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go_Rubens wrote:2) No, Lotus are not in the right to not pay him. You don't make Kimi mad, and Lotus made him mad (even if his slightly mad money demands are, well, mad). As a result, he'll just leave and not on a high note. Lotus may not have done themselves any favors. When Lotus said the thing about paying other employees first, it makes no sense, as the "other" employees have most likely not worked as hard as Kimi. Give Iceman his salary.

To be fair, if I was Paymaster General at a team with extremely shaky finances and I had to choose between paying several million in wages to a stroppy driver who's leaving regardless or paying the wages of several mechanics etc who work mad hours, see their family once in a blue moon and keep the whole operation ticking over, I'd know who'd get their wages first. And it wouldn't be the driver.
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takagi_for_the_win wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:2) No, Lotus are not in the right to not pay him. You don't make Kimi mad, and Lotus made him mad (even if his slightly mad money demands are, well, mad). As a result, he'll just leave and not on a high note. Lotus may not have done themselves any favors. When Lotus said the thing about paying other employees first, it makes no sense, as the "other" employees have most likely not worked as hard as Kimi. Give Iceman his salary.

To be fair, if I was Paymaster General at a team with extremely shaky finances and I had to choose between paying several million in wages to a stroppy driver who's leaving regardless or paying the wages of several mechanics etc who work mad hours, see their family once in a blue moon and keep the whole operation ticking over, I'd know who'd get their wages first. And it wouldn't be the driver.


This. They should pay him something - but possibly not the whole amount he's demanding. For the other team members to not be paid their wages could mean they lose their homes and things that would have a great impact on their family. That simply isn't the case with Kimi, and he's leaving anyway whereas they need to keep their team members happy.
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LellaLombardi wrote:
takagi_for_the_win wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:2) No, Lotus are not in the right to not pay him. You don't make Kimi mad, and Lotus made him mad (even if his slightly mad money demands are, well, mad). As a result, he'll just leave and not on a high note. Lotus may not have done themselves any favors. When Lotus said the thing about paying other employees first, it makes no sense, as the "other" employees have most likely not worked as hard as Kimi. Give Iceman his salary.

To be fair, if I was Paymaster General at a team with extremely shaky finances and I had to choose between paying several million in wages to a stroppy driver who's leaving regardless or paying the wages of several mechanics etc who work mad hours, see their family once in a blue moon and keep the whole operation ticking over, I'd know who'd get their wages first. And it wouldn't be the driver.


This. They should pay him something - but possibly not the whole amount he's demanding. For the other team members to not be paid their wages could mean they lose their homes and things that would have a great impact on their family. That simply isn't the case with Kimi, and he's leaving anyway whereas they need to keep their team members happy.

I guess, though, that Kimi is taking advantage of his high profile and popularity to rally the media and fans around him. We've had Bernie pitching in on his side and commenting in the press that, were he a team boss, he'd be making sure that Kimi was paid. Now, I can imagine that Bernie is keen to turn the screws on Lotus because he will know full well how popular Kimi is with a large chunk of the F1 fanbase, and therefore he will not want their hero, or his fans, to be put off by recent events.

Also, to address a question that had been raised over Grosjean's wages, Kravitz noted in his post qualifying video blog that Grosjean has not been paid by the team either, and is unlikely to be paid until after the end of the season. That said, there is an indication that, because his wages may be part paid by Total, Grosjean is perhaps more content to wait until after the season (once FOM pays the teams) than Kimi is (though Kravitz did indicate that Kimi's tactics may have pressed Lotus into a settlement).
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go_Rubens wrote: 4) Agreed. But I won't honestly be surprised if he misses out on a drive. His not having any sponsors most certainly doesn't help, nor does a start to the season that isn't the best.

I think the last 4-5 qualifyings and races has more than made up for the start of the season, though.
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go_Rubens wrote:
2) No, Lotus are not in the right to not pay him. You don't make Kimi mad, and Lotus made him mad (even if his slightly mad money demands are, well, mad). As a result, he'll just leave and not on a high note. Lotus may not have done themselves any favors. When Lotus said the thing about paying other employees first, it makes no sense, as the "other" employees have most likely not worked as hard as Kimi. Give Iceman his salary.


