F1 Rejects - The Definitive Collection

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 19 Sep 2010, 17:08

James1978 wrote:I couldn't stop laughing at the fact that the Wikipedia page for HWNSNBM mentions this site!

I will be more impressed the day they redirect his page to HWNSNBM.

They could also give a error page for his name, with the text: "let's hope you meant HWNSNBM" and a link to his article.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 19 Sep 2010, 19:01

Ferrim wrote:
James1978 wrote:I couldn't stop laughing at the fact that the Wikipedia page for HWNSNBM mentions this site!

I will be more impressed the day they redirect his page to HWNSNBM.

They could also give a error page for his name, with the text: "let's hope you meant HWNSNBM" and a link to his article.

We can only dream of the day.

Viresh · Post by **Viresh** » 24 Sep 2010, 13:19

Awesome list you get every information on it good work.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 25 Sep 2010, 11:20

Force India spam!?

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 25 Sep 2010, 12:08

kostas22 wrote::o Force India spam!?

Worse still...
Indian hackers?

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 25 Sep 2010, 15:13

Phoenix wrote:
kostas22 wrote::o Force India spam!?

Worse still...
Indian hackers?

Not entirely sure... got in touch with the chap in the meantime.

RA107 · Post by **RA107** » 14 Nov 2010, 23:42

Vitaly Petrov can be removed now.

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 02 Jun 2011, 14:51

Since September 19, 2010 (last time shinji updated the list) the following drivers have scaped rejectdom:

Vitaly Petrov
Kamui Kobayashi (hurrah!)

But the following ones have entered reject heaven:
Sergio Pérez
Paul di Resta
Jérôme D'Ambrosio
Pastor Maldonado

Post by **mario** » 02 Jun 2011, 15:19

Waris wrote:
watka wrote:Masahiro Hasemi got a fastest lap in his only F1 race.

The other day I read an article about the history of the Japanese Grand Prix, and dude, I honestly believe Masahiro Hasemi could've been an epic F1 driver if he would've continued after that race.

Sorry to pick up on this point quite a long time after it was posted, but isn't it now thought that Masahiro Hasemi was wrongly accredited with the fastest lap, and that in fact the fastest lap of the race was set by Laffite (a 1m 19.97)? At the very least, that is according to the Japanese Automobile Federation, who were in charge of the race at the time.
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate ... _id%3D2939

I have to agree, though, you do wonder what Masahiro could ahve achieved if he really had pursued a career in F1 - he did, after all, win a non championship race at Fuji in 1975, using a March chassis (it was standard practise to hold a non championship race the previous year to demonstrate that a circuit was fit to join the calendar the following year).
Similarly, though, you must wonder what his team, Kojima engineering, could have achieved if they had been prepared to enter other races during the 1976 season - he might have been quick, but so was the car, and you wonder what it might have been capable of.

On a related note, what about Kazuyoshi Hoshino, his compatriot? He drove a privately entered Tyrrell 007, and despite qualifying in just 21st place, was briefly as high as 3rd place after the first 10 laps - only to fall back and retire since he had worn out all of his wet weather tyres. And to back up the point about Kojima, he drove an updated version of their 1976 car in the 1977 race to 11th place (having also qualified in 11th) - he was pretty talented (being a champion Japanese F2 and motorcycle racer), but the car probably wasn't too shabby either (he could qualify within a few tenths of the works Ferrari team, for example).

ibsey · Post by **ibsey** » 02 Jun 2011, 17:13

Does anyone know if their any corners on either current or previous GP's tracks which are named after an F1 reject?

If their are a few, perhaps we could do a list on this as well?

The only one I can think of ATM is Hobbs corner complex in Adia, Japan. Which is named after David Hobbs (I believe each corner on that track was named after a driver whom took part in the first ever race at Adia, hence a Moss corner, etc).

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 02 Jun 2011, 22:18

mario wrote:
Waris wrote:
watka wrote:Masahiro Hasemi got a fastest lap in his only F1 race.

The other day I read an article about the history of the Japanese Grand Prix, and dude, I honestly believe Masahiro Hasemi could've been an epic F1 driver if he would've continued after that race.

