1980 Alternate F1 - Season final at Suzuka up

[roblo97]

What if my team are in debt? How would I be able to build a chassis?

[pi314159]

What if my team are in debt? How would I be able to build a chassis?

If you can't pay your debt back until the start of the season, Wolf will go bankrupt.

[pycku]

First draft of the 1981 chassis regulations:

1981 Chassis regulations:

First of all, you need to build a basic chassis.
Tier / Grip / Top Speed / Rel / Cost
Tier 1** 100-110 / 100-110 / 60-90 (unavailable)
Tier 1* 95-105 / 95-105 / 55-85 (unavailable)
Tier 1: 90-100 / 90-100 / 50-80 / 12 000 000 $
Tier 2: 85-95 / 85-95 / 45-75 / 10 500 000 $
Tier 3: 80-90 / 80-90 / 40-70 / 9 000 000 $
Tier 4: 75-85 / 75-85 / 40-60 / 7 500 000 $
Tier 5: 70-80 / 70-80 / 35-55 / 6 000 000 $
Tier 6: 65-75 / 65-75 / 30-50 / 5 000 000 $
Tier 7: 60-70 / 60-70 / 30-45 / 4 000 000 $
Tier 8: 55-65 / 55-65 / 25-40 / 3 000 000 $
Tier 9: 50-60 / 50-60 / 20-35 / 2 000 000 $
Tier 10: 45-55 / 45-55 / 20-30 / 1 500 000 $
Tier 11: 40-50 / 40-50 / 15-25 / 1 000 000 $
Tier 12: 30-40 / 30-40 / 10-20 / 500 000 $

Then, you can focus on one or two areas of development. If you focus on just one area, you will get the range from two tiers higher in that area. If you focus on two areas, you will get the range from one tier above for those areas.

Are these prices per chassis or per team?

Also is there a possibility to start the year with last year's car (with a penalty to be 1 or 2 tiers lower)? If yes - in the first season with the new system (1981) how will chassis tier be determined?

[pi314159]

Are these prices per chassis or per team?

Also is there a possibility to start the year with last year's car (with a penalty to be 1 or 2 tiers lower)? If yes - in the first season with the new system (1981) how will chassis tier be determined?

1) per team

2) No, because the ban of ground effects means that everyone will need a new car.

[Salamander]

I like the look of this, should mean McLaren get some actual competition for once.

[CaptainGetz12]

First draft of the 1981 chassis regulations:

1981 Chassis regulations:

First of all, you need to build a basic chassis.
Tier / Grip / Top Speed / Rel / Cost
Tier 1** 100-110 / 100-110 / 60-90 (unavailable)
Tier 1* 95-105 / 95-105 / 55-85 (unavailable)
Tier 1: 90-100 / 90-100 / 50-80 / 12 000 000 $
Tier 2: 85-95 / 85-95 / 45-75 / 10 500 000 $
Tier 3: 80-90 / 80-90 / 40-70 / 9 000 000 $
Tier 4: 75-85 / 75-85 / 40-60 / 7 500 000 $
Tier 5: 70-80 / 70-80 / 35-55 / 6 000 000 $
Tier 6: 65-75 / 65-75 / 30-50 / 5 000 000 $
Tier 7: 60-70 / 60-70 / 30-45 / 4 000 000 $
Tier 8: 55-65 / 55-65 / 25-40 / 3 000 000 $
Tier 9: 50-60 / 50-60 / 20-35 / 2 000 000 $
Tier 10: 45-55 / 45-55 / 20-30 / 1 500 000 $
Tier 11: 40-50 / 40-50 / 15-25 / 1 000 000 $
Tier 12: 30-40 / 30-40 / 10-20 / 500 000 $

Then, you can focus on one or two areas of development. If you focus on just one area, you will get the range from two tiers higher in that area. If you focus on two areas, you will get the range from one tier above for those areas.

Dont you mean the chassis for the 1980 season, or is this preparation for the following year already?

