Pass the puzzle.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 24 Jan 2010, 11:40

What do you mean by succesful-drivers-to-rejects-ratio? Is more successful drivers what we're looking for, or more rejects, or a balance of the two?

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 24 Jan 2010, 11:55

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:What do you mean by succesful-drivers-to-rejects-ratio? Is more successful drivers what we're looking for, or more rejects, or a balance of the two?

Yeah, i realize i worded it poorly. what i meant was what country has the most succesfull drivers in comparison to rejects. i.e how many race winners/world champions a country has to rejects (okay, rejects isnt a good word either as there are drivers which are neither... so let me reiterate)

Which country has the biggest percentage of race winners/world champions out of drivers who have participated in f1.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 24 Jan 2010, 12:26

DonTirri wrote:Which country has the biggest percentage of race winners/world champions out of drivers who have participated in f1.

Off the top of my head it'll be a three way contest between Great Britain, Australia and Finland. I'm going with Finland but not by much

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 24 Jan 2010, 12:31

DonTirri wrote:
thehemogoblin wrote:
DonTirri wrote:Here's a few nuts for our numbers-guys to take a crack at.

1: What countries have the three best Succesfull-drivers-to-rejects-ratios and in which order?
2: What team has the best Races-entered-to-races-won ratio?
3: Which Engine manufuncturer has the best Races-entered-to-races-won Ratio?
4: Which tyre manufuncturer has the best races-entered-to-races-won ratio?

Is #2 Brawn GP?

Other than that, no clue at all.

With my own quick math yeah, with Mercedes Grand Prix being a close no.2.

Mercedes Grand Prix? 0 entries 0 victories? Divide 0 by 0 and it becomes infinity?

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 24 Jan 2010, 13:31

ADx_Wales wrote:
DonTirri wrote:
With my own quick math yeah, with Mercedes Grand Prix being a close no.2.

Mercedes Grand Prix? 0 entries 0 victories? Divide 0 by 0 and it becomes infinity?

OLD mercedes Grand Prix. The team that came, saw, conquered and left in the fifties.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 24 Jan 2010, 14:44

SuperAguri wrote:
dr-baker wrote:
SuperAguri wrote:You guys are going to take too long to make a decent F1 question. So lets post a tricky one....

How many reject F1 drivers (and name them) have won a race in a proper current (at the time) F1 car?
(Excludes all cars and drivers that only raced in the Indy 500 when it was part of the early F1 championship)

Here's one question which I believe people attempted but no definitive answer was given to. Was Desire Wilson the only answer or was there somebody else too?

Nope there are at least half a dozen! However just checking as there are lots of races that have had F1 cars (esp during the 50s and 60s) so having to make sure they are F1 cars rather then F2, F5000, F Atlantic, Tasman series, etc cars... will post the answer at the end of the month!

Looking forward to the well-researched answer!

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 24 Jan 2010, 19:22

DonTirri wrote:Here's a few nuts for our numbers-guys to take a crack at.

1: What countries have the three best Succesfull-drivers-to-rejects-ratios and in which order?
2: What team has the best Races-entered-to-races-won ratio?
3: Which Engine manufuncturer has the best Races-entered-to-races-won Ratio?
4: Which tyre manufuncturer has the best races-entered-to-races-won ratio?

1) Czech Republic
Liechtenstein
Denmark

2) Brawn GP

3) Repco?

4) Continental

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 24 Jan 2010, 19:31

kostas22 wrote:
DonTirri wrote:Here's a few nuts for our numbers-guys to take a crack at.

1: What countries have the three best Succesfull-drivers-to-rejects-ratios and in which order?
2: What team has the best Races-entered-to-races-won ratio?
3: Which Engine manufuncturer has the best Races-entered-to-races-won Ratio?
4: Which tyre manufuncturer has the best races-entered-to-races-won ratio?

1) Czech Republic
Liechtenstein
Denmark

2) Brawn GP

3) Repco?

4) Continental

2,3&4 good shout. Lichtenstein only has von Opel so that at least is a 100% reject ratio. The says best successful to reject ratio so Finland must have a shot with Mika Keke & Kimi also note the nationality of the questioner. After Finland Brazil might have shout but 2 many rejects along the way?

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 24 Jan 2010, 21:33

eagleash wrote:
kostas22 wrote:
DonTirri wrote:Here's a few nuts for our numbers-guys to take a crack at.