You mean the other employees that design, build and update the car? The employees that keep the team running and ticking over despite the fact the team's in a bit of financial bother? And you're suggesting that they've not worked as hard as a guy who turns up late to races, works 5-6 hours every other week then goes off to get drunk.

I'd have a good long think about that, and about the people who have families that they barely see because they're working late.
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What everything amounts to in the end, however, is a simple case of a breach of contract regarding an employee without any remaining interest in the condition of his employer. Raikkonen isn't necessarily in the right in this situation, but neither is Lotus, especially with their incendiary remarks to Raikkonen in India, which effectively destroyed any remaining goodwill between Raikkonen and the team. Morality is a very nebulous metric in this particular conflict.

Raikkonen no longer has any rational incentive to continue to tolerate the failures of Lotus' management. Keep him mind that he raced, this weekend, for a team that has failed to pay him for the past year, for a team that he will no longer drive for next year, and for a team that has deeply insulted his pride as a driver. From a purely objective perspective, that in itself is surprising enough.
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kevinbotz wrote:What everything amounts to in the end, however, is a simple case of a breach of contract regarding an employee without any remaining interest in the condition of his employer. Raikkonen isn't necessarily in the right in this situation, but neither is Lotus, especially with their incendiary remarks to Raikkonen in India, which effectively destroyed any remaining goodwill between Raikkonen and the team. Morality is a very nebulous metric in this particular conflict.

Raikkonen no longer has any rational incentive to continue to tolerate the failures of Lotus' management. Keep him mind that he raced, this weekend, for a team that has failed to pay him for the past year, for a team that he will no longer drive for next year, and for a team that has deeply insulted his pride as a driver. From a purely objective perspective, that in itself is surprising enough.


I don't think the fact that he deigned to show up and "race" (in inverted commas because of his rejectful performance this weekend) is anything to be impressed about. When there are many good drivers who would desperately love the opportunity (Kobayashi, Kovalainen) - I think that's rather insulting to the likes of them to behave this way. It's still a privileged position to have an F1 drive last time I checked.
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LellaLombardi wrote:
kevinbotz wrote:What everything amounts to in the end, however, is a simple case of a breach of contract regarding an employee without any remaining interest in the condition of his employer. Raikkonen isn't necessarily in the right in this situation, but neither is Lotus, especially with their incendiary remarks to Raikkonen in India, which effectively destroyed any remaining goodwill between Raikkonen and the team. Morality is a very nebulous metric in this particular conflict.

Raikkonen no longer has any rational incentive to continue to tolerate the failures of Lotus' management. Keep him mind that he raced, this weekend, for a team that has failed to pay him for the past year, for a team that he will no longer drive for next year, and for a team that has deeply insulted his pride as a driver. From a purely objective perspective, that in itself is surprising enough.


I don't think the fact that he deigned to show up and "race" (in inverted commas because of his rejectful performance this weekend) is anything to be impressed about. When there are many good drivers who would desperately love the opportunity (Kobayashi, Kovalainen) - I think that's rather insulting to the likes of them to behave this way. It's still a privileged position to have an F1 drive last time I checked.


I didn't say I was impressed, I said I was surprised. Formula One contracts are still legal contracts. As I wrote in my earlier post, drivers like Hulkenberg have an incentive to overlook breaches of their contracts by their employers, under particular circumstances, because they need the race seat they've been provided to peddle their wares, to secure their own future. It is in Hulkenberg's best interest not to raise attention over his contract situation; indeed, his decision to remain with Sauber yielded those conspicuous and impressive and absolutely imperative performances in Italy and Korea.

I ask that you try to approach Raikkonen's situation objectively. The man has no incentive to continue to race for Lotus. He signed a contract with Lotus expecting to be paid. He hasn't been paid. He's been an instrumental element in Lotus' 2012 and 2013 successes, and he knows that he's been an instrumental element in Lotus' successes. The fact that Lotus have failed to pay him is effectively tantamount to a personal insult in his perception, a perception not ameliorated by Permane's Indian radio call for him to "get the **** out of the way". Unlike Hulkenberg, Raikkonen has no need to peddle his wares. Raikkonen has no need to fight for his future. And if Raikkonen is expected to drive in a championship he no longer cares about, for a team that has cursed at him and failed to pay his wages, for a next year that he has already secured months ago, then what reason is there for him to meet those expectations?