[pi314159]

Dont you mean the chassis for the 1980 season, or is this preparation for the following year already?

1981, of course. Why should I announce such a significant rule change a few hours before the pre-season tests? I wanted to announce it early enough so teams can prepare for 1981.

[pi314159]

Pre-season test at Imola:
1. Didier Pironi (Ligier JS11-15) 1:33.478
2. Clay Regazzoni (Ligier JS11-15) +0.311
3. Keke Rosberg (Brabham BT49) +0.816
4. Jody Scheckter (Brabham BT49) +1.014
5. Gilles Villeneuve (Ferrari 312T5) +1.245
6. Elio de Angelis (Ferrari 312T5) +1.549
7. Chris Amon (Surtees TS21) +1.850
8. Nelson Piquet (Tyrrell 010) +1.959
9. Brian Henton (Surtees TS21) +2.223
10. Carlos Reutemann (Ensign N180) +2.554
11. Tom Sneva (Ensign N180) +2.637
12. Rene Arnoux (Boro 004) +2.767
13. Eddie Cheever (Alfa Romeo 180) +2.961
14. Nigel Mansell (Alfa Romeo 180) +0:3.001
15. Derek Warwick (Boro 004) +3.059
16. Riccardo Patrese (Osella FA1) +3.112
17. Jochen Mass (Kauhsen WK2) +3.219
18. Manfred Winkelhock (Kauhsen WK2) +3.232
19. Jan Lammers (Tyrrell 010) +3.292
20. Michele Alboreto (Osella FA1) +3.466

Pre-season test at Le Castellet
1. James Hunt (McLaren M29) 1:39.224
2. Tom Pryce (McLaren M29) +0.141
3. Jacques Laffite (Arrows A3) +0.369
4. Patrick Tambay (Shadow DN11) +0.704
5. Patrick Depailler (Arrows A3) +0.903
6. Stefan Johansson (Shadow DN11) +1.092
7. Didier Pironi (Ligier JS11-15) +1.140
8. Clay Regazzoni (Ligier JS11-15) +1.234
9. Keke Rosberg (Brabham BT49) +1.288
10. Carlos Pace (Williams FW07B) +1.414
11. Ronnie Peterson (Williams FW07B) +1.639
12. Emerson Fittipaldi (Penske PC7) +1.912
13. Jody Scheckter (Brabham BT49) +1.963
14. Mario Andretti (Penske PC7) +2.076
15. Chris Amon (Surtees TS21) +2.201
16. Alain Prost (Renault RE20) +2.433
17. John Watson (Project Four OP4-1) +2.499
18. Brian Henton (Surtees TS21) +2.740
19. Alan Jones (Renault RE20) +2.866
20. Derek Daly (Project Four OP4-1) +2.945
21. Nelson Piquet (Tyrrell 010) +0:3.000
22. Jan Lammers (Tyrrell 010) +0:3.007
23. Michele Alboreto (Osella FA1) +3.133
24. Riccardo Patrese (Osella FA1) +3.312
25. Rene Arnoux (Boro 004) +3.865
26. Jean-Pierre Jabouille (Rebaque HR101) +3.955
27. Jochen Mass (Kauhsen WK2) +4.044
28. Manfred Winkelhock (Kauhsen WK2) +4.461
29. Derek Warwick (Boro 004) +4.552
30. Thierry Boutsen (Rebaque HR101) +4.640