Sorry to pick up on this point quite a long time after it was posted, but isn't it now thought that Masahiro Hasemi was wrongly accredited with the fastest lap, and that in fact the fastest lap of the race was set by Laffite (a 1m 19.97)? At the very least, that is according to the Japanese Automobile Federation, who were in charge of the race at the time.
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate ... _id%3D2939

I have to agree, though, you do wonder what Masahiro could ahve achieved if he really had pursued a career in F1 - he did, after all, win a non championship race at Fuji in 1975, using a March chassis (it was standard practise to hold a non championship race the previous year to demonstrate that a circuit was fit to join the calendar the following year).
Similarly, though, you must wonder what his team, Kojima engineering, could have achieved if they had been prepared to enter other races during the 1976 season - he might have been quick, but so was the car, and you wonder what it might have been capable of.

On a related note, what about Kazuyoshi Hoshino, his compatriot? He drove a privately entered Tyrrell 007, and despite qualifying in just 21st place, was briefly as high as 3rd place after the first 10 laps - only to fall back and retire since he had worn out all of his wet weather tyres. And to back up the point about Kojima, he drove an updated version of their 1976 car in the 1977 race to 11th place (having also qualified in 11th) - he was pretty talented (being a champion Japanese F2 and motorcycle racer), but the car probably wasn't too shabby either (he could qualify within a few tenths of the works Ferrari team, for example).

Interestingly, Stats F1 still lists Hasemi as the fastest lap record holder for that GP. However, Kojima is a huge question mark. You could as well say both the team and Masahiro Hasemi performed well because of local knowledge, and I've also read reports that said the then unknown Bridgestone tyres the team was using performed really well that day (though they worn out too badly, pity).

Oh, and they seemed to have a car for 1979 too. Looks rather like a Ferrari 312T3, and it'd have been outdated by the looks of it, but we'll never know.

The car was supposed to be raced by Gianfranco Brancatelli, and even Keke Rosberg tested the car at Fuji.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 02 Jun 2011, 22:22

Phoenix wrote:Oh, and they seemed to have a car for 1979 too. Looks rather like a Ferrari 312T3, and it'd have been outdated by the looks of it, but we'll never know.

The car was supposed to be raced by Gianfranco Brancatelli, and even Keke Rosberg tested the car at Fuji.

that car was actually run by the great willy kauhsen, he also planned kojima's as a replacement for his F2 cars.

Meatwad · Post by **Meatwad** » 19 Sep 2012, 19:05

The following drivers have been unrejectified after the last update:
Grosjean
Hülkenberg
Maldonado
Pérez

New drivers for the list:
Pic
Ricciardo
Vergne

"New" teams for the list:
Caterham
Marussia

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 08 Dec 2014, 08:41

watka · Post by **watka** » 09 Dec 2014, 00:09

Shame that Shorty Templeman didn't start any races aside from the Indy 500.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 09 Dec 2014, 13:12

watka wrote:Shame that Shorty Templeman didn't start any races aside from the Indy 500.

If the Indy 500 had continued as a World Championship round for just one more year, into 1961, he would have been unrejectified!

LolLola · Post by **LolLola** » 09 Dec 2014, 13:14

Thoughts to the Simtek's list:
You said that Larrousse is a reject. But a look at wiki they scored 11 points in 1990 alone

golic_2004 · Post by **golic_2004** » 09 Dec 2014, 13:15

Since AJ Foyt and Eddie Sachs are included on the list, as they drove the Indianapolis 500s, I might as well include

Marvin Burke: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Burke (note: the only driver to win a NASCAR race in his first and ONLY race)

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 09 Dec 2014, 13:33

LolLola wrote:Thoughts to the Simtek's list:
You said that Larrousse is a reject. But a look at wiki they scored 11 points in 1990 alone

That was with a Lola chassis. I'm considering Larrousse based on the time in which they built their own chassis (1993-94), when they scored just 5 points.

golic_2004 wrote:Since AJ Foyt and Eddie Sachs are included on the list, as they drove the Indianapolis 500s, I might as well include

Marvin Burke: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Burke (note: the only driver to win a NASCAR race in his first and ONLY race)

At the moment I'm adding all drivers who DNQ'd at Indy, who for some reason are omitted from Wikipedia's list of F1 drivers, as well as drivers who were entered for a race, but never took part for some reason, another point where Wikipedia is inconsistent as, for example, Peter Monteverdi is on their list of F1 drivers, but Jorge de Bagration (who is profiled on this site) isn't.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 09 Dec 2014, 16:04

The list has been updated to include drivers who entered the Indy 500 in its world championship years and failed to qualify, as well as other drivers who were entered for a Grand Prix, but never raced for some reason (like Jorge de Bagration). All drivers were taken from Stats F1. I omitted Friday practice drivers and substitute drivers from the early 1950s (like Gianbattista Guidotti).