Autosport reported earlier today that Raikkonen will race for Lotus for the remaining duration of his contract, a provisional agreement contingent on Lotus' ability to pay Raikkonen for his services. There is no blame here, no right, no wrong. Perhaps Raikkonen's reactions were less than circumspect, as were Permane's comments in India. Perhaps both parties could have resolved the conflict in a far more decorous and diplomatic fashion. But at the end of it, this story is nothing more than a pitiable anecdote from an era of the sport where great expectations remained unrealized, where the desperately needy are afflicted with impecunity, and where neither good or evil has a place. All it is in the end, is a contractual dispute between Kimi Raikkonen and the Lotus F1 Team, and as outwardly contemptible as some of the actions taken by both parties may seem, all decisions undertaken were rational and self-interested. Unreasonable perhaps, cold and even callous. But rational.
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kevinbotz wrote:
LellaLombardi wrote:
kevinbotz wrote:What everything amounts to in the end, however, is a simple case of a breach of contract regarding an employee without any remaining interest in the condition of his employer. Raikkonen isn't necessarily in the right in this situation, but neither is Lotus, especially with their incendiary remarks to Raikkonen in India, which effectively destroyed any remaining goodwill between Raikkonen and the team. Morality is a very nebulous metric in this particular conflict.

Raikkonen no longer has any rational incentive to continue to tolerate the failures of Lotus' management. Keep him mind that he raced, this weekend, for a team that has failed to pay him for the past year, for a team that he will no longer drive for next year, and for a team that has deeply insulted his pride as a driver. From a purely objective perspective, that in itself is surprising enough.


I don't think the fact that he deigned to show up and "race" (in inverted commas because of his rejectful performance this weekend) is anything to be impressed about. When there are many good drivers who would desperately love the opportunity (Kobayashi, Kovalainen) - I think that's rather insulting to the likes of them to behave this way. It's still a privileged position to have an F1 drive last time I checked.


I didn't say I was impressed, I said I was surprised. Formula One contracts are still legal contracts. As I wrote in my earlier post, drivers like Hulkenberg have an incentive to overlook breaches of their contracts by their employers, under particular circumstances, because they need the race seat they've been provided to peddle their wares, to secure their own future. It is in Hulkenberg's best interest not to raise attention over his contract situation; indeed, his decision to remain with Sauber yielded those conspicuous and impressive and absolutely imperative performances in Italy and Korea.

I ask that you try to approach Raikkonen's situation objectively. The man has no incentive to continue to race for Lotus. He signed a contract with Lotus expecting to be paid. He hasn't been paid. He's been an instrumental element in Lotus' 2012 and 2013 successes, and he knows that he's been an instrumental element in Lotus' successes. The fact that Lotus have failed to pay him is effectively tantamount to a personal insult in his perception, a perception not ameliorated by Permane's Indian radio call for him to "get the **** out of the way". Unlike Hulkenberg, Raikkonen has no need to peddle his wares. Raikkonen has no need to fight for his future. And if Raikkonen is expected to drive in a championship he no longer cares about, for a team that has cursed at him and failed to pay his wages, for a next year that he has already secured months ago, then what reason is there for him to meet those expectations?

Autosport reported earlier today that Raikkonen will race for Lotus for the remaining duration of his contract, a provisional agreement contingent on Lotus' ability to pay Raikkonen for his services. There is no blame here, no right, no wrong. Perhaps Raikkonen's reactions were less than circumspect, as were Permane's comments in India. Perhaps both parties could have resolved the conflict in a far more decorous and diplomatic fashion. But at the end of it, this story is nothing more than a pitiable anecdote from an era of the sport where great expectations remained unrealized, where the desperately needy are afflicted with impecunity, and where neither good or evil has a place. All it is in the end, is a contractual dispute between Kimi Raikkonen and the Lotus F1 Team, and as outwardly contemptible as some of the actions taken by both parties may seem, all decisions undertaken were rational and self-interested. Unreasonable perhaps, cold and even callous. But rational.


I think we will have to agree to disagree on this, but you certainly make a good argument for his case.

