East Londoner wrote:Evidently Mr Sutil didn't watch F1 before 2004, when it was more than likely that half the field would be parked at the side of the track by the time the chequered flag fell. And yet, I haven't seen any criticism of unreliability during that era...
Adrian Sutil wrote:"We don't want to see races where all the cars are failing and having problems everywhere. At the end of the day Formula 1 is a show and the pinnacle of motorsport and the top range of racing - it stands out for engineering power - and if that doesn't go well and all you see is cars breaking down, then that is not the image you want to see for Formula 1."
Evidently Mr Sutil didn't watch F1 in the mid-to-late 1990s, when it was more than likely that half the field would be parked at the side of the track by the time the chequered flag fell. And yet, I haven't seen any criticism of unreliability during that era...
I'd love to see a bit of unreliability, it's been 6 years since we saw a race with proper attrition.
Australia '08 was a real cracker of a race, not only attrition, but a DSQ. Chaos ensued, plus good drivers like Räikkönen screwing up the whole race. Both Ferraris blow up engines, 9 retirements related to accidents, and lots of other good stuff. Demolition derby the safe F1 way.
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East Londoner wrote:Evidently Mr Sutil didn't watch F1 before 2004, when it was more than likely that half the field would be parked at the side of the track by the time the chequered flag fell. And yet, I haven't seen any criticism of unreliability during that era...
I've always liked to link the increase in reliability with the top 8 scoring points (finishing races became more important than before), but probably they are mostly unrelated.
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Yeah there should always be one race where you have half the field gone, cause they generally make great races, Australia 08, Australia 02 and Monaco 96. As well as proberly plenty more I cant think of.
Basetornado wrote:Yeah there should always be one race where you have half the field gone, cause they generally make great races, Australia 08, Australia 02 and Monaco 96. As well as proberly plenty more I cant think of.
Belgium 98 called...
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Basetornado wrote:Yeah there should always be one race where you have half the field gone, cause they generally make great races, Australia 08, Australia 02 and Monaco 96. As well as proberly plenty more I cant think of.
Belgium 98 called...
Brazil 2003 on line 2.....
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Me either Jolyn, maybe that's why we're both out, eh?
Our Twitter friend Taki Inoue has just shared this image.
It remains to be seen if the McLaren does turn out like that. That nose is something else entirely. Can't we just have the early 1990s low noses back, or the 2009 Brawn nose, and stick with that?
Fetzie on Ferrari wrote:How does a driver hurtling around a race track while they're sous-viding in their overalls have a better understanding of the race than a team of strategy engineers in an air-conditioned room?l
Adrian Sutil wrote:"We don't want to see races where all the cars are failing and having problems everywhere. At the end of the day Formula 1 is a show and the pinnacle of motorsport and the top range of racing - it stands out for engineering power - and if that doesn't go well and all you see is cars breaking down, then that is not the image you want to see for Formula 1."
Evidently Mr Sutil didn't watch F1 in the mid-to-late 1990s, when it was more than likely that half the field would be parked at the side of the track by the time the chequered flag fell. And yet, I haven't seen any criticism of unreliability during that era...
East Londoner wrote:Our Twitter friend Taki Inoue has just shared this image.
It remains to be seen if the McLaren does turn out like that. That nose is something else entirely. Can't we just have the early 1990s low noses back, or the 2009 Brawn nose, and stick with that?
The indication is that the FIA preferred to have something closer to the BGP001 nose section as it believes that, were the driver to strike a car in front of him, that it considerably reduces the chances of the car riding up over the rear wheel and being launched into the air. The teams, however, prefer to have higher noses for performance reasons - so, in the end, what we have is an ugly compromise between the two extremes.
Martin Brundle, on watching a replay of Grosjean spinning: "The problem with Grosjean is that he want to take a look back at the corner he's just exited"
East Londoner wrote:Our Twitter friend Taki Inoue has just shared this image.
It remains to be seen if the McLaren does turn out like that. That nose is something else entirely. Can't we just have the early 1990s low noses back, or the 2009 Brawn nose, and stick with that?
I don't think we'll see noses like the one in the image. The teams will try to get as much air under the car as possible. This design doesn't let more air under the car than the BGP001. So the "anteater"-Design will be more likely.
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That one from last year looks so much better. Although it's been a long while since F1 cars looked downright disgusting, so a change would be a good thing if we wanted to shout out REJECTFUL. There's a bright side after all!
Force India are allegedly using a "stepped chassis design". Certainly an interesting take on things...
Mitch Hedberg wrote:I want to be a race car passenger: just a guy who bugs the driver. Say man, can I turn on the radio? You should slow down. Why do we gotta keep going in circles? Man, you really like Tide...
Basetornado wrote:Yeah there should always be one race where you have half the field gone, cause they generally make great races, Australia 08, Australia 02 and Monaco 96. As well as proberly plenty more I cant think of.
Belgium 98 called...
Brazil 2003 on line 2.....
Haha how could I forget the race where ny favorite driver won his first race.
You know, even if we have the "thing-shaped" noses, low noses, and the stepped noses, like the one in the preview of a McLaren posted above, it will at least show that there are multiple ways to take on a regulation change that someone didn't see or think beforehand. It also shows that with these different solutions, cars can be recognizable now based on looks outside the livery. Plus, some of these previews remind me of the good, bad, or ugly of some of the older F1 designs, which will improve my looks on the chassis if it looks like an older car.
I'm in a position to confirm that I will be attending the Jerez tests in January 28th. As it will be the first day of the new engines and cars, it will probably be interesting, although it's likely that we won't see too much running in the morning.
