A1 Grand Prix 1952 - English A1GP Qualifying Results Up

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 24 Jul 2014, 19:49

So the radical strategy sort of paid of, it seems.

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 24 Jul 2014, 21:20

Mini Reviews for each driver.

1. ITA Alberto Ascari
A dominant weekend, Ascari won from pole, led all but six laps and took fastest lap by a fair margin, the only blip being a slow final pitstop which briefly dropped Ascari behind Chico Landi. This would be no worry for Ascari as he quickly gobbled up the Brazilian within a couple of laps with his fresh softs. It has to be said however, that his race was made easier by Fangio's mid-race retirement. 10/10

2. ENG Peter Collins
A gradual rise up the field eventually settling into a race long battle for second with Hans Stuck and Chico Landi, the former on the same strategy. Collins eventually pipped Hans Stuck on the final lap by virtue of making his final stop later than the German meaning he would gradually real him in over his final stint. 9/10

3. BRD Hans Stuck
Spent most of the race in 2nd behind Ascari after the retirement of France's Maurice Trintignant. Stuck was eventually outdone by Collins on the same strategy, the Englishman's later pitstops allowing him better pace at crucial moments. 8/10

4. BRA Chico Landi
A brilliant home race, Landi ran an alternate version of the standard mixed 2 stopper by running both of his soft stints first, allowing him to rise into the top five early on. At one point the Brazilian looked like a genuine threat for the podium, even briefly leading on merit once the leaders had cycled through their final stops but his strategy meant that Landi was stuck on worn hards which made him a sitting duck for the other leaders who were all on fresh softs. and by the end of the race Landi was back down to 4th. 9/10

5. NED Dries van der Lof
The Dutchman ran a risky strategy with five stints on softs, this meant he lost minimal time on worn tires in exchange for spending more time in the pits than anyone else. However of the drivers that ran exclusively on softs, he ended up the highest finisher, passing Titterington, Claes and Bettenhausen in his final stint, the latter having done three stints on softs. On a side note, Van der Lof was the only driver other than Ascari to set a sub 1:18 lap in the race. 9/10

6. USA Tony Bettenhausen
An impressive debut for the American who spent the bulk of the race comfortably inside the top ten. He also spent the race as the leader of the drivers exclusively on softs until the final laps when Van der Lof finally overhauled him, taking advantage of his fresher tires. 8/10

7. BEL Johnny Claes
Running the same strategy as Landi, Claes managed to rise up into the top ten early from deep in the midfield but like Landi, lost positions in the closing stages on worn hards. Still this was easily Belgium's best finish since 1950. 7/10

8. NIR Desmond Titterington
Another variant of the all soft strategy with the Ulsterman running four stints. In the end he wasn't too far from Bettenhausen or Van der Lof proving that all three varients were roughly equal. 7/10

9. IRE Joe Kelly
Gained more positions than any other driver running the opposite strategy to Landi and Claes by running the hard stint first, Kelly managed to finish ahead of Wallenius, the only other finisher on the same strategy despite starting much further behind. His soft stints were almost as short as Van der Lof's which allowed him to be one of the quickest drivers in the latter stages but he had lost too much time earlier with his long hard stint to contend with the other drivers that were on the mixed two stopper. 6/10

10. MON Louis Chiron
Somewhat of a disapointing race for the oldest driver in the field. Chiron ran an exclusively hard strategy meaning only one stop in exchange for never being particularly quick at any point. Although both he and David Murray got into the top five early on after those who had started on softs made their first stops, both spent the rest of the day gradually dropping down the order as the hard tires proved to be not that much more durable than the softs, negating most of their advantage. 5/10

11. DDR Ernst Klodwig
An odd strategy from East Germany that was never really going to work, essentially a standard hard strategy with a short soft stint tacked on at the end. Klodwig just barely gained back the time he lost from the extra stop but not enough to overhaul Chiron for 10th to make the strategy worth it. 6/10