Pre-season test at Jarama:
1. Tom Pryce (McLaren M29) 1:12.237
2. James Hunt (McLaren M29) +0.747
3. Stefan Johansson (Shadow DN11) +0.991
4. Jacques Laffite (Arrows A3) +1.488
5. Patrick Depailler (Arrows A3) +1.567
6. Patrick Tambay (Shadow DN11) +1.660
7. Elio de Angelis (Ferrari 312T5) +2.125
8. Gilles Villeneuve (Ferrari 312T5) +2.196
9. Ronnie Peterson (Williams FW07B) +2.415
10. Carlos Reutemann (Ensign N180) +3.281
11. Derek Daly (Project Four OP4-1) +3.318
12. Niki Lauda (Lotus 81) +3.351
13. Carlos Pace (Williams FW07B) +3.664
14. Rick Mears (Lotus 81) +3.706
15. John Watson (Project Four OP4-1) +3.989
16. Tom Sneva (Ensign N180) +4.145
17. Jacky Ickx (March 801) +4.184
18. Eddie Cheever (Alfa Romeo 180) +4.312
19. Alan Jones (Renault RE20) +4.385
20. Alain Prost (Renault RE20) +4.469
21. Nigel Mansell (Alfa Romeo 180) +4.739
22. Teo Fabi (March 801) +4.976
23. Jean-Pierre Jarier (Wolf WR9) +5.478
24. Marc Surer (ATS D3) +7.320
25. Jochen Dauer (Wolf WR9) +7.841
26. Bruno Giacomelli (ATS D3) +7.861

Pre-Season test at Sebring
1. Niki Lauda (Lotus 81) 2:08.118
2. Emerson Fittipaldi (Penske PC7) +0.222
3. Mario Andretti (Penske PC7) +0.501
4. Rick Mears (Lotus 81) +0.783
5. Andrea de Cesaris (Rebaque HR101) +1.867
6. Pancho Carter (March 801) +2.032
7. Danny Ongais (March 801) +2.044
8. Hector Rebaque (Rebaque HR101) +2.774
9. Jean-Pierre Jarier (Wolf WR9) +3.600
10. Bruno Giacomelli (ATS D3) +4.098
11. Eliseo Salazar (Wolf WR9) +4.268
12. Marc Surer (ATS D3) +4.525

[Samster]

Pretty encouraging times for us, particularly Imola's. Were those with our upgrades or before?

[pi314159]

Pretty encouraging times for us, particularly Imola's. Were those with our upgrades or before?

With the upgrades.

[Samster]

Pretty encouraging times for us, particularly Imola's. Were those with our upgrades or before?

With the upgrades.

How much of it succeeded?

[pi314159]

Pretty encouraging times for us, particularly Imola's. Were those with our upgrades or before?

With the upgrades.

How much of it succeeded?

6 out of 8 parts.

[Samster]

H'mm in that case the Paul Ricard times are a little underwhelming. Hope Imola's more representive.

[pasta_maldonado]

Brabham would like to invest 1.2 million in ground effects, 800,000 in grip, and 400,000 in top speed. If that's allowed of course

[Rated]

Like mentionned in the IRC chat, I'd like to be put on the waiting list, to manage Zakspeed (if possible) when it becomes available. pi said 1984 could be a possibility, so I can wait and it's not a problem.

[Wallio]

Man all the BMW powered cars are flying. And we haven't even upgraded yet.....

[Hermann95]

Williams would like to upgrade the car:
1.2m into ground effect
800k into top speed
400k into reliability

[CaptainGetz12]

Brabham would like to invest 1.2 million in ground effects, 800,000 in grip, and 400,000 in top speed. If that's allowed of course

I thought we could only spend 600k before each race or test...

[SeedStriker]

Ensign will add 800K in top speed and another 800K for reliability

[pi314159]

I thought we could only spend 600k before each race or test...

No. That were the rules in 1976 and 1977. Now, you start the season with 2 400 000 to spend. After each race, you can spend 600 000 more, but the sum you havn't spent before carries over, so you can for example spend 1.5 million now, and another 1.5 million after the first race.

[SeedStriker]

What the hell...

800K for Ground Effects

That should make the quota for money in pre-season

[CaptainGetz12]

I thought we could only spend 600k before each race or test...

No. That were the rules in 1976 and 1977. Now, you start the season with 2 400 000 to spend. After each race, you can spend 600 000 more, but the sum you havn't spent before carries over, so you can for example spend 1.5 million now, and another 1.5 million after the first race.