Now, a question: Should the list include all constructors that failed to score more than 6 points (under pre-2003 systems) or should I omit constructors that didn't enter more than one race (for example McGuire). The site says for a team to be included it must have attempted to qualify for at least two Grands Prix, yet MasterCard Lola is profiled and on the list. :?:

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 09 Dec 2014, 16:31

Simtek wrote:The site says for a team to be included it must have attempted to qualify for at least two Grands Prix, yet MasterCard Lola is profiled and on the list.

I assume the reason for their inclusion is because they actually had the cars in Brazil for the next round, and I therefore assume the cars and team were entered and went through scrutineering, therefore counted as being a race entry.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 09 Dec 2014, 18:00

dr-baker wrote:
Simtek wrote:The site says for a team to be included it must have attempted to qualify for at least two Grands Prix, yet MasterCard Lola is profiled and on the list.

I assume the reason for their inclusion is because they actually had the cars in Brazil for the next round, and I therefore assume the cars and team were entered and went through scrutineering, therefore counted as being a race entry.

Thank you for clarifying. The list has been updated with the following constructors omitted: AFM (only one works entry), Alta (all entries were private), Arzani-Volpini, Cisitalia, De Klerk (it was an Alfa Romeo), Derrington-Francis, EMW, ENB, Ferguson, Fry, Greifzu (it was a private entry), Klenk, Kurtis Kraft, McGuire, Milano, OSCA (only one works entry), Stebro, Tec Mec and Veritas (all entries were private).

I also added Berta, the Jorge de Bagration of teams. They were on the original entry list for the two South American rounds in 1975, (which could arguably warrant their inclusion) but the FIA conveniently "forgot" about them. I think it would make a great profile. :lol:

SuzukiSwift · Post by **SuzukiSwift** » 09 Dec 2014, 21:26

mario wrote:
Waris wrote:
watka wrote:Masahiro Hasemi got a fastest lap in his only F1 race.

The other day I read an article about the history of the Japanese Grand Prix, and dude, I honestly believe Masahiro Hasemi could've been an epic F1 driver if he would've continued after that race.

Sorry to pick up on this point quite a long time after it was posted, but isn't it now thought that Masahiro Hasemi was wrongly accredited with the fastest lap, and that in fact the fastest lap of the race was set by Laffite (a 1m 19.97)? At the very least, that is according to the Japanese Automobile Federation, who were in charge of the race at the time.
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate ... _id%3D2939

I have to agree, though, you do wonder what Masahiro could ahve achieved if he really had pursued a career in F1 - he did, after all, win a non championship race at Fuji in 1975, using a March chassis (it was standard practise to hold a non championship race the previous year to demonstrate that a circuit was fit to join the calendar the following year).
Similarly, though, you must wonder what his team, Kojima engineering, could have achieved if they had been prepared to enter other races during the 1976 season - he might have been quick, but so was the car, and you wonder what it might have been capable of.

On a related note, what about Kazuyoshi Hoshino, his compatriot? He drove a privately entered Tyrrell 007, and despite qualifying in just 21st place, was briefly as high as 3rd place after the first 10 laps - only to fall back and retire since he had worn out all of his wet weather tyres. And to back up the point about Kojima, he drove an updated version of their 1976 car in the 1977 race to 11th place (having also qualified in 11th) - he was pretty talented (being a champion Japanese F2 and motorcycle racer), but the car probably wasn't too shabby either (he could qualify within a few tenths of the works Ferrari team, for example).

Keep in mind too that Hasemi was already 31 when the first Japanese GP took place, and I'm not sure if he had sufficient backing a la Nakajima.

SuzukiSwift · Post by **SuzukiSwift** » 09 Dec 2014, 21:30

I also think Naoki Hattori kinda deserved a better shot at F1.

Julien · Post by **Julien** » 15 Dec 2014, 20:08

Simtek wrote:That was with a Lola chassis. I'm considering Larrousse based on the time in which they built their own chassis (1993-94), when they scored just 5 points.