According to this BBC article http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24798486 (a surprisingly good one by Benson standards) I think even Kimi knows he pushed it too far this time - trying to issue the team with a winding-up order really is too much. I predict fireworks at Ferrari next year.
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As an old Ayrton Senna fan, this has bothered me for ages:

Senna won the 1991 championship ahead of Nigel Mansell by a healthy margin of 24 points, which equates to 33% more points than Mansell.

But what is the name of the official 1991 FIA season review? Answer: "Nearly Mansell!"

Did the FIA intend to insult Ayrton Senna by giving it that name? Or was it just named by someone who wanted to give "Our Nige" more credit than he was due?
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Fred Mayo wrote:As an old Ayrton Senna fan, this has bothered me for ages:

Senna won the 1991 championship ahead of Nigel Mansell by a healthy margin of 24 points, which equates to 33% more points than Mansell.

But what is the name of the official 1991 FIA season review? Answer: "Nearly Mansell!"

Did the FIA intend to insult Ayrton Senna by giving it that name? Or was it just named by someone who wanted to give "Our Nige" more credit than he was due?

I think that it would be more a case of the latter (i.e. that somebody wanted to give Mansell more credit) than the former. Added to that, I suppose it could be argued that Senna did benefit from the fact that the FW14 was rather unreliable in the opening races - Senna only had one DNF that season due to mechanical issues - an alternator failure in Canada - though he did lose some points due to running out of fuel (in the British and German GP's).

Mansell retired from 3rd place in the US GP and probably would have won the Brazilian GP given how rapidly he was catching Senna's ailing car - those two results alone would have given Mansell 14 more points. Reducing Senna's total by 4 points (assuming he finished 2nd in Brazil) and added 14 to Mansell changes the points totals to 92 versus 86 points respectively - add to that the fact that Mansell also retired from the Belgian GP due to electrical problems whilst in the fight for a podium position, and it is plausible that Mansell lost enough points through reliability problems to have cost him the title.
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I had always thought that "Nearly Mansell" had only been the title for the UK market where they had to big up Mansell's achievements.
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James1978 wrote:I had always thought that "Nearly Mansell" had only been the title for the UK market where they had to big up Mansell's achievements.


I feel Mansell is a great driver, but I don't think his achievements are just overrated in the UK, I know some people who overrate his success over here where I live as well.
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Anyone who both criticised Pirelli's tyres earlier this year, and also have complaints about how boring the US GP was, can go die in a f***ing fire for all I care. You wanted the tyres reinforced and bulletproof, this is what you get. You forced Pirelli into a corner. They have no option left but to go down the Bridgestone route. Thanks for potentially ruining the sport, asshats.
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So let me see how this works. One stop is boring, three stops is too much because the tyres quickly disintegrate and people can't follow. So ideally the way to go is two stops. For every race. Is it just me or this logic is a bit flawed? Perhaps they can manage to go two stops and a half or something...

As it is reckoned Pirelli has been in a tough spot for a while now as they are deemed responsible for which ever state F1 finds itself into. Too boring? Blame Pirelli. Too Confusing? Blame Pirelli. Too artificial? Blame Pirelli. If I was in charge of Pirelli, I would have left the sport at the end of this year. "Want Pirelli tyres? Go to a store and buy them!"
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Call me odd but I actually LIKED the fact that the tyres lasted yesterday!!
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DanielPT wrote: "Want Pirelli tyres? Go to a store and buy them!"

hahaha gret :D
If I were the head of Pirelli I'd had left long time ago.

Rather have a crazy race with 5 pitstops than a fixed number, be it 1 or 2.
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Stramala wrote:Anyone who both criticised Pirelli's tyres earlier this year, and also have complaints about how boring the US GP was, can go die in a f***ing fire for all I care. You wanted the tyres reinforced and bulletproof, this is what you get. You forced Pirelli into a corner. They have no option left but to go down the Bridgestone route. Thanks for potentially ruining the sport, asshats.

I dont think the sport's ruined, it may lose a few people who were perhaps watching for the wrong reasons though. This is all Mark Webbers fault really. If he'd been able to keep up with Vettel it could've been a vintage season but he's even admitted himself now he can't do what Vettel does. Could Hamilton or Alonso? Who cares? They aren't going to be driving a Red Bull any time soon so that whole point it moot.

