Japanese Grand Prix ROTR Thread.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 05 Oct 2014, 05:56

I would like to submit an early nomination for Perez and his spin on his installation lap.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 05 Oct 2014, 06:00

roblomas52 wrote:I would like to submit an early nomination for Perez and his spin on his installation lap.

Didn't see it, but if there is a typhoon going on, it shouldn't be that much of a surprise. I'm currently nominating race control for starting the race behind the SC (I'm being a die-hard here). In conditions similar in Suzuka to the 1994 race they start behind the SC, when 20 years ago they had a standing start. The F1 cars of today are tricky to drive but this is ridiculous as usual.

apple2009 · Post by **apple2009** » 05 Oct 2014, 06:03

I nominate Mother Nature.

rachel1990 · Post by **rachel1990** » 05 Oct 2014, 06:06

I just heard that the track owners Honda could have started the race earlier to avoid this but refused. If this is called off I nominate THEM for the ROTR!!!

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 05 Oct 2014, 06:08

Honda win ROTR. This is entirely their fault. Morons.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 05 Oct 2014, 06:09

I don't think you can look past Honda for the fact that this could have been prevented.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 05 Oct 2014, 06:09

Ericsson for spinning under the safety car. Likely to be the one humorous moment in the whole race! :lol:

Ed24 · Post by **Ed24** » 05 Oct 2014, 06:11

Ericsson has put forward a very good case, but think I have to go with Honda, as officially it is their call to time the race not the FIA or Bernie's.

Post by **Londoner** » 05 Oct 2014, 06:11

Gotta be Honda. Literally no other choice.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 05 Oct 2014, 06:16

Race control: F1 can't race in wet conditions for girly reasons. It is the same condition of 1994 race and another races like spa in 1998 season and Fuji in 2007 season. It's a disrespect with the fans in the circuit and with the fans that are waiting for the race.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 05 Oct 2014, 06:18

Dj_bereta wrote:Race control: F1 can't race in wet conditions for girly reasons.

Yes, because not wanting 22 cars to crash on the first green flag lap because of aquaplaning and complete lack of visibility is a 'girly' reason. Right. :roll:

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 05 Oct 2014, 06:20

Salamander wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:Race control: F1 can't race in wet conditions for girly reasons.
Yes, because not wanting 22 cars to crash on the first green flag lap because of aquaplaning and complete lack of visibility is a 'girly' reason. Right.

Also Vettel did say he was aquaplaning at 80 kph.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 05 Oct 2014, 06:25

Salamander wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:Race control: F1 can't race in wet conditions for girly reasons.

Yes, because not wanting 22 cars to crash on the first green flag lap because of aquaplaning and complete lack of visibility is a 'girly' reason. Right.

F1 had races in similar conditions in the past most notable Fuji in 2007 season. So, why not now? The safety improved also.

Rocks with Salt · Post by **Rocks with Salt** » 05 Oct 2014, 06:27

Well... that was interesting... and we haven't even gone racing yet!

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 05 Oct 2014, 06:29

Dj_bereta wrote:
Salamander wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:Race control: F1 can't race in wet conditions for girly reasons.

Yes, because not wanting 22 cars to crash on the first green flag lap because of aquaplaning and complete lack of visibility is a 'girly' reason. Right.

F1 had races in similar conditions in the past most notable Fuji in 2007 season. So, why not now? The safety improved also.

Do you not remember Fuji 2007? When they spent the first half of the race under the safety car? And in 1994, Martin Brundle hit and injured a marshal because of aquaplaning. It's no joke, the FIA is absolutely right to be this careful in holding the race.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 05 Oct 2014, 06:40

Charlie Whiting: Never should have red flagged the race. If you have rain tires, put them to use, or just scrap all of them.

Post by **Londoner** » 05 Oct 2014, 06:41

Charlie Whiting - You have drivers telling you the conditions are good to go, it's nearly good for inters. Bring the sodding SC in!

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 05 Oct 2014, 06:43

East Londoner wrote:Bring the sodding SC in!

You have your wish.

TheBigJ · Post by **TheBigJ** » 05 Oct 2014, 07:15

Ferrari are staking a claim for this award.

EDIT : Honda take the cake for ruining the race.

Ed24 · Post by **Ed24** » 05 Oct 2014, 07:39

Now that we're going to get a full points race must say us for nominating Honda too early! Perhaps Typhoon Phanfone could be the new nomination for causing so much trouble and yet ending up being an anticlimax during the race!

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 05 Oct 2014, 08:02

Changing my nomination to Ferrari. Since Alonso's retirement they've been the most anonymous team in the race.

AxelP800 · Post by **AxelP800** » 05 Oct 2014, 08:07

With the current finger-crossed situation, no ROTR will be awarded

Post by **Miguel98** » 05 Oct 2014, 09:09

Honda.

nigellamansell · Post by **nigellamansell** » 05 Oct 2014, 09:21

Definitely Honda. If they put spectacle/audience/profit above safety concerns then they have a lot of questions to answer.

pablo_h · Post by **pablo_h** » 05 Oct 2014, 09:36

Track management/honda. No idea why it was a 3pm start in the first place (I don't mean changing the race time yesterday - I mean why it was originally scheduled so late in the day when it gets dark early, especially on a wet day)

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 05 Oct 2014, 09:46

pablo_h wrote:Track management/honda. No idea why it was a 3pm start in the first place (I don't mean changing the race time yesterday - I mean why it was originally scheduled so late in the day when it gets dark early, especially on a wet day)

It was scheduled then so as to be watchable for Europe. At least, I believe that is the idea.

pablo_h · Post by **pablo_h** » 05 Oct 2014, 09:57

Yeah I know that, but qual is an hour earlier so can't be that important.