Then why do you include Ecuire Naationale Belge? They weren't even a constructor...

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 15 Dec 2014, 20:13

Julien wrote:
Simtek wrote:That was with a Lola chassis. I'm considering Larrousse based on the time in which they built their own chassis (1993-94), when they scored just 5 points.

Then why do you include Ecuire Naationale Belge? They weren't even a constructor...

They entered a car built by themselves for the 1962 German GP.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 15 Dec 2014, 21:55

pi314159 wrote:
Julien wrote:
Simtek wrote:That was with a Lola chassis. I'm considering Larrousse based on the time in which they built their own chassis (1993-94), when they scored just 5 points.

Then why do you include Ecuire Naationale Belge? They weren't even a constructor...

They entered a car built by themselves for the 1962 German GP.

That's strange, I thought I removed them from the list for not entering two races with that car... List edited!

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 02 Jul 2015, 12:41

Just looking through that list of reject drivers - Alex Rossi has not as yet done enough to be a reject driver. Has he?

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 02 Jul 2015, 12:50

dr-baker wrote:Just looking through that list of reject drivers - Alex Rossi has not as yet done enough to be a reject driver. Has he?

My reasoning behind adding him was that if Jorge de Bagration was eligible, then so should other drivers who were entered for a Grand Prix without so much as taking part in qualifying (or even practice in the case of some others in the list). It is one of those cases where it's hard to draw the line. With teams it's easy as they have to have attempted to qualify for at least two races, but drivers don't seem to have that sort of criterion.

Post by **tommykl** » 02 Jul 2015, 20:11

Simtek wrote:
dr-baker wrote:Just looking through that list of reject drivers - Alex Rossi has not as yet done enough to be a reject driver. Has he?

My reasoning behind adding him was that if Jorge de Bagration was eligible, then so should other drivers who were entered for a Grand Prix without so much as taking part in qualifying (or even practice in the case of some others in the list). It is one of those cases where it's hard to draw the line. With teams it's easy as they have to have attempted to qualify for at least two races, but drivers don't seem to have that sort of criterion.

Well, Alex Rossi is less a case of Jorge de Bagration and more one of Masami Kuwashima. Both were meant to be qualifying and eventually racing, but both lost their drives after they'd done some practice sessions. So in my opinion, Alex Rossi has done enough to be considered, at least.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 02 Jul 2015, 20:15

tommykl wrote:
Simtek wrote:
dr-baker wrote:Just looking through that list of reject drivers - Alex Rossi has not as yet done enough to be a reject driver. Has he?

My reasoning behind adding him was that if Jorge de Bagration was eligible, then so should other drivers who were entered for a Grand Prix without so much as taking part in qualifying (or even practice in the case of some others in the list). It is one of those cases where it's hard to draw the line. With teams it's easy as they have to have attempted to qualify for at least two races, but drivers don't seem to have that sort of criterion.

Well, Alex Rossi is less a case of Jorge de Bagration and more one of Masami Kuwashima. Both were meant to be qualifying and eventually racing, but both lost their drives after they'd done some practice sessions. So in my opinion, Alex Rossi has done enough to be considered, at least.

Yep, Much like Kuwashima, Rossi was officially confirmed as Marussia's race driver for the weekend right until Max Chilton's dad found his wallet... erm, some contractual disputes were cleared.

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 16 Jul 2015, 20:37

Don't forget Rossi was also entered to drive alongside Chilton in place of the unfortunate Bianchi at the Russian Grand Prix, before Marussia decided to run one care only.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 16 Jul 2015, 21:39

Waris wrote:Don't forget Rossi was also entered to drive alongside Chilton in place of the unfortunate Bianchi at the Russian Grand Prix, before Marussia decided to run one care only.

I know they said they only ran the one car out of respect, but I've always wondered whether it was a financial decision as well (not enough parts maybe) because it was the last race we saw them at that year.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 27 Jul 2015, 20:44

Could Jules Bianchi now be removed from this list (as Roland Ratzenberger would have been in 1994)?

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 27 Jul 2015, 21:48

dr-baker wrote:Could Jules Bianchi now be removed from this list (as Roland Ratzenberger would have been in 1994)?

Yes, I forgot drivers killed in accidents aren't counted as rejects. Jules has been removed.

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