F1 Rejects Track Designing Competition

More_Blue_Flags · Post by **More_Blue_Flags** » 15 Mar 2014, 08:16

Ricciardo in qualifying for Melbourne
1. pi314159
2. Benetton

Vettel in qualifying for Melbourne
1. go_Rubens
2. dr-baker

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 19 Mar 2014, 20:47

Okay, let's face it, we're not getting any more votes.

Best
dr-baker (14)
Benetton (10)
watka (6)
roblomas52 (6)
pi314159 (6)
UgncreativeUsergname (4)
More_Blue_Flags (4)

Most rejectful
go_Rubens (16)
More_Blue_Flags (14)
UgncreativeUsergname (10)
dr-baker (10)

Adrian Sutil Ribbon
Ataxia

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 20 Mar 2014, 11:00

Well I never! First time for everything, I suppose (although there are still some other 'first times' I'm still waiting for...).

I've had several ideas for what I would suggest if I were to win this, and the one that seems most appropriate for the moment would be this:

Formula E's first season begins at the end of this calendar year and into next year. All the races take place on street tracks and Beijing have already released their plans for their track. What I would like you to do is to design London's street track, bearing the following in mind:

1. Under current British law (that is currently being reviewed), using the public highway requires an Act of Parliament to be closed for racing purposes, so avoid public highways at all costs!

2. A sensible length in my opinion would be in the order of 1.5 to 3 miles long.

3. I imagine that Formula E had in mind Central London rather than Greater London, but I shall allow anywhere in Greater London (hoping that somebody might go for Richmond Park...).

4. Please also refer to this Autosport article for constraints and ideas for what is realistic.

The idea of this competition is to out-do real life track designers, so let's see if we can do better than what they will actually create for the London Formula E championship, while bound to exactly the same constraints. And I would recommend sticking to the sites that were suggested in the Autosport article: Hyde Park, the Olympic Park, Battersea Park, Wembley Stadium, but also consider Greenwich Park, Regent's Park, etc.

AxelP800 · Post by **AxelP800** » 21 Mar 2014, 03:18

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6242743

A high speed track in......London? (Around Crystal Palace)

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 22 Mar 2014, 00:29

AxelP800 wrote:http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6242743

A high speed track in......London? (Around Crystal Palace)

dr-baker wrote:
1. Under current British law (that is currently being reviewed), using the public highway requires an Act of Parliament to be closed for racing purposes, so avoid public highways at all costs!

Sorry, but highway in British English means any public road at all. You've used public roads that would need an Act of Parliament to be closed. That Act of Parliament to close those roads does not exist yet (for any public road in London) so Formula E would not be able to race there. Sorry...

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 22 Mar 2014, 01:50

Not sure about the runoff area for this, but... I left some room for pits, so that's good, right?
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6243870

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 22 Mar 2014, 03:17

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6243920

I sure hope this is okay. Probably the hardest track design briefing I've had the experience of creating a track with!

More_Blue_Flags · Post by **More_Blue_Flags** » 22 Mar 2014, 11:44

Perhaps not the most idyllic part of Greater London, but I really can't imagine getting the thumbs up for a Hyde Park or Regents Park track.

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6244124

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 22 Mar 2014, 13:47

Richmond Park at its finest.

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=6244231

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 22 Mar 2014, 16:33

All these tracks are looking fine, meeting the brief. Wonder how many of these would allow fresh tarmac to be laid? (Although that's happened at Wembley before for the Race of Champions...).

go_Rubens wrote:Probably the hardest track design briefing I've had the experience of creating a track with!

Well, for all the criticism that Tilke gets, it's probably not as easy as it looks, given real-life constraints...

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 22 Mar 2014, 16:44

dr-baker wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:Probably the hardest track design briefing I've had the experience of creating a track with!

Well, for all the criticism that Tilke gets, it's probably not as easy as it looks, given real-life constraints...

Well, I am one who when designing tracks in spare time, doesn't like destroying stuff. Parks especially. And since all these parks are small and we can't use public roads, I had a hard time trying to figure out what I wanted to do that I could apply all my efforts with a click of the mouse. Thanks for leading me to easily the best place to put a track that I found! But the Olympic park had absolutely no space whatsoever unless I read the briefing wrong.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 22 Mar 2014, 16:51

go_Rubens wrote:
dr-baker wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:Probably the hardest track design briefing I've had the experience of creating a track with!

Well, for all the criticism that Tilke gets, it's probably not as easy as it looks, given real-life constraints...

Well, I am one who when designing tracks in spare time, doesn't like destroying stuff. Parks especially. And since all these parks are small and we can't use public roads, I had a hard time trying to figure out what I wanted to do that I could apply all my efforts with a click of the mouse. Thanks for leading me to easily the best place to put a track that I found! But the Olympic park had absolutely no space whatsoever unless I read the briefing wrong.