Post by **mario** » 05 Oct 2014, 10:01

Salamander wrote:
pablo_h wrote:Track management/honda. No idea why it was a 3pm start in the first place (I don't mean changing the race time yesterday - I mean why it was originally scheduled so late in the day when it gets dark early, especially on a wet day)

It was scheduled then so as to be watchable for Europe. At least, I believe that is the idea.

On the BBC's coverage, they stated that Whiting had asked if the race could be moved forward from a 3pm start to 11am because of the weather risk, only to be instructed that this could cause issues with the local infrastructure - so, at the very least, it does seem as if there was some effort from the FIA to have the race rescheduled.

TheFlyingCaterham · Post by **TheFlyingCaterham** » 05 Oct 2014, 10:15

I will post my ROTR nominations when there is more news on Bianchi's condition

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 05 Oct 2014, 10:16

mario wrote:
Salamander wrote:
pablo_h wrote:Track management/honda. No idea why it was a 3pm start in the first place (I don't mean changing the race time yesterday - I mean why it was originally scheduled so late in the day when it gets dark early, especially on a wet day)

It was scheduled then so as to be watchable for Europe. At least, I believe that is the idea.

On the BBC's coverage, they stated that Whiting had asked if the race could be moved forward from a 3pm start to 11am because of the weather risk, only to be instructed that this could cause issues with the local infrastructure - so, at the very least, it does seem as if there was some effort from the FIA to have the race rescheduled.

Yeah, but we were talking about why it was originally scheduled at that time.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 05 Oct 2014, 10:16

TheFlyingCaterham wrote:I will post my ROTR nominations when there is more news on Bianchi's condition

Ditto.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 05 Oct 2014, 10:42

I'm tempted to give it to humanity. Times like these show the worst side of humanity rear its ugly head - people desperately seeking attention, by spreading nonsense about a man whose life is in danger. People setting up 'RIP' tribute pages, using images of not only the actual crash, but his crash last year as click-bait....disgusting. Those who attempted to profit from the situation in some form, whether monetarily or in notoriety. There are some horrible, horrible people on this earth.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 05 Oct 2014, 11:23

Whatever the outcome of Bianchi's crash, to me the ROTR is clearly one: FERRARI, no need for explanation here.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 05 Oct 2014, 11:33

Whoever was that dickwad that still dared to boo during the podium ceremony despite the grim situation.

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 05 Oct 2014, 11:57

For the first 44 laps my ROTR was Charlie Whiting.
If the weather is good enough for Inters, then what the bathplug is the SC still doing out????

Then Bianchi happened and... Welp. No nomination from me.

Fetzie · Post by **Fetzie** » 05 Oct 2014, 11:59

Either Ferrari for demonstrating once again why Alonso wants to leave, or Charlie Whiting for not bringing the SC out on Lap ~39 when drivers were saying that the track was in a worse condition than at the start of the race.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 05 Oct 2014, 13:40

How much better was the weather between 1 pm and 3 pm local time? If the weather was better, then we would have had more racing and safer racing. If not, we may at least have had a tad more light at he end of the race: Sutil suggests that fading light was a factor in Bianchi's unfortunate incident. Whatever, the race should have been scheduled for 1 pm as it was in the 1980s and 1990s.

As an aside, if the start time was put back for European audiences, that demonstrates that that is where F1's heartland is and there ought to be a smaller emphasis on flyaways races (say, back to 1990s levels). Otherwise, if F1 is not to be considered to have a European heartland, don't pander to it. Don't try to have it both ways.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 05 Oct 2014, 13:48

dr-baker wrote:How much better was the weather between 1 pm and 3 pm local time? If the weather was better, then we would have had more racing and safer racing. If not, we may at least have had a tad more light at he end of the race: Sutil suggests that fading light was a factor in Bianchi's unfortunate incident. Whatever, the race should have been scheduled for 1 pm as it was in the 1980s and 1990s.

As an aside, if the start time was put back for European audiences, that demonstrates that that is where F1's heartland is and there ought to be a smaller emphasis on flyaways races (say, back to 1990s levels). Otherwise, if F1 is not to be considered to have a European heartland, don't pander to it. Don't try to have it both ways.

The thing is though, FOM are only scheduling race times this way so they can maximize TV revenue. They don't care the slightest bit about a European heartland.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 05 Oct 2014, 14:06

Simtek wrote:
dr-baker wrote:How much better was the weather between 1 pm and 3 pm local time? If the weather was better, then we would have had more racing and safer racing. If not, we may at least have had a tad more light at he end of the race: Sutil suggests that fading light was a factor in Bianchi's unfortunate incident. Whatever, the race should have been scheduled for 1 pm as it was in the 1980s and 1990s.

As an aside, if the start time was put back for European audiences, that demonstrates that that is where F1's heartland is and there ought to be a smaller emphasis on flyaways races (say, back to 1990s levels). Otherwise, if F1 is not to be considered to have a European heartland, don't pander to it. Don't try to have it both ways.

The thing is though, FOM are only scheduling race times this way so they can maximize TV revenue. They don't care the slightest bit about a European heartland.

Well, this incident has highlighted the flaw in that plan then. And why does having that start time maximise profits if not to suit the European audience? Screw them. Safety first.

solarcold · Post by **solarcold** » 05 Oct 2014, 14:09

Honda be it.

DHM to people complaining about drivers complaining.
Today's wet tires producs much more vapor. Therefore, the visibility in the rainy conditions decreases. What was "fine to race" before is not fine anymore.