1: What countries have the three best Succesfull-drivers-to-rejects-ratios and in which order?
2: What team has the best Races-entered-to-races-won ratio?
3: Which Engine manufuncturer has the best Races-entered-to-races-won Ratio?
4: Which tyre manufuncturer has the best races-entered-to-races-won ratio?

1) Czech Republic
Liechtenstein
Denmark

2) Brawn GP

3) Repco?

4) Continental

2,3&4 good shout. Lichtenstein only has von Opel so that at least is a 100% reject ratio. The says best successful to reject ratio so Finland must have a shot with Mika Keke & Kimi also note the nationality of the questioner. After Finland Brazil might have shout but 2 many rejects along the way?

I see the problem here...I didn't see the word 'successful' in Quesiton 1 :lol:

It depends how 'successful' is defined? Is this just non-reject drivers, or a specific group? (e.g champions)
If its just non-rejects I think it would be:
Poland
Thailand
India

Otherwise not a clue :lol:

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 25 Jan 2010, 00:09

kostas22 wrote:
eagleash wrote:
kostas22 wrote:
1) Czech Republic
Liechtenstein
Denmark

2) Brawn GP

3) Repco?

4) Continental

2,3&4 good shout. Lichtenstein only has von Opel so that at least is a 100% reject ratio. The says best successful to reject ratio so Finland must have a shot with Mika Keke & Kimi also note the nationality of the questioner. After Finland Brazil might have shout but 2 many rejects along the way?

I see the problem here...I didn't see the word 'successful' in Quesiton 1
It depends how 'successful' is defined? Is this just non-reject drivers, or a specific group? (e.g champions)
If its just non-rejects I think it would be:
Poland
Thailand
India

Otherwise not a clue

Yes it needs re-defining as I also thought it was not clear. Think those three also a good shout if it is non-reject drivers. As the term non-reject was used in the Q a court would take the view that Kostas interpretation is correct.

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 25 Jan 2010, 15:14

DonTirri wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:What do you mean by succesful-drivers-to-rejects-ratio? Is more successful drivers what we're looking for, or more rejects, or a balance of the two?

Yeah, i realize i worded it poorly. what i meant was what country has the most succesfull drivers in comparison to rejects. i.e how many race winners/world champions a country has to rejects (okay, rejects isnt a good word either as there are drivers which are neither... so let me reiterate)

Which country has the biggest percentage of race winners/world champions out of drivers who have participated in f1.

See guys? I redefined it all right!

But for answers:
1: Finland tops the table with 3 world champions and 1 racewinner out of 8, giving a ratio of 1:2 or 50%
Second is Sweden with 3 race winners out of 9 drivers, giving a ration of 1:3 or 33.3%
Colombia ties with Sweden but loses due to having less overrall drivers with 1 winner out of 3 drivers.

2: This one depends on whether you count races as I typed or entries, as if you go by entries, its Brawn GP with a ratio of 23.4% or roughly 1:4 (8 wins out of 34 entries)
But as I said races, its easily the OLD Mercedes GP of the fifties with 9 wins out of 12 races giving a whopping 75% race win percentage and a 2:3 ratio.

3: it's TAG with a record of 25 wins out of 68 GP's, giving a ratio of 36,7% or 1:3
(Climax might also be quite up there with its 40 wins but I can't get a reliable count on their total amount of GP's so...)

4: Continental wins this easily with 10 wins out of 13 GP's giving a ratio of 76,9& or 2:3

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 25 Jan 2010, 18:02

DonTirri I know you're very patriotic, but surely the answer to question 1 is Poland, as it has 1 race winner out of 1 F1 driver ever, giving it a ratio of 1:1 or 100%

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 25 Jan 2010, 18:12

Warren Hughes wrote:DonTirri I know you're very patriotic, but surely the answer to question 1 is Poland, as it has 1 race winner out of 1 F1 driver ever, giving it a ratio of 1:1 or 100%

Oh right, CRAP. completely forgot Kubica.

I blame the fact that he was a total non-entity in the last season so it's easy to forget he actually had a win.

watka · Post by **watka** » 25 Jan 2010, 23:58

DonTirri wrote:
DonTirri wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:What do you mean by succesful-drivers-to-rejects-ratio? Is more successful drivers what we're looking for, or more rejects, or a balance of the two?