Well, having been in person to the Olympic Park, I imagine it is hard to get 1.5 miles of track there, but I thought that having a track of much less distance than that would be a bit unrealistic. After all, even Monaco is 2 miles...

EDIT: However, this is the hardest challenge I had thought of. If I ever happen to be lucky enough to win this again, I WILL ensure that it will be easier...

watka · Post by **watka** » 22 Mar 2014, 17:38

dr-baker wrote:Well I never! First time for everything, I suppose (although there are still some other 'first times' I'm still waiting for...).

I've had several ideas for what I would suggest if I were to win this, and the one that seems most appropriate for the moment would be this:

Formula E's first season begins at the end of this calendar year and into next year. All the races take place on street tracks and Beijing have already released their plans for their track. What I would like you to do is to design London's street track, bearing the following in mind:

1. Under current British law (that is currently being reviewed), using the public highway requires an Act of Parliament to be closed for racing purposes, so avoid public highways at all costs!

2. A sensible length in my opinion would be in the order of 1.5 to 3 miles long.

3. I imagine that Formula E had in mind Central London rather than Greater London, but I shall allow anywhere in Greater London (hoping that somebody might go for Richmond Park...).

4. Please also refer to this Autosport article for constraints and ideas for what is realistic.

The idea of this competition is to out-do real life track designers, so let's see if we can do better than what they will actually create for the London Formula E championship, while bound to exactly the same constraints. And I would recommend sticking to the sites that were suggested in the Autosport article: Hyde Park, the Olympic Park, Battersea Park, Wembley Stadium, but also consider Greenwich Park, Regent's Park, etc.

This is a really interesting and challenging idea! I've managed to come up with something:

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6244492

Didn't give myself much space to work with!

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 23 Mar 2014, 09:19

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6245149

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 23 Mar 2014, 20:03

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6245805

Benetton · Post by **Benetton** » 24 Mar 2014, 07:42

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6246834

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 24 Mar 2014, 23:46

Benetton wrote:http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6246834

That isn't legal, as it violates this rule:

dr-baker wrote:
dr-baker wrote:1. Under current British law (that is currently being reviewed), using the public highway requires an Act of Parliament to be closed for racing purposes, so avoid public highways at all costs!

Sorry, but highway in British English means any public road at all. You've used public roads that would need an Act of Parliament to be closed. That Act of Parliament to close those roads does not exist yet (for any public road in London) so Formula E would not be able to race there. Sorry...

This means even the smallest of small streets have to be closed, apparently. That's quite unfortunate, as that track was decent to say the least.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 25 Mar 2014, 17:04

go_Rubens wrote:
Benetton wrote:http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6246834

That isn't legal, as it violates this rule:

dr-baker wrote:
dr-baker wrote:1. Under current British law (that is currently being reviewed), using the public highway requires an Act of Parliament to be closed for racing purposes, so avoid public highways at all costs!

Sorry, but highway in British English means any public road at all. You've used public roads that would need an Act of Parliament to be closed. That Act of Parliament to close those roads does not exist yet (for any public road in London) so Formula E would not be able to race there. Sorry...

This means even the smallest of small streets have to be closed, apparently. That's quite unfortunate, as that track was decent to say the least.

Yeah, sorry. I've made this a lot harder than I thought it would be. Would would have thought that with the number of parks and stuff available? No wonder there are plans to reverse that bit of legislation. But it hasn't happened yet, and there are still plans for a Formula E 'street' race in London...

Benetton · Post by **Benetton** » 25 Mar 2014, 19:06

Oh god dammit once again I fail to read the rules. I thought it just meant highways, as in motorways. Well, anyway, the rules are the rules and here is my new entry.

Not maybe the most glamorous location of London but the track makes up for it with its two hairpins and Suzuka style esses.

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6248043

AxelP800 · Post by **AxelP800** » 26 Mar 2014, 05:16

New one somewhere in London (I hope)

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6248533

Some esses and straights

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 26 Mar 2014, 11:33

AxelP800 wrote:New one somewhere in London (I hope)

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6248533

Some esses and straights

Close to London, within about a couple of miles/5km or so of the edge of London. The closest London borough to your track is the Royal Bourough of Kingston-upon-Thames, which Claygate, Surbiton, Chessington, Long Ditton, Thames Ditton, etc. Plus Hampton, in the London borough of Richmond.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 28 Mar 2014, 21:06

watka · Post by **watka** » 29 Mar 2014, 00:44

Formula E:
1. Benetton
2. roblomas52

Formula F:
1. peteroli34
2. More_Blue_Flags

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 29 Mar 2014, 01:55

watka wrote:Formula F

Don't tell me that F stands for Fiat...

