A1 Grand Prix 1952 - English A1GP Qualifying Results Up

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 19 May 2014, 19:56

I will take control of England.

Peter Collins will be main driver, I will look at clashes later.

edit: Ken Wharton seems free for Monza.

Shadaza · Post by **Shadaza** » 19 May 2014, 21:14

Having checked the 50 and 51 seasons again, I have decided that Robert Manzon should be replaced by Trintignant in every round apart from round 2.

So Tritignant will drive the majority of rounds, but Manzon, Behra and Simon will each drive one race each to try and prove their worth.

At the Spanish end of things, Paco Godia will drive for all rounds.

Normal32 · Post by **Normal32** » 19 May 2014, 21:27

Jose Froilan Gonzalez will be our driver.

BTW Fangio was wound and i couldn't select him

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 19 May 2014, 21:52

Normal32 wrote:Jose Froilan Gonzalez will be our driver.

BTW Fangio was wound and i couldn't select him

Fangio doesn't injure himself till June so you could still use him for the first four races if you want.

HawkAussie · Post by **HawkAussie** » 19 May 2014, 22:46

Jack Tutton will be driving for New Zealand in all of the races.

I will take control of New Zealand

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 19 May 2014, 23:20

So with all teams under control we are just waiting on the USA, Portugal, Northern Ireland and Chile to nominate a driver for Brazil.

Normal32 · Post by **Normal32** » 20 May 2014, 00:19

Samster wrote:
Normal32 wrote:Jose Froilan Gonzalez will be our driver.

BTW Fangio was wound and i couldn't select him

Fangio doesn't injure himself till June so you could still use him for the first four races if you want.

I will use him then :mrgreen:

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 20 May 2014, 03:57

Samster wrote:So with all teams under control we are just waiting on the USA, Portugal, Northern Ireland and Chile to nominate a driver for Brazil.

Landi will be there

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 20 May 2014, 08:24

As I continue to be woefully disorganised, I've just realised that DCR had Northern Ireland as well. Therefore, Desmond Titterington will get the drive again for now as I don't have any better ideas as to who can be put in the car

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 20 May 2014, 10:36

Chile's driver from 1951, Raúl Jaras, will return, and Australia will add Jack Brabham to their roster. Is there any other Chilean drivers who I can add as backup

Post by **Nuppiz** » 20 May 2014, 21:22

After finding some good sources for1950s South American racing drivers, here's a few things to consider:

Samster wrote:
RedEyes504 wrote:Venezuela will enter Ettore Chimeri

I can't find any evidence of him racing before 1955 but then none of the drivers that Venezuela had used before have much experience and Chimeri is at least of plausible age to race in 1952.

How about Ramón López or Attilio Cagnasso?

RonDenisDeletraz wrote:Chile's driver from 1951, Raúl Jaras, will return, and Australia will add Jack Brabham to their roster. Is there any other Chilean drivers who I can add as backup

How about Bartolomé Ortiz, who attended the 1950 Chilean Grand Prix? Based on a Google Translation he was one of the more celebrated Chilean drivers in the early 1950s.

Excluding 1954 Carrera Panamericana entrants, there's also Lorenzo Varoli to consider.

P.S. Having done more research, I'm switching the Colombian reserve driver from Garzon to Juán Riú. Colombia will end their co-operation with Venezuela and are joining forces with Guatemala instead, under the name Alianza Latinoamericana.

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 12 Jun 2014, 11:07

Since the USA and Portugal never nominated any drivers while I was away, I have chosen for them.

I'll run the pre-season test at Rouen-Les-Essarts later today, all drivers that have so far been nominated for their countries will take part.

W12 · Post by **W12** » 12 Jun 2014, 11:19

Samster wrote:Since the USA and Portugal never nominated any drivers while I was away, I have chosen for them.

I'll run the pre-season test at Rouen-Les-Essarts later today, all drivers that have so far been nominated for their countries will take part.

Umm, I did choose my driver... (Tony Bettenhausen)

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 12 Jun 2014, 14:16

W12 wrote:
Samster wrote:Since the USA and Portugal never nominated any drivers while I was away, I have chosen for them.