Yeah, i realize i worded it poorly. what i meant was what country has the most succesfull drivers in comparison to rejects. i.e how many race winners/world champions a country has to rejects (okay, rejects isnt a good word either as there are drivers which are neither... so let me reiterate)

Which country has the biggest percentage of race winners/world champions out of drivers who have participated in f1.

See guys? I redefined it all right!

But for answers:
1: Finland tops the table with 3 world champions and 1 racewinner out of 8, giving a ratio of 1:2 or 50%
Second is Sweden with 3 race winners out of 9 drivers, giving a ration of 1:3 or 33.3%
Colombia ties with Sweden but loses due to having less overrall drivers with 1 winner out of 3 drivers.

2: This one depends on whether you count races as I typed or entries, as if you go by entries, its Brawn GP with a ratio of 23.4% or roughly 1:4 (8 wins out of 34 entries)
But as I said races, its easily the OLD Mercedes GP of the fifties with 9 wins out of 12 races giving a whopping 75% race win percentage and a 2:3 ratio.

3: it's TAG with a record of 25 wins out of 68 GP's, giving a ratio of 36,7% or 1:3
(Climax might also be quite up there with its 40 wins but I can't get a reliable count on their total amount of GP's so...)

4: Continental wins this easily with 10 wins out of 13 GP's giving a ratio of 76,9& or 2:3

Woo, Continental to be the new suppliers when Bridgestone leave! I remember their advert during the Champions League football matches where a cannon would fire a ball at a goalie, he'd make a save, and the ball would stick to his glove because it was made out of Continental types (they've got grip, eh?).

Post by **Nuppiz** » 28 Jan 2010, 17:35

Well, since no new questions have been asked in a while, and since I never asked a question despite answering right, I'll ask you one now. Tho' it'll probably be pretty easy.

Which thing, related to their F1 careers, do Gerhard Berger and Nicola Larini have in common?

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 28 Jan 2010, 17:39

They both scored their maiden podiums at San Marino?

Post by **Nuppiz** » 28 Jan 2010, 18:03

kostas22 wrote:They both scored their maiden podiums at San Marino?

Not what I am looking for here.

The answer's got something to with their careers as a whole.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 28 Jan 2010, 19:50

Nuppiz wrote:Which thing, related to their F1 careers, do Gerhard Berger and Nicola Larini have in common?

Driving for Ferrari?

Post by **Nuppiz** » 28 Jan 2010, 19:53

Nuh-uh, that'd be too easy.

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 28 Jan 2010, 21:34

Both drove for 5 teams?

Post by **Nuppiz** » 28 Jan 2010, 21:37

They seem to have amazingly lot in common, but it still isn't what I'm looking for here. One more guess until I'll give you another tip.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 29 Jan 2010, 23:32

'Nother tip: it's got something to do with the first few years of their careers as well as the last year of their career.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 04 Feb 2010, 17:03

Another clue: it's got something to do with the engines in the cars they raced in. And no, I don't mean that they both raced Ferrari-engined cars.

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 04 Feb 2010, 19:22

Nuppiz wrote:Another clue: it's got something to do with the engines in the cars they raced in. And no, I don't mean that they both raced Ferrari-engined cars.

Both engines were rebadged customer engines made by manufacturers that also made engines under their own name?
Edit: oh, no, that can't be it, because in 1997 the Renault engine in the Benetton were still called Renault. Unless you screwed up, and thinking Berger retired after 1998 when they were Playlife.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 04 Feb 2010, 19:35

Waris wrote:
Nuppiz wrote:Another clue: it's got something to do with the engines in the cars they raced in. And no, I don't mean that they both raced Ferrari-engined cars.

Both engines were rebadged customer engines made by manufacturers that also made engines under their own name?
Edit: oh, no, that can't be it, because in 1997 the Renault engine in the Benetton were still called Renault. Unless you screwed up, and thinking Berger retired after 1998 when they were Playlife.

No, I didn't screw up. The question is still open.

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 06 Feb 2010, 13:15

In the first 3 yrs of their careers Berger drove BMW t/c4 engined cars for 3 different teams, & Larini drove Cosworth V8/Alfa t/cV8/Cosworth V8 for 2 different teams. In the last year they both drove Ferrari V12s for Ferrari. So unless all the engines were made by someone called Fred or something equally obscure it is completely escaping me.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 06 Feb 2010, 22:58

eagleash wrote:In the first 3 yrs of their careers Berger drove BMW t/c4 engined cars for 3 different teams, & Larini drove Cosworth V8/Alfa t/cV8/Cosworth V8 for 2 different teams. In the last year they both drove Ferrari V12s for Ferrari. So unless all the engines were made by someone called Fred or something equally obscure it is completely escaping me.