Anyway, my votes:

HWNSNBM

1. Benetton
2. More_Blue_Flags

Max Chilton

1. peteroli34
2. roblomas52

More_Blue_Flags · Post by **More_Blue_Flags** » 29 Mar 2014, 02:36

Is Formula E the ...

... road to the future?
1. roblomas52
2. Benetton

... or a dead end?
1. peteroli34
2. watka

I actually thought all of the tracks were quite good (so consider mine ordered from best to 'least best'), and once I had got my head around the inherent contradiction of designing a street circuit when you aren't allowed to use public roads I was impressed with dr-baker's design brief.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 29 Mar 2014, 21:54

More_Blue_Flags wrote:... and once I had got my head around the inherent contradiction of designing a street circuit when you aren't allowed to use public roads I was impressed with dr-baker's design brief.

Well, thank you. I realise I made it hard for people, but this thread started with people thinking they could do better than Tilke, and I didn't ask for pit lanes, grandstands, media centres, etc.... I am looking forward to the next round though, to have another go at designing...

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 30 Mar 2014, 18:22

Good

More_Blue_Flags
pi314159

Not So

watka
roblomas52

Benetton · Post by **Benetton** » 31 Mar 2014, 21:40

Champagne

1. pi314159
2. More_Blue_Flags

Red Cat

1. watka
2. peteroli34

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 02 Apr 2014, 14:51

Tottenham F.C (great)
1. petroli34
2. go_Rubens

Arsenal F.C (less great)
1. Watka
2. UgncreativeUsergname

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 05 Apr 2014, 00:50

Best

1. Benetton (22)
2. More_Blue_Flags (14)
3. roblomas52 (10)
3= pi314159 (10)
5. go_Rubens (8)
6. peteroli34 (6)

Benetton was the clear winner from the off. So, it's his turn for the next challenge!

Worst

1. watka (28)
2. peteroli34 (26)
3. roblomas52 (8)
4. UgncreativeUsergname (4)
4= More_Blue_Flags (4)

The scores say it all. Make of this what you will. watka wins the bad design, but very hotly contested by peteroli34.

Benetton, the crown is passed to you, and the scroll with an ink quill. What shall you write on this scroll for us this time?

Benetton · Post by **Benetton** » 05 Apr 2014, 20:16

Since Marcus Ericsson will make Swedes interested in F1 again...

Length: 3.8 - 6.1 km.

Location: Sweden

The track can either be a street circuit or a permanent racing facility. Try to make it realistic (think about runoff, pit areas). Mark the start finish/line as your first point on the gmap.

Have fun!

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 05 Apr 2014, 21:19

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6260096

I would like to move the start/finish straight to the one before the 1 km mark. Otherwise I would have to redo the entire track. Pit area would be on the right side of the start/finish straight.

The circuit mostly consists of straights and fast corners, with the only slower corners being turn 2 and turn 11. Before Turns 2,5 and 11 are possible overtaking opportunities.
The turn 1/2 complex should be a good place for fans to watch the race, while the fast corners will be a lot of fun to drive and to watch on TV.

The track is located approximately 15km away from Göteborg.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 05 Apr 2014, 22:28

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6260135

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 07 Apr 2014, 11:26

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6261876

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 07 Apr 2014, 23:59

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6262780

Just outside Marcus's birthplace of Kumla.

watka · Post by **watka** » 09 Apr 2014, 00:00

You say Sweden, so naturally I'll go for somewhere with the Arctic Circle.

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6263906

Why waste a good quarry?

Pits complex would be put up in the vacant space on the left hand side of the home straight (if going clockwise). Has larger run offs for the big braking zones than some other "street" circuits. Plus, there is actually an airport nearby so its not totally cut off from the rest of the country!

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 10 Apr 2014, 15:57

Here's my attempt. Track would be anti-clockwise, with the pit-lane to the left of the main straight. Pit lane would start during the bus-stop section, continuing straight on rather than going through the final left-right sequence. It would rejoin on the outside of the the entry into the first bend/fast sweeper.

More_Blue_Flags · Post by **More_Blue_Flags** » 11 Apr 2014, 10:07

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=6266640

Using the decommissioned Swedish Air Force base at Tullinge, an outer suburb of Stockholm. Pit lane will use the old (roughly) north-south runway parallel to the start-finish straight, with entry on the left hand side of the sweeping right-hander into the start-finish straight and rejoining the start-finish straight before the hairpin.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 13 Apr 2014, 15:47

pi314159 http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6260096
UgncreativeUsergname http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6260135
peteroli34 http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6261876
go_Rubens http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6262780
watka http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6263906
dr-baker http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6265823
More_Blue_Flags http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6266640

Let the voting begin!

watka · Post by **watka** » 13 Apr 2014, 22:55

The Winner Takes It All
1. More_Blue_Flags
2. pi314159

The Loser Standing Small
1. UgncreativeUsergname
2. peteroli34