I'll run the pre-season test at Rouen-Les-Essarts later today, all drivers that have so far been nominated for their countries will take part.
Umm, I did choose my driver... (Tony Bettenhausen)

So you did, completely missed your post. :oops:

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 20 Jun 2014, 20:21

1952 Pre-Season Test, Rouen-Les-Essarts

1. ARG Juan Manuel Fangio 2:20.415
2. ITA Alberto Ascari +0.144
3. FRA Maurice Trintignant +0.476
4. ENG Peter Collins +0.549
5. ARG José Froilán González +0.597
6. WDE Hans Stuck +0.689
7. SCT David Murray +0.725
8. FRA Robert Manzon +0.828
9. ITA Luigi Villoresi +0.881
10. FRA André Simon +0.925
11. SUI Toulo de Graffenried +0.944
12. AUS Jack Brabham +1.067
13. IRL Joe Kelly +1.145
14. BRA Chico Landi +1.190
15. THA B. Bira +1.275
16. MNC Louis Chiron +1.343
17. SWE Erik Lundgren +1.472
18. FRA Jean Behra +1.602
19. ESP Paco Godia +1.633
20. ENG Ken Wharton +1.677
21. DMR Porfirio Rubirosa +1.741
22. USA Tony Bettenhausen +1.827
23. URU Eitel Cantoni +1.994
24. BRA Gino Bianco +2.018
25. CAN Hal Robson +2.145
26. AUS Tony Gaze +2.176
27. EDE Ernst Klodwig +2.303
28. NIR Desmond Tittertington +2.358
29. NZL Jack Tutton +2.516
30. BEL Johnny Claes +2.638
31. DNM Robert Nelleman +2.747
32. NHL Dries van der Lof +2.915
33. WAL Charles Headland +2.956
34. RSA Arthur Mackenzie +3.073
35. GUA Jaroslav Juhan +3.122
36. BEL André Pilette +3.136
37. URU Alberto Uria +3.177
38. FIN Asser Wallenius +3.211
39. BEL Charles de Tornaco +3.370
40. POR Fernando Mascarenhas +3.482
41. FIN Curt Lincoln +3.604
42. CZE Zdenek Pohl +3.660
43. GUA Manfredo Lippman +3.745
44. RSA Ernest Geering +3.912
45. POL Jan Ripper +4.022
46. CHI Raúl Jaras +4.177
47. VEN Ettore Chimeri +4.306
48. POL Tadek Marek +4.518
49. CZE Václav Hovorka +4.691
50. GUA Guillermo Girón +4.812
51. MEX Corona Illescas +5.057
52. COL Arcesio Paz +5.217
53. PER Luis Asteñgo Albizuri +5.488
54. COL Juán Riú +5.912

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 20 Jun 2014, 21:40

FIN
Surprised that Wallenius was faster than Lincoln. But obviously he knows the car better.

ENG
That increases my hopes for the season. Target is top 3 and if we finish outside of top 5 it is big disappointment.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 20 Jun 2014, 22:08

Oh man, Colombia is going to have their backsides handed to them in this. At least Jaroslav Juhan is semi-decent in the Guatemalan team.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 20 Jun 2014, 22:18

One would expect Ascari to be right at the top of the timesheets, but crikey, David Murray has really come on leaps and bounds since his A1GP debut! Comfortably in the Top 10, mixing it with multiple F1 race winners! Looks like Scotland has a lot to look forward to this year!

HawkAussie · Post by **HawkAussie** » 22 Jun 2014, 23:00

Its going to be a long season for both South Africa and New Zealand

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 29 Jun 2014, 17:11

Brazilian A1 Grand Prix Qualifying Results

Italy take the first blood of 1952 as Ascari smashes Fangio's 1951 pole time by two tenths. Fangio can only manage third for Argentina behind France's Trintignant while its Canada's Hal Robson who manages to pull out the surprise lap of the session by taking 4th, Canada's best ever starting position.

1. ITA Alberto Ascari 1:17.460
2. FRA Maurice Trintignant +0.296
3. ARG Juan Manuel Fangio +0.335
4. CAN Hal Robson +0.378
5. THA B. Bira +0.483
6. USA Tony Bettenhausen +0.525
7. ENG Peter Collins +0.758
8. WDE Hans Stuck +0.891
9. SUI Toulo de Graffenried +1.052
10. AUS Tony Gaze +1.076
11. DMR Porfirio Rubirosa +1.282
12. BRA Chico Landi +1.285
13. GUA Jaroslav Juhan +1.312
14. SCO David Murray +1.367
15. EDE Ernst Klodwig +1.405
16. FIN Asser Wallenius +1.440
17. MON Louis Chiron +1.473
18. CZE Zdenek Pohl +1.788
19. BEL Johnny Claes +1.792
20. WAL Charles Headland +1.832
21. ESP Paco Godia +1.898
22. URU Eitel Cantoni +2.023
23. DEN Robert Nelleman +2.141
24. NHL Dries van der Lof +2.261
25. IRE Joe Kelly +2.326
26. RSA Arthur Mackenzie +2.410
27. SWE Erik Lundgren +2.455
28. COL Arcesio Paz +2.467
29. VNZ Ettore Chimeri +3.070
30. NIR Desmond Titterington +3.127
31. POR Fernando Mascarenhas +3.177
32. NZL Jack Tutton +3.448
33. CHI Raul Jaras +4.648
34. POL Tadek Marek +5.420
35. MEX Corona Illescas +6.064
36. PER Luis Astengo Albizuri +9.447