12. NZL Jack Tutton
After a poor qualifying session, the All Blacks then made the mistake of running the softs to within an inch of their lives in the first stint by spending 37 laps on them when 35 was the recommended maximum, the consequence being that Tutton lost a bunch of time on worn tires and spent most of the day languashing towards the back. Its somewhat of a miracle that he ended the day as high as 12th. 4/10

13. FIN Asser Wallenius
Not a particularly fast race from the Finn yet attrition allowed him to score Finland's first points since 1950. 5/10

14. CAN Hal Martin
The most disapointed team of the day. Martin wasted his strong qualifying position with a poor starting dropping him into the midfield and his race was compounded further when his all hard stratgey proved to be more of a hinderance than a help. 4/10

15. VEN Ettore Chimeri
Not alot was expected from the inexpericed Chimeri yet attrition allowed him to score on debut after a steady race, culminating in him mugging Zdenek Pohl for the final point on the last lap. 6/10

16. CZE Zdenek Pohl
Another to suffer from an all hard strategy as Pohl spent the race near the back. 3/10

17. COL Arcesio Paz
Final finisher and 5 laps down in the end but Paz did well to survive when more experienced drivers failed. 5/10

18. AUS Tony Gaze
Huge disapointment for the Aussies as Gaze looked certain to secure 5th on the same strategy as Landi only for his gearbox to fail. Still a very strong performance however. 8/10

19. SCO David Murray
Another of the all hard runners, Murray had been fending off Joe Kelly for 9th when he put it in the wall in the closing stages 6/10

Ret DMR Porfiro Rubirosa
A suspension failure ended another impressive performance from Rubirosa who had been running 5th at the time not far behind Stuck and Collins on the same strategy 8/10

Ret SUI Toulo de Graffenried
Another front runner on the standard mixed two stopper, de Graffenried likely would have been a factor in the battle for 2nd had he not crashed out. 6/10

Ret ARG Juan Manuel Fangio
The only driver running hard tires that managed to remain in the top five during the first stint, Fangio inherited the lead after the soft runners made their first stops and may well have been Ascari's main threat to the win if his engine hadn't let him down. Then again given how the all hard strategy let many others down, he may have struggled to hold onto 2nd. 9/10

Ret PER Luis Astengo Albizuri
Ran the suicidal strategy of trying to run the entire race on softs, he only managed 34 laps before an inevitable puncture put him in the wall. As glacially slow as usual too. 1/10

Ret FRA Maurice Trintignant
Likely would have finished 2nd but his engine changed its mind about working after just four laps. 9/10

Ret MEX Corona Illescas
As hopeless as ever, managed four slow laps before chucking it in the wall 1/10

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 25 Jul 2014, 14:31

You have until Monday to decide on your driver for the next Grand Prix at Sebring if you haven't already.

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 25 Jul 2014, 15:55

Landi will race at Sebring for Brazil

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 25 Jul 2014, 15:58

Collins will continue for England and Wallenius for Finland.

Normal32 · Post by **Normal32** » 25 Jul 2014, 19:38

Fangio returns.

W12 · Post by **W12** » 25 Jul 2014, 20:10

Bettenhausen will continue for the rest of the season, as he hasn't got any USAC races clashing with the A1GP events.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 25 Jul 2014, 21:38

Van der <3 will keep kicking ass the whole season.

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 28 Jul 2014, 20:38

Fangio makes it three from three in taking pole at Sebring, Ascari joins him on the front row. Rubirosa continues his good Sebring record by making the top five.