Alright I sent Renault's new upgrade plan.

Also, how soon do you want the chassis plan for 1981? I would prefer to at least see out budget after the first few races before we go ahead with it....

[pi314159]

I thought we could only spend 600k before each race or test...

No. That were the rules in 1976 and 1977. Now, you start the season with 2 400 000 to spend. After each race, you can spend 600 000 more, but the sum you havn't spent before carries over, so you can for example spend 1.5 million now, and another 1.5 million after the first race.

Alright I sent Renault's new upgrade plan.

Also, how soon do you want the chassis plan for 1981? I would prefer to at least see out budget after the first few races before we go ahead with it....

First, could you please post your upgrades in the thread like everyone else does?

And second, you can wait with your 1981 plans until, well, 1981. I just posted the new chassis regulations this early so that the teams can prepare for next season.

[FantometteBR]

Tyrrell would like to spend 500k at topspeed after those tests (and how we were lame at Le Castellet)

[pycku]

Can we provide upgrade plans via e-mail?

[Samster]

Can we provide upgrade plans via e-mail?

As Pi said two posts ago, you have to post them here.

[Peteroli34]

Alfa Romeo upgrades

1.2M - Ground Effects
400K - Top Speed
400K - Grip
400K - Reliability

[CaptainGetz12]

As pi has requested, here are the upgrade plans for Renault after pre-season testing, on the thread for all to see:

750k on grip
600k on ground effects
250k on reliability
200k on top speed

[Nessafox]

For now:
700K on grip
700K on ground effects
nothing on reliability
700k on top speed

[pycku]

Them we will spend 1.2 mln on ground effect, 900k on reliability and 300k on top speed.

[pi314159]

For now:
700K on grip
700K on ground effects
nothing on reliability
700k on top speed

You already spent two million on ground effect, so you have only 400 000 left to spend in pre-season. Or do you want to spend these 2.1 million instead of the 2 million ground effect upgrade you asked about earlier?

i'm not sure if the budget is updated yet, but i suppose spending 2M on ground effect is doable?

Budgets aren't updated yet, but you can afford these upgrades. Before the upgrades, your budget is 3.2 million. I'm going to update the budgets after the Sebring tests.

[pi314159]

1980 Formula 1 Season: Preview

Marlboro Team McLaren
They are the reigning drivers' and constructors' champions. They have won seven out of eight possible titles during the last four years. There is no reason why that should change for 1980. They have the fastest car, two great drivers, and the largest funds. That's especially important in a transtional year like 1980. McLaren are one of the very few teams who can afford to focus on both 1980 and 1981. The testing times were promising, with Hunt and Pryce topping the timesheets at both Le Castellet and Jarama. They also get works support from BMW again, another advantage for the team. Everything apart from McLaren winning both titles again would be a surprise.

Ligier Gitanes
Ligier were the surprise of 1979. 1978 was good, but 1979 even better. They kept improving, and had, at one point, the fastest car in the field, resulting in pole positions, podiums, and the first two wins for the team which only joined Formula One four years ago. While Clay Regazzoni stays, the extremely talented Elio de Angelis has left the team, joining Ferrari. However, Ligier already found an excellent replacement with Didier Pironi, who will be happy to escape the rapidly sinking ship Walter Wolf Racing. Ligier's overall chances aren't looking too great despite two good drivers, since the team seems to focus on preparing for 1981. Some good resultswill be possible, especially at the start of the year, but no title challenge.

Martini Racing Team (Brabham)
Brabham was another team which made good progress in 1979, winning their first races at Kyalami and Monaco. Over the off-season, they improved on the commercial side as well. A large budget will certainly help this year. Both drivers, Jody Scheckter and Keke Rosberg, have been kept for 1980. In testing, they looked a bit off the pace, but they can be expected to catch up soon. Brabham is one of the teams who switched to a different engine supplier this year. They dropped the Renaults, and signed with Matra instead. Overall, Brabham can be expected to have a successful 1980 season. The car still needs a bit of work, but the funding is certainly there to achieve that.