This would belong in a pre-season testing thread, but as there is none open and I think it's too early to start one, I guess it will be okay here.
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I'm in a position to confirm that I will be attending the Jerez tests in January 28th. As it will be the first day of the new engines and cars, it will probably be interesting, although it's likely that we won't see too much running in the morning.
This would belong in a pre-season testing thread, but as there is none open and I think it's too early to start one, I guess it will be okay here.
Plus if the new new tyres are shite, youll be the first to know.
I'm in a position to confirm that I will be attending the Jerez tests in January 28th. As it will be the first day of the new engines and cars, it will probably be interesting, although it's likely that we won't see too much running in the morning.
This would belong in a pre-season testing thread, but as there is none open and I think it's too early to start one, I guess it will be okay here.
If its wet, then you are in for some big prangs.
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Mexicola wrote: I'd rather listen to a dog lick its balls. Each to their own, I guess.
Does listening to a dog licking its balls get you excited?
That's between me and my internet service provider.
One of those journalist types. 270 Tube stations in 18:42:50!
I'm in a position to confirm that I will be attending the Jerez tests in January 28th. As it will be the first day of the new engines and cars, it will probably be interesting, although it's likely that we won't see too much running in the morning.
This would belong in a pre-season testing thread, but as there is none open and I think it's too early to start one, I guess it will be okay here.
Plus if the new new tyres are shite, youll be the first to know.
I wouldn't necessarily say so - remember, Bridgestone suffered from terrible graining issues in 2009 when they introduced their slicks in the first test session due to abnormally cold conditions, leading to some critical remarks from the teams and drivers at the time. However, when they went to the next test session (Valencia IIRC), they showed that in fact those issues were something of a one off. By contrast, Pirelli's tyres seemed relatively robust in 2011 at the first test session, but it was the next session in warmer conditions that showed that those tyres were relatively sensitive to thermal degradation issues that had been masked in the previous test.
Enough of that though - it sounds as if you're going to be in for something of a treat on the 28th if the weather holds, and it'll be interesting to hear your thoughts on how the drivers adapt to the new cars.
Martin Brundle, on watching a replay of Grosjean spinning: "The problem with Grosjean is that he want to take a look back at the corner he's just exited"
Formula 1- Noticias: a facebook site in spanish credited for stating the already obvious (and usually well after F1rejects) cites finnish Turun Sanomat newspaper reporting Kamui Kobayashi went to Caterham HQ recently (just that, recently), having (for once) good shaped financial backing, and being strong contender for a drive with them in 2014. Kovalainen almost discarded since has no funding at all. Other runner-ups are Charles Pic, Giedo Van der Garde and Marcus Ericsson.
# Driver Team/Car 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault (#5 when not reigning champion) 3 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull-Renault 6 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 7 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 8 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 11 Sergio Perez Force India-Mercedes 13 Pastor Maldonado Lotus-Renault 14 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 17 Jules Bianchi Marussia-Ferrari 19 Felipe Massa Williams-Mercedes 20 Kevin Magnussen McLaren-Mercedes 21 Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 22 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 25 Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Renault 26 Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso-Renault 27 Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 44 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 77 Valtteri Bottas Williams-Mercedes 99 Adrian Sutil Sauber-Ferrari
Mitch Hedberg wrote:I want to be a race car passenger: just a guy who bugs the driver. Say man, can I turn on the radio? You should slow down. Why do we gotta keep going in circles? Man, you really like Tide...
Maldonado gets no.13?! Then he is the first person to run under that number since Divina Galica in 1976.
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Allard Kalff in 1994 wrote:OH!! Schumacher in the wall! Right in front of us, Michael Schumacher is in the wall! He's hit the pitwall, he c... Ah, it's Jos Verstappen.
Note that the FIA entry list has Marussia and Lotus as 'Subject to confirmation'. Also, although he has no number, Chilton is listed with Marussia, which I think qualifies as a confirmed driver.
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It seems that Hulkenberg chose #27... hmm... I think I know where his ambitions lie...
...in bed.
1998 Monaco GP wrote:Murray Walker: A lot of people here are really debating if Riccardo Rosset is Formula 1 material. Martin Brundle: Well, that's a fairly short debate, Murray.
AdrianSutil wrote:Only three driver with abnormally-high numbers. I understand the BO77AS one but can someone explain Hamilton's choice of 44 and Sutil's with 99?
44 was Hamilton's number in karting: see here. I wonder if he still has his lucky conker.
The Iceman Waiteth What if Kimi Räikkönen hadn't got his chance in 2001?
# Driver Team/Car 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault (#5 when not reigning champion) 2 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 3 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull-Renault
Sorry, couldn't avoid to fix the obvious gap #NotBadForANumberTwoDriver!
Go home, Bernie Ecclestone!
"There will be no other victory this year, I can tell you, more welcomed than this one" Bob Varsha, 1995 Canadian GP
AdrianSutil wrote:Only three driver with abnormally-high numbers. I understand the BO77AS one but can someone explain Hamilton's choice of 44 and Sutil's with 99?
44 was Hamilton's number in karting: see here. I wonder if he still has his lucky conker.
Fetzie on Ferrari wrote:How does a driver hurtling around a race track while they're sous-viding in their overalls have a better understanding of the race than a team of strategy engineers in an air-conditioned room?l
that I will be attending the Jerez tests in January 28th. As it will be the first day of the new engines and cars, it will probably be interesting, although it's likely that we won't see too much running in the morning.
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