Roll on next year but Ferrari and Mercedes need to pull their fingers out, stop looking elsewhere for reasons for failure, and deliver.

Oh, also, the fact that we're pinning our hopes on a change of regulations to level the playing field just shows how lame those other teams have been. The laws of physics are still the same for everyone so if your designer cant do a job as good as Adrian Newey then get another designer.

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For all those people who say that the 2014 season could be a lot closer due to the new rules, I'd argue that there is a good possibility of Red Bull being even more dominant, as Adrian Newey has produced good cars when rules have been changed considerably, such as the MP4/13 in 1998, and the RB5 in 2009, which took Red Bull from the midfield to the front.
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andrew2209 wrote:For all those people who say that the 2014 season could be a lot closer due to the new rules, I'd argue that there is a good possibility of Red Bull being even more dominant, as Adrian Newey has produced good cars when rules have been changed considerably, such as the MP4/13 in 1998, and the RB5 in 2009, which took Red Bull from the midfield to the front.

And on the flip-side, his 1994 Williams was no-where near as dominant as the cars that preceded it, and a whole series of mid-noughties McLaren's were progressively crap. Newey's not some sort of physics god, he is infallible.
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takagi_for_the_win wrote: And on the flip-side, his 1994 Williams was no-where near as dominant as the cars that preceded it, and a whole series of mid-noughties McLaren's were progressively crap. Newey's not some sort of physics god, he is infallible.

I think from context that you mean he is fallible... ;)
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takagi_for_the_win wrote:And on the flip-side, his 1994 Williams was no-where near as dominant as the cars that preceded it, and a whole series of mid-noughties McLaren's were progressively crap. Newey's not some sort of physics god, he is infallible.


The 1994 Williams still won the WCC and the team came within an ace of taking the WDC too. But yes, the McLarens of 2001-6 were a bit s**t, except for the unreliable 2005 car. It was easily the fastest over the course of the year and it's speed also partially resulted from - rule changes!
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good_Ralf wrote:The 1994 Williams still won the WCC and the team came within an ace of taking the WDC too. But yes, the McLarens of 2001-6 were a bit s**t, except for the unreliable 2005 car. It was easily the fastest over the course of the year and it's speed also partially resulted from - rule changes!


It was still far too unreliable to win either title. Though the fact that they had Montoya wasting one of the seats probably didn't help...
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dr-baker wrote:
takagi_for_the_win wrote: And on the flip-side, his 1994 Williams was no-where near as dominant as the cars that preceded it, and a whole series of mid-noughties McLaren's were progressively crap. Newey's not some sort of physics god, he is infallible.

I think from context that you mean he is fallible... ;)

:oops: My inner English student was clearly in hibernation when I posted that :P

Anyway, a proper technical explanation for Mr andrew2209 as to why Red Bull may not be as dominant. The general consensus is that part of Red Bull's dominance is due to their cars producing monstrous amounts of downforce; more than their competitors. It doesn't take a genius of mathematics to work out that, whilst running with high downforce, your car has to cut through more air due to increased drag. Thus, more fuel is consumed.

For 2014, fuel saving is rumoured to be fairly important. Ergo, if Newey continues his theme of designing "downforce monsters", as I have seen them called on Gary Anderson's blog, Red Bull will have to instruct their drivers to either drive more fuel efficiently or spend a vast amount of time fuel-saving. Of course, Newey could adopt a different design philosophy, which would wrong-foot the team, in the short-term at least.

Either way, the start of the 2014 could well see a tight battle between teams, as opposed to Red Bull's current monopoly at the front.
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Salamander wrote:It was still far too unreliable to win either title. Though the fact that they had Montoya wasting one of the seats probably didn't help...


I said it was unreliable at the beginning, but it was bloody fast. And if you think Montoya shouldn't have been in the car, who would you have chosen? Kevi... No, he would have been 13 at the time :P
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Salamander wrote:It was still far too unreliable to win either title. Though the fact that they had Montoya wasting one of the seats probably didn't help...