Skol Arrows Racing Team
Arrows went through a difficult off-season. Their driver John Watson left them to join Ron Dennis' new Project Four team. Main sponsor Martini went to Brabham. The new title sponsor Skol can't fill the void that Martini has left. At least they managed to find a good new driver with Patrick Depailler, who leaves Tyrrell after four years. Another thing that has changed are the engines. Arrows have switched from naturally-aspirated Ford Cosworths to Renault-Alpine V6-Turbos. Despite the trouble over the off-season, Arrows' early season pace is looking great, with two successful test sessions.

Elf Williams Racing Team
Three years ago, at the end of 1976, Frank Williams' first career as a team owner was over when Walter Wolf took over his team. But only one year later, Williams was back. After a difficult first half of 1978, the team has been constantly improving, and managed to score regular podium positions. For 1980, the the team has got Elf sponsorship, and kept their successful drivers Carlos Pace and Ronnie Peterson, as well as the Matra engines they used in 1979. If the team will try to make the next step and score their first win this year, or if they're preparing for 1981 to challenge for the championship remains to be seen.

John Player BMW Shadow Racing Team
No one could have predicted Shadow's success in 1979. Without a title sponsor, the futur of the team didn't look too bright. Their drivers were Patrick Tambay and the unknown young Stefan Johansson. Surprisingly, they became a semi-works BMW team, and Tambay and Johansson proved to be very talented. But the key to their success was the introduction of a radical ground effect upgrade, which suddenly made the team competetive. That, along with a bit of luck, was enough to score an unexpected sixth place. As a consequence, John Player Special became the title sponsor for 1980, so the commercial side looks better for Shadow too. And the pre-season tests make hope for an equally good, if not better 1980. Johansson and Tambay were near the top of the time sheets.

Essex Team Lotus
Lotus never really recovered from their 1976 season. 1979 was no exception to that. Neither the signing of Niki Lauda and Rick Mears, nor the Renault turbo engines could change that. Lotus' main problem is the chassis, so the new 1981 regulations will be a chance to return to the top. Pre-season testing already showed that not too much can be expected from 1980 as well. The Lotus 81 is good for midfield results, but no more, without further upgrades. It remains to be seen if Lotus think that improving the 1980 car is worth the effort, or if they want to focus on 1981, to challenge for the championship again.

Scuderia Ferrari SpA Saudia
1979 was a fiasco for Ferrari. The team dropped to 8th in the constructors' standing. Sure, the 312T4 was never challenging for the championship, but that they ended so far down is mainly due to atrocious luck. Always when a Ferrari came near a podium, something went wrong. Either the car failed, or it ended up in a wall. As a result of his many crashes, Riccardo Patrese has been put into the Osella, and is replaced by Elio de Angelis. De Angelis and Villeneuve are a very strong driver lineup, and the Ferrari appeared to be much improved during winter testing, so 1980 should be a better year than 1979.

Interscope Penske Racing
Penske's Formula One effort seems to be in trouble. They failed to attract a major sponsor, and Roger Penske doesn't want to pay for F1 out of his own pocket. That means the team is running on a small budget right now. On the other hand, Penske took over Cosworth, which means at least free engines for the team. Mario Andretti and Emerson Fittipaldi are still excellent drivers, and the car isn't too bad. But they need good results early in the year, since they can't afford a spending war.

Denim Team Tyrrell
The decline of Tyrrell continues. Three points in a chaotic European GP at Brands Hatch were all they scored in 1979. Testing results don't imply that will change much. Patrick Depailler left the team to join Arrows, and main sponsor Elf went to Williams. New second driver is Jan Lammers, best known for writing off a Boro in a massive crash at Zandvoort in 1979. Similar to Lotus, their hope are the new chassis regulations for 1981.