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 29 Jun 2014, 17:29

You all have the opportunity to decide your teams race strategies, you have until the end of Monday.

Race Distance - 104 Laps

Refuelling is banned from the series so everyone starts with a full tank to last the race.
Hard tyres last for approximately 55 laps.
Soft tyres last for approximately 35 laps.
Pit stops take around 40 to 50 seconds in total.
Due to the abrasive nature of the track, a fully worn tire will loose around 3 seconds per lap compared to a fresh tire. Soft tires start out around 1 second per lap quicker than a hard tire.

W12 · Post by **W12** » 29 Jun 2014, 19:06

Samster wrote:You all have the opportunity to decide your teams race strategies, you have until the end of Monday.

Race Distance - 104 Laps

Refuelling is banned from the series so everyone starts with a full tank to last the race.
Hard tyres last for approximately 55 laps.
Soft tyres last for approximately 35 laps.
Pit stops take around 40 to 50 seconds in total.
Due to the abrasive nature of the track, a fully worn tire will loose around 3 seconds per lap compared to a fresh tire. Soft tires start out around 1 second per lap quicker than a hard tire.

Bettenhausen will only use soft tires. His pit stops will be at laps 35 and 70.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 29 Jun 2014, 19:21

Ascari starts on the soft tyre. He pits on Lap 30 for hard tyres. He then pits on Lap 81 for softs again.
David Murray starts on the hard tyre. He runs until lap 52. He pits for another set of hards, and runs to the end.

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 29 Jun 2014, 19:29

Peru will start of the softs and not stop, Mexico will start on the hards and not stop (let's see how far behind I can get them)
Sui will start on softs and do 32 laps, do 50 laps of hards and turn back to the softs

Normal32 · Post by **Normal32** » 29 Jun 2014, 19:42

Two stopper with hard tyres(pit 55)

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 29 Jun 2014, 20:08

Brazil will stop twice, starting with soft tyres, replacing with another set of softs and finishing with hard ones

Shadaza · Post by **Shadaza** » 29 Jun 2014, 20:45

Hmm, a big leap in understanding tires here.

So Spain will experiment, 40 laps on the soft than the rest of the way on the Hards.

France will play it safer and start on the softs, pit on lap 28, swap to the hards, go to lap 71 and then finish the race on the softs.

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 29 Jun 2014, 20:47

England: 29 laps on softs, 48 (77) on hards and 27 on softs.
Finland: 47 laps on hards, 31 (78) on softs and 26 on softs.

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 29 Jun 2014, 20:59

I've hired my strategists for peru and Mexico from willaims in 2014...

Post by **tommykl** » 29 Jun 2014, 21:35

Very little time to figure out a decent strategy...

All three drivers will do two stints on soft tyres and one stint on the hard tyres. Claes does his first two on softs and the third on hards, pitting on laps 27 and 54. Lundgren starts with the hard tyres and ends with two stints on softs, pitting on laps 50 and 77. Rubirosa will do his stint on hard tyres in the middle of the race, pitting on laps 28 and 76.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 29 Jun 2014, 21:47

Some German dude's notes wrote:Strategie der Deutschen Demokratischen Republik:

104 Runden - 2 Stops

Start: "Hard Tyre"

Runde 45 - "Hard Tyre"
Runde 90 - "Soft Tyre"

I hope that my attempt at adding a bit of local flavour won't confuse you - in theory, my intentions should be understandable.

HawkAussie · Post by **HawkAussie** » 29 Jun 2014, 22:40

New Zealand:
Start: Softs
Lap 37: Hards
Lap 82: Softs

South Africa
Start: Hard
Lap 50: Hard

Post by **Nuppiz** » 29 Jun 2014, 23:14

Jaroslav Juhan will run the first 26 laps on softs, then switch to hards before switching to softs again on lap 78.