United States A1 Grand Prix Qualifying
1. ARG Juan Manuel Fangio - 1:59.514
2. ITA Alberto Ascari - +0.219
3. ENG Peter Collins - +0.609
4. BRD Hans Stuck - +0.739
5. DMR Porfirio Rubirosa - +0.982
6. SCO David Murray - +1.068
7. SUI Toulo de Graffenried - +1.178
8. MON Louis Chiron - +1.250
9. BRA Chico Landi - +1.336
10. FRA Robert Manzon - +1.343
11. USA Tony Bettenhausen - +1.404
12. URU Eitel Cantoni - +1.444
13. CAN Hal Robson - +1.516
14. THA B. Bira - +1.565
15. SWE Erik Lundgren - +1.619
16. DEN Robert Nelleman - +1.698
17. IRL Joe Kelly - +1.750
18. DDR Ernst Klodwig - +1.771
19. AUS Tony Gaze - +1.848
20. NIR Desmond Titterington - +2.185
21. CZE Vaclav Hovorka - +2.519
22. NED Dries van der Lof - +2.605
23. FIN Asser Wallenius - +2.853
24. WAL Charles Headland - +2.911
25. BEL Johnny Claes - +2.963
26. ESP Paco Godia - +3.011
27. NZL Jack Tutton - +3.022
28. VEN Ettore Chimeri - +3.530
29. GUA Jaroslav Juhan - +3.817
30. POR Fernando Mascarenhas - +3.908
31. RSA Ernest Geering - +3.941
32. CHI Raul Jaras - +4.378
33. POL Jan Ripper - +5.887
34. COL Juan Riu - +6.386
35. MEX Corona Illescas - +6.608
36. PER Luis Astengo Albizuri +7.726

Strategies

Sebring is expected to be easier on tires than Salvador though still not as easy as the smoother European tracks. The total race distance is 50 laps.

Hard tires are expected to last approximately 45 laps.
Soft tires are expected to last approximately 30 laps.

A fully worn tire is expected to be around 3 seconds a lap slower.
Total pitstop time is expected to be around 45 seconds.

You have until Thursday to set your strategies.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 28 Jul 2014, 21:28

Holland will start with hard, and put on softs on lap 32

W12 · Post by **W12** » 28 Jul 2014, 22:16

USA will, again, only use softs, pitting on lap 33

RedEyes504 · Post by **RedEyes504** » 28 Jul 2014, 22:33

Venezuela will only use softs, pitting on lap 26

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 28 Jul 2014, 23:00

Brazil will adhere nto use only soft tyres, pitting once at lap 31

AustralianStig · Post by **AustralianStig** » 29 Jul 2014, 00:01

Following a poor first race Canada are going for an aggressive strategy, starting on soft tyres and pitting just once on lap 21 for softs.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 29 Jul 2014, 00:22

Douglas-Cliff Racing will put their cars on the following strategies:

West Germany
Start: Softs
Lap 24: Softs

Ireland
Start: Hards
Lap 35: Softs

Northern Ireland
Start: Hards
No stop

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 29 Jul 2014, 06:24

England starts on softs, pits on lap 23 and puts another set of softs.

Finland won't make a pit stop, trying to race through on hards.

Post by **tommykl** » 29 Jul 2014, 06:35

The Dominican Republic will start on hards and pit for softs on lap 31.
Sweden will start on softs and pit for more softs on lap 27.
Belgium will attempt the whole race on a single set of hards.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 29 Jul 2014, 13:29

Both Colombia and Guatemala will share the strategy of driving 25 laps on softs, then pitting once for a similar set.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 29 Jul 2014, 13:58

Italia
Start: SOFT
1st Stop: Lap 19 - HARD

Scotland
START: SOFT
1st Stop: Lap 17 - SOFT
1st Stop: Lap 36 - SOFT

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 29 Jul 2014, 15:04

Some German dude's notes wrote:Strategie der Deutschen Demokratischen Republik:

50 Runden - 0 Stops

Start: "Hard Tyre"

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 29 Jul 2014, 16:23

Klon wrote:
Some German dude's notes wrote:Strategie der Deutschen Demokratischen Republik:

50 Runden - 0 Stops

Start: "Hard Tyre"

Because pit stops are way too mainstream.

Shadaza · Post by **Shadaza** » 30 Jul 2014, 10:17

France: Hard Tires, 0 stops.

Spain: Soft Tires, Pit lap 18 for new softs.

Going a bit aggressive as neither car qualified well.

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 30 Jul 2014, 13:03

So just need strategies from the following.