Parmalat Team Ensign
After a difficult 1979 season, keeping the Parmalat sponsorship is good news for the team. The N179 was never nearly as fast as its predecessor. The new N180 looks a bit better, and keeping Reutemann and Sneva is good too. The Ferrari engines have been kept as well. The question is what the funds of the team will allow. However, points scoring positions should once again be possible for Ensign.

Équipe Renault
Renaults works effort has not had much success so far in Formula 1. During each year since its start in 1977, they scored exactly one point. It wasn't the drivers' fault, especially Alain Prost did well in 1979. But while Renault built good engines, the French manufacturer didn't invest enough into chassis development from the start of its effort. For 1980, it's not looking much better. They signed Alan Jones and promised some upgrades for the first race, but it looks like they're stuck in the midfield for now.

Beta Utensili Team Surtees
In terms of on-track performance, 1979 wasn't a bad year for Surtees. They finally managed to score a point again, and finished 13th out of 21 teams in the championship. However, the financial situation of John Surtees' team doesn't look good. They narrowly escaped bankruptcy at the end of 1979, and staying competetive in 1980, let alone 1981 will be a big challenge for the team. For the fifth year in a row, Chris Amon will drive the car. For the other one, ex-Kojima and Kauhsen driver Brian Henton has been signed. The engines will once again be supplied by Cosworth.

Copersucar Team Rebaque
Hector Rebaques team has been surprisingly competetive in 1979. For the second year, they have signed Jean-Pierre Jabouille to drive the car full-time, while team founder Rebaque shares the second car with a number of pay drivers. Despite some discussions about their contract, Cosworth stay the engine supplier for Rebaque. Pre-season testing has shown a good performance on high speed tracks, where Rebaque should be competetive again.

Autodelta (Alfa Romeo)
The Alfa Romeo works team had a difficult first year in Formula 1, failing to score any points. At least, they managed to qualify for most races, especially after Desiré Wilson was replaced with Nigel Mansell. Mansell stays at the team for 1980, while Alan Jones moves to Renault. Eddie Cheever, who made some appearances with Rebaque last year, joins the team as their second driver.

Unipart March Engineering
After the team almost folded down at the end of 1978, and they barely had time to prepare for 1979, it was a very difficult year for March, which they spent struggling to qualify, and when they did, they often spent the race at the back. 1980, they are much better prepared. They have a major sponsor, and actually a bit of car development. But it will be tough to recover from the turbulent 1978-79 off-season.

Walter Wolf Racing
Oh dear, things are not looking good for the team. Not at all. Since the end of 1977, they have been rapidly declining. They haven't started a race since Long Beach. Car development has come to an end, Pironi has left the team to Ligier, in exchange for saving the team. But Wolf's massive debts are still increasing. Almost no sponsors can be seen on the cars, which were miles off the pace during winter testing. Reportedly, the team are even struggling to pay the entry fees. Still, they managed to get a good driver with Jean-Pierre Jarier, and powerful Matra V6-Turbos, but these investments are coming far too late, and the end for the team seems near.

FINA Willi Kauhsen Racing Team
Kauhsen have made some improvements over the off-season. Manfred Winkelhock is a good addition to the team, and they managed to get a title sponsor again, which allowed them some upgrades over the off-season. The lower midfield is no longer out of reach, although they have limited financial possibilities.

Warsteiner Boro
Boro have made an even bigger step forward. For a team which spent the last four years stuck in pre-qualifying, and managed only three race starts, the testing time, especially those from Imola, are amazing. René Arnoux and Derek Warwick are valuable additions to the team as well. The only question is the ability of the pay drivers. But anyway, it can only get better for Boro, and it's an achievement that they are still around after four years.

ATS Wheels
1979 was a disaster. 16 DNPQ, a single DNQ, the slowest car in the field apart from the hopeless Merzario. The result: almost no prize money and sponsorship. As a result, the funding for the team is running out. The cars were over seven seconds off the pace at Jarama. They would need massive investments to make the team competetive. Money they don't have. So realistically, they will spend the season in pre-qualifying once again.