I said it was unreliable at the beginning, but it was bloody fast. And if you think Montoya shouldn't have been in the car, who would you have chosen? Kevi... No, he would have been 13 at the time :P


Yes, but it was still a bit shite as a result of it's horrendous reliability. And who would I have chosen instead of Montoya? Nick Heidfeld or Mark Webber would've been good choices.
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The awards thread should be repoened as the idea of calling dibs on such a thread is a bit stupid imo
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eurobrun wrote:The awards thread should be repoened as the idea of calling dibs on such a thread is a bit stupid imo


I don't really care what you think. I've added a bunch of new awards for this year, so I think I'm perfectly justified in asking everyone just to wait another couple of weeks. If that doesn't satisfy you, then the reason is because I'm adding categories for other motorsports than F1, and since V8 Supercars is quite well followed here I thought it might be best to wait until after that is finished.
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Salamander wrote:
eurobrun wrote:The awards thread should be repoened as the idea of calling dibs on such a thread is a bit stupid imo


I don't really care what you think. I've added a bunch of new awards for this year, so I think I'm perfectly justified in asking everyone just to wait another couple of weeks. If that doesn't satisfy you, then the reason is because I'm adding categories for other motorsports than F1, and since V8 Supercars is quite well followed here I thought it might be best to wait until after that is finished.


That being said, I, as the original OP of the thread, is completely unaware that Salamander is having dibs on the thread. As I already apologized to Salamander over IRC, I'll let him do the rest about this year's F1R Awards. :)
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FMecha wrote:
Salamander wrote:
eurobrun wrote:The awards thread should be repoened as the idea of calling dibs on such a thread is a bit stupid imo


I don't really care what you think. I've added a bunch of new awards for this year, so I think I'm perfectly justified in asking everyone just to wait another couple of weeks. If that doesn't satisfy you, then the reason is because I'm adding categories for other motorsports than F1, and since V8 Supercars is quite well followed here I thought it might be best to wait until after that is finished.


That being said, I, as the original OP of the thread, is completely unaware that Salamander is having dibs on the thread. As I already apologized to Salamander over IRC, I'll let him do the rest about this year's F1R Awards. :)

Well I had completely forgotten about this agreement as well as it was made over IRC :oops: . In the future, if people wish to reserve the creation of certain threads to themselves, they should write it on the forum so everyone sees it.
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Nuppiz wrote: In the future, if people wish to reserve the creation of certain threads to themselves, they should write it on the forum so everyone sees it.

I would hereby like to call dibs on creating all 20+ Race Threads for 2014.
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Jocke1 wrote:
Nuppiz wrote: In the future, if people wish to reserve the creation of certain threads to themselves, they should write it on the forum so everyone sees it.

I would hereby like to call dibs on creating all 20+ Race Threads for 2014.


Shizuka pretty much has IIDOTR locked down. I'll call dibs for the ROTR threads next year.
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Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
Jocke1 wrote:
Nuppiz wrote: In the future, if people wish to reserve the creation of certain threads to themselves, they should write it on the forum so everyone sees it.

I would hereby like to call dibs on creating all 20+ Race Threads for 2014.


Shizuka pretty much has IIDOTR locked down. I'll call dibs for the ROTR threads next year.


Stop. Now. Please.

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Ataxia wrote:
Stop. Now. Please.

Forum Facts should be a one-off; no reserving of anything.


Sorry Atax
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Indeed, I meant special once-per-year threads like Awards and stuff. NOT race discussion/ROTR/IIDOTR/race ratings...
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:lol:


Well that joke didn't stick.

Of course I wouldn't be so pompous as to call dibs on creating every single race thread.
Wasn't there anyone who realized I wasn't being serious?
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Jocke1 wrote::lol:


Well that joke didn't stick.

Of course I wouldn't be so pompous as to call dibs on creating every single race thread.
Wasn't there anyone who realized I wasn't being serious?


Despite that I think you should. You certainly give some great titles for them (Burning hot Belgium Magical Monaco Pastor will defend his win to name a few)
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There was nothing wrong with FMecha's thread, I think we should have used that. I do not agree with deserving the right to create threads.
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The heirarchy here is pretty crazy. Just sayin'.
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eurobrun wrote:There was nothing wrong with FMecha's thread, I think we should have used that. I do not agree with deserving the right to create threads.


And again, I don't care. If you can't accept my reasons then tough.
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