line racing car.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 22 Jan 2010, 10:36

coops wrote:That 1997 Tyrell with the X-wings. Probably great for hanging damp washing on, not so for a top line racing car.

It was a bit odd, wasn't it?

madcat · Post by **madcat** » 22 Jan 2010, 11:34

Oops, how about the driver? Er, stick him next to the car.... I like the front bumper best!

coops · Post by **coops** » 22 Jan 2010, 11:46

CarlosFerreira wrote:
coops wrote:That 1997 Tyrell with the X-wings. Probably great for hanging damp washing on, not so for a top line racing car.

It was a bit odd, wasn't it?

It wasnt that spec I meant, the one I meant had that ugly tangle of carbon fibre sticking up from off the side pods.

Mika Salo had let himself go in that pic hadnt he?