Even that is wrong :lol:

Last engine for Larini was a Cosworth V10 at Sauber and for Berger, a Renault V10 at Benetton!

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 06 Feb 2010, 23:24

Their Last podum visits involved Ferrari Engines!!!

Gerhard Berger: 2008 Toro Rosso team boss , Monza, Sebastien Vettel driving the car to victory, Berger taking the team trophy

Nicola Larini: 1994, subbing for Jean Alesi, in the most tragic race of all time. Third place.

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 06 Feb 2010, 23:38

kostas22 wrote:
eagleash wrote:In the first 3 yrs of their careers Berger drove BMW t/c4 engined cars for 3 different teams, & Larini drove Cosworth V8/Alfa t/cV8/Cosworth V8 for 2 different teams. In the last year they both drove Ferrari V12s for Ferrari. So unless all the engines were made by someone called Fred or something equally obscure it is completely escaping me.

Even that is wrong
Last engine for Larini was a Cosworth V10 at Sauber and for Berger, a Renault V10 at Benetton!

Bugger it I was looking in a book from 1996 completely forgetting 1) Larini came back in 1997 for a couple of races & 2) To turn over the fricking page for Berger..... :lol:

Thats what a break up does for your concentration

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 07 Feb 2010, 00:05

ADx_Wales wrote:Their Last podum visits involved Ferrari Engines!!!

Gerhard Berger: 2008 Toro Rosso team boss , Monza, Sebastien Vettel driving the car to victory, Berger taking the team trophy

Nicola Larini: 1994, subbing for Jean Alesi, in the most tragic race of all time. Third place.

But it also involves 'the first few years of their careers'...clearly a piece of the puzzle is still missing.
And it also specifically said the last year of their careers...and Larini didn't finish on the podium in '97!

One more similarity - there was a one race gap between their debut and second grand prix appearances!
But this is a tricky one for sure...

Post by **Nuppiz** » 07 Feb 2010, 18:21

Haha, and I thought it was an easy one! Good guesses here so far, but none have been right!

Eagleash was quite close already!

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 07 Feb 2010, 19:37

Nuppiz wrote:Haha, and I thought it was an easy one! Good guesses here so far, but none have been right! Eagleash was quite close already!

The engines were built by someone named Freddy?

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 07 Feb 2010, 19:56

kostas22 wrote:
Nuppiz wrote:Haha, and I thought it was an easy one! Good guesses here so far, but none have been right! Eagleash was quite close already!

The engines were built by someone named Freddy?

Can only surmise that the same designer/builder had a hand in all the engines. But I can't really be arsed to look it up. The only name that comes to mind is Brian Hart but I'm pretty certain it wasn't him. (Was it?)

No, probably not I don't remember an Alfa connection?

Post by **Nuppiz** » 07 Feb 2010, 20:19

Nope, still no cigar. Next tip is just one word: turbochargers.

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 07 Feb 2010, 20:41

Nuppiz wrote:Nope, still no cigar. Next tip is just one word: turbochargers.

Their fathers are both turbochargers!

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 07 Feb 2010, 20:56

Come on man...put us out of our misery.
The only year they both used turbos was 1988...and I see nothing in common between the two that year.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 07 Feb 2010, 21:08

Fair enough. If I'm not sorely mistaken, they were the last drivers to retire from racing who had driven turbocharged F1 cars.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 07 Feb 2010, 21:15

Nuppiz wrote:Fair enough. If I'm not sorely mistaken, they were the last drivers to retire from racing who had driven turbocharged F1 cars.

That was it?
Si merde facile...!!! :oops:

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 08 Feb 2010, 00:08

kostas22 wrote:
Nuppiz wrote:Fair enough. If I'm not sorely mistaken, they were the last drivers to retire from racing who had driven turbocharged F1 cars.

That was it?
Si merde facile...!!!

Er yeah right. OK then.

Tealy · Post by **Tealy** » 08 Feb 2010, 14:17

Ok then, I am apologising ahead of time for inevitably getting this one wrong myself but it's a question I was asked today so after finding out I am now asking you lot.

When was the last time Formula 1 went an entire season without a wet race?