Argentina
Switzerland
Monaco
Thailand
Denmark
Australia
Czechoslovakia
Wales
New Zealand
Portugal
South Africa
Chile
Poland
Mexico
Peru

HawkAussie · Post by **HawkAussie** » 30 Jul 2014, 22:35

New Zealand will start on softs and pit on lap 25 for softs.

South Africa will start on hard and pit on lap 40 for softs.

Normal32 · Post by **Normal32** » 30 Jul 2014, 23:27

Argentina will race the whole race without stopping and with hard tyres

tristan1117 · Post by **tristan1117** » 02 Aug 2014, 05:53

Since Portugal is at the back, we will try to go the whole race on one set of hard tyres.

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 29 Aug 2014, 20:33

I'll be running the American A1 Grand Prix in a few minutes. Commentary will be provided over on the Mibbit channel.
http://client00.chat.mibbit.com/?server ... 3F1Rejects

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 30 Aug 2014, 15:56

Alberto Ascari takes his second win of the season as he and Peter Collins make use of their fresher tires to hunt down and catch Fangio, the Argentinian having attempted the whole race on one set of hards. In fact this race could be seen as a warning to anyone trying to save time with no pitstop time as of the 19 teams that attempted this strategy, only four remained in the points by the end of the race. Though one driver with perhaps an even less successful strategy was David Murray who attempted three short stints on the softs, though van der Lof used a similar strategy in Brazil to much success, Murray's restricted him to ninth when he could have fought for a top five. He didn't even get fastest lap out of it as he was pipped by Porfirio Rubirosa by 0.023 seconds.

1952 US A1 Grand Prix Results
1. ITA Alberto Ascari - 50 - 1:43:33.895
2. ENG Peter Collins - 50 +12.949
3. ARG Juan Manuel Fangio - 50 +14.696
4. DMR Porfirio Rubirosa - 50 +23.333
5. BRD Hans Stuck - 50 +25.737
6. BRA Chico Landi - 50 +39.555
7. USA Tony Bettenhausen - 50 +56.742
8. SUI Toulo de Graffenried - 50 +64.924
9. SCO David Murray - 50 +67.255
10. ESP Paco Godia - 50 +80.991
11. CAN Hal Robson - 50 +84.396
12. SWE Erik Lundgren - 50 +87.008
13. AUS Tony Gaze - 50 +98.093
14. NZL Jack Tutton - 50 +115.633
15. URU Eitel Cantoni - 50 +116.317
16. DDR Ernst Klodwig - 50 +123.738
17. NED Dries van der Lof - 49 +1 Lap
18. GUA Jaroslav Juhan - 49 +1 Lap
19. NIR Desmond Titterington - 49 +1 Lap
20. WAL Charles Headland - 49 +1 Lap
21. POR Fernando Mascarenhas - 49 +1 Lap
22. CZE Vaclav Hovorka - 49 +1 Lap
23. VEN Ettore Chimeri - 49 +1 Lap
24. RSA Ernst Geering - 49 +1 Lap
25. CHI Raul Jaras - 49 +1 Lap
26. MEX Corona Illescas - 49 +1 Lap
27. POL Jan Ripper - 48 +2 Laps
28. PER Luis Astengo Albizuri - 48 +2 Laps
Ret IRE Joe Kelly - 42 - Accident
Ret DEN Robert Nelleman - 42 - Clutch
Ret THA B. Bira - 33 - Collision
Ret MON Louis Chiron - 33 - Collision
Ret COL Juan Riu - 24 - Gearbox
Ret FRA Robert Manzon - 18 - Engine
Ret BEL Johnny Claes - 12 - Engine
Ret FIN Asser Wallenius - 12 - Transmission

Fastest Lap
DMR Porfirio Rubirosa 2:00.930 Lap 44

Lap Leaders
1-19 ITA Alberto Ascari
20 ENG Peter Collins
21-46 ARG Juan Manuel Fangio
47-50 ITA Alberto Ascari

You have until Wednesday to decide on your driver for the East German A1 Grand Prix.