Arcesio Paz will use hard tyres throughout the race, making his only scheduled pitstop on lap 53.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 30 Jun 2014, 00:02

Holland will use softs and pit in lap 22,44,66 and 88. It's a risky strategy, but interesting to see where we will end up compared to our next rivals.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 30 Jun 2014, 01:40

Douglas-Cliff Racing will put their cars on the following strategies:

West Germany:
Start: Softs
Lap 25 - Stop for Hards
Lap 74 - Stop for Softs

Ireland:
Start: Hards
Lap 50 - Stop for Softs
Lap 75 - Stop for Softs

Northern Ireland
Start: Softs
Lap 26 - Stop for Softs
Lap 52 - Stop for Softs
Lap 78 - Stop for Softs

AustralianStig · Post by **AustralianStig** » 30 Jun 2014, 02:35

Canada following their brilliance in qualifying are going for the safe strategy of using only hard tyres. We will split the race, i.e. stopping on lap 52 just once for a new set of hards.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 01 Jul 2014, 14:46

Monaco will stop on lap 53, hard tyres both stints. Denmark and Wales will both do three stints of softs, stopping on laps 34 and 69.

Pointrox · Post by **Pointrox** » 13 Jul 2014, 14:07

Team Poland will start on hard tyres and pit in once for a fresh set of those.
Team Czechoslovakia will start on soft tyres and pit in on lap 30 for a set of hard tyres then on lap 85 for a set of softs.

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 13 Jul 2014, 20:55

Pointrox wrote:Team Poland will start on hard tyres and pit in once for a fresh set of those.
Team Czechoslovakia will start on soft tyres and pit in on lap 30 for a set of hard tyres then on lap 85 for a set of softs.

You are a bit late, I'm currently half way through simulating this race on excel.

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 24 Jul 2014, 17:42

Finally completed this race, I figured out a way to simulate the races quicker yesterday and I managed to get the final half of this race done in one evening, so that should mean I can turn out future races much quicker from now on.

1952 Brazilian A1 Grand Prix Results
1. ITA Alberto Ascari - 104 - 2:21:42.591
2. ENG Peter Collins - 104 - +53.321
3. BRD Hans Stuck - 104 - +59.988
4. BRA Chico Landi - 104 - +1:14.512
5. NED Dries van der Lof - 103 - +1 Lap
6. USA Tony Bettenhausen - 103 - +1 Lap
7. BEL Johnny Claes - 103 - +1 Lap
8. NIR Desmond Titterington - 103 - +1 Lap
9. IRE Joe Kelly - 102 - +2 Laps
10. MON Louis Chiron - 102 - +2 Laps
11. DDR Ernst Klodwig - 102 - +2 Laps
12. NZL Jack Tutton - 102 - +2 Laps
13. FIN Asser Wallenius - 102 - +2 Laps
14. CAN Hal Robson - 102 - +2 Laps
15. VEN Ettore Chimeri - 101 - +3 Laps
16. CZE Zdenek Pohl - 101 - +3 Laps
17. COL Arcesio Paz - 99 - +5 Laps
18. AUS Tony Gaze - 97 - Gearbox
19. SCO David Murray - 94 - Accident
Ret URU Eitel Cantoni - 83 - Accident
Ret RSA Arthur Mackenzie - 73 - Accident
Ret DMR Porfirio Rubirosa - 70 - Suspension
Ret DEN Robert Nelleman - 52 - Engine
Ret CHI Raul Jaras - 52 - Accident
Ret SWE Erik Lundgren - 41 - Accident
Ret WAL Charles Headland - 37 - Gearbox
Ret SUI Toulo de Graffenried - 36 - Accident
Ret ARG Juan Manuel Fangio - 34 - Engine
Ret PER Luis Astengo Albizuri - 34 - Puncture/Accident
Ret POL Tadek Marek - 30 - Accident
Ret POR Fernando Mascarenhas - 21 - Clutch
Ret THA B. Bira - 9 - Accident
Ret GUA Jaroslav Juhan - 6 - Brakes
Ret FRA Maurice Trintignant - 4 - Engine
Ret MEX Corona Illescas - 4 - Accident
Ret ESP Paco Godia - 3 - Gearbox

Fastest Lap - ITA Alberto Ascari - 1:17.595 - Lap 88

Leaders
1-30 ITA Alberto Ascari
31-34 ARG Juan Manuel Fangio
35-80 ITA Alberto Ascari
81-82 BRA Chico Landi
83-104 ITA Alberto Ascari