Lavazza Osella Squadra Corse
Osella are one of the two new teams in Formula 1. They ran a successful Formula 2 team, but 1980 will be a learning year for them. They already got support from Ferrari and sponsor Lavazzi, and signed Riccardo Patrese and Michele Alboreto. Two talented young drivers can make a difference in the tight lower midfield. Race starts should be possible for the team, but the main focus will likely be on 1981.

Olympus Project Four Racing
Ron Dennis' Project Four team is the other one. The new OP4/1 features a revolutionary carbon fibre chassis, which seems to be a success. Testing shows that they should be midfielders, which is notbad at all for a new team joining Formula 1. Their drivers John Watson and Derek Daly come with lots of Formula 1 experience as well. Their engines willbe BMW units.

[andrew]

400k on ground effects

[Nessafox]

For now:
700K on grip
700K on ground effects
nothing on reliability
700k on top speed

You already spent two million on ground effect, so you have only 400 000 left to spend in pre-season. Or do you want to spend these 2.1 million instead of the 2 million ground effect upgrade you asked about earlier?

i'm not sure if the budget is updated yet, but i suppose spending 2M on ground effect is doable?

Budgets aren't updated yet, but you can afford these upgrades. Before the upgrades, your budget is 3.2 million. I'm going to update the budgets after the Sebring tests.

Sorry, but how can i know what i'm able to spend when... nevermind, we've been trough this discussion before.
Edit: just take the most recent version. Otherwise i keep changing my mind

[Hermann95]

@Brabham:
please check your mails!

[FRG2000]

I want to toleman to entry in 1981.

[pi314159]

I want to toleman to entry in 1981.

There is a waiting list for this series, so unfortunately you have to wait until you can enter. If no team owners leave the series, you can take RAM or Spirit in 1983. Otherwise you could join earler. I added you to the waiting list.

You can find the waiting list at the bottom of the Wiki article.

[pi314159]

Grid sizes:

1. Argentine GP (Buenos Aires) - 30 starters
2. Brazilian GP (Interlagos) - 32 starters
3. United States West GP (Long Beach) - 26 starters
4. European GP (Mugello) - 28 starters
5. Belgian GP (Spa-Francorchamps) - 32 starters
6. Moncao GP (Monaco) - 24 starters
7. French GP (Circuit Paul Ricard) - 30 starters
8. British GP (Brands Hatch) - 28 starters
9. Swedish GP (Mantorp Park) - 26 starters
10. German GP (Hockenheim) - 32 starters
11. Austrian GP (Österreichring) - 30 starters
12. Swiss GP (Dijon-Prenois) - 28 starters
13. Dutch GP (Zandvoort) - 28 starters
14. Italian GP (Monza) - 30 starters
15. Canadian GP (Montreal) - 28 starters
16. United States East GP (Watkins Glen) - 28 starters
17. Japanese GP (Suzuka) - 28 starters

[pi314159]

Sorry for the triple post, but I prefer to keep these things in seperate posts.

1980 Argentine Grand Prix - Pre-Qualifying:

Anyway, the teams arrived at Buenos Aires for the first Grand Prix of the season. Due to the enormous entry list, with 21 teams (Wolf only take part in the European GPs), The four lowest-placed teams, along with the new teams Osella and Project Four, had to take part in the friday morning pre-qualifying session. Project Four showed that pre-qualifying is no hurdle for them, and took the first two places. Jochen Mass took third in the much improved Kauhsen. March had problems to get into main qualifying, especially Ongais, but in the end, both drivers made it through. Last year's Ferrar driver Riccardo Patrese managed to pre-qualify the new Osella car, while his teammate Alboreto just missed out. Boro's local pay-drivers failed to impress, with Londono-Bridge setting a decent, but not great 9th, two seconds off the pace, while four-time Chilean Formula 3 champpion Juan Carlos Silva was another second behind, just ahead of Giacomelli and Surer, struggling with the slow ATS cars.