Normal32 · Post by **Normal32** » 30 Aug 2014, 22:27

we will keep Fangio.

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 30 Aug 2014, 23:39

If there is no conflict, Landi will be in

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 31 Aug 2014, 05:55

Curt Lincoln will be in for Finland.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 31 Aug 2014, 09:19

No changes in the Alianza Latinoamericana teams.

W12 · Post by **W12** » 31 Aug 2014, 09:55

Bettenhausen will continue racing for USA.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 31 Aug 2014, 11:54

Australia will put Jack Brabham in the car for the English GP, Gaze will return after that. Chile will add Bartolomé Ortiz, but he isn't scheduled in for races yet

Post by **tommykl** » 31 Aug 2014, 12:50

Belgium, Sweden and the Dominican Republic will keep the same lineup.

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 02 Sep 2014, 12:53

UncreativeUsername
Are you keeping Headland on for Wales or switching to someone else.

Pointrox
Which of your drivers are you using for Czechoslovakia and Poland?

Pointrox · Post by **Pointrox** » 03 Sep 2014, 14:03

Zdenek Pohl for Czechoslovakia and Jan Ripper for Poland.

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 03 Sep 2014, 23:16

1952 East German A1 Grand Prix

We begin the European leg of the season with A1GP's first ever visit behind the Iron Curtain.

Track
http://www.milermeter.com/?r=539913

Ascari and Fangio sweep the front row again but this time the experienced hands of Chiron and Stuck are right behind having all qualified within 0.05 seconds! Joe Kelly performed brilliantly to make the top five and home hero Ernest Klodwig gets East Germany up to 7th! Maurice Trintignant however probably should have been in the battle for pole but suffered from a dirty track from having to set his lap first as France are currently last in points. He starts down in 12th.

Qualifying Results
1. ITA Alberto Ascari 1:39.981
2. ARG Juan Manuel Fangio +0.037
3. MON Louis Chiron +0.044
4. BRD Hans Stuck +0.047
5. IRE Joe Kelly +0.521
6. SCO David Murray +0.579
7. DDR Ernst Klodwig +0.623
8. SUI Toulo de Graffenried +0.653
9. ENG Peter Collins +0.887
10. ESP Paco Godia +0.915
11. SWE Erik Lundgren +0.959
12. FRA Maurice Trintignant +0.971
13. DMR Porfirio Rubirosa +1.019
14. CAN Hal Robson +1.024
15. BRA Chico Landi +1.074
16. GUA Jaroslav Juhan +1.214
17. USA Tony Bettenhausen +1.330
18. FIN Curt Lincoln +1.364
19. NIR Desmond Titterington +1.406
20. CZE Zdenek Pohl +1.448
21. AUS Tony Gaze +1.449
22. DEN Robert Nelleman +1.579
23. NED Dries van der Lof +1.670
24. URU Eitel Cantoni +1.733
25. BEL Johnny Claes +1.757
26. THA B. Bira +1.818
27. WAL Charles Headland +1.882
28. NZL Jack Tutton +2.045
29. CHI Raul Jaras +2.287
30. RSA Arthur Mackenzie +2.616
31. POR Fernando Mascarenhas +2.874
32. POL Jan Ripper +3.409
33. VEN Ettore Chimeri +4.193
34. MEX Corona Illescas +5.016
35. COL Juan Riu +5.126
36. PER Luis Astengo Albizuri +7.822

Strategies

The race will be 67 laps. We are still not yet at the smoothest tracks so again none of the tires are expected to last the distance.
Hards will last approximately 50 laps.
Softs will last approximately 30 laps, they will start off around a second faster than the hards pace.
Fully worn tires again should be around three seconds off the pace of a fresh tire.
Pit stops will take in total 40-50 seconds.

You have until Saturday to set strategies.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 03 Sep 2014, 23:19

Both Alianza Latinoamericana teams will use a strategy of 45 laps on hards, then changing to softs.

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 03 Sep 2014, 23:50

Brazil will start on hards and replace them around lap 47 being replaced by softs