1. John Watson (Project Four OP4-1) 1:46.777
2. Derek Daly (Project Four OP4-1) +0.226
3. Jochen Mass (Kauhsen WK2) +0.947
4. Jacky Ickx (March 801) +1.387
5. Riccardo Patrese (Osella FA1) +1.394
6. Danny Ongais (March 801) +1.810
7. Michele Alboreto (Osella FA1) +1.922
8. Manfred Winkelhock (Kauhsen WK2) +1.998
9. Ricardo Londono-Bridge (Boro 004) +2.061
10. Juan Carlos Silva (Boro 004) +2.980
11. Bruno Giacomelli (ATS D3) +4.194
12. Marc Surer (ATS D3) +4.252


1980 Argentine Grand Prix - Qualifying:

On Saturday, it was time for main qualifying. Even though the winter tests had given the teams a first impression of their pace, many had brought upgrades to Argentina, so no one really knew what to expect. The season starts with a surprise, as Arrows locked out the front row, with Patrick Depailler starting from pole. These two are followed by last years' champions McLaren, with defending drivers' champion Hunt starting in third. Ligier, already preparing for 1981, where nowhere, with Pironi and Regazzoni starting 14th and 16th. The new Project Four team got both cars into the race on their first attempt, with Daly starting 24th and Watson 26th. But the big surprise is Jochen Mass, who got the Kauhsen on the grid, their first race start since the opening round of the 1979 season. Absolutely disappointing was Rick Mears' session, he finished 32nd and fails to qualify.

1. Patrick Depailler (Arrows A3) 1:43.305
2. Jacques Laffite (Arrows A3) +0.012
3. Tom Pryce (McLaren M29) +0.231
4. James Hunt (McLaren M29) +0.583
5. Ronnie Peterson (Williams FW07B) +1.198
6. Carlos Pace (Williams FW07B) +1.215
7. Jody Scheckter (Brabham BT49) +1.290
8. Stefan Johansson (Shadow DN11) +1.867
9. Patrick Tambay (Shadow DN11) +1.878
10. Carlos Reutemann (Ensign N180) +2.021
11. Keke Rosberg (Brabham BT49) +2.021
12. Elio de Angelis (Ferrari 312T5) +2.494
13. Tom Sneva (Ensign N180) +2.501
14. Didier Pironi (Ligier JS11-15) +2.535
15. Alain Prost (Renault RE20) +2.922
16. Clay Regazzoni (Ligier JS11-15) +2.980
17. Nigel Mansell (Alfa Romeo 180) +3.464
18. Alan Jones (Renault RE20) +3.539
19. Eddie Cheever (Alfa Romeo 180) +3.656
20. Gilles Villeneuve (Ferrari 312T5) +3.671
21. Emerson Fittipaldi (Penske PC7) +3.741
22. Mario Andretti (Penske PC7) +3.756
23. Nelson Piquet (Tyrrell 010) +3.806
24. Derek Daly (Project Four OP4-1) +3.813
25. Niki Lauda (Lotus 81) +3.873
26. John Watson (Project Four OP4-1) +3.958
27. Jochen Mass (Kauhsen WK2) +0:4.007
28. Brian Henton (Surtees TS21) +4.093
29. Chris Amon (Surtees TS21) +4.111
30. Jean-Pierre Jabouille (Rebaque HR101) +4.141
31. Hector Rebaque (Rebaque HR101) +4.257
32. Rick Mears (Lotus 81) +4.324
33. Jacky Ickx (March 801) +4.346
34. Jan Lammers (Tyrrell 010) +4.538
35. Riccardo Patrese (Osella FA1) +4.576
36. Danny Ongais (March 801) +5.197

[andrew]

Did I get the upgrade I requested